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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHow Many Would Support Al Franken for president?
His liberal credentials are impeccable. He is famous. He won't make a fumble in a debate or in a press conference. He could attract lots of Hollywood money.
Anyone here want to draft Sen. Al Franken to run for president? At the very least, it would make the debates much more interesting and increase press coverage of the primary.
Part of my ongoing series "There must some Democrat out there who does not make the left wing puke besides Elizabeth Warren." We have already proven that Big Al Gore still has what it takes. But one or two candidates does not an interesting primary make. Come on, lefties! Prove that you are really trying to put a fellow liberal in the White House (and not just shoot down Hillary). Endorse a Democrat who could actually win.
denbot
(9,901 posts)I think he is the real deal.
pnwmom
(109,001 posts)I think we have to assume the other candidates include the Senator himself.
http://www.startribune.com/politics/statelocal/285958571.html
U.S. Sen. Al Franken said he will back former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in her likely presidential run, and will not consider any other candidate.
I think Hillary would make a great president. I havent announced that Im supporting her. Does this count? Franken said during an interview on the MSNBC cable network with Ari Melber that aired Tuesday afternoon. He added that he feels no need to scope out other presidential contenders.
Im ready for Hillary, Franken said. I think weve not had someone this experienced, and this tough. Shes very, very impressive. Asked whether his stance was a formal endorsement, Franken said, If this is what you call an endorsement, I guess yes. So yes.
SNIP
One would think that if Warren were ever to think about running, he would be one of the first senators she would consult and he would be with her, said Larry Sabato, a national political analyst and director of the University of Virginia Center for Politics. To me, it either suggests that Warren is telling the absolute truth that she is not going to run, or Franken decided that its in his interests and the partys interests to unite around Hillary.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)and he is among those at the top of the list. I am not 100% against Hillary though she is on my list, it's just that she is fairly close to the bottom.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I like him. Can't find much I don't like about him.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)I can't find anything that I am opposed to in his votes and opinions, and there is a lot to like. I'm keeping an open mind for who will win the primary.
OT: Are you folks up in Alaska still warm while we are freezing out butts off down here?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I am seriously dissappointed about the snow melt. But it is fun watching everybody else deal with weirdness.
Yeah, Al Franken rocks, tho.
myrna minx
(22,772 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)That was awesome. "Tonight's episode: More pricks than kicks!"
Dinner with those two would definitely be a hoot!
JustAnotherGen
(31,937 posts)Yeah - I'd vote for him based upon what I know today. He seems to be pretty happy with his job though.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Great guy; there's very little daylight between him and the candidate he favors.
if it is any consolation to you, I'm already sick of Hillary and she hasn't declared a run yet.
I'm twice as sick of her voting record.
MADem
(135,425 posts)He admits it. Like many people, he changed his mind as the Commander in Thief continued to piss away his post Nahn Wun Wun goodwill.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)but Al Franken's voting record/co-sponsor history is among the most liberal. He's in Elizabeth Warren & Bernie Sanders territory.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)She's not really in the top 10. Franken and Sanders are both far more liberal in voting record and in spoken positions than Warren. So are quite a few other Senators.
Her 'territory' in the Senate is toward the center. Which is why you offer no links just an unsupported assertion.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)Bernie Sanders as an Independent on but on his home page he had a score of .04 which would rank him just further right than Elizabeth Warren. This is regarding 2014 but the 2013 report card was only featured recently (now I don't know where it is) but Sanders had a little more breathing room on the right from Warren in 2013 but looking it only is based on sponsor/cosponsor behavior compared to other Senators which is only a small aspect as the link points out. However, half the time I don't provide links when I make claims but I try or wouldn't intentionally say something unless I know for a fact it was true. In this case, I over-emphasized the govtrack (which is a terrific resource regarding a Senators history but your assertion why I didn't provide a link is incorrect.
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/report-cards/2014/senate/ideology
I don't give view the National Journal rankings with any credibility, they rated Obama as the most liberal Senator in 2007 & believe they rated Kerry as most liberal before his election against Bush. Their methodology gives vast swings left or right on 1 vote.
