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Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 09:14 AM Feb 2015

Poll shows Repubs seen as less unfavorable than Hillary

The latest PPP poll holds many shocking revelations.
Amongst the shocking revelations is that Republicans
are seen as less unfavorable than Hillary Clinton!

The PPP poll shows that amongst ALL those polled
MOST Republicans were seen as LESS UNFAVORABLY
than the Democratic frontrunner.

Page Two questions from the PPP, February 25, 2015 Report

Q7 Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of Hillary Clinton?
Unfavorable .................................................... 47%


Q8 Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of Ted Cruz?
Unfavorable .................................................... 38%

Q9 Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of Mike Huckabee?
Unfavorable .................................................... 35%

Q10 Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of Rand Paul?
Unfavorable .................................................... 39%

Q11 Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of Rick Perry?
Unfavorable .................................................... 40%

Q12 Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of Marco Rubio
Unfavorable .................................................... 32%

Q13 Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of Scott Walker?
Unfavorable .................................................... 26%

Q14 Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of Elizabeth Warren?
Unfavorable .................................................... 31%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_National_22515.pdf

Senator Elizabeth Warren has the LOWEST UNFAVORABLE rating
of the current "not running" Democratic Candidates!
Go Senator Warren!
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Poll shows Repubs seen as less unfavorable than Hillary (Original Post) Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 OP
Did you leave out the favorables to make a point? bravenak Feb 2015 #1
Check the link. Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #3
Ok, I will. bravenak Feb 2015 #9
It doesn't matter, she's infuckingevitable, get on the bandwagon, why do you hate America tularetom Feb 2015 #2
LOL, Democrats need to be clear eyed about the next election Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #6
LOL, This again? FSogol Feb 2015 #4
Welcome back. Care to speak to the poll results? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #7
I think the board pretty much covered it yesterday. Care to speak to FSogol Feb 2015 #10
This OP is about POLL UNFAVORABLES Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #11
LOL, your analysis of statistics is poor. Whatever Democratic candidate you prefer, promote them. FSogol Feb 2015 #13
So personal attacks is all you have to offer? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #15
Having a brand also is important. Drunken Irishman Feb 2015 #14
Hmmm? and your point is? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #17
My point is that something that is more known is likely going to have more people against it. Drunken Irishman Feb 2015 #50
+1 n/t FSogol Feb 2015 #18
Run Liz Run!!!!!!!! RiverLover Feb 2015 #5
Run Liz Run! Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #8
Hillary has more name recognition than any Republican. Drunken Irishman Feb 2015 #12
Actually, Jeb Bush is kinda well known! Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #22
Jeb Bush?...hmm...name rings a bell... InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #59
This board went from being a parody of itself to a caricature. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #16
If you have nothing but disparaging remarks, trash the thread Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #19
2. Accuse everyone who disagrees with you of having a "job" to disrupt. FSogol Feb 2015 #21
It's not your "job" to tell me what I can and can not post./NT DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #23
Yes, but disrupting OPs and adding nothing to the thread isn't in the TOS Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #25
Shark Jumping Underground FSogol Feb 2015 #20
So, you insist on disupting and adding nothing to the thread? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #24
I've added to the thread with the comment below (several times). You have never addressed it. FSogol Feb 2015 #29
Here you are arguing tangents not the thread Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #30
...but since only one of the Democrats listed will be running... brooklynite Feb 2015 #52
LOL. How do the head-to-heads look? DanTex Feb 2015 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author Agschmid Feb 2015 #27
you looking to disrupt the thread? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author Agschmid Feb 2015 #32
Go Democratic Party!!!!!!! NCTraveler Feb 2015 #28
Now let's look at the favorables and don't knows whatthehey Feb 2015 #33
Not entirely, unless you just want to "feel good" Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #37
fucking shit. we are in benghazi mode now JI7 Feb 2015 #34
So is this personal or about the OP? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #38
Before we consider your interpretation of this new poll. Any comments on your last "interpretation"? stevenleser Feb 2015 #35
Steven, please either reply the the OP or ignore the thread Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #40
No. I won't. You cannot control what other people post. Besides, my question is fair. Why should we stevenleser Feb 2015 #42
is this supposed to be a strategy for the populist reform of the democratic party JI7 Feb 2015 #36
Cosmic Kitten apparently thinks Ben Carson to be much stronger candidate than Elizabeth Warren onenote Feb 2015 #39
That is a personal attack, delete it please Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #41
No. As I said above, you do not get to control what other people post. And again, the person to whom stevenleser Feb 2015 #43
You can report it but I don't see any personal attack ./NT DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #44
Excellent point that uses the OP's own flawed reasoning. Let's see if OP replies on point. nt stevenleser Feb 2015 #45
Jury results for thread alert: Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #46
Amazes me why some are SO afraid of good old-fashioned debate when it comes to Hillary? Perhaps, in their heart, they know she's a flawed candidate. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #60
National Survey Results... BklnDem75 Feb 2015 #47
It's confusing, right? Your numbers are for DEMOCRATS ONLY Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #48
No confusion... BklnDem75 Feb 2015 #49
Because Hillary is a household name. Those Republicans aren't, which is why you'll notice NYC Liberal Feb 2015 #56
Thats funny since ALL of these polls prove your one dinky one wrong....consistently! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #51
And yet... NYC Liberal Feb 2015 #53
Not including the favorable numbers is very dishonest. One of the 99 Feb 2015 #54
It's not dishonest at all Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #55
Still not fair to not show both numbers. One of the 99 Feb 2015 #57
The repubs are not seen as less unfavorable by those who actually have an opinion about them onenote Feb 2015 #58

