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babylonsister

(171,085 posts)
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 07:44 PM Mar 2015

GOP Worries About Backlash If Court Guts Obamacare

Now they're worried?

http://politicalwire.com/2015/03/01/gop-worries-about-backlash-if-court-guts-obamacare/


GOP Worries About Backlash If Court Guts Obamacare
March 1, 2015
By Taegan Goddard


“Republican fears are mounting over a Supreme Court case that the party has long hailed as its best chance to undo Obamacare,” The Hill reports.

“The Supreme Court will hear arguments Wednesday on a GOP-backed case that threatens to erase healthcare subsidies for 8 million people. The vast stakes are raising alarm among Republicans, particularly in the Senate, who increasingly fear a backlash at the polls if their party can’t find a fix.”

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GOP Worries About Backlash If Court Guts Obamacare (Original Post) babylonsister Mar 2015 OP
Heh. 'When' their party can't find a fix, not 'if'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #1
remembering a riff some comic did a few years back on the "coupon" approach... alterfurz Mar 2015 #7
they better worry. I know people who will be roguevalley Mar 2015 #34
Like a dog chasing a car. ZX86 Mar 2015 #2
Like this. Some are made to create, some are made to destroy... erronis Mar 2015 #21
Backlash will include insurance companies who will lose louis-t Mar 2015 #3
Your point about the money that big insurance companies would lose is the one that give me most hope EEO Mar 2015 #50
Having worked in insurance for 15 years ... Myrina Mar 2015 #58
Exactly correct! Lots of IT infrastructure behind such changes. nt valerief Mar 2015 #67
Oh, do they now? Hekate Mar 2015 #4
Good daredtowork Mar 2015 #5
If gutted, we should react SEVERELY randys1 Mar 2015 #6
The GOP is like most people Turbineguy Mar 2015 #8
They got nothing, sheshe2 Mar 2015 #9
If the GOP Is worried Takket Mar 2015 #10
K&R ReRe Mar 2015 #11
The GOP worries about backlash? 3catwoman3 Mar 2015 #12
I sure as hell don't want them to overturn the ACA, but... ybbor Mar 2015 #13
Sounds like it's time to get to the "fix it later" part. obxhead Mar 2015 #14
hem millions of americans demand ther right to be screwed allan01 Mar 2015 #15
They're only worried about their image but not about millions of Americans. SoapBox Mar 2015 #16
Minor distinction with a major consequence genxlib Mar 2015 #17
Bullshit. They don't care. AlinPA Mar 2015 #18
Backlash will give the gop a hefty case of whiplash. Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #19
LOL. So NOW they are worried? What a bunch of fools. jwirr Mar 2015 #20
Just like W. Bush, maybe they should have thought it out before invading rurallib Mar 2015 #22
If we had a decent chair of the Democratic Party blackspade Mar 2015 #23
So, we could end up with the requirement to buy healthcare Matariki Mar 2015 #24
There will be no backlash. PedXing Mar 2015 #25
Afraid you're right. Arugula Latte Mar 2015 #48
It is similar to congress's approval rating. PedXing Mar 2015 #49
This is way different than a shutdown. lark Mar 2015 #56
I hope it doesn't come to pass, but if it does, I hope you're right. Arugula Latte Mar 2015 #57
Poor poor dumbasses tomsaiditagain Mar 2015 #26
They better worry.. the whole damn country better Worry. mahalo babsis Cha Mar 2015 #27
they deserve major backlash Chimeradog Mar 2015 #28
Stupid shits should stop being giant assholes. giftedgirl77 Mar 2015 #29
Candidate for This Year's "You Call This NEWS?" award rocktivity Mar 2015 #30
I don't know why they'd be worried. subterranean Mar 2015 #31
And the Top radio shows and Top cable news network will back them Midnight Writer Mar 2015 #64
They do their very dirtiest work in off election years. Gman Mar 2015 #32
They're lying! atreides1 Mar 2015 #33
AWww, poor them, worried about themSELVES not about peeps without coverage!1 n/t UTUSN Mar 2015 #35
This scenario would break the GOP's lockstep unity. Jim Lane Mar 2015 #36
Education needed: What is a discharge petition? AllyCat Mar 2015 #41
It's how some House Republicans terrified of the general election could get around Boehner Jim Lane Mar 2015 #44
Ugh. Please don't say Pres Snotty. AllyCat Mar 2015 #46
I sometimes use a phrase like "President Walker" as a GOTV motivational device. Jim Lane Mar 2015 #54
oh there will be a back lash MFM008 Mar 2015 #37
Won't someone please think about the GOP politicians? tanyev Mar 2015 #38
Evil Fucking bastards is all I got to say ProudProg2u Mar 2015 #39
Welcome to DU! AllyCat Mar 2015 #42
They don't have to worry. The Koch Bros will buy their seats for them AllyCat Mar 2015 #40
They don't worry, even if they say they do....... nolabels Mar 2015 #43
They should be worried! B Calm Mar 2015 #45
Be careful what you wish for, bozos. riqster Mar 2015 #47
Take away 8 million peoples' health care? Great idea. Jackpine Radical Mar 2015 #51
Since the Court favors the GOP, I can't see them making this ruling. McCamy Taylor Mar 2015 #52
As much as this might be fun as a political matter..... RationalMan Mar 2015 #53
What the fuck is wrong with republicans? They seem stuck on DESTROY. Rex Mar 2015 #55
Why is this lawsuit even taking place? I thought the plaintiffs have no standing since they were muntrv Mar 2015 #59
worried about backlash but not about health care oldandhappy Mar 2015 #60
After they undo Obama Care their next goal is to undo and make democracy a crime for any one geretogo Mar 2015 #61
If the SCOTUS rules against ACA, will The People demand Single-Payer? nikto Mar 2015 #62
Many DUers side with the tea party on this issue IronLionZion Mar 2015 #63
They'd better worry shanti Mar 2015 #65
All the GOP has to do is Universal Single Payer Demeter Mar 2015 #66
Let's hope they've gone so far right that they'll loop into the left. nt valerief Mar 2015 #68
And if ACA is gutted and the poor use the ER, hospitals will start going bankrupt egold2604 Mar 2015 #69
The effects would be much worse in red states IronLionZion Mar 2015 #70