Looking through searches it appears ADA is the most credible regarding liberal voting records but they only have 2013 featured but so far you may be correct. Sanders is the only one of the 3 featured in "ADA heroes" but scrolling down a bit to get down to Senate grades Warren & Franken are tied with a 90% rating so my claim regarding Franken in Warren & Sanders (100%) territory is still correct & ideology scores regarding 2 different Senate behaviors (Sponsoring & voting) backed up by links
http://www.adaction.org/media/2013%20ADA%20Voting%20Record.pdf
frazzled
(18,402 posts)Strong Liberals. The following Senators have earned a Net Congressional Score between 70 and 100:
Senator Ron Wyden (D-OR) Liberal Score: 88/100 Conservative Score: 0/100 Net Score: 88 Phone: 202-224-5244 Contact online
Senator Barbara Boxer (D-CA) Liberal Score: 75/100 Conservative Score: 0/100 Net Score: 75 Phone: 202-224-3553 Contact online
Senator Mark Begich (D-AK) Liberal Score: 75/100 Conservative Score: 0/100 Net Score: 75 Phone: 202-224-3004 Contact online
Senator Richard Blumenthal (D-CT) Liberal Score: 75/100 Conservative Score: 0/100 Net Score: 75 Phone: 202-224-2823 Contact online
Senator Alan Franken (D-MN) Liberal Score: 75/100 Conservative Score: 0/100 Net Score: 75 Phone: 202-224-5641 Contact online
Senator Patrick Leahy (D-VT) Liberal Score: 75/100 Conservative Score: 0/100 Net Score: 75 Phone: 202-224-4242 Contact online
Senator Jeff Merkley (D-OR) Liberal Score: 75/100 Conservative Score: 0/100 Net Score: 75 Phone: 202-224-3753 Contact online
Senator Bernard Sanders (I-VT) Liberal Score: 75/100 Conservative Score: 0/100 Net Score: 75 Phone: 202-224-5141 Contact online
Somewhat Liberal. The following Senators have earned a Net Congressional Score between 40 and 69:
Senator Benjamin Cardin (D-MD) Liberal Score: 63/100 Conservative Score: 0/100 Net Score: 63 Phone: 202-224-4524 Contact online
Senator Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) Liberal Score: 63/100 Conservative Score: 0/100 Net Score: 63 Phone: 202-224-4451 Contact online
Senator Thomas Harkin (D-IA) Liberal Score: 63/100 Conservative Score: 0/100 Net Score: 63 Phone: 202-224-3254 Contact online
Senator Amy Klobuchar (D-MN) Liberal Score: 63/100 Conservative Score: 0/100 Net Score: 63 Phone: 202-224-3244 Contact online
Senator Patty Murray (D-WA) Liberal Score: 63/100 Conservative Score: 0/100 Net Score: 63 Phone: 202-224-2621 Contact online
Senator John Reed (D-RI) Liberal Score: 63/100 Conservative Score: 0/100 Net Score: 63 Phone: 202-224-4642 Contact online
Senator Charles Schumer (D-NY) Liberal Score: 63/100 Conservative Score: 0/100 Net Score: 63 Phone: 202-224-6542 Contact online
Senator Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH) Liberal Score: 63/100 Conservative Score: 0/100 Net Score: 63 Phone: 202-224-2841 Contact online
Senator Mark Udall (D-CO) Liberal Score: 63/100 Conservative Score: 0/100 Net Score: 63 Phone: 202-224-5941 Contact online
Senator Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI) Liberal Score: 63/100 Conservative Score: 0/100 Net Score: 63 Phone: 202-224-2921 Contact online
Senator Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) Liberal Score: 63/100 Conservative Score: 0/100 Net Score: 63 Phone: 202-224-4543 Contact online
Senator Sherrod Brown (D-OH) Liberal Score: 50/100 Conservative Score: 0/100 Net Score: 50 Phone: 202-224-2315 Contact online
Senator Tammy Baldwin (D-WI) Liberal Score: 50/100 Conservative Score: 0/100 Net Score: 50 Phone: 202-225-2906 Contact online
Senator William Cowan (D-MA) Liberal Score: 50/100 Conservative Score: 0/100 Net Score: 50 Phone: 202-224-2742 Contact online
Senator Richard Durbin (D-IL) Liberal Score: 50/100 Conservative Score: 0/100 Net Score: 50 Phone: 202-224-2152 Contact online
Senator Martin Heinrich (D-NM) Liberal Score: 50/100 Conservative Score: 0/100 Net Score: 50 Phone: 202-225-6316 Contact online
Senator Carl Levin (D-MI) Liberal Score: 50/100 Conservative Score: 0/100 Net Score: 50 Phone: 202-224-6221 Contact online
