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RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
Tue Mar 3, 2015, 09:50 AM Mar 2015

HRC's “transparency” hypocrisy: Promoting open govt while using private email for official business

Hillary’s “transparency” hypocrisy: Promoting open government — while using private email for official business

As secretary of state, Clinton talked a good game about transparency, but she deliberately undermined it

SALON
3/3/15

Late last night, the New York Times revealed that during her four-year tenure as secretary of state, Hillary Clinton used only a private email account to conduct official business, a possible violation of federal record-keeping rules that require officials to preserve their correspondence. As the Times’ Michael Schmidt wrote, Clinton’s practices underscored lingering concerns about the Clintons’ “lack of transparency and inclination toward secrecy.”

Schmidt’s report also lays bare Clinton’s hypocrisy on those scores.

As the nation’s top diplomat, Clinton was the Obama administration’s leading crusader against foreign governmental corruption and secrecy, arguing that societies stood to gain from a commitment to openness and transparency. Months after she was sworn in as secretary in 2009, Clinton took that fight to Angola, where many opposition activists and politicians hoped she would speak out against President José Eduardo dos Santos’ autocratic rule. Clinton didn’t directly criticize Santos, but she didn’t ignore his abuses of power, either. Speaking before members of parliament in Luanda, the capital, Clinton challenged the assembled lawmakers: “In a democracy such as yours, the parliament must demand accountability and transparency, and stand against financial corruption and abuse of power.”

Three years later, as she neared the end of her Foggy Bottom tenure, Clinton hailed the Open Government Partnership, a nascent international effort to combat corruption, promote accountability, and ensure transparency in governance. “The cure for corruption is openness,” Clinton declared at the coalition’s April 2012 conference in Brazil. Later in the speech, Clinton added, “I’ve seen how technology is transforming the way that we and other nations do diplomacy and development. … But of course, technology isn’t some kind of magic wand. Ultimately, it is political will that determines whether or not we hold ourselves accountable.”...

http://www.salon.com/2015/03/03/hillarys_transparency_hypocrisy_promoting_open_government_while_using_private_email_for_official_business/

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HRC's “transparency” hypocrisy: Promoting open govt while using private email for official business (Original Post) RiverLover Mar 2015 OP
Not really. Trillo Mar 2015 #1
So true. LOL HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #5
Undeniably true, but still weak tea. Orsino Mar 2015 #21
Thanks for the post, Riverlover. marym625 Mar 2015 #2
You're welcome. RiverLover Mar 2015 #4
Do you know the name of the law/regulation/requirement being broken? HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #7
The Federal Records Act. nt RiverLover Mar 2015 #10
Thanks HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #11
Could you please explain what HRC did wrong before resigning on February 1, 2013? icymist Mar 2015 #23
agree with everything you said. . marym625 Mar 2015 #8
turns out I was right marym625 Mar 2015 #22
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author marym625 Mar 2015 #18
Another tempest in a TPot......down goes Bengazhi, Emailgate Arises..all the same boring nothing. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #3
You don't see anything wrong with this? marym625 Mar 2015 #9
As mind boggling as tempests and Tpots. Search all the emails, nothing will be found..you are all Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #13
And given the foreign donations to her foundation, this really stinks. Yo_Mama Mar 2015 #6
This is nothing and I don't like Clinton. randome Mar 2015 #12
Weirdly, her ardent supporters seem to think that pointing out that people like Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #15
You are right about that. HappyMe Mar 2015 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author marym625 Mar 2015 #17
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #20
The law just needs a minor tweak. Baitball Blogger Mar 2015 #19

Trillo

(9,154 posts)
1. Not really.
Tue Mar 3, 2015, 09:55 AM
Mar 2015

Since the NSA is allegedly making copies of all our emails and everything else electronic, there are copies. It's not Hillary's fault the NSA information is not transparent to the public.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
21. Undeniably true, but still weak tea.
Tue Mar 3, 2015, 11:59 AM
Mar 2015

Demonstrates a less than total commitment to transparency.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
2. Thanks for the post, Riverlover.
Tue Mar 3, 2015, 09:58 AM
Mar 2015

You beat me to it

It's pretty unbelievable that someone in her position would be so damn careless. Makes me wonder what the hrll she is hiding that she didn't want it on official email.

I have to say, this sounds a little familiar. I haven't had time to research it yet but this rings a bell. I think we knew this before, just not to what extent.

By the way, I hope you aren't accused of dividing the party because you posted an article from salon.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
4. You're welcome.
Tue Mar 3, 2015, 10:08 AM
Mar 2015

I'm so disappointed in the duplicity of the apologists here. I'm openly not a Hillary fan, but that didn't make me any less stunned at this brazen act of hiding her communications as the US Secretary of State. Not only is this breaking Federal Law, but its an obvious attempt to hide her actions while serving as SOS.

And it began the day she started her job. Did she weigh the pros & cons of such a choice? Being caught will be a slap on the wrist vs the benefits of hiding things & getting ____________ in return (fill in the blank, because we'll never know for sure unless the govt forces gmail to turn over all of her personal emails.)

