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They should be reducing the Soc Sec age to 50 for retirement. No jobs and G Will wants it at 74. (Original Post) CK_John Apr 2012 OP
I agree! n/t ProfessionalLeftist Apr 2012 #1
I won't be able to push a wheelchair or lift someone HockeyMom Apr 2012 #2
50 is a bit young. I would shoot for 55. Dawgs Apr 2012 #3
lets talk reality. the chances of the age being reduce is zero rdking647 Apr 2012 #13
Age 74 for SS is ridiculous but so would 50. former9thward Apr 2012 #4
National money is just a concept. Just an accounting game that means nothing as long CK_John Apr 2012 #9
the ss age should be raised rdking647 Apr 2012 #5
I've seen people who have Worried senior Apr 2012 #8
SS is not meant to be your only retirement income rdking647 Apr 2012 #12
What are you saying? RebelOne Apr 2012 #31
No, it's not, but it often is anyway. TheWraith Apr 2012 #34
More than that I see people health at 55 Johonny Apr 2012 #28
Sounds like trust fund baby rhetoric. Lars39 Apr 2012 #10
But technology has eliminated the need for so many workers. ieoeja Apr 2012 #16
Work 'til you drop. Literally. marmar Apr 2012 #6
50 is too young. HappyMe Apr 2012 #7
You can take SocSec at 62 now, but....you take a 20% hit I would ajust that CK_John Apr 2012 #11
not going to happen rdking647 Apr 2012 #14
You will see it within 5yrs. The jobs are never coming back in the numbers CK_John Apr 2012 #15
thats nothing more than fear mongering rdking647 Apr 2012 #17
Even Mitt may steal this idea. Just watch, I hope you are young enough to CK_John Apr 2012 #18
That's not going to happen. HappyMe Apr 2012 #20
News flash! If you're not yet 65, then you're in the age group Lydia Leftcoast Apr 2012 #29
Since when has the age been raised? RebelOne Apr 2012 #32
For people born after 1946 it's 66 Lydia Leftcoast Apr 2012 #33
We need to do something. raouldukelives Apr 2012 #19
Hear hear!! guitar man Apr 2012 #21
Fuck work and "Productivity" hunter Apr 2012 #22
With more free time and more money to spend The2ndWheel Apr 2012 #23
I didn't say I'd buy you airline tickets or a car. hunter Apr 2012 #25
In terms of destroying the natural environment The2ndWheel Apr 2012 #26
Making life without cars possible, restoring wetlands, that kind of thing... hunter Apr 2012 #42
You know that everyone in Norway gets 4 weeks paid vacation by law? Lydia Leftcoast Apr 2012 #30
Their only answer: more, more, more. n/t Orsino Apr 2012 #24
let us out at 60 onethatcares Apr 2012 #27
Too young. GoCubsGo Apr 2012 #35
Sadly the jobs are never going to come. We don't need as many jobs and CK_John Apr 2012 #36
65 still seems right as retirement age. My Dad just retired and he is Jennicut Apr 2012 #37
Great age to try those things we have been dreaming about since 30. Take a sabbatical CK_John Apr 2012 #39
My Dad is really, really happy right now. Jennicut May 2012 #43
For me, I want to keep working well past 50 if I'm physically able... cynatnite Apr 2012 #38
50 would be a good time to run for Congress. nt CK_John Apr 2012 #41
Remove the FICA taxation limit on incomes and give full benefits for retirement at 62. roamer65 Apr 2012 #40
 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
2. I won't be able to push a wheelchair or lift someone
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 10:22 AM
Apr 2012

when I need those things myself. Yep, we all work in an office.

 

Dawgs

(14,755 posts)
3. 50 is a bit young. I would shoot for 55.
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 10:39 AM
Apr 2012

You give every person a reason (SS, Medicare, etc.) to retire at 55 and many would leave the workforce to open up jobs for others.

former9thward

(32,082 posts)
4. Age 74 for SS is ridiculous but so would 50.
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 10:39 AM
Apr 2012

Our economy could not afford that. I would like to see 62 as a SS age but I also favor mandatory requirement to open up jobs for younger workers.

CK_John

(10,005 posts)
9. National money is just a concept. Just an accounting game that means nothing as long
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 10:51 AM
Apr 2012

as our country can kick other countries asses. Countries still owe us from WWI loans.

We can afford anything the public wants and better SocSec at 50 than a state unemployment stippen as currently being paid. This would put the kids to work and let older 50's to try new things.

IMO it would be the biggest jobs plan since the TVA.