Senator Barbara Mikulski (D-MD) Liberal Score: 50/100 Conservative Score: 0/100 Net Score: 50 Phone: 202-224-4654 Contact online
Senator Christopher Murphy (D-CT) Liberal Score: 50/100 Conservative Score: 0/100 Net Score: 50 Phone: 202-225-4476 Contact online
Weakly Liberal. The following Senators have earned a Net Congressional Score between 20 and 39:
Senator Maria Cantwell (D-WA) Liberal Score: 38/100 Conservative Score: 0/100 Net Score: 38 Phone: 202-224-3441 Contact online
Senator Robert Casey (D-PA) Liberal Score: 38/100 Conservative Score: 0/100 Net Score: 38 Phone: 202-224-4254 Contact online
Senator Chris Coons (D-DE) Liberal Score: 38/100 Conservative Score: 0/100 Net Score: 38 Phone: 202-224-5042 Contact online
Senator Mazie Hirono (D-HI) Liberal Score: 38/100 Conservative Score: 0/100 Net Score: 38 Phone: 202-225-4906 Contact online
Senator Debbie Stabenow (D-MI) Liberal Score: 38/100 Conservative Score: 0/100 Net Score: 38 Phone: 202-224-4822 Contact online
Senator Brian Schatz (D-HI) Liberal Score: 38/100 Conservative Score: 0/100 Net Score: 38 Phone: 202-224-3934 Contact online
Senator Tom Udall (D-NM) Liberal Score: 38/100 Conservative Score: 0/100 Net Score: 38 Phone: 202-224-6621 Contact online
Senator Michael Bennet (D-CO) Liberal Score: 25/100 Conservative Score: 0/100 Net Score: 25 Phone: 202-224-5852 Contact online
Senator Thomas Carper (D-DE) Liberal Score: 25/100 Conservative Score: 0/100 Net Score: 25 Phone: 202-224-2441 Contact online
Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) Liberal Score: 25/100 Conservative Score: 0/100 Net Score: 25 Phone: 202-224-3841 Contact online
Senator Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ) Liberal Score: 25/100 Conservative Score: 0/100 Net Score: 25 Phone: 202-224-3224 Contact online
Senator Bill Nelson (D-FL) Liberal Score: 25/100 Conservative Score: 0/100 Net Score: 25 Phone: 202-224-5274 Contact online
The Mushy Middle. These Senators have earned a Net Congressional Score between -19 and +19:
Senator Max Baucus (D-MT) Liberal Score: 38/100 Conservative Score: 20/100 Net Score: 18 Phone: 202-224-2651 Contact online
Senator Angus King (I-ME) Liberal Score: 38/100 Conservative Score: 20/100 Net Score: 18 Phone: (202) 224-5344 Contact online
Senator John Rockefeller (D-WV) Liberal Score: 38/100 Conservative Score: 20/100 Net Score: 18 Phone: 202-224-6472 Contact online
Senator Jon Tester (D-MT) Liberal Score: 38/100 Conservative Score: 20/100 Net Score: 18 Phone: 202-224-2644 Contact online
Senator Robert Menéndez (D-NJ) Liberal Score: 13/100 Conservative Score: 0/100 Net Score: 13 Phone: 202-224-4744 Contact online
Senator Heidi Heitkamp (D-ND) Liberal Score: 25/100 Conservative Score: 20/100 Net Score: 5 Phone: 202-224-2043 Contact online
Senator Tim Johnson (D-SD) Liberal Score: 25/100 Conservative Score: 20/100 Net Score: 5 Phone: 202-224-5842 Contact online
Senator Mary Landrieu (D-LA) Liberal Score: 25/100 Conservative Score: 20/100 Net Score: 5 Phone: 202-224-5824 Contact online
Senator Claire McCaskill (D-MO) Liberal Score: 25/100 Conservative Score: 20/100 Net Score: 5 Phone: 202-224-6154 Contact online
Senator Mark Warner (D-VA) Liberal Score: 25/100 Conservative Score: 20/100 Net Score: 5 Phone: 202-224-2023 Contact online
Senator Joe Donnelly (D-IN) Liberal Score: 13/100 Conservative Score: 20/100 Net Score: -8 Phone: 202-225-3915 Contact online
Senator Kay Hagan (D-NC) Liberal Score: 13/100 Conservative Score: 20/100 Net Score: -8 Phone: 202-224-6342 Contact online
Senator Timothy Kaine (D-VA) Liberal Score: 13/100 Conservative Score: 20/100 Net Score: -8 Phone: 202-224-4024 Contact online
Senator Mark Pryor (D-AR) Liberal Score: 13/100 Conservative Score: 20/100 Net Score: -8 Phone: 202-224-2353 Contact online
Senator Harry Reid (D-NV) Liberal Score: 13/100 Conservative Score: 20/100
Shrike47
(6,913 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)You've just destroyed his reputation. A movement to impeach him should follow an endorsement, right?