Let's not even think about how using an unsecured email account puts the US in danger.

By the way, I hope you aren't accused of dividing the party because you posted an article from salon.


Oh, that could never happen.






HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
7. Do you know the name of the law/regulation/requirement being broken?
Tue Mar 3, 2015, 10:26 AM
Mar 2015

I'd like to read it to have an idea of what it says.

I'm not a member of Team H, I wouldn't never vote for her in a primary, but not knowing what law, regulation, or requirement was involved, all I can say is people are claiming "law" was broken, but people are sometimes motivated, especially republicans, to construct truths that aren't really if the construction taints a democrat.

Yes, it's clear that there is a difference between reportedly 55k emails turned over to archives and ~300 turned over to one of the many Benghazi committees.

icymist

(15,888 posts)
23. Could you please explain what HRC did wrong before resigning on February 1, 2013?
Tue Mar 3, 2015, 05:10 PM
Mar 2015

The Federal Records Act wasn't updated to include e-mail until November, 2013.

Obama Signs Modernized Federal Records Act
By Charles S. Clark December 1, 2014

President Obama the day before Thanksgiving signed a set of amendments to the 1950 Federal Records Act that modernize the definition of a federal record to include electronic documents.

H.R. 1233 complements ongoing efforts by the National Archives and Records Administration and the Office of Management and Budget to implement Obama’s 2011 Memorandum on Managing Government Records.

The bipartisan bill was co-sponsored by House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa, R-Calif., and Ranking Member Elijah Cummings, D-Md., along with Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee Chairman Tom Carper, D-Del., and Ranking Member Tom Coburn, R-Okla.

David Ferriero, archivist of the United States, said in a statement that he welcomed “this bipartisan effort to update the nation’s records laws for the 21st Century....[for] shining a spotlight on the challenges that so many federal agencies and presidential administrations have faced in managing their electronic records.”
http://www.govexec.com/technology/2014/12/obama-signs-modernized-federal-records-act/100112/

marym625

(17,997 posts)
8. agree with everything you said. .
Tue Mar 3, 2015, 10:28 AM
Mar 2015

And frankly, I am really sick of being called everything but a Democrat because I disagree with certain things. They might as well work for fox. Despicable.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
22. turns out I was right
Tue Mar 3, 2015, 04:49 PM
Mar 2015

This is old news. We did know this.

After going back and finding this from quite a while ago, I have to say that the NYT should not have done this. Although I think what she did was not a smart move, it's not the illegal crap they're trying to make it sound like.

This will now detract from her actual short comings. Which is a shame.

Not you, the NYT and papers that picked it up like gospel

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Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
3. Another tempest in a TPot......down goes Bengazhi, Emailgate Arises..all the same boring nothing.
Tue Mar 3, 2015, 10:06 AM
Mar 2015

All the same boring personal attacks so beloved of the useless media and far too many half asleep regular folks more interested in soap operas than the soap.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
13. As mind boggling as tempests and Tpots. Search all the emails, nothing will be found..you are all
Tue Mar 3, 2015, 10:31 AM
Mar 2015

playing into the con media game...enjoy the ride if you like.

Federal Records Act?

Yawn, wake me up when the usual DU Outrage(tm) is over or when the election is less than a year away.....snore...snore....

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
6. And given the foreign donations to her foundation, this really stinks.
Tue Mar 3, 2015, 10:17 AM
Mar 2015

I mean, WTF???? She knew she was going to run for president again - this should all have been handled in a completely legal manner, and it wasn't:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2015/03/state-department-walks-back-claim-on-clinton-foundation-203355.html


Her own advisers should have made sure that all was done to prevent any possible allegation of wrongdoing. I'm awed and amazed that the email thing wasn't dealt with properly, and that more oversight of the donations to the Clinton Foundation wasn't conducted - for her own protection.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
12. This is nothing and I don't like Clinton.
Tue Mar 3, 2015, 10:30 AM
Mar 2015

First, there was no requirement that she not use a private email account. And does anyone believe she would be so incredibly STUPID to not be aware of that? Or to try and hide something like a second grader would?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"If you're bored then you're boring." -Harvey Danger[/center][/font][hr]

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
15. Weirdly, her ardent supporters seem to think that pointing out that people like
Tue Mar 3, 2015, 10:45 AM
Mar 2015

Scott Walker and Jeb Bush did the same sort of thing somehow makes it 'good' that Hillary did it.

The logic in pointing out that she's acting like scummy Republicans somehow makes everything alright eludes me.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
16. You are right about that.
Tue Mar 3, 2015, 10:49 AM
Mar 2015

Somehow, because republicans have done it makes it okay and not that bad. It's ridiculous.

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Baitball Blogger

(46,757 posts)
19. The law just needs a minor tweak.
Tue Mar 3, 2015, 11:24 AM
Mar 2015

In Florida, private email accounts are open to the public under the Sunshine Law if they were used for public business.

Of course, it generally involves a court battle and you can expect missing emails.

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