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meegbear

(25,438 posts)
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 08:11 AM Mar 2015

The Rude Pundit - Random Thoughts Reading Through the DOJ's Ferguson Police Report

1. You should read it. It's compelling, and it's like a look into Birmingham in the 1960s, except it's now. It makes you understand that the riots in Ferguson, Missouri, were not simply the result of the shooting death of Michael Brown. It was an explosion that the city had earned after years of abusing its black residents.

2. It's blatantly obvious that the white police just enjoyed screwing with the black residents for the sake of writing tickets to make money for the city. Sometimes, the cops were like cartoons, like something you'd see in a terrible film that tried to have a social conscience. For instance, "In October 2012, police officers pulled over an African-American man who had lived in Ferguson for 16 years, claiming that his passenger-side brake light was broken. The driver happened to have replaced the light recently and knew it to be functioning properly. Nonetheless, according to the man’s written complaint, one officer stated, 'Let’s see how many tickets you’re going to get,' while a second officer tapped his Electronic Control Weapon ('ECW') on the roof of the man’s car. The officers wrote the man a citation for 'taillight/reflector/license plate light out.' They refused to let the man show them that his car’s equipment was in order, warning him, 'Don’t you get out of that car until you get to your house.'"

3. This is not to mention that there had to be a culture of silence and racism for cops to get away with things like this: "In another case, from March 2013, officers responded to the police station to take custody of a person wanted on a state warrant. When they arrived, they encountered a different man—not the subject of the warrant—who happened to be leaving the station. Having nothing to connect the man to the warrant subject, other than his presence at the station, the officers nonetheless stopped him and asked that he identify himself. The man asserted his rights, asking the officers, 'Why do you need to know?' and declining to be frisked. When the man then extended his identification toward the officers, at their request, the officers interpreted his hand motion as an attempted assault and took him to the ground. Without articulating reasonable suspicion or any other justification for the initial detention, the officers arrested the man on two counts of Failure to Comply and two counts of Resisting Arrest." That charge, "Failure to Comply," simply means, "We're always right and you're always wrong."

4. You can read the parade of horribles. There's a breathtaking number of cases, of harassment, of violence against young teens, of beatings, of outright attacks. This is not to mention the verbal abuse, the racist jokes, the use of "nigger" like the Ferguson PD was made up of Southern cop caricatures. Except they aren't. They're real people charged with enforcing the law. Except they aren't. They're enforcing their law. They wanted to arrest blacks, and they pushed situations to their breaking point to try to get to do it. The report contains incidents during protests where the cops were purely trying to provoke a reaction so they could bring down the hammer.

4a. Often, the overreactions of the cops are so ludicrous it'd be laughable if it weren't appalling: &quot I)n August 2010, a lieutenant used an ECW (a Taser) in drive-stun mode against an African-American woman in the Ferguson City Jail because she had refused to remove her bracelets."

4b. In other words, the cops are just abject dicks.

5. Let's focus in on one case - the unarmed, not violent 14 year-old after whom the cops sent a police dog to bite multiple times. Here's the story in full:



Appalling. Disgusting. Now let's say an adult was there, a man with a gun, and he saw the dog biting the kid and he saw the cops stomping his head. At what point do the cops become bad enough that they need to be stopped? At what point are they the bad guys? At what point would you say that the man with the gun needs to do something? Or that the community needs to do something against the cops? At what point would you not blame them if they did? (By the way, there's a whole section on the overuse of force against students by cops in schools.)

5a. Or, if it's you the Ferguson cops are attacking, at what point are you standing your ground? At what point does your self-defense count? Never, of course. You always have to let the cops do whatever they want and hope that someone gets a written reprimand for breaking your skull.

6. The final sickening feeling the Rude Pundit has reading this is caused by the knowledge that this is just one town and that in towns big and small, all over the nation, the same things go on, the same racism, the same violence against citizens, the same. It's a shame that it will probably take a Michael Brown in each town to shine a light on even a small part of it.