( for the impaired.)
MADem
(135,425 posts)I guess I should just hush my mouth with all these facts 'n such!!!
They don't seem to be welcome when visions of ideology are dancing in some heads!
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Your convictions are just as worthy as anyone else's convictions.
Though it does seem that for every post that is pro-Hillary seems to sink peoples heels in that she isn't the Democrat that we are looking for, and spawns two more that want another candidate.
Healthy debate is healthy.
I respect your convictions, MADem, even if I disagree with you.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... because he's good enough, he's smart enough, and doggonit, people like him!
Hekate
(90,860 posts)K
wildbilln864
(13,382 posts)SheilaT
(23,156 posts)interested in running for the office.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)But he would have to show he has the energy to fight for ordinary people. I would have to see how he connects with the public in crowds, large crowds and how well he can explain complex ideas to voters.
I loved him on the radio. He was great. But I'd like to see him debate. I know that Elizabeth Warren is a champion debater. I know she knows and can argue law.
So, l would have to see what Al Franken would do as a candidate. I'd like to see him run. I could not say I would support him at this point.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,178 posts)Someone that could hold their own even on the obligatory appearances on Fox, and their Friends on the other networks and their very own gotcha question interviews. Probably involving a lot of old clips from both his SNL days and audio clips from Air America. But if anybody can handle the attention, its Al.
Dog gone it, lets do it!
lobodons
(1,290 posts)Any Franken fan should watch this C-SPAN Booknotes discussion of his book Lies and the lying liars that tell them. Al Franken is a model Senator and would be great at any public service capacity.
Yes, it is long, but well worth the view. I came across this week while surfing O'Reilly's lies.
http://www.c-span.org/video/?178761-1/book-discussion-lies-lying-liars-tell
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)my only concerns is the one time he called himself a DLC Democrat so I'm a little weary if he'd be on-board of the status quo.
He has a very liberal voting record and I loved how he used his Senate powers to chew out a private defense contractor though does his concern with US rape victims who waited 5 years only for an arbitrator to hear her claims or does it extend to thousands, likely over a million total migrant worker slavery & human trafficking? Given his labor support background I think he'd feel a little more than an indifference. Besides he gave a private defense contractor a well deserved ass-chewing.
I just spotted he is on the Committee for Crime & Terrorism so I need to pay closer attention to him though he serves with some horrifying committee members so I already don't have a shred of confidence the work our Senate does in this area. Jeff Flake (I know him well), Lindsay Graham, Jeff Sessions, & David Vitter. Don't know too much about the Democrats except Schumer is a well known defender of Wall Street.
MADem
(135,425 posts)People here like to use "DLC" as some kind of shorthand for "Monster." When the Democrats were trying to cut the GOP off at the pass and break the Reagan stranglehold, that DLC strategy was effective. It's no longer as useful as it once was, which is why there is no "DLC" anymore, though some just don't want it to die (because it makes for a great strawman, I guess).
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)or the right wing, Olympia Snowe territory, of the Democratic party.
However, he specifically said he was DLC Democrat who admired Paul Wellstone and mentioned that he disagreed with him a lot. Given that he is very populist & has a reliably liberal voting record, he isn't at all part of what concerns me in the Democratic party except he is solidly on board blue team which is problematic depending on the compromises or how the blue team wants him to vote.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Bottom line is this: He is not running and he's picked his preferred candidate. If people in his state don't like his views, they shouldn't vote for him. If they do like him, they should support him. All this worrying about labels regarding totally defunct organizations just seems like it is designed to agitate, for no reason. It's totally pointless.