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
1. Heh. 'When' their party can't find a fix, not 'if'.
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 07:49 PM
Mar 2015

They gots nothin. They tried out their 'coupon' approach in Florida, and spent something like 20k per person who signed up simply to set up the coupon site. People want HEALTH CARE, not coupons. Heck, not even insurance. Just actual care. They want to walk in a doctor's office, sign in, get treated and leave. Not spend hours pouring over rules and caveats to try and find the 'best insurance for their situation', or to try and find the few doctors who accept any given specific coupon or insurance group.

alterfurz

(2,474 posts)
7. remembering a riff some comic did a few years back on the "coupon" approach...
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 08:18 PM
Mar 2015

Republicare: You get a used paperback copy of Gray's Anatomy, a Swiss Army knife, needle & thread, and a $1-off coupon for Extra-Strength Tylenol.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
34. they better worry. I know people who will be
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 10:40 PM
Mar 2015

destroyed when this happens. I am sure the insurance companies will tell them what to say though.

ZX86

(1,428 posts)
2. Like a dog chasing a car.
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 07:55 PM
Mar 2015

Now they're wondering what they're going to do once they catch it?

I'll help them out. There will be a backlash at the polls and the Republicans won't be able to fix it. Which is a trick question anyway. Republicans can't fix anything.

louis-t

(23,297 posts)
3. Backlash will include insurance companies who will lose
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 07:58 PM
Mar 2015

millions of customers. This is what happens when you let ideology and deep-seated hatred run your life. And they won't find a "fix" because that has never been their intention.