6a. Not that the cop who shot Michael Brown will face any charges.

http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2015/03/random-thoughts-reading-through-dojs.html

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The Rude Pundit - Random Thoughts Reading Through the DOJ's Ferguson Police Report (Original Post) meegbear Mar 2015 OP
Posted to for later. 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #1
The report made me sick octoberlib Mar 2015 #2
The biggest diference between now and 1960 Cryptoad Mar 2015 #3
In Ferguson, I'd bet that Voting While Black is seen as a crime. NT Jerry442 Mar 2015 #15
Blaming the victims promoted to high art. Jeesh! - nt KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #23
Not blaming them.... just the facts..... Cryptoad Mar 2015 #42
One should continue to enjoy one's constitutional rights whether one KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #47
I implied no such thing,,, Cryptoad Mar 2015 #62
They voted in a Democrat for Governor BrotherIvan Mar 2015 #57
Maybe you haven't read WHY AAs don't vote? I haven't read the entire report, but I hope this was sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #69
Really important points. No wonder the PDs are obtaining military equipment. Dark n Stormy Knight Mar 2015 #71
I continued to amazed by the number of people Cryptoad Mar 2015 #72
I believe I said 'sweeping changes' not 'revolution' so that part of your post is irrelevant to me. sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #74
By using absurd drug laws to turn so many minorities into felons, tblue37 Mar 2015 #82
People with felonies on their record can vote in MO loyalsister Mar 2015 #84
downloaded the full report to read later i did read the summary dembotoz Mar 2015 #4
They couldn't get a civil rights charge out of this? MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #5
From what I gathered as far as Mike Brown they punted to the grand jury TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #13
Manny, we'll just leave that to the individual states! bullwinkle428 Mar 2015 #19
People must become more involved in local politics. I am disappointed in the DoJ. rhett o rick Mar 2015 #56
I agree. Investigations without consequences bbgrunt Mar 2015 #64
Does make you wonder, doesn't it. calimary Mar 2015 #80
FPD is NOT... NOT unique... There are MANY communities who have this relationship with the local uponit7771 Mar 2015 #6
Ferguson Mayor and Police Chief: "I see nothing, I know nothing!" No accident, a plan. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #7
SCOTUS Chief Justice John Roberts says there is no racism. Would it be racist to say something Dustlawyer Mar 2015 #8
yes. BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2015 #67
"At what point would you say that the man with the gun needs to do something?" Brickbat Mar 2015 #9
AKA: "Armed struggle." Holder yesterday said, "There's never any excuse for KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #25
I found it interesting, considering how the author usually writes about guns. Brickbat Mar 2015 #28
A completely disturbing and unacceptable mess that is far from isolated to Ferguson TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #10
This shows what would happen if the GOP took control of the USA. They would make rladdi Mar 2015 #11
Nixon is a Democrat and I think you greatly underestimate how deep and wide these problems are. TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #18
Well to paraphrase a famous quote. zeemike Mar 2015 #36
National DNA is not gene based but more of an analogy. TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #38
Well it does work as an analogy. zeemike Mar 2015 #40
Hmmm...I think DNA can be altered and it will probably take at least as drastic TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #61
I agree with that, the solution must be fundamental. zeemike Mar 2015 #63
Yes, the cops did monsterous things sarge43 Mar 2015 #12
There are actually people on this very board happy-dancing the clearance of Wilson alcibiades_mystery Mar 2015 #14
This is horrible fasttense Mar 2015 #16
now what. KG Mar 2015 #17
K&R ismnotwasm Mar 2015 #20
There are so many more just in the same region... Moostache Mar 2015 #21
"USA! USA! USA!" :sarcasm: - nt KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #22
Strange sort of non sequitur. But, whatever. n/t Buzz Clik Mar 2015 #33
Ah, so you think Ferguson is an isolated case, do you, or that KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #34
Go away. Buzz Clik Mar 2015 #35
Bit of a strong reaction there Buzz Clik tkmorris Mar 2015 #44
Seemed appropriate to me. We seem to differ. Buzz Clik Mar 2015 #45
Are you this rude in real life or do you just play a rude person hidden behind KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #46
wow heaven05 Mar 2015 #24
Where are all the Ferguson PD and St. Louis County PD copologists now? - nt KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #26
and how many ferguson's exist across america? spanone Mar 2015 #27
That is a very good point. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #30
Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Thank you, Rude. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #29
KNR. And let's not forget the ticket racket. DirkGently Mar 2015 #31
Thanks for this. Very informative. And validating... Buzz Clik Mar 2015 #32
Next memorial day I am going to have a new plaque to put on my civil war anscestors grave. Died jwirr Mar 2015 #37
That is so sad. Although nothing I write can invalidate your feelings, I would merely KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #48
Thank you for that reminder. It helps. I think one of the real sorrows is that it is not JUST jwirr Mar 2015 #50
I was so pissed off about this last fall that I was readying myself to travel KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #52
Nor will I. jwirr Mar 2015 #53
: onecaliberal Mar 2015 #39
Seconded. nt cyberswede Mar 2015 #43
This is the "official" report on Ferguson mountain grammy Mar 2015 #41
Thanks for the link. nt F4lconF16 Mar 2015 #73
some day soon, a group of people will converge on a cop pulling this shit.. frylock Mar 2015 #49
Fuckers! Scurrilous Mar 2015 #51
The chief of police and the command structure need to be fired. Then go back through the records. peacebird Mar 2015 #54
In a nearby town, they simply disbanded the police department csziggy Mar 2015 #77
Did not know this, why isn't there a national database listing bad cops? peacebird Mar 2015 #81
That would be a step towards addressing it loyalsister Mar 2015 #83
beyond obscene niyad Mar 2015 #55
Only here, it's the Alaska Natives. raven mad Mar 2015 #58
I agree.nt bravenak Mar 2015 #75
Damn. Bobbie Jo Mar 2015 #59
I would like to see the legal volunteers who were at the protests BrotherIvan Mar 2015 #60
Thank you for posting. KeepItReal Mar 2015 #65
I Intend To Read All Of It, Just Not At This Moment... ChiciB1 Mar 2015 #66
kick Blue_Tires Mar 2015 #68
It seems that Holder never bring any charges Unknown Beatle Mar 2015 #70
k&r... spanone Mar 2015 #76
This may be facetious but Ferguson PD seems like a successful business model Euphoria Mar 2015 #78
Tasers are called "Electronic Control Weapons"? Because - Zardoz? Matariki Mar 2015 #79