Here's the thread I'm talking about--that one went nowhere, too:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/100255306
And a decade ago, DU was griping about the same damned pointless thing:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3636499
I like Franken. He's not running for POTUS, but he's a fine senator.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)DLC, Third Way, Triangulation, etc. Designed to agitate, it was a label he used to describe himself in 2004 but he has been very populist & aligned with the interests of labor, + his 90% rating from ADA. I don't have many concerns, the only 1 I do have is his NSA "keeps us safe" defense.
MADem
(135,425 posts)It's a real under-the-bridge tactic; wish we'd see less of it here, but election season is enroute, so we will probably see more, not less.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)All I did was mention something he said that honestly gave me concerns about regarding his Senate history I have a lot of praises of the man. I have concerns regarding Elizabeth Warren and Massachusetts based private defense contractors but given she also as well has one of the most impressive senate records, I'll wait-and-see how to deal when future issues come up.
Certainly there is going to be agitation & under-the-bridge-tactics as we already see a lot of it or depending on rooting interests, how much of it we see. Issues concern me more over any persons but I try my best to be fair, the under-the-bridge thing really isn't my thing. We can keep going in circles on this but this will be last post for a few hours as I have to go.
MADem
(135,425 posts)There are limitations to communication in writing.
I like Al, but I know he's not running. I like EW too, and I know she's not running either. As for her association with private defense contractors in MA, every one of her brothers served in the military, she's a strong advocate for the Defense Department, and she knows that defense industry in MA means J-O-B-S. She's even come down on the side of keeping an unneeded defense program to protect jobs in the state, and done so unapologetically.
Senators, first and foremost, have to represent the citizens of their state, and put their needs first. That may mean that the person representing Montana isn't "liberal' enough for New York or California, but at the end of the day, too doggone bad--Montana isn't those states.
DU as an entity has a bad habit of crafting cartoonish visions of politicians and throwing good political babies out with the bathwater. In actual fact, most of them have good points and bad--they're human.
TheKentuckian
(25,029 posts)and most critically the brand was going sour fast with deep connections to Pete Peterson and to some extent the Kochs themselves so they rebranded the think tank crap and just utilize their control of the Democratic party as the main political arm.
Pretending that influence has went poof is an absurd whopper.
It's all Turd Way be it DLC, or New Democrats, or Blue Dogs, or Third Way, or No Labels or whatever bullshit they will come up with next.
A turd is a turd by any name.
This bunch stinks to high heaven always under label after label smelling the damn same.
No matter under what guise ever working to flush our lives and futures down the drain.
MADem
(135,425 posts)DLC.
If I like the person, I vote for them. If I don't, then I don't. Don't try to scare me with three letter or "turd" labels--I'm too old for that kind of bullshit. And don't try to "lump" individuals by playing them all up as part of a "bunch"--that, to my mind, is an intellectually lazy way to approach someone's stances on the issues. Find those three letters, and no need to do the actual research, I guess.
Al Franken is one of the good guys--and he was a member of the now entirely defunct DLC. AND...he's not running for POTUS. AND....he's chosen a candidate to support, if she runs.
So...yeah, whatever.
barbtries
(28,813 posts)i will support the democratic nominee whoever it turns out to be though.
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)i like his solid record and ability to weigh the issues and speak from a point of strength.
The CCC
(463 posts)I like him a lot, but I like him doing the great job he's doing in the Senate better than running around the country running for President.
Rhiannon12866
(206,262 posts)We need a lot more like him to fight for us in the Senate.
Hekate
(90,860 posts)He'd make it interesting.
But as noted above, he's already endorsed She Who Must Not Be Named.
nikto
(3,284 posts)Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)Any one of these would get my full support upon announcing their candidacy, If two or more throw their hats in the ring..........I'll sleep less....
trueblue2007
(17,242 posts)Behind the Aegis
(54,013 posts)But, in case you haven't heard, he, like apparently every Jew in Congress, is a dual citizen of Israel. So I am sure there are those who would sputter at his possible or actual run because, well, y'know.