EEO

(1,620 posts)
50. Your point about the money that big insurance companies would lose is the one that give me most hope
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 02:32 PM
Mar 2015

The Supreme Court loves big business.

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
58. Having worked in insurance for 15 years ...
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 04:43 PM
Mar 2015

.... Legal and IT ... if this gets overturned, insurance companies are going to do a really good impression of the Titanic trying to dodge that iceberg. The machinery to get compliant and get those policies modeled, actuaried and marketed is an enormous undertaking ... let alone the IT work involved in getting them supported in the various systems. To undo that, issue refunds and come up with replacement policies would cause heartburn of unimaginable proportions to every department of every company involved.

It's not like they can just 'turn it off' the next day.

daredtowork

(3,732 posts)
5. Good
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 08:00 PM
Mar 2015

Let them fear THE PEOPLE for a change!

It's time to stop dancing around univrrsal health care. That's what peopke need and trying to deny it to their neighbor is just petty.

Turbineguy

(37,365 posts)
8. The GOP is like most people
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 08:24 PM
Mar 2015

who have terrible ideas that harm many. On their deathbeds they say, "I was wrong".

sheshe2

(83,886 posts)
9. They got nothing,
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 08:32 PM
Mar 2015

Never had anything, yet they spent our tax dollars to repeal it over and over.

How Much Did Republicans Cost You With Every Single Attempt To Repeal Obamacare?

CBS puts the price tag at $1.5 million per vote... That is probably exaggerated and where that might have been the actual initial expense were one to account for all the high priced hours, acquired document fees, parking, etc for the information collected in the first vote, it would be safe to assume that most of the subsequent votes all draw from that original document.... and the expense would be less.

As all know by now, Obamacare helps we, the people, and in doing so costs the private insurance companies a little more in profit unearned. That essentially is what this whole battle is over. If the private insurance companies had from the get-go, said they were gung-ho into Obamacare, none of this controversy would have occurred at all. ...

So according to CBS, the grand total, with 50 attempts to repeal, is now at $75 million of your dollars completely wasted over nothing... We still have Obamacare. The money was spent. It was therefore spent on nothing and Republicans in the House, are the ones solely responsible. Someone needs to be accountable for spending this money when they knew very well it was wasted and repeal could go no further....

over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.


Read More http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/05/01/1296215/-How-Much-Did-Republicans-Cost-You-With-Every-Single-Attempt-To-Repeal-Obamacare#

And that was way back in May 2014...

Thanks bsis~

Takket

(21,621 posts)
10. If the GOP Is worried
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 08:51 PM
Mar 2015

All they have to do us call their shills on the SC to vote in favor of Obamacare. Scalia and his lapdog Thomas never will but the others will if the Kochs call them up.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
11. K&R
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 08:55 PM
Mar 2015

I agree.

The proverbial shit is going to hit the fan in this country
if 9 million citizens are thrown off their medical care.

3catwoman3

(24,039 posts)
12. The GOP worries about backlash?
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 09:09 PM
Mar 2015

As well they should.

Be careful what you wish for/plan for - you might get it.

ybbor

(1,555 posts)
13. I sure as hell don't want them to overturn the ACA, but...
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 09:16 PM
Mar 2015

I still want the GOP to get what should be coming to them. They suck and are a self fulfilling prophesy of showing that government doesn't work, because they refuse to.

genxlib

(5,534 posts)
17. Minor distinction with a major consequence
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 09:22 PM
Mar 2015

The phrase "...can’t find a fix.” is problematic.

The fix is easy to find. An amendment to the law could fix the language in a heartbeat.

