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RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 10:06 AM Mar 2015

Democrats Aren’t Rushing To Defend Hillary Clinton (National Journal)

Democrats Aren’t Rushing To Defend Hillary Clinton
3/4/2015

Everyone in Washington is talking about Hillary Clinton's use of a personal e-mail account during her four years as secretary of State and her homebrew computer server. Everyone, that is, except for many Senate Democrats.

As operatives, strategists and opposition research groups rush to her defense, some Washington Senate Democrats are remaining silent for the moment, saying they've been too busy with the week's packed schedule to be fully briefed on the crisis du jour.

Democrats have a difficult line to walk. They don't want to be seen hitting their strongest contender to keep the White House, but that does not mean they are rushing to shield her from criticism either. For more than a dozen senators, the easiest thing to do was to shrug off questions about Clinton's private e-mail or the fact she was running them through her own server.

"[I've] been busy with other things around here, like Prime Minister Netanyahu and ISIL and things like that," Sen. Ben Cardin of Maryland said on the way to a midday floor vote. "So I haven't looked at it yet."

Sen. Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts—who has built a reputation of rarely taking press questions in the hallway—kept her head down as she bristled through corridors of the Capitol basement with a crowd of reporters moving briskly to keep up.


Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand of New York asked "can we talk about it later? I have to go to my vote," she said before offering up a press staffer's name. Sen. Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota also said she was in a rush to get to votes.

A few—including Sens. Barbara Boxer, Chris Murphy and Tom Carper—came to Clinton's defense. It's not unusual for a secretary of State to use a personal email address, they said, and a law that only allows government officials to use private email accounts if they adhere to specified stipulations went into effect after Clinton left her cabinet post.

"I'd be surprised if a number of secretaries of State hadn't done that for as long as we've had email," Carper, of Delaware, said. "That's all I'm going to say."

...But most Senate Democrats who stopped to answer reporters' questions outside the Senate on Wednesday pleaded ignorance on the issue.

...And as Sen. Ron Wyden—a strong advocate for government transparency—headed toward the Senate office buildings, he said he was busy at the Supreme Court all Wednesday morning.

"I haven't had a chance to go through that. … I'm going to have to go onto health," as other reporters waited to ask their questions. "I just don't have time for that one," Wyden said, indicating the question could be revisited after he'd had more time to read the latest Clinton news....

http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/democrats-aren-t-rushing-to-defend-hillary-clinton-20150304
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Democrats Aren’t Rushing To Defend Hillary Clinton (National Journal) (Original Post) RiverLover Mar 2015 OP
More shit! leftofcool Mar 2015 #1
Its good to know what's being read by the public, isn't it? nt RiverLover Mar 2015 #7
The National Journal is a inside the beltway rag... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #13
If it's true. leftofcool Mar 2015 #17
Not their job, for one thing. ChairmanAgnostic Mar 2015 #2
LOL LOOK AT YOUR HEAD SPLODE Capt. Obvious Mar 2015 #3
It isn't their job to defend her. HappyMe Mar 2015 #4
how do you really feel about hillary? spanone Mar 2015 #5
I forgot his name but when Gerald Ford died this poste made a myriad of threads of how awful he was. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #8
I'm female & didn't know DU existed until I became active in Obama's 2008 campaign RiverLover Mar 2015 #12
I am not saying you are him...Just noting the exaggerated interest in one topic./NT DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #16
Ok. Please note~ RiverLover Mar 2015 #20
More Skinner... Bobbie Jo Mar 2015 #23
LOL@ Barbara Boxer.. Cha Mar 2015 #10
cause dems are spineless? Romeo.lima333 Mar 2015 #6
That's a nothing burger. Total," California's Boxer said. "There isn't one secretary of State that Cha Mar 2015 #9
Well, using personal email is one thing. Creating a NEW domain called "ClintonEmail.com" to do it? NYC_SKP Mar 2015 #11
a private server is more secure leftofcool Mar 2015 #19
Um, not if Sid Blumenthal is sending and receiving email from his AOL account. NYC_SKP Mar 2015 #21
Already did. leftofcool Mar 2015 #22
'..and my husband is in the computer security biz'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #29
Maybe, but most people have home servers set up by pros leftofcool Mar 2015 #31
Maybe where you live. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #37
Do you have state sponsered hackers constantly trying to hack you? DesMoinesDem Mar 2015 #33
National Journal: reliably Republican. BlueCaliDem Mar 2015 #14
Wow. No one was saying that when they published this Feb 9~ RiverLover Mar 2015 #24
Pitting one Democrat over the other? How Liberal of them. NOT. BlueCaliDem Mar 2015 #25
And Rand Paul didn't clap enthusiastically enough. Same made-up nonsense. randome Mar 2015 #15
Because it's all bullshit.... giftedgirl77 Mar 2015 #18
Could be a lot of reasons for that. How about because they may use personal email accounts still_one Mar 2015 #26
why should we? oldandhappy Mar 2015 #27
NBC: Hillary Clinton's Personal Email Use Differed RiverLover Mar 2015 #34
Oh my God!!! She differed!!!! HOW DARE SHE?!?! randome Mar 2015 #38
On Washington Journal this morning, the guy from the Sunshine Foundation said something even more Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #28
Let assume for the moment... sendero Mar 2015 #30
Thank you. RiverLover Mar 2015 #35
That's because this a nontroversy Adrahil Mar 2015 #32
Is Hillary unable to defend herself? Or, explain her actions? Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2015 #36

