He should make a great addition to the race.

can get excited about!

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This website has been a single page for a month now. It just turned into a full campaign site this morning. Not for Senate but since he hasn't announced I guess it's for "nothing" right now

that has an address in Panama. A Whois for my websites say the Bahamas, because that's where the privacy protection is located.

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Everyone should use privacy protection. Especially someone like Sanders.

This is suspicious.

Running an ISP in your spare bedroom and sending sensitive diplomatic emails from it.

They're taking donations so they should be totally upfront about what they're doing. In any case, domain registration has zero to do with the Hillary thing. It's apples and oranges.

And Bernie.org, which is run by the same organization as berniesanders.com claims to be run by, does not use domain anonymization and is totally upfront about who they are. So why would this other site want to be anonymous?

Interesting that one of DU's most vocal supporters of Hillary Clinton is one of the first to swoop down and cast aspersions on the Friends of Bernie site.

for someone who is likely running (if at all ) against a Democratic Candidate?....and who is advertising their volunteerism for the said non Democratic Candidate?

love affair with Clinton either.

another day at DU when a possible Democratic candidate is vilified and a non Democratic candidate is revered.

Good going!!!!

is closer to declaring to run as a Democrat than your "possible Democratic candidate".

The country needs a progressive candidate to save what's left of the middle and lower classes.

but what's a day at DU without controversy!

stampeded into voting for the Corporatists choice and are looking for someone else. We all know that if Sen Sanders runs, he will run as a Democrat. I hope that helps.

shouldn't it be name something broader that encompasses your love for non Dem presidents?

Sanders is not currently a Dem and therefore shouldn't be parlayed as such. IF and when he switches party, you'd have something to crow about. Until then, you appear to be promoting a non Dem candidtate.

As for the corporatist baloney...we don't even know yet who is running or primarying on the DEM ticket...yet you are running with Sanders...good god.

If you're just not in to Sen. Sanders then just avoid the posts with his name in the title. Sanders has always caucused with the Dems, and he's more of a Dem by virtue of his politics and voting record than Hillary is. I don't think you are going to convert any Sanders supporters to Hillary just because YOU don't think he's enough of a Democrat.

Democrats are tired of only being allowed to vote for Corporatist puppets, and I think Bernie is just the right kind of Democrat to help us break this cycle. You're welcome to keep supporting Wall Streets candidates, but many of us have other plans.

We must free ourselves from corporate rule. Don't you agree?

...they're concerned about the support a NON-Democrat is getting here on Democratic Underground.

On the other hand, why is Sanders playing games and possibly being a "candidate", yet he can't even say under what affiliation that candidacy will be?

It's getting a little tiring.

The NON-Democrat will run in the Democratic primaries or that support will fade away. Here at least.

The NON-Democrat seems to adhere to many, many core Democratic values. Many DUers hold to those same values.

I don't know why I bother to explain this to you. You know this already. You just don't like the left.

because of his principles. In fact many progressives say that Sen Sanders' principles are more Democratic than a lot of "so-called" Democrats. Until Sen Sanders declares he is running for President as an independent, progressives are free to support him.

The Corporatist Conservatives among us are upset by that. They want HRC and the continuation of the status quo.

Those Corporatist Conservatives need to worry, the Populist Movement is real and will defeat the Wall Street candidates.

Hillary is still playing games about "possibly being a candidate", or can you direct me to the link where she has declared her candidacy? Is that getting a little tiring to you as well?

And this is the USA and our election so why is a Canadian trying to tell us what we can and can't support and who is or isn't a 'true' democrat? I say that because you seem to be flying a Canadian flag....not because I'm against hearing opinions from people outside the U.S., but because you are so contentious.

I was imitating you!

I'm a liberal democrat, have always been a liberal democrat and I want to be represented in the Democratic Party.....I refuse to vote for another third way democrat, ever!

We are in danger of having everything we love and care about go sideways in so many ways. This coming election may be our last chance to make some very important corrections in this country.

You have your opinion, and I have mine. You have your reasons and I have mine. You have your priorities and I have mine. I'm not sure anymore what the party stands for, but I know what I want.

Beyond that I want Bernie to run. I want him out there speaking up for the things that matter to me in his unique, clear, honest voice.

Run Bernie, run!

I have voted in EVERY Presidential election since 1968. I admit that I erred in 1968, but since have voted for McGovern, Carter, Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, Clinton, Clinton, Gore, Kerry, Obama and Obama.

This belies your snarky assumption about me and the other comments. If you were correct, I couldn't have voted for any of those candidates.

