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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe Siberian crater saga is more widespread — and scarier — than anyone thought
Caused by "Global Warming" otherwise known as Climate Change.
The Washington Post
At the end of last summer came news of a bizarre occurrence no one could explain. It was a massive crater that just one day showed up. Early estimates placed it at nearly 100 feet in diameter, nestled deep in Siberias Yamal Peninsula, a place called the ends of the Earth.
The saga deepened. The Siberian crater wasnt alone. There were two more, ratcheting up the tension in a drama that hit its climax as a probable explanation surfaced. Global warming had thawed the permafrost, which had caused methane trapped inside the icy ground to explode. Gas pressure increased until it was high enough to push away the overlaying layers in a powerful injection, forming the crater, one German scientist said at the time.
Now, however, researchers fear there are more craters than anyone knew and the repercussions could be huge. Russian scientists have now spotted a total of seven craters, five of which are in the Yamal Peninsula. Two of those holes have since turned into lakes. And one giant crater is rimmed by a ring of at least 20 mini-craters, the Siberian Times reported. Dozens more Siberian craters are likely still out there, said Moscow scientist Vasily Bogoyavlensky of the Oil and Gas Research Institute, calling for an urgent investigation.
He fears that if temperatures continue to rise and they were five degrees higher than average in 2012 and 2013 more craters will emerge in an area awash in gas fields vital to the national economy. It is important not to scare people, but to understand that it is a very serious problem and we must research this, he told the Siberian Times.
We must research this phenomenon urgently, to prevent possible disasters.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-siberian-crater-saga-is-more-widespread-%e2%80%94-and-scarier-%e2%80%94-than-anyone-thought/ar-BBhZntw
peacebird
(14,195 posts)5 degrees higher than usual average temps over past couple years? Good grief!
Tripper11
(4,338 posts)liberal N proud
(60,344 posts)I tried to post this but it wasn't' working for me today.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)have been wondrous before it turned into oil, gas and a sea floor of bones.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)should all be very concerned.
liberal N proud
(60,344 posts)Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't a sink hole form when the ground collapses. These exploded as does a volcano when it erupts.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)VWolf
(3,944 posts)So says the Senator with the snowball.
Marthe48
(17,018 posts)of a human...
semanticwikiian
(69 posts)Senator Snowball is a fool; the tundra is melting fast.
The end will come from geologic methane releases, far more than from CO2 buildup
... the CO2 is only the canary, idiots, our self-inflicted methane poisoning is a-coming.
Track the earthquakes now happening all around the arctic rim with greater frequency and greater force...
I am not a doomsayer but jeez, as a species we're in trouble within the next 7-12 years.
If you were a financial analyst, understand the discount rate is soon headed towards zero; go figure.
See total chaos, massive job losses, and yes, retributive revolution of the ugliest sort.
Noone will be spared.
Now our irretrievably corrupt species is suddenly fascinated with deep space travel.
The absolutely ignorant fools. Noone can be spared.
And Hillary, what's your feel-good opinion about this? be nice and let us non-Olympians know, pretty please!
Is this too hard/painful to imagine?? See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus:
Venus has an extremely dense atmosphere, which consists mainly of carbon dioxide and a small amount of nitrogen... The CO2-rich atmosphere, along with thick clouds of sulfur dioxide, generates the strongest greenhouse effect in the Solar System, creating surface temperatures of at least 735 K (462 °C)... Studies have suggested that billions of years ago the Venusian atmosphere was much more like Earth's than it is now...
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Thespian2
(2,741 posts)asks, "Will I live out the small portion left of my life? Or will humans destroy life on the planet first?"
Marthe48
(17,018 posts)but the planet will go on. It makes me so sad to say that, because we humans were supposed to honor this immense gift of home, of life.
GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)We are in this situation because we are exceptional organisms - exceptional in our problem-solving abilities, but organisms just the same; we follow the standard genetic survival and reproduction imperatives of all organisms.
We can't stop growing, because that's what organisms and their social systems do so long as there are sufficient resources available. However, we can't continue our growth in either numbers or activity for much longer. I personally blame Dennis Meadows and his 1972 book "Limits to Growth" for that...
Deliberately reversing course or even slowing down isn't possible because that would impoverish people and nations, and everybody wants others to be impoverished, not themselves. They will fight deliberate impoverishment tooth and nail. The existence of sovereign, self-interested nation-states makes international cooperation on de-growth impossible.
We can no longer grow without doing ourselves in; we are already in overshoot by some astronomical percentage thanks to fossil fuels; and our animal nature combined with the structure of our social systems prevents any voluntary de-growth. So we are left with no exit. All we can do is wait, and behave as well as we can in the time remaining.