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
13. The National Journal is a inside the beltway rag...
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 10:21 AM
Mar 2015

The National Journal is a inside the beltway rag that self appointed members of the elite use to communicate with one another. It hardly is a periodical for the masses.

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
2. Not their job, for one thing.
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 10:10 AM
Mar 2015

For another, she better get ready to handle far more heat and flames if she really wants to run. Which I begin to doubt.

Finally, if she does run, dealing with such attacks will only make her stronger. If she runs.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
8. I forgot his name but when Gerald Ford died this poste made a myriad of threads of how awful he was.
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 10:16 AM
Mar 2015

It got to the point where Skinner interjected that there were a lot worse Republicans and he wasn't deserving of such treatment.


RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
12. I'm female & didn't know DU existed until I became active in Obama's 2008 campaign
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 10:21 AM
Mar 2015

with MoveOn.org

You guys crack me up. Conspiracies everywhere!

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
20. Ok. Please note~
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 10:28 AM
Mar 2015

Today, 4 MILLION Americans & 2 Great Dems demanded THIS from the EPA & the WH
http://www.democraticunderground.com/112781921

2 MILLION Facebook Views in a Week! How Elizabeth Warren Turns Boilerplate Viral (TIME)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12652917

Cha

(297,323 posts)
10. LOL@ Barbara Boxer..
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 10:19 AM
Mar 2015
"That's a nothing burger. Total," California's Boxer said. "There isn't one secretary of State that ever did that because the law didn't change until after she left, so they're making a mountain out of a molehill."

spanone

Cha

(297,323 posts)
9. That's a nothing burger. Total," California's Boxer said. "There isn't one secretary of State that
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 10:18 AM
Mar 2015
because the law didn't change until after she left, so they're making a mountain out of a molehill."
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
11. Well, using personal email is one thing. Creating a NEW domain called "ClintonEmail.com" to do it?
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 10:19 AM
Mar 2015

And hosting it yourself at a private residence on private servers???

Well, that's just a whole different dimension.

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
19. a private server is more secure
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 10:27 AM
Mar 2015

We have had ours for 10 years and it has never been hacked and my husband is in the computer security biz so hackers would love to get to him and read his emails.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
21. Um, not if Sid Blumenthal is sending and receiving email from his AOL account.
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 10:36 AM
Mar 2015

There are two sides to every email conversation and security at one end doesn't insure total security.

Ask your husband about that.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
29. '..and my husband is in the computer security biz'.
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 11:58 AM
Mar 2015

I think that might be why you've never been hacked.

Many of the people who set up home servers aren't in the computer security biz, and don't know how to really button everything up tightly.

