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KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 08:24 PM Feb 2015

After the panic: How one New Yorker lives happily in 90 square feet

https://homes.yahoo.com/news/after-the-panic--how-one-new-yorker-lives-happily-in-90-square-feet-210257460.html

"I really like getting rid of things," says Mary Helen Rowell, as she stands in the middle of her minimally furnished apartment in Manhattan's West Village. "It's my favorite thing." Considering that Rowell's apartment measures all of 90 square feet, purging is more of a necessity than a hobby, but enjoying the process makes it easier to keep the tiny space neat. "If there are three things on the floor, it's a disaster."

Rowell found the place two years ago through a friend, who saw the listing on NYU's student listserv. "Everyone was laughing at the tiny box that was for rent," says Rowell. Even when she visited, the landlord seemed embarrassed to show it. But the rent was just $750 a month (now a whopping $775), and she took it on the spot.

A few moments of panic set in once Rowell started measuring the space. Click here or on a photo for a slideshow with details on how she defeated the panic and learned how to live comfortably and happily in 90 square feet.




I've heard of micro-apartments, but this is ridiculous! On the other hand, there was a time that I would have done it to pay $775 in the West Village.
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After the panic: How one New Yorker lives happily in 90 square feet (Original Post) KamaAina Feb 2015 OP
I could have done that when single. (nt) Nye Bevan Feb 2015 #1
A lot of people wouldn't be willing to SheilaT Feb 2015 #2
She must be a hipster KamaAina Feb 2015 #5
she's got a David Bowie album on display and a Hunter T. poster. She's a hipster :-) KittyWampus Feb 2015 #13
I would definitely have to have something better to sit on then those folding chairs... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #3
You do...it's called a bed. And you can recline ALL the way down! (nt) ret5hd Feb 2015 #11
I cannot lay down all the time....I need a comfy chair.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #12
No way, no how would I pay $775 for that. dilby Feb 2015 #4
But is it in the West Village? KamaAina Feb 2015 #6
Nope Mississippi/Williams neighborhod of Portland. dilby Feb 2015 #9
That's not a home, it's a room. geek tragedy Feb 2015 #7
And the bathroom is across the hall! vankuria Feb 2015 #10
If your job, and your social life are in the city ... surrealAmerican Feb 2015 #36
For a student, that's plenty of space. Art_from_Ark Feb 2015 #8
10 feet by 6 feet? I've never seen a dorm room that small. n/t pnwmom Feb 2015 #20
Mine was about 12 feet by 5 feet-- single occupant Art_from_Ark Feb 2015 #22
That's more prison cell size than dorm. JimDandy Feb 2015 #34
That was in Japan Art_from_Ark Feb 2015 #38
I can't believe this is a legal apartment LiberalElite Feb 2015 #14
That's exactly what it is, since she shares a bathroom Warpy Feb 2015 #19
I get claustrophobic just looking at the pics but- LiberalElite Feb 2015 #21
Yes, it looks like the SROs in Boston, half an original room Warpy Feb 2015 #23
I could do 200 sq. ft. but that's about my minimum. Coventina Feb 2015 #15
Ahh, yes. The kitchen. SheilaT Feb 2015 #16
Hunter's old kitchen... hunter Feb 2015 #25
This is great for the 80 hour a week workaholic Warpy Feb 2015 #17
who is the landlord ? olddots Feb 2015 #18
My broken car, pushed into a church parking lot was much smaller than that. hunter Feb 2015 #24
Think about it like this, how many rooms can you be in at one time? I love small spaces! underahedgerow Feb 2015 #26
I could never live like this... chillfactor Feb 2015 #27
I need room to exercise Skittles Feb 2015 #33
Sorry, not 90 sft Old and In the Way Feb 2015 #28
Bath is across the hall KamaAina Feb 2015 #30
the 'kitchen' is on the other side of the room reorg Feb 2015 #31
I could not do this. 3catwoman3 Feb 2015 #29
I might be able to make the kitchen work. Chellee Feb 2015 #32
My books take up more space than that hobbit709 Feb 2015 #35
I've lived on small sailboats, and this has more headroom FLPanhandle Feb 2015 #37
 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
2. A lot of people wouldn't be willing to
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 08:29 PM
Feb 2015

live in that tiny a space. Me, for one. Yeah, I could cull stuff, but I'm not ready to give up my wedding china, or all of my books, and I like having just a bit more space to walk around in.