You want to express your opinion, which is fine, but you also seem to want to suppress others in the expression of their opinions, which is not fine.

Have a good day

Who's afraid ? It's not like he's going to win or anything. It might make for greater entertainment, that's all.

As far as "corporatism" goes, I want things to be run by those who are competent to run them. I have very little confidence in that regard for those who are opposed to "corporatism". I won't be voting for Sanders.

... ready for Hillary. "Corporatism" is one of those vauge smear words, like "neo-liberal", which don't realy mean anything other than "I dispise you and disagree with you."

I am supportive of modern, industrial, liberal democracy, which is very dependent on large, for-profit, limited liability corporate organizations run and managed by technocrates who have expertise, experience and competence in their fields. In the context of a liberal democracy, this has proven to be the most economically successful and humaine social order. IMHO.

As a technical term, rather than a smear word, "corporatism "actually means something like democratic socialism. Which is sort of ironic. I refer you to the Wikipedia article:

...of the '50s and '60s threw around the words "communist" and "communism" or the right wing even today throw around "socialist" and "socialism".

You don't fool me for one second.

you dare tell anyone that they don't belong? what fucking prince(ss) of what fucking nation do you think you are?

... One of those picture where you can put put in a phrase like "If You Think (blah blah blah), well you can... " With "GO BACK TO CANADA" as the tag line.

We all know what corporatism means in today's context.

I am against any politician that excuses socially irresponsible corporate behavior. We are immersed in socially irresponsible corporate behavior.

Some Democratic office holders have been enablers of this corporate behavior that has cost middle class Americans their standard of living. We call these Third Way, DLC and DINOs (Democrats in name only). We know who they are.

I have heard your arguments before. I know where they came from. I know what your rhetoric is designed to accomplish.

So bug off.

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You mean Go Back to Canada? Sorry, no can do.

The context in which corporatism means something akin to democratic socialism is (as I stated) a narrow, technical one - but it is entirely contemporary. In the non-technical usage that is prevelent on DU it's just a smear word... just a way of saying I'm right you're wrong without anything in the way of a substantial argument or reason.

And I think it is safe to say we are all against socially irresponsible behavior, corporate or otherwise. Who isn't?

A concept of corporatism that is not embraced by the third way political philosophy. The multinationals that are writing Hillary's views on free trade follow a vision much more akin to "Italian Corporatism"

Your post reminds me of the fascist apologia of the early thirties best expressed by the 1932

"Doctrine of Fascism"

... does indeed, in the narrow, technical sense, belong within the sphere of "corporatism" and "guild socialism" other such authoritarian, overly collectivist political doctrines. What is your point?

The usage of the term "neoliberal" as a smear term is eluded to in the Wikipedia excerpt you provide, and in the paragraph that follows it:

... it's nothing but a smear. It's a smear used from the left toward the center. It's just a way of pejoratively labeling someone a radical right-winger, an Reaganite or a Thatcherite. About the same as "DINO" and maybe a bit less crude than "Turd Wayer".

The funny thing is, I've had libertarian followers of Hayek and Friedman call dismiss me as a "neoliberal".

But, you know, a REAL MAN would just come right out and tell me to "BUG OFF" and "GO BACK TO CANADA".

If the term bothers you I can only conclude it hit a nerve, good luck with that, and goodnight.

DU is overflowing with paid disruptors and sockpuppets. They have been instructed to moderate criticism directed toward corporatists, Third Way and the DLC.

Their mission is to muddy the water, confuse and disrupt the discussion.

You know it, and I know it.

That acts like a Dem should act.

Some are


While others are

a coronation of hillary clinton, argument fail.
if he runs, it will be as a dem.

1. The site is registered in Panama, according to WHOIS

2. Do you really imagine that the campaign website would be launched without a formal announcement of a campaign or exploratory committee? Or at a minimum, a rumor that a launch was imminent.

Friends of Bernie Sanders
PO Box 391
Burlington, VT 05402
(802) 862-1505

http://www.bernie.org/

and, www.bernie.org is Sanders' SENATE campaign website.

is identified at that website I just posted. I think you may be over-reacting.

Perhaps Ralph Nadar?

...and it hasn't.

This will be his Presidential campaign website.

The company that made the website is in NY. Maybe you should learn a few things about traceroute before embarrassing yourself like that again.

SO, when I see you get pissed at people over HRC I will link to this post so people can see what a huge hypocrite you are!

Have a great day!

