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Arcadiasix

(255 posts)
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 12:11 AM Mar 2015

Mother, baby found dead in Millvale apartment (Mom OD, Baby Died of Dehydration)

William Gonzalez is haunted by the cries of a 9-month-old boy who, with no one to feed or care for him, died alone near the body of his mother inside their Millvale apartment.

Sara Elaine Kessler, 22, probably died in bed more than a week ago in the apartment on the second floor of the Chrismar Apartments building on Butler Street, said James Morton, Allegheny County Police assistant superintendent.

Her son, Casey Kessler, died on the living room floor sometime later, Morton said. Kessler and the baby lived alone, and the other second-floor apartments are vacant, Morton said.

“This baby seemed like he was struggling because there was no source of food or anything,” Morton said. “There is no sign of foul play, nothing suspicious.”

http://triblive.com/mobile/7915049-96/baby-died-kessler

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Mother, baby found dead in Millvale apartment (Mom OD, Baby Died of Dehydration) (Original Post) Arcadiasix Mar 2015 OP
This is perhaps the saddest fuckin thing... GReedDiamond Mar 2015 #1
Prayers sent Arcadiasix Mar 2015 #2
May they rest in peace. In_The_Wind Mar 2015 #3
Interesting choice of an OP title Revanchist Mar 2015 #4
The baby died of dehydration most likely Arcadiasix Mar 2015 #6
I'm talking about the mother, not the child Revanchist Mar 2015 #9
She was a good mother? Ilsa Mar 2015 #5
Better yet not use Arcadiasix Mar 2015 #7
The actual COD might be quite different Warpy Mar 2015 #10
A father is necessary why? Lancero Mar 2015 #12
then why have sex? or children? if you just want to live life for yourself. the kid is dead, so ND-Dem Mar 2015 #15
So women can't have sex because they want to, or have a child because they want one? Lancero Mar 2015 #16
you said these people wanted to live life for themselves. that would seem to exclude having ND-Dem Mar 2015 #18
Women can still do that without having to have a man playing apart in their lives... Lancero Mar 2015 #20
"living life for oneself" would seem to exclude more than men. in particular, children. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #21
So you support that sexist ideal? Lancero Mar 2015 #22
wtf? living life "for oneself" excludes others, period. nothing to do with men in particular. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #24
You're right, no woman needs support of any type Warpy Mar 2015 #25
Free country Snow Leopard Mar 2015 #31
So fathers are superfluous? Ilsa Mar 2015 #32
if you'd read the article, you'd know they don't know what she died of. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #13
How terribly sad. Beacool Mar 2015 #8
Baby died from disconnect... Historic NY Mar 2015 #11
Your post was alerted on, and here are the results: CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2015 #14
I was not the one who alerted. Revanchist Mar 2015 #17
I didn't say it was you... CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2015 #19
I didn't think you did but wanted to clarify it for anyone reading the thread Revanchist Mar 2015 #23
How very sad. I grew up in the town next to Millvale (Etna), and my grandfather, napi21 Mar 2015 #26
Terrible story daredtowork Mar 2015 #27
This is extremely sad. But... dballance Mar 2015 #28
It speaks to the lack of community in our country. Divernan Mar 2015 #30
Neighbor repeatedly heard child crying - did nothing. What about YOU? Divernan Mar 2015 #29

Revanchist

(1,375 posts)
4. Interesting choice of an OP title
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 12:23 AM
Mar 2015
Dottie Knaus said she was angry at comments made by strangers on social media after hearing media reports that her cousin may have died of an overdose.

“We were assured by county detectives that it's not 100 percent how she died. We were told it could have been an overdose, it could have been some health problem,” Knaus said.


I guess you have psychic powers and already know for certain that the cause of death was a drug overdose.

Arcadiasix

(255 posts)
6. The baby died of dehydration most likely
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 12:34 AM
Mar 2015

You can live about 3 minute without air
You can live 3 days with out water
You can live Three days without food

90% chance lack of H2O killed him

Revanchist

(1,375 posts)
9. I'm talking about the mother, not the child
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 12:45 AM
Mar 2015

By your title you have already decided that it was an overdose, contrary to the article which states that her cause of death has yet to be determined. By posting that she died of an overdose, you are including unsubstantiated information that will likely taint the opinion of those who reply to your post, especially if they only go by the snippet of information you provided and didn't read the article.

I almost responded before I read the article because I was assuming you were being truthful in you title. You were not and we will not know the cause of death util the autopsy. In the interest of truthful disclosure I think you should remove the OD reference from the title until all the facts have been disclosed.

Ilsa

(61,698 posts)
5. She was a good mother?
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 12:24 AM
Mar 2015

That's what they are saying about her? If she died from an OD, then, no, I wouldn't put her in that category. If she was using, she should have made sure that someone was caring for her child while she was using or getting help. It sounded like she had loved ones.

Arcadiasix

(255 posts)
7. Better yet not use
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 12:36 AM
Mar 2015

I've got kids I would never do anything like use drugs around them. I love them and want to be there for them.