 

rdking647

(5,113 posts)
5. the ss age should be raised
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 10:43 AM
Apr 2012

life expectancy has increased since ss was started. your average 65 year old today is in a lot better shape trhan a 65 yr old back i nthe 30's.

the age should be raised to at least 72,but on a phased in scale so people nearing retirement age today dont have to worry about it

Worried senior

(1,328 posts)
8. I've seen people who have
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 10:49 AM
Apr 2012

had a very hard, physical job that have all they can do to walk. How does anyone expect them to keep going into their 70's. Are they going to be re-trained for the jobs that aren't available?

Kids just out of college can't get work, keeping people working that many more years will make the situation worse.

 

rdking647

(5,113 posts)
12. SS is not meant to be your only retirement income
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 11:01 AM
Apr 2012

keeping the age at 65 make no economic sense. we cant afford it .

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
31. What are you saying?
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 06:44 PM
Apr 2012

I collect social security and that is my only income. I have some savings from my 401K, but I am not going to touch it because it will have to last me for the rest of my life.

TheWraith

(24,331 posts)
34. No, it's not, but it often is anyway.
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 07:37 PM
Apr 2012

I agree with your post upthread, that lowering the SS age is completely unrealistic. Let's be just as realistic here--for a lot of people, particularly during and after an economic downturn like this, Social Security is going to be the only guaranteed retirement income.

Johonny

(20,889 posts)
28. More than that I see people health at 55
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 06:29 PM
Apr 2012

given early retirement and kicked out of work. Go find a job equivalent in pay to what you had at the age of 55 or higher.

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
16. But technology has eliminated the need for so many workers.
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 11:10 AM
Apr 2012

It no longer requires as many people working as long to produce everything everyone wants.

We should be retiring earlier. Or working fewer hours. For instance, labor unions suggested a 6 hour day thus adding a 4th shift to around-the-clock shops during the Great Depression.


CK_John

(10,005 posts)
11. You can take SocSec at 62 now, but....you take a 20% hit I would ajust that
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 10:57 AM
Apr 2012

to 10% at 50, 5% at 60.

CK_John

(10,005 posts)
15. You will see it within 5yrs. The jobs are never coming back in the numbers
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 11:09 AM
Apr 2012

needed for the size of the population. It either civil unrest or SocSec.


Also an eMail to your congress criter would help. Tell them they can be a national name overnight if they introduce this bill in the House.

Sort of like the first perp to talk gets a deal (too much TV).

 

rdking647

(5,113 posts)
17. thats nothing more than fear mongering
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 11:11 AM
Apr 2012

the retirement age will never be lowered. thinking otherwise is just a fantasy

Lydia Leftcoast

(48,217 posts)
29. News flash! If you're not yet 65, then you're in the age group
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 06:39 PM
Apr 2012

that can't get full benefits till 66 or 67.

The age for full benefits has already been raised.

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
32. Since when has the age been raised?
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 06:48 PM
Apr 2012

I am not worried because I have been collecting SS since I turned 65, which was 8 years ago.

Lydia Leftcoast

(48,217 posts)
33. For people born after 1946 it's 66
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 07:30 PM
Apr 2012

and for people born some time later (I forget exactly when--early 1960s, maybe?) it's 67.

I'm in the group that has to wait till 66.

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
19. We need to do something.
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 11:37 AM
Apr 2012

What we are doing now is unsustainable. We literally have people driving two hours a day to push digital dots around a computer screen. Creating absolutely nothing of value and only contributing to destroying the climate with the increase in carbon emissions.
We are going to have to figure out a way to provide for the least among us while ensuring we don't create more pollution for our offspring than they can handle. Were literally at the point where it may be already too late and most people could care less. Even avowed progressive liberals are to frightened to act. To make sacrifices for the betterment of all the earths creatures. We need to figure out a way to take care of people without causing even more irreparable damage to our world.
Either that or climate change isn't real and were good to go. Keep on keeping on!

guitar man

(15,996 posts)
21. Hear hear!!
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 12:08 PM
Apr 2012

I'm 48, came out of high school in '82 and I'm bone weary from struggling to stay out of poverty over 3 decades of Reaganomics.

I've worked at least 2 lifetimes already... years and years of 12-16 hour days

hunter

(38,328 posts)
22. Fuck work and "Productivity"
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 12:10 PM
Apr 2012

We are destroying the natural environment that supports us.

We can ease up now by implementing earlier retirement ages, shorter work weeks, free education, generous welfare benifits, etc... and bring this doomed airplane down as gently as possible.

Or we can corkscrew into the ground at 500 miles per hour engines full throttle.