...and my apologies if I was suspicious given 1) the page isn't loading on my computer (on either browser) and 2) it's STILL NOT HIS PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN page. Seriously, no Presidential candidate takes their Senate page and uses it for a Presidential run. When he is ready, they'll grab a new name (if they haven't parked it already) and launch that. Add to that, no candidate launched a Presidential page until and unless they're ready to launch a formal campaign or exploratory committee.

Looks like the site is a bust.


Oh well, back to indifference.

Now it is!

Yay! Go Bernie!

The site is affiliated with Friends of Bernie. Website here: http://www.bernie.org/

On January 20th the Friends of Bernie Twitter account, which is verified by Twitter (the blue checkmark), tweeted out "Join the movement: http://berniesanders.com."

Since then they have tweeted out that website multiple times. Friends of Bernie also has over 200,000 friends on Facebook.

Not at all surprised.

This is not welcome news for the Third Way "democrats" and their devotees.

And claims to bundle several thousands more with his politician investor/partners on the investment in access as well, he stands to lose quite a bit if he can't get a little somethin' for his trouble and his chosen product in office.

I must admit, I find that surprising, I would have thought you'd prefer Hillary considering the champagne crowd you run with.
I have misjudged you and I believe you are correct that those two are not purchasable like the corporate boot-licks I was referring to.

i may set up meetings with like-minded people and candidates I support, but what they do is entirely up to them.

2. I will indeed be supporting Hillary Clinton. My point about Warren and Grayson was that I've been happy to support them in their legislative races, despite the gratuitous insults that get thrown my way.

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I signed on to the website. They will have at least one supporter in TX.

Signed up and donated. OK, I think I might be able to get excited about an upcoming election....for the first time in my voting history.

HAPPY DANCE!!


Sanders 2016 Sounds Fine To Me
President Sanders Sounds Even Better

Just collecting email and money.

....about being a "possible presidential candidate" on the "Events" page. No other mention anywhere else. He could very well wind up running again for Senator (he's due in 2018)

Here in District 1 in Connecticut, John Larson has been campaigning and collecting money almost steadily for years. He'll never lose this district (just as I think Sanders would never lose his seat in Vermont), but he has one of the largest war chests of any Congressman in the country.

What does he do with the money? He sends it to dozens of candidates around the country. For a while I was sending him money thinking it was for HIS campaign, but then realized that I was getting requests for money almost weekly and then found out he wasn't even using much of the money for other candidates in Connecticut.

That site says at the bottom "Paid for by Friends of Bernie Sanders".

That organization already has a website, http://bernie.org and the whois information shows that it was registered by "Friends of Bernie Sanders". It collects donations.
https://who.godaddy.com/whoisstd.aspx?domain=bernie.org&prog_id=GoDaddy&k=oQ7KdxcxWlKHIGkg3+ts+PLn8FNzGUbkXbF7zD3FFJIpTQj06rjuCIkyd2jcdcRB

The site you're linking to was registered by an anonymous registration service in Panama.
https://who.godaddy.com/whoisstd.aspx?domain=berniesanders.com&prog_id=GoDaddy&k=fugZBiqcFzRkpmD3uvqWv%2fRAvIxuiBvmYx8OP%2f4+cE2zGA3+MhMt5+gE7aKyOZSP
Why would "Friends of Bernie Sanders" want to hide who registered the domain berniesanders.com when they were very open about their registration of bernie.org?

I smell scam. Why have two sites, both of which take money, and one of which hides behind an anonymous registration service?

and a suggestion from my computer security not to continue to the site.

Did you see my post #45? I'm smelling a scam here. I can't prove it, but this doesn't make sense.

... than anyone else out there. In my world, that's far more important than which freakin' color jersey he wears.

Policies trump party, every time.

Has that changed?

Another one that thinks condescending insults are the way to build support.

Isn't that special?

You sound very angry. Please don't harm me.

... he can't get the Democratic Party nomination unless he's a Democrat. Has that changed?

The truth hurts.

donation made

It's adorable that you assume this donation will actually make it's way to the direct expenses of Sanders bid for POTUS.

I suspect that there are other expenses that are slated for these donations. Beemers don't just land in your driveway for no good reason, ya know?

Senator Sanders caucuses with us and actively supports our party platform by his actions. When he speaks, it's often in support of the highest ideals of the Democratic party.
He doesn't betray us, or embarrass us. On the contrary, our reputation as a party is burnished by having him associated with us.
Senator Sanders has a credibility and appeal that is an asset to us.
I see no downside to the rising popularity of Sanders.

particularly by credit card. No legitimate campaign site would hide behind a Panama registrar. The contacts for the site are concealed. Iffy.

then anyone trying to cast suspicion on the website will be showing their true colors at that point.

corporatist authoritarians are running scared.