Does anyone else find it odd that in the world of digital music, this person has an old-fashioned record player?

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
3. I would definitely have to have something better to sit on then those folding chairs...
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 08:29 PM
Feb 2015

that is for damn sure!

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
12. I cannot lay down all the time....I need a comfy chair....
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 08:46 PM
Feb 2015

you get a little older and you soon realize the importance of a good recliner chair!

dilby

(2,273 posts)
4. No way, no how would I pay $775 for that.
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 08:29 PM
Feb 2015

I pay $415 for a room in a shared house and I have way more room than that. Plus I have access to a communal living room, dining room and full size Kitchen.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
6. But is it in the West Village?
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 08:30 PM
Feb 2015

A regular-sized studio around there would fetch three times that.

dilby

(2,273 posts)
9. Nope Mississippi/Williams neighborhod of Portland.
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 08:33 PM
Feb 2015

And I have a friend moving from New York to Portland because you pay a whole lot of money, for a whole lot of nothing in New York. Well that and he is tired of the rat race and needs to relax.

vankuria

(904 posts)
10. And the bathroom is across the hall!
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 08:42 PM
Feb 2015

No way could I live in that small space, having my clothes hanging in the kitchen, no place to sit but a folding chair and sharing a bathroom with my neighbors, ick.

My niece pays $700 a month for an apt. in Upstate NY and has 2 bedrooms, full kitchen, living room, dining room and den. Folks pay outrageous money to live in NYC and I just don't get it.

surrealAmerican

(11,364 posts)
36. If your job, and your social life are in the city ...
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 09:37 AM
Feb 2015

... and you don't want to spend three or four hours a day commuting, this is what you do.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
22. Mine was about 12 feet by 5 feet-- single occupant
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 09:59 PM
Feb 2015

Last edited Thu Feb 26, 2015, 10:39 PM - Edit history (1)

Just enough room for a cot, a small desk, a metal storage locker, and a sink. 90 square feet would have been "palatial"

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
34. That's more prison cell size than dorm.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 07:14 AM
Feb 2015

Where was this? I don't want any child of mine going to a school with a dorm room like that. That's why we have building codes in the U.S.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
38. That was in Japan
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 02:17 AM
Feb 2015

In Japan, it used to be, at least, that a lot of dormitories were as spartan as possible to encourage students to move out quickly because dormitory space was very limited. The administration figured that freshmen needed time to adopt to living away from home, so priority for dormitory space was given to them, but they were highly encouraged to get some place off campus by the end of their first year. But things seem to have changed since those days. I have talked to a few students who are living in dorms at that same university, and they tell me that today's dorms are a lot nicer.

And while conditions at that time were a bit cramped, the room was just single occupancy, and was meant merely as a place to sleep and get ready for classes. I spent most of my non-class time in the "kenkyushitsu", which is a kind of seminar/office room for students in the same program.

LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
14. I can't believe this is a legal apartment
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 09:00 PM
Feb 2015

it's not much more than an sro for hipsters. (sro: Single Room Occupancy)

Warpy

(111,339 posts)
19. That's exactly what it is, since she shares a bathroom
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 09:48 PM
Feb 2015

which really sucks if there are people sharing it who think their Mommies live there to clean it. Been there, done that, used Clorox to sluice out the tub and escape the cooties.

I also note that she mentions paying $25/month for clothing storage, something she'd have to do in NYC which goes from freezing to broiling every single year and that means she's now paying $800/month for that closet.

Phooey.

LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
21. I get claustrophobic just looking at the pics but-
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 09:54 PM
Feb 2015

I do wonder if it was legal for the apartments to be carved out like that. No brownstone building was originally built containing virtual cells as apartments.

Warpy

(111,339 posts)
23. Yes, it looks like the SROs in Boston, half an original room
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 10:00 PM
Feb 2015

The last one I lived in (for a very long 5 weeks while I apartment hunted) was like that, but they did manage to stick a 3/4 bath into one end of it, making it barely tolerable.

I was absolutely thrilled when I could finally move into an apartment.

Coventina

(27,172 posts)
15. I could do 200 sq. ft. but that's about my minimum.
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 09:13 PM
Feb 2015

I have a sizable book, record, CD, and DVD collection.