The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
23. With more free time and more money to spend
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 12:16 PM
Apr 2012

why would the plane be brought down gently? Vacations for all!

hunter

(38,328 posts)
25. I didn't say I'd buy you airline tickets or a car.
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 03:25 PM
Apr 2012

But you might live in a community where you don't need a car, you wouldn't have to worry about medical bills, and you'd have no fear of homelessness or hunger if you lost your job.

I think generous retirement benefits, welfare, public works projects, and public education should compete directly with shitty employers. Any Wal-Mart greeter ought to be able to say, fuck this, I'm retired. Any kid working for an evil boss in a fast food place ought to be able to say, fuck this, I'm going back to school. Any person feeling trapped in a cubicle with a phone, a computer terminal, and impossible deadlines, ought to be able to say, fuck this, I'm going to join a trail crew at a National Park. A person working in a warehouse, picking lettuce or strawberries, any labor that wears a body out, ought to be paid well when they are young and strong, and have the ability to walk away and do something else when their joints start to scream.

Our consumer economy is going to die whatever we do. Our humanity doesn't have to die with it. The U.S.A is rapidly becoming a plutocracy. It doesn't have to be that way.

The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
26. In terms of destroying the natural environment
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 05:51 PM
Apr 2012

public works projects would rank right up there in implementing that destruction.

hunter

(38,328 posts)
42. Making life without cars possible, restoring wetlands, that kind of thing...
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 09:19 PM
Apr 2012

... in other words abandoning our high cost, fossil fueled, high energy consumer society.

It will happen one way or another. It would be nice if we could control the process, so it's just not stuff falling apart and being abandoned in a haphazard way as hungry people mill around looking for work.



Lydia Leftcoast

(48,217 posts)
30. You know that everyone in Norway gets 4 weeks paid vacation by law?
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 06:42 PM
Apr 2012

If you're a government worker, you get 5 weeks.

If you're over 60, you get another week on top of whatever your base vacation period is. My American friend, who has lived in Norway since age 23, does IT work for the Norwegian government, just turned 60, and now gets 6 weeks of paid vacation.

P.S. They pay for their own plane tickets and hotels.

onethatcares

(16,186 posts)
27. let us out at 60
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 06:13 PM
Apr 2012

jeez, for the past 45 years I've been in the building trades, roofing, cement work, stucco, carpentry, and the rest of the things that make a house come together as a home for someone.

I'm freaking tired and at 61 I don't really want to lift anymore plywood, or build anymore stairs.

If I keep on I'll probably get hurt and then after the workers comp runs out, I'll be shuffled out the door due to
not being able to perform my job as it should be done.

It's not like I can just shuffle paper.

GoCubsGo

(32,094 posts)
35. Too young.
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 07:43 PM
Apr 2012

I'm 51, and I am nowhere near ready to retire. Instead of forcing middle age people to retire when they get laid off, there should be a more long-term version of unemployment that lets them live decently until another job comes up. Many of the European countries, such as Germany, have such a system. It keeps people from becoming destitute, and it also keeps money pumped into the economy.

CK_John

(10,005 posts)
36. Sadly the jobs are never going to come. We don't need as many jobs and
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 07:55 PM
Apr 2012

the kids are passing us by. No mainline corporation will let a middle manage and up get past 55. Remember that SocSec is based on 3 lastest yr for benefits , layed off = low pay for the rest of life.

Europe is much smallerand lower birth rate and school systems geared toward tech.

Jennicut

(25,415 posts)
37. 65 still seems right as retirement age. My Dad just retired and he is
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 08:07 PM
Apr 2012

64. He took an early payout from AT&T. It seemed to be the right time. Young enough to enjoy retirement, old enough to know that it is time. The seventies are way too high for many people. My parents have a friend still working at 73 and his body is breaking down and paying a price. 50 is WAY too young. 50 somethings are there to provide experience and advice for younger workers. We need them in the work force. 49 as being one year away from retirement? Too young.

CK_John

(10,005 posts)
39. Great age to try those things we have been dreaming about since 30. Take a sabbatical
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 08:23 PM
Apr 2012

then go for it.

Jennicut

(25,415 posts)
43. My Dad is really, really happy right now.
Tue May 1, 2012, 08:37 AM
May 2012

He is in very good health and looks much younger then 64. Lots of people came up to him at work and couldn't believe he was old enough to retire. He had a good laugh out of that. He can spend lots of time with my two daughters who are 6 and 7. And lots of time with my Mom.

cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
38. For me, I want to keep working well past 50 if I'm physically able...
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 08:11 PM
Apr 2012

65 seems to be a right age unless your health prevents it.

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