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
3. Check the link.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 09:31 AM
Feb 2015

Republicans are not seen as unfavorably by ALL voters.

Additionally, Republicans "not sure" numbers are greater,
From which we can infer they could surge ahead depending
on how their campaigns unfold, and the MSM portray them.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
2. It doesn't matter, she's infuckingevitable, get on the bandwagon, why do you hate America
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 09:30 AM
Feb 2015

You realize you're going to catch a ration of crap for posting this.

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
6. LOL, Democrats need to be clear eyed about the next election
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 09:35 AM
Feb 2015

There is NO ROOM for error in 2016.
If Republicans capture the Oval Office
WE are OVER as a party.

Voting for a "sentimental" favorite
is not a winning strategy.

FSogol

(45,526 posts)
4. LOL, This again?
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 09:33 AM
Feb 2015

If you like Warren, why not promote her instead of cherry picking stats to pretend that HRC isn't the dominate front runner?

FSogol

(45,526 posts)
10. I think the board pretty much covered it yesterday. Care to speak to
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 09:38 AM
Feb 2015

my comment of "If you like Warren, why not promote her instead of cherry picking stats to pretend that HRC isn't the dominate front runner?"

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
11. This OP is about POLL UNFAVORABLES
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 09:42 AM
Feb 2015

IN marketing, brand reputation is everything.
When the public perception of a brand is negative
it is very hard to "win back" business.

Hillary Clinton's "brand" is seen unfavorably
by 47% of ALL voters polled.

Do you think pushing a weak brand is a winning strategy?

FSogol

(45,526 posts)
13. LOL, your analysis of statistics is poor. Whatever Democratic candidate you prefer, promote them.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 09:45 AM
Feb 2015

Let's just spend less time trying to tear down other candidates. Destroying the Democratic party is not a winning strategy.

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
15. So personal attacks is all you have to offer?
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 09:52 AM
Feb 2015

If you don't agree with the op explain why.
Otherwise, stop ATTACKING ME.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
14. Having a brand also is important.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 09:48 AM
Feb 2015

I bet more Americans have an unfavorable view of Coke than they do Faygo Cola. But guess which one sells more and is way more popular?

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
17. Hmmm? and your point is?
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 09:55 AM
Feb 2015

Are you saying the Democrats aren't doing enough
to promote better or more favorable "brands" aka. candidates?

Or is it that they aren't doing enough to "re-brand" the old one?