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
3. The biggest diference between now and 1960
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 08:40 AM
Mar 2015

is that in 1960 some people didn't have the right to vote for a change.... All has settled down and even a election has come and gone. and over 63% of those in Ferguson stayed at home and did not vote for a change. So we still have the same elected officials in office ....those public elected officals who are accountable for policies and hiring practices of the police in Ferguson are still in there. Nothing has changed.. Maybe if as much energy that was put into the protest had been put into getting out the vote, there would be real change in Ferguson. The Fight that fought in 60's was not for the right to protest it was the right to vote for change. Really makes me sad!

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
47. One should continue to enjoy one's constitutional rights whether one
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 12:06 PM
Mar 2015

exercises his or her franchise or not. Your post implied that the victims of Ferguson's extra-constitutional reign of terror brought that fate upon themselves because they did not vote.

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
62. I implied no such thing,,,
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 03:09 PM
Mar 2015

just facts about how change is brought about. my post has nothing to do about blame. but feel free to make up what you want my post to say..as you type.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
57. They voted in a Democrat for Governor
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 02:12 PM
Mar 2015

who did NOTHING who is as worthless as a Republican. So we can safely say that just voting isn't doing anything. Politicians are as scared of the cops as anyone. Their unions are full of asswipes who use their voting block as leverage. And since we all seem to think Democrats need to court conservative voters on every issue, cracking down on cops is seen as weak on crime. It's all fucking bullshit. And your vitim-blaming post is full of ignorance.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
69. Maybe you haven't read WHY AAs don't vote? I haven't read the entire report, but I hope this was
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 04:42 PM
Mar 2015

part of it.