Beyond that, my needs are pretty minimal, especially if I lived in Manhattan where few people bother to cook or do their own laundry.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
16. Ahh, yes. The kitchen.
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 09:33 PM
Feb 2015

I love to cook. My kitchen is smaller than I'd like, but it is full size. I don't have certain things some cooks consider necessities, such as a blender or a food processor, because I have no place to store them. But at least I can cook, which this poor woman cannot.

And yes, I've been to NYC and I know how wonderful the restaurants are, but it's still not cheaper than fixing your own food. So if you add the cost of eating out every single meal, yikes!

hunter

(38,327 posts)
25. Hunter's old kitchen...
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 12:33 AM
Feb 2015


The "range" hasn't got an oven, it's the refrigerator underneath, the place to steal beer from, and the kitchen sink above.

Thus the toaster oven, pre-microwave oven days.

Nevertheless I've experienced worse, which has never inhibited my meal making.

But every cook on earth deserves better, and too many cooks do with much less.



A rural stove using biomass cakes, fuelwood and trash as cooking fuel. Surveys suggest over 100 million households in India use such stoves (chullahs) every day, 2–3 times a day. It is a major source of air pollution in India.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_issues_in_India




Warpy

(111,339 posts)
17. This is great for the 80 hour a week workaholic
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 09:41 PM
Feb 2015

or the student with a frenetic social life in the bar scene. It's not so wonderful for people who spend a lot of time at home because they're not paid enough to do anything else.

I've spent several months living in a van and several weeks living in a place in Boston that was this tiny. However, i could always see light at the end of the cramped quarters tunnel with the end of a summer job or having people finally move out of an apartment I'd rented.

Do note that this person had plenty of money to make the space livable. Most of us who have lived in cramped quarters like this have done so because we've had no money.

hunter

(38,327 posts)
24. My broken car, pushed into a church parking lot was much smaller than that.
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 11:39 PM
Feb 2015

So was the tiny illegal backyard shed I later moved up to.

So was the little room I lived in for $350 a month, back when that was very serious money, with more-and-less a dozen of us hopeless male geeks (and occasionally our hopeless and hapless girlfriends) sharing one decrepit bathroom and one decrepit kitchen, with always a few sketchy roomies who would steal your refrigerated food, especially the beer.

I'd learned to live with non-refrigerated food by then, not even counting my childhood experiences with my parents and siblings living in rural back country, no refrigerators, early 1970's Europe.

Honestly, I could happily live in a place like that even today in San Francisco, London, Manhattan, Paris, Tokyo and many other big urban areas if there is enough daylight to grow a few herbs, peppers, and tomatoes, and I don't have to worry too much about cops kicking in the door, or worse, anyone else meaning to do me harm.

underahedgerow

(1,232 posts)
26. Think about it like this, how many rooms can you be in at one time? I love small spaces!
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 12:50 AM
Feb 2015

I have a big critique of the American way of thinking, where bigger is better, huge is normal and gigantic is best. I take issue with the whole the more, the better. More books, more clothes, more cars, more crap. When is enough, enough? How much does a person really need? And I mean really NEED?

I don't understand criticizing this person for living smaller and with less crap covering every surface. She doesn't have a need for lots of accumulata, and that's something to be appreciated. Just because something is for sale doesn't mean we have to own it. I like nice things a bit too much, granted, but I prefer to have a few well chosen, very, very nice things rather than tons of cheap crap.


Old and In the Way

(37,540 posts)
28. Sorry, not 90 sft
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 01:04 AM
Feb 2015

Do the math. Bed is at least 6.5 ft long, the room to camera point is 11'., no bath or kitchen? Sorry, just doesnt make sense, no BR or kitchen?

PS Ive been in Hong Kong apartmemts that are 300 sft amd cost $300K...boggles the mind.

reorg

(3,317 posts)
31. the 'kitchen' is on the other side of the room
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 03:59 AM
Feb 2015

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I have lived like that, but had to get my water from the bathroom down the hall. This little apartment looks quite comfortable and even elegant to me. Price is still steep, but for a limited time in Manhattan, why not.

Chellee

(2,102 posts)
32. I might be able to make the kitchen work.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 04:23 AM
Feb 2015

And I would give up the bistro set for a comfy chair. But there is no way on earth that I am sharing the bathroom with the next door neighbor.

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