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
31. Maybe, but most people have home servers set up by pros
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 12:03 PM
Mar 2015

There are companies that do just that...............not the Geek Squad.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
37. Maybe where you live.
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 02:39 PM
Mar 2015

Here in flyover country, my home setup is more secure than those of most of the small businesses in town, and I'm not even a security guy. Sure, I had a masters in systems, but I spent my paid career in IT mostly doing coding and database, with only self-taught knowledge on security, mainly because I was the one making sure our servers met the standards for doing credit card work and passed the quarterly tests. Most people around here, for home or actual small businesses are just getting things set up by 'Geek Squad' equivalents. They're 'pros' only in that they get paid for their work, not because they're security specialists.

 

DesMoinesDem

(1,569 posts)
33. Do you have state sponsered hackers constantly trying to hack you?
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 12:05 PM
Mar 2015

No? Your anecdote is irrelevant and in no way proves your claim that 'a private server is more secure'.
We've never been hacked therefore private servers are more secure than the State Department!

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
14. National Journal: reliably Republican.
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 10:22 AM
Mar 2015

Why would I, as a Democrat, take anything these Republican shills have to "report" seriously again?

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
24. Wow. No one was saying that when they published this Feb 9~
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 11:20 AM
Mar 2015

Clinton's Greatest Political Strength May Be Hiding in Plain Sight
Early polls find Clinton improving substantially over Obama's lackluster 2012 performance among a key voting demographic.


http://www.nationaljournal.com/next-america/newsdesk/clinton-s-greatest-political-strength-may-be-hiding-in-plain-sight-20150209

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
25. Pitting one Democrat over the other? How Liberal of them. NOT.
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 11:30 AM
Mar 2015

Again, National Journal is as reliably Republican as Breitbart - just not as in-your-face. Liberals know this. Why is it news to you?

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
15. And Rand Paul didn't clap enthusiastically enough. Same made-up nonsense.
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 10:22 AM
Mar 2015

[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesn’t always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one you’re already in.
[/center][/font][hr]

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
18. Because it's all bullshit....
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 10:27 AM
Mar 2015

What is this your third fucking post of the morning on this shit? We get it you're not a Hillary fan & no matter what occurs you will ensure that it appears to be the most horrible despicable thing ever to occur.

still_one

(92,220 posts)
26. Could be a lot of reasons for that. How about because they may use personal email accounts
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 11:42 AM
Mar 2015

themselves for government correspondence perhaps.

I wonder if any Congress person used their smart phone to send personal email related to government business

If they want a witch hunt for Hillary, I suggest we do a witch hunt for everyone in government, and expose anyone who used a personal email account for government work.

I know that there a Congressional critters who use twitter accounts when they are working on their jobs, and frankly if a twitter account is allowed on a government computer wouldn't be a security breech?

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
27. why should we?
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 11:56 AM
Mar 2015

1. The media is taking care of the story. Until the next so called scandal comes along. In a few days other information will surface -- predictable pattern.

2. Kerry is the first secretary of state to use a gov. email. So the 'shock' should include ALL previous SOS folk.

3. yawn.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
38. Oh my God!!! She differed!!!! HOW DARE SHE?!?!
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 02:43 PM
Mar 2015

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
28. On Washington Journal this morning, the guy from the Sunshine Foundation said something even more
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 11:56 AM
Mar 2015

shocking that might explain this silence.

Members of Congress are not covered by any of this - they are free to simply DESTROY any and all of their correspondence while in office. They don't have to archive anything.

I think a major reform in 'transparency' and allowing sunshine into governmental actions would be to extend requirements similar to current requirements to all of Congress and their staffs. Maybe put a one year delay in allowing that info to be accessed by the public by FOIA.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
30. Let assume for the moment...
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 12:03 PM
Mar 2015

.. that the broad details of the allegations made are true (which I believe they are and I also believe that is why no one approached wants to talk about it).

If a Republican did this you'd all be screaming bloody murder. But since it was "your" guy it's all smears, not important, government transparency is not possible, etc, etc, etc.

See why I don't trust the judgment of many people here? I want ACTUAL INTEGRITY in government not presumed integrity because it was someone on my team.

If you cheerleaders want to do some good, come up with a rationale that excuses this, stop trying to act like everything is lies only when its against your guy.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
35. Thank you.
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 12:12 PM
Mar 2015

This isn't some made up smear by the RW, this is something that looks really bad because it is really bad.

I want ACTUAL INTEGRITY in government not presumed integrity because it was someone on my team.




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