The report does outline the false reasons for arrests and warrants issued to and on AAs in order to finance the entire rotten system there.

It has been reported that many AAs cannot pay those fines, after which warrants are issued.

IF they go to the polls, they risk being arrested as a result of the corrupt system.

Iow, it is a beautiful system for the racists in that cesspool of corruption. They get to arrest and issue warrants on multiple family members. Collecting fines finances the corrupt system.

And best of all, it prevents the AA community from voting.

What was recommended to end this voter suppression of the AA community was that it would be illegal to arrest anyone who was in the process of voting.

However, even if there was a such law, I can't imagine any AA in the racist cesspool trusting it at all.

So before you blame the victims, maybe it would be better to demand some sweeping changes in a system about which there is no doubt, it is corrupt, racist and DANGEROUS to the residents who live there.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,771 posts)
71. Really important points. No wonder the PDs are obtaining military equipment.
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 06:43 PM
Mar 2015

It wouldn't be hard to expect riots over this massive, ongoing travesty, and they want to be sure they have the upper hand. Of course, they don't need riots to "justify" using their combat gear. Peaceful protest is enough.

This whole situation makes me ill.

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
72. I continued to amazed by the number of people
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 06:46 PM
Mar 2015

who can not read....... I have not posted a single word about blaming anybody.... yall make me laugh. So you are saying that part of the Black folk that did vote are specially treated that those that don't vote.?

It not hard to grasp,,,,,change comes thru voting or revolution.....and if you think revolution is still an option in this day and time,,, I have some good bridges for sale.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
74. I believe I said 'sweeping changes' not 'revolution' so that part of your post is irrelevant to me.
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 07:28 PM
Mar 2015

Those who got to the polls, obviously knew there were no warrants out on them, at least at that time. Otherwise they would not have been there, or would have been arrested.

I have explained why a majority of AAs are fearful of showing up at the polls in Ferguson. The DOJ report confirms that the system is so corrupt, so racist that AAs are targeted for tickets, and they even included examples of the corrupt way these tickets are handed out. And disproportionately targeted with warrants.

It's easy to say 'why didn't they vote' if you are not living there as an AA. When you live in a world where such fears not an everyday thing, it is hard to imagine it for some people.

The system is beyond repair at this point. And until we get more than just a report on what people mostly knew already, it will remain that way.

Which is why I said that 'sweeping changes will have to be made' and I didn't see any action to be taken in the report.

I read some of the emails from these cops, and to say are sickening is putting it mildly. Yet, not one of them, as the report notes, were ever disciplined or warned in fact the racism goes all the way to their superiors.

In order to be able to vote safely in that place, AAs would need protection if they are among those who have warrents out on them, which is a majority. And as the report details, in many cases there was no violation of any law in order for them to be ticked.

Imo, the whole department should be disbanded as was the last PD Wilson worked for. Then start from the ground up with non-racist officers. Actually they could start by suspending every moron who wrote any of those hate emails.

tblue37

(65,409 posts)
82. By using absurd drug laws to turn so many minorities into felons,
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 07:16 AM
Mar 2015

our government has made sure that large numbers of citizens from the most abused groups no longer have the right to vote. (And I feel certain that has always been a feature, not a bug.)

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
84. People with felonies on their record can vote in MO
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 07:44 AM
Mar 2015

After they have completed all portions of their sentencing, their right to vote is reinstated (unless the crime is relate to elections).

TheKentuckian

(25,026 posts)
13. From what I gathered as far as Mike Brown they punted to the grand jury
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 09:24 AM
Mar 2015

maintaining faith in the system and blame the discrepancies on reaction to the racist and oppressive atmosphere, reserving rights to come in and make changes in the department.