The link below is to an analysis I wrote two years ago on the issue of human sustainability, based on the work of other scientists in the field. The conclusion is stark: a truly sustainable human population is probably between 7 and 35 million - living like hunter-gatherers. We have absolutely no way to get from here to there with anything remotely resembling a modern civilization.
No really, how sustainable are we?
Marthe48
(17,018 posts)n/t
semanticwikiian
(69 posts)Is it true that "all we can do is wait".... for an inevitable exchange of nuclear weapons as people "will fight deliberate impoverishment tooth and nail" ?
Noting your analysis does not explicitly factor in the impact of a cessation of photosynthesis -- we toss around the word 'desertification' but that's what it is, an area where nothing grows any longer for reasons of temperature and-or water. I believe passionate self-radicalized communities, aka mobs, will simply storm the gated communities for their stocked larders. Kinda hard to sit by and watch your kin starve, especially when the wealthy west has no excess supplies to share any longer, and one happens to be nuclear-armed.
So instead of waiting, we should continue the battle to denuclearize all countries primarily so that humanity's time ends with a measure of dignity. I don't really see anything else we can/should do now otherwise. I mean, what is the point of loving a nuclear-armed neighbor? or turning the other cheek to a nuclear-armed neighbor?
Anyway terrific paper thanks for writing and publicizing it. I guess I am left thinking however your advice at its conclusion portrays a victimized resignation as our species marches resolutely towards the end.
GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)Extreme weather will impact food production in a variety of ways, including regional interruptions of photosynthesis along with flooding and drought.
Regional wars will increase, up to and including possible nuclear exchanges.
Mass migrations will compound the conflict.
Social cohesion will break down, impeding the rule of law as well as orderly social and economic activity.
Nations will begin to disintegrate economically, socially and politically.
Authoritarian regimes will increase in number and become more repressive.
Sorry to be a Debby Downer, but that's what I see when I look out 50 to 100 years. And I don't think we can change our ways fast enough to avoid it.
semanticwikiian
(69 posts)As the Greenland ice sheet melts, the pressure on the land beneath is reduced, the tectonic plates spring up and move around evidenced by earthquakes, and geologic CH4 is released via volcanic activity and seafloor fissures. Levels of greenhouse gasses spike to an extent to swamp ocean's ability to absorb, and so it goes south pretty fast.
Funny I use the debby downer bit too; my family is tired of it (though they love my Nathan Thurm imitations). But it's a reality that guides my own (lack of) current personal investments in any decent future.
Rather, I give it most 15 years. I admit to being a near-term ender, unwilling to choose blinkered ignorance.
GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)so I tend to push the date out a bit. It doesn't really matter, it will happen when it happens. All we can do between now and whenever that is, is to live our lives as we think best.
semanticwikiian
(69 posts)Just a wee bit disappointed that you and I are the only ones jumping up and down.
People here I guess are more interested in snarks about HRC vs someone-else.
(personally I am for Bernie who appears alone to fully comprehend the dimension of GHG catastrophe)
If this group won't get animated about these clear signals from the planet
... then we're cooked for sure.
take care GG, again, much respect from here for your rational analysis/paper.
semanticwikiian
(69 posts)See http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/11/27/807913/-Newsflash-Global-warming-could-stop-photosynthesis
Photosynthesis peaks at 85 degF.
It STOPS at less than 100 degF.
Pretty narrow band isn't it? Just try supporting 7 billion people in seemingly endless days of 100 degF.
Sounds like Texas, oh I forgot, they have their oil (thanks Obama, heckuva "all of the above" strategy).
No way, no day, will they keep the carbon in the ground -- it would destroy their stock price alright!
... but hey let's pass the TPP so that they can sue the American government
... and the American people can pay them to stop their repulsive drilling - so cool!
fyi, the corn crop in South Africa has collapsed this year with the heat, now importing corn for the first time evah.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)I remember it because we've had several heat waves locally over the last few years that have done nasty things to my own garden harvests.
johnnyreb
(915 posts)B2G
(9,766 posts)in the region?
If you look at a topographical map of the peninsula, it looks like it's dotted with craters.
semanticwikiian
(69 posts)and it's becoming not so frozen
so trapped methane beneath can now escape
meaning that it's definitely not a matter of "please stop your pumping and the problem goes away"
that is, the capped/trapped methane is bursting through the surface regardless of controlled pumping nearby.
The Russian engineer is concerned about this emerging problem
as it relates to safety of engineers and others in the area but more broadly
what it says about the ecology in the region generally.
Takket
(21,625 posts)Once the threat of methane gas is realized we are going to be pining for the "good old days" of CO2 based climate change. Methane is a far more efficient greenhouse gas and almost no one is talking about it.