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"You may have seen a viral CNN screencap going around today which claims that women are joining ISIS because of "kittens and nutella." The theory, according to CNN's Carol Costello, is that women see photos on ISIS's social media accounts, are too naïve not to realize that the Islamic State isn't actually a snack-and-pet-filled paradise, and join up.
This is ridiculous and infantilizing. It presumes that women, unlike men, do not join ISIS for political or religious reasons. In fact, as I wrote in October when analysts first began pointing out the trend of women joining ISIS, female recruits have complex political and religious reasons for joining ISIS. They are not ending up in Syria after embarking on a misguided Sisterhood-of-the-Traveling-Niqab-style lark.
And it's equally important to note that ISIS's approach towards female recruits is driven by a calculating military strategy designed to further specific recruitment, military, and state-building goals and there are signs that it is working. This serious, complex issue should not be dismissed as just a bunch of silly women being misled by cute cat photos."
http://www.vox.com/2014/10/20/6987673/isis-women
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Fox lies, CNN tries.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)According to some. In a world where women can be prime ministers, chemical engineers, and rocket scientists.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)as were the two Austrian GIRLS who wanted to come home pretty quickly after they got there.
It is a complex situation but to ignore the FACT that GIRLS are getting lured over there makes this article a big lie.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)but the author leaves out that crucial population of CHILDREN who absolutely can be lured into ISIS' fuckery with bullshit (like Nutella and kittens).
By deliberately leaving out that particularly important piece of the puzzle on "female recruiting"- why CHILDREN are joining - the author is distorting the realities.
Look, I don't even have a teevee and don't have any dog in this fight regarding CNN but this article is glossing over a pretty big icky part of ISIS' recruiting.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)The author did consider why some young females can be recruited, an excerpt:
"Even if ISIS has its reasons for seeing women as useful to its mission, why would women be willing to join ISIS a group that not only imposes strict restrictions on women's dress and behavior, but also has a record of appalling abuses against women, including forced marriages, the use of rape as a weapon of war, and the enslavement of women from the Yazidi religious minority?
Although there is limited data available, the experts I spoke to believe that women join ISIS for similar reasons that men do. McCants said that men might join the group out of a "desire for adventure, a feeling that they are protecting a persecuted Sunni community, or enthusiasm and fervor that the end times are approaching, and wanting to be a part of it." Those same arguments could appeal to women as well."
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)and I'm not fussed if they used that exact phrase, I didn't interpret it as literal.
Clearly ISIS is targeting girls. They're using methods to lure them in akin to "Nutella and kittens". Kind of "do you want some candy little girl" as the stranger beckons from the car.
These are children being sucked into a mass murdering cult. I think it's disingenuous for author of this article to gloss over that.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)That was the entire point of MY OP!
There is a whole segment in the article about "girls" and recruiting of females. I can not snip everthing, copyright.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)part entirely. I think that's pretty rotten, to claim those who are hunting for kids are 'recruiting women'.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,361 posts)"a girl may be married between the ages of nine and 17."
http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1502/18/cnr.02.html
If you think that girls really are attracted by the availability of Nutella and kitten videos, then you're even more gullible than Daily Mail readers who originated that nonsense in August: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2724889/ISIS-goes-nuts-Nutella-Brutal-Jihadists-reveal-bizarre-soft-spot-chocolate-hazelnut-spread.html
Do you think that teenagers don't get bizarre ideas about religion, or politics? Is that reserved for adults?