I've not read the report in full yet but will.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
56. People must become more involved in local politics. I am disappointed in the DoJ.
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 01:49 PM
Mar 2015

They had an opportunity to make a major impact here and blew it off. But the Admin supporters are hailing this as a tremendous victory. A report full of rhetoric. "It lays the ground work for something". Meanwhile no justice for Michael Brown, the Ferguson Black community, and the nation. It's as if this racial problem hasn't reached the level to interest the Admin. I wonder just how bad it has to get to get some attention from the Obama Admin.

bbgrunt

(5,281 posts)
64. I agree. Investigations without consequences
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 03:56 PM
Mar 2015

just makes it easier to flush the whole problem down the memory hole.

calimary

(81,323 posts)
80. Does make you wonder, doesn't it.
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 02:10 AM
Mar 2015

SHEESH this is screwed! That police chief has to GO. HAS TO!!! He will NEVER change. Very likely because he doesn't see that he's doing anything wrong - at least that's how he strikes me from all the times I've seen him in the news. That mayor has to GO, too. And most of the representatives of that city have to GO, for that matter. The people desperately need to be represented better.

What a disgrace. American exceptionalism...

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
6. FPD is NOT... NOT unique... There are MANY communities who have this relationship with the local
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 08:57 AM
Mar 2015

...LEOs and it's not just a bunch of people screaming racism or over policing where it doesn't belong.

The KCPD was very similar to Fergusons; LEOs who couldn't relate to the people or had no vested interested in the community thriving TAKING from the community more than they were giving.

I think where people have complaints like this and they're widespread the DOJ should look into them...

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
8. SCOTUS Chief Justice John Roberts says there is no racism. Would it be racist to say something
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 09:10 AM
Mar 2015

that wrong and stupid?

Brickbat

(19,339 posts)
9. "At what point would you say that the man with the gun needs to do something?"
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 09:11 AM
Mar 2015

Well now, what an interesting question.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
25. AKA: "Armed struggle." Holder yesterday said, "There's never any excuse for
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 10:23 AM
Mar 2015

violence." Wonder if Holder would have said the same to Nelson Mandela.

Brickbat

(19,339 posts)
28. I found it interesting, considering how the author usually writes about guns.
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 10:28 AM
Mar 2015

Or, more specifically, people who have guns.

TheKentuckian

(25,026 posts)
10. A completely disturbing and unacceptable mess that is far from isolated to Ferguson
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 09:15 AM
Mar 2015

I haven't finished the report yet but it seems refreshingly honest in description of problems but to anchored to the status quo on solutions for there to be any really substantive changes in how police deal with the public.

I'm getting the idea the "solution" is to keep doing what is being done now but to do it better. I hope I've not gathered it and deep changes are really advanced.

Ferguson as a municipality needs either to be disbanded or totally reloaded at minimum. It is not just a cop problem, it may not even really be a majority cop issue as they appear to have been tasked, severely pressed to squeeze the fuck out of the black community, and accountable if they didn't.
The corruption of the government seems to be the dog wagging the tail of the counter constitutional, racist, highly abusive police force.

It is really bad and completely toxic but the worst part is it isn't isolated to Ferguson but rather highlighted there, we as many of us have been saying the whole time have a national crisis here.
A crisis that I fear it is beyond unlikely anyone will seriously try to rectify beyond bandaid type measures to massage the situation, systematic reform having moved beyond the imagination much less the comfort zone of the upper classes and white Americans in general and the politicians in particular.

rladdi

(581 posts)
11. This shows what would happen if the GOP took control of the USA. They would make
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 09:20 AM
Mar 2015

slaves of the people, no matter what color we are. Why is Governor Nixon still in office, why don't the people march against him? And the GOP controlled states are a map of what the GOP would do to the nation if they got full control. Voters need to wake up to the mission of the GOP and a few conservative Democrats. Since the GOP has hijacked the elections in many states they will have control for a few years yet and the people must rebel against the GOP. Stand up to them. Don't let them make slaves of you.

TheKentuckian

(25,026 posts)
18. Nixon is a Democrat and I think you greatly underestimate how deep and wide these problems are.
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 09:41 AM
Mar 2015

As well as how long these problems have been festering and growing while massively overstating a partisan divide.

We have a fundamental national AMERICAN INSTITUTIONAL crisis here not a partisan issue with a few conservative on our side aiding the problems but rather a pervasive and largely nonpartisan clusterfuck.