The problem is the radicals in the party won't do it. They can but they won't

There is a huge distinction between those two.

rurallib

(62,448 posts)
22. Just like W. Bush, maybe they should have thought it out before invading
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 09:42 PM
Mar 2015

maybe not only a backlash at the polls, but there may be some insurance companies that will be really pissed.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
23. If we had a decent chair of the Democratic Party
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 09:43 PM
Mar 2015

the would fear a backlash regardless.

But the leadership is spineless.
People should be organized and marching in the streets.

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
24. So, we could end up with the requirement to buy healthcare
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 09:49 PM
Mar 2015

but the loss of subsidies to help those who can't afford it? Who could have foreseen that?

 

PedXing

(57 posts)
25. There will be no backlash.
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 09:52 PM
Mar 2015

There is too much time for Republicans to spin, the media to ignore, and Americans to forget.

 

PedXing

(57 posts)
49. It is similar to congress's approval rating.
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 01:53 PM
Mar 2015

When Americans say the disapprove of congress, he's they mean is they disapprove of other people's congressman. They reelect their own every time.

lark

(23,155 posts)
56. This is way different than a shutdown.
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 04:15 PM
Mar 2015

Shutdowns only affect a tiny minority of the population and most people didn't suffer any. Lack of ability to see a doctor when you are sick, HUGE difference. 9 million people that didn't prevously have this basic necessity of life in these days and times now have it and will fight back bigtime if it's taken away. This is bigger than the usual apathy we see. I will be in the streets with those marching.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
57. I hope it doesn't come to pass, but if it does, I hope you're right.
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 04:19 PM
Mar 2015

I've gotten very cynical about the reasoning power of the American voter, though.

Chimeradog

(83 posts)
28. they deserve major backlash
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 09:59 PM
Mar 2015

getting cancer (and a slew of medical bills)
should make them rethink their shenanigans and games with peoples lives.

Last year my friend was Dx with stage 4 cancer, lost his job (and insurance) and now has millions in medical bills. 55 radiation treatments, Chemo (5k for one dose)...and he needed four.


The healthcare marketplace /Obamacare was the only thing that saved him from suicide. This is a true story and I'm sure any cancer patients have experienced similar. A cancer patient does NOT have to be tearing his hair out worried about paying 1,000.00 a month for meds (not counting drs and hospitalizations, he was in hospital about 5x in a year to be re-hydrated)


Repugs are surely the most clueless and inhumane.



rocktivity

(44,577 posts)
30. Candidate for This Year's "You Call This NEWS?" award
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 10:14 PM
Mar 2015

The "You Forgot The 'Not From The Onion' Disclaimer" category.

If they're that worried, they should tell the Supreme Court not to do it.


rocktivity

subterranean

(3,427 posts)
31. I don't know why they'd be worried.
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 10:18 PM
Mar 2015

Opposition to Obamacare is what got many of them elected. They will probably blame it on Democrats for the sloppy wording, and Republican voters will buy that. Few will blame the representative they voted for.

Midnight Writer

(21,795 posts)
64. And the Top radio shows and Top cable news network will back them
Tue Mar 3, 2015, 02:35 AM
Mar 2015

They will run Nancy Pelosi's "We have to pass it to know what's in it" clip over and over. They will use it as an example of why big government programs suck ass. And the big money donors will flood the most conservative nut jobs with piles of cash. And the saddest thing of all, the 26 million Americans (and their friends and families) who have insurance through Obamacare will not show up at the polls (or vote Republican anyway, because God, guns and gays).

