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TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 01:48 AM Mar 2015

Telling States To Ignore Federal Laws Is Tantamount To Sedition Or Encouraging Insurrection.

When a public official publicly tells states that they should ignore federal law and probably the federal court orders it looks like sedition or encouraging insurrection. This kind of backlash towards recent gay marriage is a dangerous precedent for the country. The last time this sort of thing happened federal troops were sent to end segregation. In 1860 it led to full blown civil war.

The question is where does this nonsense stop. Where does this madness all go after the LGBT gay marriage backlash. What other laws will be ignored. And what about laws telling the law to arrest people approving marriage licenses. Or telling states to arrest federal authorities who enforce legitimate federal laws laws in individual states. The recent Bundy incident is actually insurrection and the feds had a right to take them by force in necessary.

Things are getting out of hand and anyone who tells the states to ignore the federal government should be sanctioned or forced to resign.

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Telling States To Ignore Federal Laws Is Tantamount To Sedition Or Encouraging Insurrection. (Original Post) TheMastersNemesis Mar 2015 OP
I see where you are going but what about states that dilby Mar 2015 #1
Laws against cannabis are unjust and based on lies.They hurt people. kestrel91316 Mar 2015 #3
plenty (although an ever decreasing number) of people would disagree Warren Stupidity Mar 2015 #10
True Enough But Conservatives Would Side With The Feds On Marijuana Legalization. TheMastersNemesis Mar 2015 #4
Different situation..... Adrahil Mar 2015 #11
Yes. Problems all over this. elleng Mar 2015 #2
They are violating the terms that allowed them to be readmitted LiberalFighter Mar 2015 #5
Yes, they are. elleng Mar 2015 #6
I blame Lincoln it is all his fault acutally anotojefiremnesuka Mar 2015 #9
As in the case of Missouri they wrote a Law making Federal Law illegal. gordianot Mar 2015 #7
There is a whole lot of case law treestar Mar 2015 #8
They need to drag the Alabama Supreme court justices out of their ivory tower in chains William769 Mar 2015 #12
Republicans are no more the "law and order" Party than they Viva_Daddy Mar 2015 #13
Article VI Bobcat Mar 2015 #14

dilby

(2,273 posts)
1. I see where you are going but what about states that
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 01:51 AM
Mar 2015

Are going against federal law with legalized marijuana?

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
3. Laws against cannabis are unjust and based on lies.They hurt people.
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 01:59 AM
Mar 2015

The same cannot be said of laws prohibiting persecution of gays.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
10. plenty (although an ever decreasing number) of people would disagree
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 08:32 AM
Mar 2015

on both counts. They believe the horseshit drug war propaganda about pot and believe the horseshit theocratic propaganda about gays.

It isn't sedition or insurrection, that is just hyperbole. It could become either if taken to an extreme, which is not likely to happen.

The real difference is that cannabis prohibition seems to have a perhaps addressable 10th amendment/commerce clause conflict that could be settled in the courts in favor of the states, while gay rights are within the domain of the 14th amendment - we all have all the same rights at a national, not a state, level.

 

TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
4. True Enough But Conservatives Would Side With The Feds On Marijuana Legalization.
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 02:01 AM
Mar 2015

They would tell the state to stop selling. There would be an inconsistency on the matter of LGBT marriage right where the feds allow gay marriage and the states do not. The LGBT question is about civil right and equal protection. Marijuana legalization does not fall in that particular arena. I can see the conflict with marijuana.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
11. Different situation.....
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 08:50 AM
Mar 2015

The canabis laws are about STATE criminality. State laws do not change a Federal law. If the FBI or DEA wanted to arrest people on Federal Charges, they could.

The Federal law does not require the states to criminalize canabis.

 

anotojefiremnesuka

(198 posts)
9. I blame Lincoln it is all his fault acutally
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 05:38 AM
Mar 2015

Rep. Thaddeus Stevens and General William Tecumseh Sherman both advised President Lincoln on what it would take to really end slavery and defeat the South, Lincoln chose a different path that has been proven time and time again for over 150 years to be a failure and we are still living with Lincoln’s screw up today.

gordianot

(15,243 posts)
7. As in the case of Missouri they wrote a Law making Federal Law illegal.
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 04:56 AM
Mar 2015

As in banning BATF from operating in Missouri. Governor Jay Dixon.. (of Ferguson MO fame) vetoed that law. That was sedition

treestar

(82,383 posts)
8. There is a whole lot of case law
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 04:59 AM
Mar 2015

on the relationship between the federal government and state governments.

This sounds like the failure to obey the law after Brown v. Board of Education, where the national guard has to be invoked. As a practical matter, it is a bit tougher, since forcing them to let children go to school is easier than making them perform a gay marriage. They would need the help of what few people there are in the state who are for it. It's a very red state but there must be someone in favor of gay marriage who would cooperate with the feds to enforce the law.

William769

(55,147 posts)
12. They need to drag the Alabama Supreme court justices out of their ivory tower in chains
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 08:54 AM
Mar 2015

For all to see & let it be know that this will not be tolerated.

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