Democrats are sometimes more responsive and present more of a beach head driven by greater diversity and constituencies that get them into office but I don't think we can declare our party to even mostly to not be a part of the problem at all.

No question the TeaPubliKlans need to be run out on a rail but this is wired in the national DNA it seems to me.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
36. Well to paraphrase a famous quote.
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 10:58 AM
Mar 2015

The fault is not in our DNA Kentuckian, but in our system.
We train the young to be that way.

Having said that I agree with all the rest.

TheKentuckian

(25,026 posts)
38. National DNA is not gene based but more of an analogy.
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 11:01 AM
Mar 2015

I think it reasonable describes why the young end up trained the wrong way.

TheKentuckian

(25,026 posts)
61. Hmmm...I think DNA can be altered and it will probably take at least as drastic
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 03:09 PM
Mar 2015

action to change allegory as it does fact in this case.

It is deep. Older than the nation it's self. There probably wouldn't be any nation without it and most of the history since founding has feed and/or fueled.

The issue is fundamental so must be the solutions.

sarge43

(28,941 posts)
12. Yes, the cops did monsterous things
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 09:21 AM
Mar 2015

The real monsters here are the suits who let them do it, encouraged them to do it. Firing every Ferguson cop isn't going to change a damn thing. Oh it will quiet down for a year or two, then business as usual. This corruption came from the top and nothing, apparently, will be done about it.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
14. There are actually people on this very board happy-dancing the clearance of Wilson
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 09:24 AM
Mar 2015

Even in the face of this (yes, separate) report, which essentially calls the Ferguson police and their enablers in the DAs office a violent racist street gang of armed extortionists.

The police in Ferguson were/are a violent racist street gang of armed extortionists.

That's the brass tacks here.

And it happens all over the country, in municipalities all over this country.

The depths of people's racism - even in supposedly liberal spaces - is truly unbelievable.

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
16. This is horrible
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 09:30 AM
Mar 2015

The racism is stomach churning. The violence is sickening.

There are communities throughout America that are being treated like this . And it is not just minorities who the cops.abuse. It's any community that is poor. It can be any group of people who have very few resources to defend themselves.

It's common in other countries too. It happens when there is NO democracy. It happens when the cops are no longer there to serve and protect citizens but to control citizens. It happens when citizen's votes do not count. It happens when inequality reigns.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
21. There are so many more just in the same region...
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 10:13 AM
Mar 2015

Jennings....St. Ann....Florissant.....Hazelwood....and on and on and on....

The heart weeps when you stop to realize that this is NOT just some isolated group of racists in a small town Missouri shithole. Its institutional and widespread and targets the vulnerable or marginalized exclusively.

I just cannot believe the pervasiveness of racist attitudes here in St. Louis, and no doubt across much of the nation. Online forums for the St. Louis Post-Dispatch are disgusting reservoirs of the most foul bile you can imagine. The fact that the community itself is filled with these kind of people is beyond depressing.

I have a hard time coming up with reasons to stay in the region and I am clearly not alone as the St. Louis region continues to hemorrhage population year after year...

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
35. Go away.
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 10:52 AM
Mar 2015

Keep up your stupid, irrelevant sarcastic cheering if it brings you joy.

Now say something really fucking stupid because you get the last word.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
46. Are you this rude in real life or do you just play a rude person hidden behind
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 12:01 PM
Mar 2015

the safe anonymity of your keyboard?

Ferguson is not an isolated occurence and the problem is not limited to Missouri. So my sarcasm is not irrelevant, save to provincial yahoos who think it's merely a Ferguson problem.

But whatever.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
24. wow
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 10:21 AM
Mar 2015
america.............. if not not now, when, if ever will the hate of difference of people without white skin be not seen as something worth hating. WHEN!!!! America the beautiful....right

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
29. Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Thank you, Rude.
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 10:29 AM
Mar 2015

This is enough to make you sick. Just imagine the stuff that didn't make the report, the stuff they covered up.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
31. KNR. And let's not forget the ticket racket.
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 10:36 AM
Mar 2015

The stories on Hayes and Maddow's shows last night also underlined the fact the FPD was (is?) essentially running a racket to squeeze tickets and other fines out of black residents. People without the means to fight false charges, held in a cycle of poverty and abuse because they can't fight back.

