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eridani

(51,907 posts)
Wed Mar 4, 2015, 04:21 AM Mar 2015

Noam Chomsky: US Policy Birthed ISIS and Now Undermines the Fight Against It

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/28869-noam-chomsky-us-policy-birthed-isis-and-now-undermines-the-fight-against-it

Patrick Cockburn, who has done by far the best reporting on this, describes it as an Alice in Wonderland strategy. The U.S. wants to destroy ISIS, but it’s opposing every force that’s fighting ISIS. So, the main state that’s opposed to ISIS is Iran. They support the Iraqi government, the Shiite government. But Iran is, you know, on our enemies list. Probably the main ground forces fighting ISIS are the PKK and its allies, which are on the U.S. terrorist list. That’s both in Iraq and in Syria. Saudi Arabia, our major ally, along with Israel, is both traditionally, for a long time, the main funder of ISIS and similar groups—not necessarily the government; rich Saudis, other people in the emirates—not only the funder, but they’re the ideological source. Saudi Arabia is committed, is dominated by an extremist fundamentalist version of Islam: Wahhabi doctrine. And ISIS is an extremist offshoot of the Wahhabi doctrine. Saudi Arabia is a missionary state. It establishes schools, mosques, spreading its radical Islamic version. So, they’re our ally. Our enemies are those who are fighting ISIS. And it’s more complex.

ISIS is a monstrosity. There’s not much doubt about that. It didn’t come from nowhere. It’s one of the results of the U.S. hitting a very vulnerable society—Iraq—with a sledgehammer, which elicited sectarian conflicts that had not existed. They became very violent. The U.S. violence made it worse. We’re all familiar with the crimes. Out of this came lots of violent, murderous forces. ISIS is one. But the Shiite militias are not that different. They’re carrying out—they’re the kind of the—when they say the Iraqi army is attacking, it’s probably mostly the Shiite militias with the Iraqi army in the background. I mean, the way the Iraqi army collapsed is an astonishing military fact. This is an army of, I think, 350,000 people, heavily armed by the United States and trained by the United States for 10 years. A couple of thousand guerrillas showed up, and they all ran away. The generals ran away first. And the soldiers didn’t know to do. They ran away after them
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Noam Chomsky: US Policy Birthed ISIS and Now Undermines the Fight Against It (Original Post) eridani Mar 2015 OP
It doesn't really matter madville Mar 2015 #1
Religious and cultural minorities sure get a better deal with dictators in the ME n/t eridani Mar 2015 #2
They really did madville Mar 2015 #3
And by taking the blame Turbineguy Mar 2015 #4

madville

(7,412 posts)
1. It doesn't really matter
Wed Mar 4, 2015, 04:42 AM
Mar 2015

There will never be peace in that region, the various Muslim/Arab groups all hate each other and they all collectively hate Israel and the West, been going on since the beginning and will until the end.

ISIS gets crushed, a new bogeyman will fill the void. The only real way to govern that region is to have dictator-like strongman leaders who immediately crush any opposition. Looking back, the era that had Sadaam, Ghadaffi, and Assad firmly in control of their countries seems relatively peaceful when compared to the current situation.

madville

(7,412 posts)
3. They really did
Wed Mar 4, 2015, 04:52 AM
Mar 2015

ISIS is pretty much going around executing the minority and Christian sects in those areas now, areas they had lived in for centuries previously.

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