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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe real question here is who or what is considered democrat/ic.
Perhaps we have to consider what the party stood for and
what it seems to stand for right now. Naturally there will
be differences in opinion.
If it stands for the third way it is definitely on the wrong
track as far as what the party has defended up to Carter.
If it says "s/he who has the money should be supported"
then we might as well vote for the CEO of Goldman-Sachs
or the Koch brothers directly.
If the party chooses our candidate for us, instead of
supporting different candidates, something has been lost.
And surely I am not the only one who has seen that.
Winning at all cost is a motto that defies all principles,
and will lead to certain loss of justification on ethic and
moral grounds, and sooner or later to a total loss as
long as we may call this still a democracy.
All attacks on people for voting one way or another
are rather silly. How anyone votes is still somewhat secret
no matter, what people announce here, and I for one take
this only as a form of declaring his/her wishes.
So lastly the question remains what does it mean to
be a democrat in comparison to a Democrat, and
should that definition be allowed to be so far apart
as it seems to be right now.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Both parties do things that are bad for the 99%. Pretending otherwise is laughable. However, Republicans do more of the things that are bad for the 99%. And don't even get me started on Libertarians.
I think Democratic politicians are getting the message that their voters are not thrilled with the direction the party took after the DLC formed, giving rise to triangulation and Third Way. Time will tell what they will do about that realization.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)nikto
(3,284 posts)OK---The Dems it is.
But the real question is...
How much less?
raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)The only people standing in the way of democracy are those who ensure the corporations have more funds to defeat it.
Some people labor to defeat democracy, some to salvage it.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)taxation, social security, equal pay, financial regulation, environment, etc.
Not sure why people don't see that simply because they don't like a minor free trade agreement that they don't understand.
Whiskeytide
(4,462 posts)... very nature of "big tent" inclusiveness, sets the stage for healthy debate and conflict within the party. It's normal, and has always been a progressive/liberal party issue. Republicans are more in lockstep and don't have to deal with this on the same level.
But post 4 nails it. The problem now is corruption from the influence of absurd amounts of money. THAT has changed the entire landscape of politics. It just feels different now.
whatthehey
(3,660 posts)Voted on by locally elected delegates. Not the product of DLC 3rd Way Blue Dog DINO Corporatist Repiblicanlite DWS loving center lane hugging 1% apologist privileged Beltway insider dynastic back room deals.
There is not a word in it I do not accept and support. The same can rarely be said for DUers who most stridently claim the mantle of real Democrats and take it upon themselves to say who else is not.
You would think the platform would look very different if they were right. It doesn't.