Meet the new hideous exploitation, much like the old hideous exploitation.

Jesus.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
37. Next memorial day I am going to have a new plaque to put on my civil war anscestors grave. Died
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 10:58 AM
Mar 2015

in vain.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
48. That is so sad. Although nothing I write can invalidate your feelings, I would merely
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 12:13 PM
Mar 2015

remind you of Lincoln's peroration in his Gettysburg Address:

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth." (Emphasis added)


We must, I think, dedicate ourselves anew to "the great task remaining before us."

But I understand your despair.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
50. Thank you for that reminder. It helps. I think one of the real sorrows is that it is not JUST
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 12:28 PM
Mar 2015

Ferguson MO. And that it is our police force that are supposed to be about enforcing the laws not enslaving our citizens based on color. Our police force should be as honorable as these civil war soldiers but they are not. Many of them are the opposite.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
52. I was so pissed off about this last fall that I was readying myself to travel
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 12:37 PM
Mar 2015

to Ferguson for what I'm not sure. My wife and a couple black friends talked me out of it. Just this sense that Mike Brown lost his life for nothing at all. Just this total waste of a life at the hands of people who, as you put it, are supposed to 'enforce the laws,' not make them up to feather their nests through tickets. And I remember all too well there were posters here who vociferously defended Wilson, the FPD, St. Louis County DA McCulloch and that whole rotten nest of vipers (and denigrated Brown by insinuation). Those people seem to have fallen strangely silent over the past 24 hours. But Michael Brown still awaits justice. I will not forget him any time soon.

mountain grammy

(26,626 posts)
41. This is the "official" report on Ferguson
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 11:10 AM
Mar 2015

but it's happening in America. Matt Taibbi and Rolling Stone has covered this:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-police-in-america-are-becoming-illegitimate-20141205

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/black-lives-matter-11-racist-police-killings-with-no-justice-served-20141204

Only whites have the power to change the system. This is, and always has been, our burden to bear, our greatest failure as a majority white nation. It is up to every white American citizen to end racism for once and for all. Putting cops like Darren Wilson away would be a start. Oh wait, that's not happening.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
49. some day soon, a group of people will converge on a cop pulling this shit..
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 12:25 PM
Mar 2015

and tear him limb from limb. there is going to be a flash point. fuck tha police.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
54. The chief of police and the command structure need to be fired. Then go back through the records.
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 12:49 PM
Mar 2015

Cops who were at the scene of any of these type of incidents should also be summarily fired. Weed and seed, get rid of most of the department, bring in new recruits - preferably more minority officers as well.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
77. In a nearby town, they simply disbanded the police department
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 10:46 PM
Mar 2015
Darren Wilson’s first job was on a troubled police force disbanded by authorities
By Carol D. Leonnig, Kimberly Kindy and Joel Achenbach August 23, 2014

FERGUSON, Mo. — The small city of Jennings, Mo., had a police department so troubled, and with so much tension between white officers and black residents, that the city council finally decided to disband it. Everyone in the Jennings police department was fired. New officers were brought in to create a credible department from scratch.

That was three years ago. One of the officers who worked in that department, and lost his job along with everyone else, was a young man named Darren Wilson.

Some of the Jennings officers reapplied for their jobs, but Wilson got a job in the police department in the nearby city of Ferguson.

On Aug. 9, Wilson, who is white, killed unarmed black teenager Michael Brown after Brown and a friend had been walking down the middle of a street.

More: http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/darren-wilsons-first-job-was-on-a-troubled-police-force-disbanded-by-authorities/2014/08/23/1ac796f0-2a45-11e4-8593-da634b334390_story.html


I would advocate to not only shut down some of these police departments but to also create a national database/registry of police officers so that their past offenses can be tracked. Far too often cops like Darren Wilson, or the man who shot Tamir Rice, bounce from department to department with little or no information about their past experience and transgressions carried forward.