I like him. I think he has some good ideas and would be an asset to the US as a president.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)and I would support him ardently.
JI7
(89,279 posts)but i would support him if he did run.
the_sly_pig
(741 posts)I'm sure he knows he's not ready yet. Though I don't care, he still needs to put some time between who he was and who he is now. I wouldn't rule out running for president in the future.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)Badass Liberal
(57 posts)It's not happening. It's fun to fantasize. But your choices are O'Malley and Webb. Pretty soon, Clinton. I respect Warren enough to believe her when she says she's not running. Sanders... I love his boldness. But he's not a Democrat, and see: McGovern, Jackson Jr., Kucinich, Dean.
Ideally, I'd like Brian Schweitzer. Or Amy Klobuchar. Or Mark Warner, Sherrod Brown, Dick Durbin, Claire McCaskill.
But let's stay grounded to realism.
eridani
(51,907 posts)Bernie said he'd run as a Dem.
Vinca
(50,318 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Al Franken voted for NDAA and the Patriot Act.
Al Franken defends mass surveillance.
He supported SOPA and PIPA.
He joined with Republicans to defeat an amendment restoring funds to the food stamp program.
He wil not seriously challenge the corporate takeover that is dismantling democracy in this country.
We can and must do much, much better. We need Bernie Sanders or someone very like him.
undeterred
(34,658 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)dembotoz
(16,864 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)food stamp cuts, internet control through SOPA and PIPA, is noted.
Voting to extend the Patriot Act is support for the Patriot Act.
The dishonesty in the talking points you are using does not help your case. We need serious challenge to the corporate takeover of this nation. Franken has shown that he is unwilling to offer that challenge.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5767160
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)I tried to call Senator Franken's office to inquire as to his vote for the Patriot Act but it's closed on the weekends.
I will put on my serious hat on for a moment and add the Patriot Act passed the Senate on a 98-1 vote with only Senator Russ Feingold of Wisconsin voting against it so your beef , essentially, is with the entire Democratic party. I must add the caveat that hindsight is more accurate than foresight.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Incorrect. Here he is explaining why he voted NO:
I voted against the PATRIOT Act today because it extended the law for four years without adding needed safeguards to protect innocent Americans privacy and civil liberties. Earlier this year, I and several of my colleagues worked to strengthen the protections in the PATRIOT Act to ensure better oversight and protections to help prevent abuseprotections that were stripped from the version that came before the Senate today. While I believe that law enforcement must have the tools it needs to do its job, I dont believe those powers should go without adequate oversight, which is why I could not support this version of the PATRIOT Act.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)This is the level of honesty we have come to expect from the Third Way talking points.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)He voted against the extension of the Patriot Act, ergo:
http://politics.nytimes.com/congress/votes/112/senate/1/84
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)Sen. Frankens Statement on Voting against Final Passage of PATRIOT Act
Thursday, May 26, 2011
Today, U.S. Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) issued the following statement after the Senate vote on the PATRIOT Act:
I voted against the PATRIOT Act today because it extended the law for four years without adding needed safeguards to protect innocent Americans privacy and civil liberties. Earlier this year, I and several of my colleagues worked to strengthen the protections in the PATRIOT Act to ensure better oversight and protections to help prevent abuseprotections that were stripped from the version that came before the Senate today. While I believe that law enforcement must have the tools it needs to do its job, I dont believe those powers should go without adequate oversight, which is why I could not support this version of the PATRIOT Act.
djean111
(14,255 posts)I would enthusiastically support Franken. Would not be, in ANY way, enthusiastic about Hillary.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)1) Al is fine with me
2) Despite my hyperbole I believe Woo's mistake was one hundred percent unintentional.
3) Be careful when you're shooting randomly for you might shoot a friend.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)I was mistaken about his voting for overall extension of the Patriot Act, because what I remembered was his vote on the Durbin Amendment. He fought ending some of the most egregious parts of the Patriot Act, including unconstitutional spying on Americans.
He voted NO on the Durbin Amendment, which would have curtailed spying on Americans permitted by the Patriot Act. It would have ended spying on innocent Americans and limited it to those the government actually has cause to believe are involved in espionage or terrorism.
Franken also has been a staunch defender of NDAA and indefinite detention. He is not a change candidate.