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
50. My point is that something that is more known is likely going to have more people against it.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 04:10 PM
Feb 2015

Your point is just bad. There is no guarantee that Warren's unfavorables wouldn't also rise the more known she became. In fact, that is typically what happens. AND just because someone has low unfavorables does not mean they're more popular or more likely to succeed. It just means more people haven't formulated an opinion of them yet.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
12. Hillary has more name recognition than any Republican.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 09:44 AM
Feb 2015

It's not a surprise she has a higher unfavorable than Scott Walker or Ted Cruz. If you notice, they also have a far higher not sure amount because a whole lot of America hasn't formed an opinion on them yet. With Hillary, they have - just as they have with her husband, whose unfavorable rating is the same as Hillary's.

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
22. Actually, Jeb Bush is kinda well known!
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 10:00 AM
Feb 2015

Maybe you're unaware, but his DAD and BROTHER
were both presidents of the USA!

Soooo, i'm guessing, folks have heard of Jeb Bush
And the other Republicans all get plenty of air time
on the tee vee and through the MSM.

Republican candidates are hardly and unknown commodity.
Ever watch Faux News? Faux Views know who those people are!

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
59. Jeb Bush?...hmm...name rings a bell...
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 07:59 PM
Feb 2015

Seriously, you're spot on. Wait til the RepubliCons really start to pile on, or worse yet, when she makes an appearance on the campaign trail - whenever that will be - and has to take positions on controversial issues and answer real questions.

It won't be pretty, unlike Elizabeth who knows who she is and where she stands, unafraid to spout progressive idealism, and who can defend herself like the skilled progressive "Ninja fighter" that she is. Fortunately, we have Elizabeth waitin in the wings for when Hillary self destructs and her unfavorables go sky high.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,711 posts)
16. This board went from being a parody of itself to a caricature.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 09:52 AM
Feb 2015








Five years from now we will be asking ourselves when did DU jump the shark?

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
19. If you have nothing but disparaging remarks, trash the thread
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 09:56 AM
Feb 2015

It's not your "job" to derail or disrupt our discussion.

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
24. So, you insist on disupting and adding nothing to the thread?
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 10:02 AM
Feb 2015

You CHOOSE to attack rather than add anything of substance.

When someone works as hard as you to add nothing,
it does seem to be your "job".

FSogol

(45,526 posts)
29. I've added to the thread with the comment below (several times). You have never addressed it.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 10:06 AM
Feb 2015

You just want to post flawed analysis of statistics and accuse everyone who disagrees with you of having a "job" to disrupt.

You've never responded to this:

Whatever Democratic candidate you prefer, promote them. Let's just spend less time trying to tear down other candidates. Destroying the Democratic party is not a winning strategy.

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
30. Here you are arguing tangents not the thread
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 10:12 AM
Feb 2015

Rather than try to derail the thread
and trash me personally, how about you
either put me on ignore or go find another project?

If you think posting POLLING RESULTS is
"Destroying the Democratic party"
then you are just afraid of the truth.

Pushing damaged brands in an election
IS Destroying the Democratic party

brooklynite

(94,727 posts)
52. ...but since only one of the Democrats listed will be running...
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 04:28 PM
Feb 2015

...I don't want to sound mean or dash people's hopes, but we are moving into the period where people announce campaigns, WHICH MEANS they've spent up to a year organizing the secret campaigns: securing political chits and financial pledges, so that the public campaign can be successful. Hillary Clinton and her supporters have done so. The Republicans have done so. ELIZABETH WARREN HAS NOT (I know her finance people; they'd have been in touch if she was). Now, you're welcome to dream and chant, but if you've chosen to invest all your energy in a prospect who's been clear that she won't be running, I hope you won't complain down the road that somehow you "weren't given a choice".

Response to Cosmic Kitten (Original post)

Response to Cosmic Kitten (Reply #31)

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
28. Go Democratic Party!!!!!!!
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 10:04 AM
Feb 2015

Poll after poll shows how strong we are right now. Even righties are trying to cherry pick all of the polls to try and prop their side up because it's all they have right now. It happened here yesterday. Go Democrats. Fighting for sixteen years straight in the White House.