They have the money, they have the media, they have the sociopathic politicians who don't care about the real-world consequences of their actions, and they have the entire USA by the short hairs.

atreides1

(16,093 posts)
33. They're lying!
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 10:38 PM
Mar 2015

But in a Washington Post opinion article posted online late Sunday, GOP Sens. Lamar Alexander of Tennessee, John Barrasso of Wyoming and Orrin Hatch of Utah provide no detail on how much assistance they would propose, its duration or how they would pay for it. Nor do they address how they would overcome GOP divisions or Democratic opposition to weakening the law.



http://news.yahoo.com/gop-senators-pledge-help-court-bars-health-law-003549577--politics.html



This is just sending a signal to Roberts and Kennedy, giving them the go ahead to gut the ACA...the Republicans don't plan to do anything, except have people die....
 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
36. This scenario would break the GOP's lockstep unity.
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 11:19 PM
Mar 2015

The obvious simple fix is to amend the law to make it clear that the governing provision is the one about treating the federal exchange as having been established on behalf of the states. Depending on the terms of the (hypothetical) adverse SCOTUS decision, it would probably also be necessary to specify that the fix is retroactive, so people aren't suddenly billed to return all the subsidies they received (or that were paid on their behalf).

An alternative half-ass Republican "fix" gets vetoed. Then the obvious simple fix comes up for a vote. It gets the support of all or virtually all the Democrats, plus enough Republicans who are terrified of having to face an enraged electorate.

If Boehner refuses to put it up for a vote, there are probably enough terrified Republicans who'd sign a discharge petition.

AllyCat

(16,220 posts)
41. Education needed: What is a discharge petition?
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 11:57 AM
Mar 2015

Is that to discharge the suit?

Do you think they would do the 1/2 ass fix in all likelihood? They are a bunch of chicken$hits so I can see them vetoing their own bill.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
44. It's how some House Republicans terrified of the general election could get around Boehner
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 12:58 PM
Mar 2015

Suppose the Democrats introduce a bill to undo the effects of an adverse decision in King v. Burwell. Boehner, cowed by Tea Party threats, refuses to let the bill even come to the floor (as he's blocked a vote on a clean long-term DHS funding bill). The Democrats can start a discharge petition, which, if signed by 218 House members (i.e, a majority), discharges the committee from considering the bill and moves it to the House floor for a vote. It comes up for a vote whether Boehner likes it or not.

The current House has 188 Democrats. The question would be whether there are 30 Republicans whose fear of crossing Boehner plus their fear of a Tea Party primary challenge is less than their fear of facing a November election in which they have to explain their willingness to deprive eight million people of health insurance (and maybe even hit them with bills for repayment of the "illegal" subsidies they received).

There are Republicans in swing districts, who know they'll be facing the expanded electorate of a Presidential year. Those from states lacking their own exchanges will have some of those eight million among their own constituents and will face additional pressure.

My guess is that at least 30 of those Republicans go to Boehner privately and say, "We have to do something. If you won't work with us, we'll sign the petition and vote for the Democrats' bill." The compromise that will emerge will be to restore the status quo ante (everyone gets subsidies, and it's retroactive) but with a two-year sunset provision. This will reassure the Tea Partiers that it's just temporary, because the Kenyan would veto any decent bill anyway, and in 2017 President Walker can sign a permanent repeal.

AllyCat

(16,220 posts)
46. Ugh. Please don't say Pres Snotty.
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 01:12 PM
Mar 2015

I can't even fathom that right now. But I fear that is what is coming. I have hope we will turn the Senate back to our side. I think the house is lost for at least 8 more years. If not forever.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
54. I sometimes use a phrase like "President Walker" as a GOTV motivational device.
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 03:59 PM
Mar 2015

I've occasionally said "President Palin" for the same purpose. "President Walker" may be even more Ugh-inducing because it's a more plausible danger.

We have a decent chance at the Senate next year, but I share your despondency about the long-term outlook in the House.

AllyCat

(16,220 posts)
40. They don't have to worry. The Koch Bros will buy their seats for them
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 11:48 AM
Mar 2015

They should be worried. Maybe if we all show up with our torches and pitchforks en masse, the Kochsuckers will get a little squirmy in their seats and start thinking about their constituents.

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
43. They don't worry, even if they say they do.......
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 11:59 AM
Mar 2015

They talk out of both sides of mouth just like Oreally and even if they get called on it their minions will never care anyway.