The people in charge don't want to know this kind of thing, though. Even if the information were available, I would bet they would ignore it especially if the people applying had some sort of connection to them. Just look at how child molester priests, incompetent doctors, and even murderous nurses have been handled - they seem to be able to go from one place to another without their pasts following them.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
83. That would be a step towards addressing it
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 07:35 AM
Mar 2015

The policy of police departments in that county (maybe even statewide) is that when cops leave one precinct and go to work at a different one, they start fresh. Nothing negative is in their employment record because there is no requirement for it. Changing that would raise the ire of police unions. Politicians don't cross them.

raven mad

(4,940 posts)
58. Only here, it's the Alaska Natives.
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 02:15 PM
Mar 2015

Some of the most peace-abiding people of this universe.

I will never, ever be able to understand.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
60. I would like to see the legal volunteers who were at the protests
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 02:26 PM
Mar 2015

Come in and be advocates for the community. It would be amazing if there was some way to have a sort of protection force within the neighborhood. Not legal aide from outside or a bureaucracy, but people who lived there, laymen who studied the law and rights, people who could educate and assist. If we could help fund our kids to go to law school with the idea that they come back to live in the community such as they do on reservations, hell, if we even got together and bought the books so gifted students could read the law and make a plan, that would go a long way.

Because what abusive cops like nothing more is people who don't know their rights or how to exercise them. The public defenders are part of the corrupt judicial system and don't give a damn. But if you have organized as a community and whenever you see a police cruiser pull up, you surround them with cell phones recording and a community legal advocate speaking on your behalf, those fucking pigs would just slink away. And you work with a law firm that sues them to bankruptcy every time they step over the line. They have been working in the shadows too long. We need to police the police. They serve at our pleasure; we pay their salaries. They need to be accountable to the people they SERVE.

I hope Ferguson, the entire community gets together a massive class action lawsuit because every single person has been harmed by this situation. It sounds like the DoJ isn't going to get their hands dirty beyond perhaps dismantling the Ferguson PD. But the situation goes much, much deeper and the rot needs to be cleaned out.

KeepItReal

(7,769 posts)
65. Thank you for posting.
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 04:26 PM
Mar 2015

I can't say that all of this surprises me.

Even so, still I'm outraged, nevertheless, at each violation of the citizens of Ferguson and nationwide by these cops that might as well be knights of the Klu Klux Klan...with badges.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
66. I Intend To Read All Of It, Just Not At This Moment...
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 04:31 PM
Mar 2015

But I pretty much understood the "why" they could do nothing "federally." Unfortunately too many people will say FPD was right and will look no further. I live in FL, but for some strange reason know at least 4 families who come down here every year. All are Democrats and we are friends, but I CAN NOT talk to them about Ferguson. There are many racists in and around St. Louis, and it has NOTHING to do with being a D or an R!

I was shocked when we discussed it back when it began. Who knew? Two couples have bought houses on the same street as mine and they go back and forth. Actually there are 5 couples, but the other couple is much more understand and did buy a home further south in Englewood. They even told me stories of what FPD did, and some run ins even THEY had with them.

I live in a very RED County and our police are VERY political, but there are many VERY RICH people here, they favor them a lot. The rest of us try to stay aware. And I call my area a "white bread" area. We do have black, hispanics and other ethnic groups around, but not a very evident issue.

Unknown Beatle

(2,672 posts)
70. It seems that Holder never bring any charges
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 04:56 PM
Mar 2015

on anyone that matters. Wall Streeters nearly ruin the global economy, Holder doesn't do anything. Cops murdering innocent civilians, Holder doesn't do anything. But, dispense medicinal marijuana and Holder raids and jails the dispensers.

Euphoria

(448 posts)
78. This may be facetious but Ferguson PD seems like a successful business model
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 11:42 PM
Mar 2015

generating revenue, utilizing bullying techniques, no choices but to pay up...

This PD is disgusting and why has it been going on for so long?
What with the Feds do about it?
Will anyone in power take an ethical and moral stand? Where the h*(k is Gov. Nixon?

This has got to stop.

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