*Of course* Franken would be better than Hillary or a Republican. But we need much more than that. We do NOT need a staunch defender of the NSA and the unconstitutional security state, as well as a defender of SOPA, PIPA, and food stamp cuts. We are in a grave situation in this nation, and we desperately need a candidate who is serious about taking on the corporate coup of this nation.
We need a candidate who is serious about taking on the oligarchy and the dismantling of our democracy itself. That means taking on NDAA and the surveillance state. We need someone like Bernie Sanders. We can and must do much better than Franken.
Al Franken Defends National Security Agency Over Spying Allegations (VIDEO)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/11/al-franken-nsa_n_3423413.html
Al Franken opposes Durbin Amendment to Patriot Act, Votes to Let Big Brother Spy on Innocent Americans
http://thatsmycongress.com/index.php/2009/10/08/al-franken-votes-to-let-big-brother-spy-on-innocent-americans/
Franken defends NSA surveillance
http://thehill.com/video/senate/304819-franken-defends-nsa-surveillance-What the Hell Is Wrong With Al Franken?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/12/03/1042085/-What-the-Hell-Is-Wrong-With-Al-Franken
1) Franken is among those who voted for the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) which many think authorizes the military to detain U.S. citizens at home without due process.
(While Franken gets credit for voting for the Udall Amendment, which would have stricken this from NDAA, Franken proceeded to vote for NDAA with the provision still standing.)
2) Franken is a co-sponsor to the odious PROTECT IP Act, which would give the Department of Justice the authority to "force search engines, browsers, and service providers to block users' access to websites that have been accused of copyright infringement without even giving them a day in court."
This from a man who has been a primary champion of net neutrality.
djean111
(14,255 posts)I think of Franken as "better than Hillary". What sets me off - well, one of the things - is when a not-Hillary potential candidate has one or two things in common with Hillary, and so the crowing begins that of course I will now dislike that candidate because I am letting the perfect be the enemy of the good, and, of course, the end game there is Hillary = good. Already, the stentorian, and a little cranky, orders to swear fealty are getting old and silly and off-putting. I have read that the Clintons have their lists of people who they feel crossed them, and I wonder if what I am seeing on DU is just an extension of that. Tiresome.
Again, thank you for your reply, and I feel the same way that you do.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)We so desperately need for this primary to mean something...to wake Americans up to what is being done to us and to the depth of the real, fundamental change we need.
Thanks for hearing me. I have great respect for your posts and suspected we had more in common than in disagreement.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)between you two, but I'm sure, Woo, you know I am a committed and dedicated supporter of the fundamental change we need - particularly in regard to the Security State.
My reasoning is because Hillary is not the candidate that will change it - AT ALL. Franken may not be either, but I suspect that since he is more liberal in his little toe than she is, he would be open to reason.
I can't see Hillary Clinton as an agent of change unless it is change for the worse.
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MineralMan
(146,338 posts)I asked him in 2014. His answer: "No way."
I don't think he has any desire to be President. He likes being Minnesota's junior Senator very much, though. It's a great job for him, and he's doing a great job, too. But he doesn't have presidential aspirations.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)During the lead up to the 014 election he would have pundits on his show to discuss the upcoming election and he would inevitably ask them about Al Franken's prospects and when they told him they were good he was disappointed.
brooklynite
(94,789 posts)Yes, plenty of people are nappy to VOTE for him IF he runs. But, doing the incredibly hard work of organizing a campaign at this late hour? Zippo.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)tblue37
(65,490 posts)tavernier
(12,410 posts)is just as rampant as racism in this country. We have yet to see that iceberg. So as much as I love Franken, his intelligence, humor and common sense, there is no way the mouth breathers of the red states would ever vote for a Jew.
Knowing Al, THAT might be the only reason why he would ever even consider a run, and if he did, I'd be his #1 supporter.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)from candidacy. We lost a great potential candidate because of the fear of a cloud of WASPy rejection.
Religion remains an issue in American elections, I wish someone could smash that to pieces
MADem
(135,425 posts)And you're right about religion, but you're right about divorce, too--one is tolerable, if it's a long time ago and the ex-spouse knows how to say "No comment" graciously and convincingly, but too many and it can become a difficult problem.
Feingold is a newlywed--he just got married for the THIRD time in 2013.
