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davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 02:33 AM Feb 2015

Guardian: Chicago police dept detains Americans at a "black site" for interrogation

The Chicago police department operates an off-the-books interrogation compound, rendering Americans unable to be found by family or attorneys while locked inside what lawyers say is the domestic equivalent of a CIA black site.

The facility, a nondescript warehouse on Chicago’s west side known as Homan Square, has long been the scene of secretive work by special police units. Interviews with local attorneys and one protester who spent the better part of a day shackled in Homan Square describe operations that deny access to basic constitutional rights.

Alleged police practices at Homan Square, according to those familiar with the facility who spoke out to the Guardian after its investigation into Chicago police abuse, include:

Keeping arrestees out of official booking databases.
Beating by police, resulting in head wounds.
Shackling for prolonged periods.
Denying attorneys access to the “secure” facility.
Holding people without legal counsel for between 12 and 24 hours, including people as young as 15.

At least one man was found unresponsive in a Homan Square “interview room” and later pronounced dead.

Brian Jacob Church, a protester known as one of the “Nato Three”, was held and questioned at Homan Square in 2012 following a police raid. Officers restrained Church for the better part of a day, denying him access to an attorney, before sending him to a nearby police station to be booked and charged.

“Homan Square is definitely an unusual place,” Church told the Guardian on Friday. “It brings to mind the interrogation facilities they use in the Middle East. The CIA calls them black sites. It’s a domestic black site. When you go in, no one knows what’s happened to you.”


http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/24/chicago-police-detain-americans-black-site

But nope....not a police state...
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JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
2. The domestic equivalent
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 03:07 AM
Feb 2015

Last edited Wed Feb 25, 2015, 03:57 AM - Edit history (1)

of the 'black site' which the average person doesn't care about. Hey, we can trust our government when it comes to rendition of foreigners.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
3. If they will do it to others and get away with it, they will eventually do it to their own. Why do
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 03:46 AM
Feb 2015

people not understand that? Even if they don't care about other human beings who are not 'like' them, they should realize that sooner or later it will come home to them.

This is an absolute crime.

Gitmo in Chicago! And where else I wonder are they 'detaining' Americans and torturing them without access to attorneys, families etc?

And where is the DOJ on this?

If the Guardian knows about it, surely someone in authority in this country does.

And we thought those CTs were crazy?

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
4. Actually revelations regarding the Chicago police are flooding thanks to whistleblowers so a
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 03:55 AM
Feb 2015

lot of people now know of them. My only 'correction' regarding an otherwise great post I agree with

Chicago Cops Who Exposed Department Corruption, Threatened with “Going Home in a Casket”

“It’s no secret that if you go against the code of silence, and you report corruption, it will ruin your career.”




After the first two cops had been initially arrested in their investigation, the department pulled the plug before any more officers could suffer the consequences of their actions.

“At one point, we were actually told the investigation was too big,” Spalding said. “There were allegations of other supervisors as well, that we were never allowed to investigate.”

“I think that the public should be very angry that corruption is allowed to continue, and that officers who want to report it are retaliated against,” said Spalding. “The code of silence is so strong, the fear of what will happen to you is so strong, that nobody wants to come forward.”

Echeverria and Spalding were subsequently blackballed and labelled as “IAD Rats.”

The events following their investigation is what led to these two officers filing a federal lawsuit.

Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/chicago-pd-cops-call-department-corruption-threatened-home-casket/#zvilz4ELbLiz1j3U.99

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
5. Amazing, I feel bad to say I really didn't know anything about this until I read this OP.
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 04:17 AM
Feb 2015

You are right about the good cops, two of them women it seems. And the cowards threatened a mother with death 'I don't want to have to tell your daughter' that she is gone??

In a decent society all of them would be sitting in jail if for nothing else, the safety of the public. They are insane criminals.

Some of the other stories linked to in the article I didn't read yet, but good for the cops who did report the criminal activity.

So none of them went to jail, it seems? And they closed the investigation after the first two were arrested? So the entire system there is corrupt.

Seems to me the Feds should be investigating then.

As one commenter said there, 'if they treat their own this way, imagine what they do to people who are not cops'.

Thanks for the links. If this was some other country we would be horrified, I wonder why these atrocities get so little attention when they are right here.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
8. There are no black sites anymore. No extraordinary rendition, either. Because Bush is gone.
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 04:58 AM
Feb 2015

Have I mentioned yet what a great property the beautiful Charlestown Bridge would be for you?

Besides, we use more killer drones now.


Pop Quiz: Did Bush begin the practice of extraordinary rendition?

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
10. Without cheating
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 05:17 AM
Feb 2015

My impulse was "yes" but I'm not sure which is a more likely a possible no. I think Reagan or Obama the 2 most likely, Bill Clinton 3rd. Wouldn't surprise me if it was much early since CIA has performed or helped out in many dirty deaths inside buildings that look like the type of buildings you wouldn't want to be & circumstances that would be a horrible nightmare. I would have been screaming my lungs out if I was in Che's shoes. I can't overstate how terrified I would have been.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
11. The wiki used to say Clinton, but now it says Reagan. Figures. Reagan signed the Convention
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 08:08 AM
Feb 2015

Against Torture (1988) and the Senate ratified under Clinton (1994). Interesting that ratification took us six years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Convention_against_Torture

Extraordinary rendition or irregular rendition is the government sponsored abducting and extrajudicial transfer of a person from one country to another.[1]

In the United States, the first well-known rendition case was that of an airline hijacker, authorized by President Ronald Reagan.[2] President Bill Clinton authorized extraordinary rendition to nations known to practice torture, called torture by proxy.[3] During the administration of President George W. Bush, the term became associated with transferring so-called "illegal combatants" (often never charged with any crime) both to other countries for torture by proxy, and to US controlled sites for a torture program called enhanced interrogation.[4][5][6][7] Extraordinary rendition continued with reduced frequency in the Obama administration: those abducted have been interrogated and subsequently taken to the US for trial.[8][9]

Extraordinary rendition remains a clear violation of international law and due process.[10] In July 2014 the European Court of Human Rights condemned the government of Poland for participating in CIA extraordinary rendition, ordering Poland to pay restitution to men who had been abducted, taken to a CIA black site in Poland, and tortured.[11][12][13] Overall, 54 countries are known to have been involved with US extraordinary renditions.[1]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_rendition

According to Amnesty International, Obama continued both extraordinary rendition and black sites. I would also consider the treatment of transgender Chelsea Manning to have been torture. And, of course, he has engaged in six times as many drone killings as Bush.

I don't even want to think about the next several generations of terrorists.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
6. So have they closed down these illegal torture chambers before they murder anyone else? The
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 04:19 AM
Feb 2015

article talks in the present tense.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
9. Would it be better if they used black holes only for tourists from other lands?
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 04:59 AM
Feb 2015

What the hell is happening to us?

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