It's only a ploy for the eventual denial while they try suck up to your good side to make you think they are actually Human

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
52. Since the Court favors the GOP, I can't see them making this ruling.
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 02:39 PM
Mar 2015

Especially since the press has made sure that there is tremendous political pressure on them NOT to do it since it will hurt the GOP.

RationalMan

(96 posts)
53. As much as this might be fun as a political matter.....
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 03:06 PM
Mar 2015

I am not laughing.

I think there is a 50/50 chance the SCOTUS will strike down the subsidies for those enrolling for health insurance in the federal exchange where the state has declined to establish its own exchange.

If so I do expect a backlash from those, many in red or red-leaning states. Some of those will be Republicans who continually vote against their own interests. Perhaps they have only themselves to blame. But many will be unaffiliated or liberals who saw this as an opportunity to no longer live in fear of a cough, a headache, a fall, etc.

The human toll would be palpable but is that sufficient to really move the GOP to action? I doubt it. They think all those people who are receiving subsidies are "takers" and don't deserve health care. What they don't realize is that before the ACA we were paying when these individuals landed at the emergency room but couldn't pay. The benefits with the ACA was they could see a doctor before they needed the ER and hopefully with better outcomes due to earlier diagnosis and treatment.

The GOP hates people unless they are rich and powerful. They despise the average American. They are modern-day terrorists.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
55. What the fuck is wrong with republicans? They seem stuck on DESTROY.
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 04:08 PM
Mar 2015

So why worry about something it you wanted to get rid of it so fucking bad that it might happen!? I will never understand the GOP, they seem to only be mean spirited creatures that care about just themselves and are very anti-human.

I guess that is what makes them strange, republicans are anti-human. How the fuck did we get to this point in our evolution and is it a sign of our final downfall?

GOPukers make no sense. It is as if the have some strange inverted common sense that really only benefits maggots and vultures.

muntrv

(14,505 posts)
59. Why is this lawsuit even taking place? I thought the plaintiffs have no standing since they were
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 06:26 PM
Mar 2015

not harmed by Obamacare.

geretogo

(1,281 posts)
61. After they undo Obama Care their next goal is to undo and make democracy a crime for any one
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 07:43 PM
Mar 2015

caught promoting it .

 

nikto

(3,284 posts)
62. If the SCOTUS rules against ACA, will The People demand Single-Payer?
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 09:43 PM
Mar 2015

Or, will The People just roll over and die quietly?

IronLionZion

(45,526 posts)
63. Many DUers side with the tea party on this issue
Tue Mar 3, 2015, 12:12 AM
Mar 2015

DUers don't want companies to get subsidies. TP don't want people to get subsidies. It seems like both are hoping for the same result in this case.

One would think that level of unity would give people a reason to pause and rethink their position, but no.

I'm sure team GOP would gladly let us have socialized single payer and have it cover everything under the sun for everyone if we just joined forces to get rid of those subsidies....

shanti

(21,675 posts)
65. They'd better worry
Tue Mar 3, 2015, 02:38 AM
Mar 2015

My brother is getting a squamous cell carcinoma removed tomorrow, thanks to obamacare. He never had insurance before.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
66. All the GOP has to do is Universal Single Payer
Tue Mar 3, 2015, 07:58 AM
Mar 2015

and they will OWN the White House and Congress for 100 years.

egold2604

(369 posts)
69. And if ACA is gutted and the poor use the ER, hospitals will start going bankrupt
Tue Mar 3, 2015, 10:06 AM
Mar 2015

In the Republican's feeble brains, the poor can go to ERs for their health care. Only, the hospitals have to eat the bad debt and eventually, the hospitals will close.

IronLionZion

(45,526 posts)
70. The effects would be much worse in red states
Tue Mar 3, 2015, 07:21 PM
Mar 2015

the ones who decided against medicaid expansion and didn't build their own exchange will feel it crash their local economies

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