The only reason Jim Webb overcame it (and he has a trail of exes) is because he was a military force in a military state, and his ex-wives campaigned for him! I don't think Webb's story would "translate" across the heartland--and that's probably something his exploratory team explored. Also, his latest wife is (gasp) foreign, so there's that, as well--remember the grief Teresa Heinz took?
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)nominees.
Faux pas
(14,697 posts)He's a lot smarter than that B actor raygun.
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)But that's the only downside.
I shook his hand before he got the nomination to run for the Senate at the regional caucus. I was amazed at his ability to pick my name off my name tag without appearing to glance at it and greet me by name.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Our Senator Al would make a great President.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)I'll be thinking of more in the days to come but right now we have 1) Warren 2) Clinton 3) Castro 4) Gore and 5) Franken none of whom has indicated that he or she is running so they are all viable candidates. Just need four more for a baseball team---or a great primary.
Come on folks! We need to get this primary jump started!
avebury
(10,952 posts)Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Hell yes!
City Lights
(25,171 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)But I vote for anyone who can beat a Reep.
It would be more of a pleasure to vote for Al.
ann---
(1,933 posts)Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)The D will have my vote in the general, whomever it may be.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)Clinton would be a vapor trail, no matter how many of her followers call anyone who has misgiving about her a "sexist!" Both Als have shown they are way to the LEFT of the Clintons!
And since I can hear someone type sexist already, let me tell you, I look forward to the day, I would still prefer Elizabeth to either.
wyldwolf
(43,870 posts)U.S. Sen. Al Franken said he will back former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in her likely presidential run, and will not consider any other candidate.
I think Hillary would make a great president. I havent announced that Im supporting her. Does this count? Franken said during an interview on the MSNBC cable network with Ari Melber that aired Tuesday afternoon. He added that he feels no need to scope out other presidential contenders.
Im ready for Hillary, Franken said. I think weve not had someone this experienced, and this tough. Shes very, very impressive. Asked whether his stance was a formal endorsement, Franken said, If this is what you call an endorsement, I guess yes. So yes.
http://www.startribune.com/politics/statelocal/285958571.html
"I'm a DLC Democrat...Paul Wellstone was someone I loved but I disagreed with him a lot." ~Al Franken.
daredtowork
(3,732 posts)I still want to vote for the first woman President, though. (But someone more socially aware and less Wall Street chummy than Hillary).
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)I would support him only if he ran with Jill Stein as a VP candidate.
Imagine the graphic:
Vote for Franken/Stein
I love it already!
zappaman
(20,606 posts)vi5
(13,305 posts)Why he doesn't have a higher profile and leadership capacity within the Democratic party astounds me. Maybe it's because he's one of the closer things we have to an actual liberal?
MBS
(9,688 posts)Since arriving in the Senate, Franken clearly has made the decision to be a workhorse, and not a show pony, which was something that his friend and mentor, the late Paul Wellstone, once told me was the first decision any new senator has to make. You can't run for president without showing a little show pony. Maybe he doesn't want to do that. But given the choice between the coronation of Hillary Clinton, and the suddenly desiccated range of options, it's hard not to see a space for Franken to run. Hell, back in the day, he even wrote a novel about a Franken Presidency. Was he kidding on the square? Good enough? Check. Smart enough? Check. The fact that this would cause Bill O'Reilly's head to detonate in a gorgeous orange fireball is merely a bonus.
I'd for sure vote for him if he ran. However, as others on this thread have noted, he's already said that he's supporting Hillary, and he has not displayed any hint of presidential aspirations. That said, I'd love to see him at least as a key adviser in Democratic messaging for 2016, for both congressional and presidential races. His really straightforward, effective ads for his own senate race were far superior to anything coming out of DCCC or DSCC or DNC in 2014. Pierce also mentioned in some other piece (which I can't find) that Franken is "ridiculously comfortable in front of the camera". Please, please, the Dem Party has to have a coherent, consistent message for 2016, and Franken can show how it's done.
still_one
(92,454 posts)Going to run though
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)However, I don't think it will happen. I would love to see it though!
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)But after Sanders or Warren.
Barbara Lee would be another good choice.
Shrike47
(6,913 posts)If he was interested, I'd get behind him right away.
Brigid
(17,621 posts)Me! Me!