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
37. Not entirely, unless you just want to "feel good"
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 10:55 AM
Feb 2015
Favorables represent the "choir", the "brand loyal".

Unfavorables represent those who have already rejected the brand.

Not sure represents potential supporters.

The two most important are UNFAVORABLE and NOT SURE

A lower the unfavorable suggests a positive or neutral brand perception.
A higher not sure suggests room for growth, depending on the campaign.

Its far easier to convert a not sure voter than an unfavorable voter.

Looking at favorables when the not sures are in the single digits
suggests the candidate has peaked and that voters have already decided if
they like or dislike the candidate.

Elizabeth Warren has low unfavorables and lots of room to gain voters.

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
40. Steven, please either reply the the OP or ignore the thread
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 10:56 AM
Feb 2015

There is nothing for you to gain by making this personal.

So what do you think about the OP?

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
42. No. I won't. You cannot control what other people post. Besides, my question is fair. Why should we
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 10:59 AM
Feb 2015

even consider this new OP when the last time you interpreted a poll it was shown to be a terrible interpretation that the folks themselves who created the poll said was completely incorrect?

onenote

(42,759 posts)
39. Cosmic Kitten apparently thinks Ben Carson to be much stronger candidate than Elizabeth Warren
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 10:56 AM
Feb 2015

Or so it would seem, since the poll numbers the OP thinks are so devastating to Clinton vis a vis Warren show Ben Carson with only 17 percent unfavorable results compared to Warren's 31 percent. (Carson also has the edge over Warren in terms of "favorability" 35-29. And Scott Walker, with only 1 percent more "not sure" has a five point edge over Warren in terms of unfavorability and a four point edge in terms of favorability

The point being is, of course, that once again the OP tries to turn the PPP results into something more meaningful than they actually are.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
43. No. As I said above, you do not get to control what other people post. And again, the person to whom
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 11:00 AM
Feb 2015

you responded made a valid point that uses your own reasoning.

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
46. Jury results for thread alert:
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 11:27 AM
Feb 2015

Thank you DU Jury members!

UNANIMOUS JURY: LEAVE IT ALONE... 7-0

> > > > The OP is now SPAMMING GD with these poll results and continues to blatantly misrepresent poll results. This is inappropriate and is a sign of a malicious intruder, hide this post.
> > > >
> > > > And for the jury I am not a Hillary supporter, I'd like to see Warren right but this attack Hillary thing should stop.

> > > > Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
> > > > Explanation: No explanation given
> > > > Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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> > > > Explanation: Oh fuck off with these stupid alerts.
> > > > Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
> > > > Explanation: The source of the story is noted, so don't see the problem.



Thanks to the jury for allowing open debate within the party.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
60. Amazes me why some are SO afraid of good old-fashioned debate when it comes to Hillary? Perhaps, in their heart, they know she's a flawed candidate.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 08:06 PM
Feb 2015

BklnDem75

(2,918 posts)
47. National Survey Results...
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 11:46 AM
Feb 2015

Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of Hillary Clinton?

76%
Favorable
........................................................
15%
Unfavorable
....................................................
9%
Not sure
..........................................................

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_National_22515.pdf

Page 27

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
48. It's confusing, right? Your numbers are for DEMOCRATS ONLY
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 11:51 AM
Feb 2015

What I don't get is WHY Republicans are seen
as less "unfavorable" than Hillary?

BklnDem75

(2,918 posts)
49. No confusion...
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 12:31 PM
Feb 2015

Those 'Note sure' opinions don't necessarily translate to favorable. A healthy split could send their 'unfavorable' well into the 50's.

NYC Liberal

(20,136 posts)
56. Because Hillary is a household name. Those Republicans aren't, which is why you'll notice
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 06:10 PM
Feb 2015

the "Not sure" responses to them are 40%+.

Ben Carson's favorability is higher than Elizabeth Warren. That means nothing when almost 50% have no opinion.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
51. Thats funny since ALL of these polls prove your one dinky one wrong....consistently!
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 04:15 PM
Feb 2015
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/president/

starting with this one...

Iowa Democratic Presidential Caucus Quinnipiac Clinton 61, Warren 19, Biden 7, Sanders 5, Webb 2, O'Malley 0
Clinton +42

NYC Liberal

(20,136 posts)
53. And yet...
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 05:32 PM
Feb 2015
If the candidates for President next time were Democrat Hillary Clinton and Republican Jeb Bush, who would you vote for?
Hillary Clinton.................................................. 50%
Jeb Bush......................................................... 40%
Not sure .......................................................... 11%

If the candidates for President next time were Democrat Hillary Clinton and Republican Mike Huckabee, who would you vote for?
Hillary Clinton.................................................. 50%
Mike Huckabee ............................................... 41%
Notsure.......................................................... 9%

If the candidates for President next time were Democrat Hillary Clinton and Republican Rand Paul, who would you vote for?
Hillary Clinton.................................................. 47%
Rand Paul ....................................................... 40%
Not sure .......................................................... 12%

If the candidates for President next time were Democrat Hillary Clinton and Republican Rick Perry, who would you vote for?
Hillary Clinton.................................................. 48%
Rick Perry ....................................................... 41%
Not sure .......................................................... 11%

If the candidates for President next time were Democrat Hillary Clinton and Republican Ben Carson, who would you vote for?
Hillary Clinton.................................................. 48%
Ben Carson.....................................................40%
Not sure .......................................................... 12%

If the candidates for President next time were Democrat Hillary Clinton and Republican Scott Walker, who would you vote for?
Hillary Clinton.................................................. 48%
Scott Walker ................................................... 40%
Not sure .......................................................... 12%

If the candidates for President next time were Democrat Hillary Clinton and Republican Marco Rubio, who would you vote for?
Hillary Clinton.................................................. 48%
Marco Rubio ................................................... 41%
Not sure .......................................................... 11%

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
54. Not including the favorable numbers is very dishonest.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 05:42 PM
Feb 2015

Why are you afraid to show all the facts and not just cherry picked ones?

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
55. It's not dishonest at all
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 06:07 PM
Feb 2015

It seems you miss the point of the OP?
This thread is NOT about the balance of
favorable vs unfavorable whatsoever.

The point is the perceptions of those polled.
The republicans are seen as less unfavorable than Hillary.
The unfavorable percentage is a measure of brand damage.
Nearly half or those polled have a negative view of Hillary.
Republicans generally have lower unfavorable numbers.

Second, Hillary has an 8% not sure.
That indicates that people have already decided
how they feel about Hillary.
Hillary will have to re-brand herself to switch those votes.
Whereas the Republicans generally have higher not sure numbers.
This suggests that those polled are open to considering a republican candidate.

Looking at who already "favors" your candidate is preaching to the choir.
Hillary and down ticket Democrats need to win over the not sure votes.
Because those are the same votes the republicans are fighting for.

This is a look at the liabilities and challenges reflected in the polling data.
That is, if you accept the polling data as valid to begin.

onenote

(42,759 posts)
58. The repubs are not seen as less unfavorable by those who actually have an opinion about them
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 07:33 PM
Feb 2015

You think that the fact only 8 percent of those surveyed are unsure about Clinton should be taken as an indication that she is seen as less unfavorable than the repubs in the poll.

But the correct way to analyze the data when there is such a wide variance in familiarity with the candidates is to focus on the results as measured against those that know enough about the candidates to have an opinion.

And when you do that, your premise, such as it is, falls apart.

For example, Clinton is viewed unfavorably by 51 percent of those that are familiar enough with her to have an opinion. That's an even higher percentage than the 47 percent you cite.

BUT, Jeb Bush is viewed unfavorably by 60.8 percent of those that are familiar enough with him to have an opinion. You can go through the same drill with most of the repubs and you get a similar result -- when you consider only those that know enough about the candidates to have formed a favorable or unfavorable opinion of them, the repubs end up being viewed less favorably than Clinton.

In short, to know the repub candidates is to view them much less favorably than Clinton. As for Warren, she and Clinton come out at about the same place -- of those who know enough about Warren to have formed a favorable or unfavorable opinion of her, 51 percent come out on the "unfavorable" side.

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