Warpy

(111,352 posts)
10. The actual COD might be quite different
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 12:46 AM
Mar 2015

than a guess by somebody else in the building. She might have shared her mom's seizure disorder. She might have suffered sudden cardiac death. She might have fallen in the bathroom and died of a slow intercranial bleed. There are a lot of possibilities.

It's just sad that she was alone with an infant.

Where the hell was the baby's father in all this?

Lancero

(3,015 posts)
12. A father is necessary why?
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 01:42 AM
Mar 2015

Might come as a surprise, but single parents are a thing - Despite society trying to force the view of a man and a woman, some people are deciding to live life for themselves, rather then what society says is 'proper'.

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
15. then why have sex? or children? if you just want to live life for yourself. the kid is dead, so
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 01:52 AM
Mar 2015

living life for oneself didn't work out too well. or did, maybe, depending on how defined.

Lancero

(3,015 posts)
16. So women can't have sex because they want to, or have a child because they want one?
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 01:56 AM
Mar 2015

The sooner the world realizes that women can be independent from men the better. It's a old ideal that is long since obsolete, at this point all it's doing it holding the world back.

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
18. you said these people wanted to live life for themselves. that would seem to exclude having
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 02:03 AM
Mar 2015

sex and children.

I don't think that it adds one bit to human happiness to have people isolated and 'living life for themselves'.

this article is a case in point.

Lancero

(3,015 posts)
20. Women can still do that without having to have a man playing apart in their lives...
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 02:10 AM
Mar 2015

It's a sexist ideal that women have to have a man playing some part in their lives to be happy.

Warpy

(111,352 posts)
25. You're right, no woman needs support of any type
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 03:35 AM
Mar 2015

no matter how many kids she has. She just goes out and picks money off the trees in the back yard and shoulders 100% of the responsibility without breaking a sweat. Everybody chooses to do that. The kids' father buggering off has nothing to do with it.

Ilsa

(61,698 posts)
32. So fathers are superfluous?
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 08:31 PM
Mar 2015

If the other parent wants to be there, that's great. Another adult to learn from. And they should WANT to be there, too. And then two parents are better than one.

Beacool

(30,253 posts)
8. How terribly sad.
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 12:43 AM
Mar 2015

Her mother died in November. Now the young mother and her baby are dead too. So much loss for one family to bear.

May the three rest in peace.

Historic NY

(37,453 posts)
11. Baby died from disconnect...
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 01:32 AM
Mar 2015

family . friends, neighbors, no one willing to pickup the phone or bang on the door. The war on drugs mifght be a failure but scumbags still sell them for profit...even if the profit is a body count.

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,712 posts)
14. Your post was alerted on, and here are the results:
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 01:51 AM
Mar 2015

I was Juror #5. I thought you might like to see how it went.

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Mother, baby found dead in Millvale apartment (Mom OD, Baby Died of Dehydration)
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ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Unnecessary slanting in the topic title - The article outright says that no autopsy has been done and that they don't know what caused her death, so OP's choice to label it as a overdose is suspect.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Mar 6, 2015, 09:44 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

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Revanchist

(1,375 posts)
17. I was not the one who alerted.
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 02:02 AM
Mar 2015

I laid out the reasons of why I think the title is misleading and that it is engaging in speculation on the author's part but in the seven years I've been here I might have alerted on one post, tops. I always find it better to engage in conversation than silence. If a post is extremely heinous, a assume that someone else has already submitted an alert.

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,712 posts)
19. I didn't say it was you...
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 02:05 AM
Mar 2015

I don't care who did alert.

I just thought that the OP would like to see how it worked out.

Revanchist

(1,375 posts)
23. I didn't think you did but wanted to clarify it for anyone reading the thread
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 02:34 AM
Mar 2015

My objections to the wording might lead some to think that I was the guilty party and since you posted the results I just added my response to you post.

Be well

napi21

(45,806 posts)
26. How very sad. I grew up in the town next to Millvale (Etna), and my grandfather,
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 03:56 AM
Mar 2015

Uncle and another Aunt and Uncle lived in Millvale. That was a long time ago. Thingss must have changed a lot since then. When I lived there, everybody knew everybody else, and kept an eye out for each other. If someone wasn't seen for even several hours, a neighbor or friend would check to find out why. Something like that would NEVER have happened. It's really too bad those days are gone.

daredtowork

(3,732 posts)
27. Terrible story
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 04:16 AM
Mar 2015

I'd like to agree the title should be changed, though. It's unfair to stigmatize the mother as a drug user before anyone knows what happened. The longer the title stays like that with comments already asking for the title to be changed, the more it seems like exploiting a horrible story for clickbait.

 

dballance

(5,756 posts)
28. This is extremely sad. But...
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 04:18 AM
Mar 2015

How does this relate to anything on a board such as DU?

I can find nothing in the story or your post to suggest ways to fix this issue.

Please do not post these horrible stories on an political board.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
30. It speaks to the lack of community in our country.
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 04:55 AM
Mar 2015

Just as when DUers posts about their personal health, employment, financial, etc., issues - there's really only a single degree of separation of such posts from the "polity", which is defined as:

Polity Definition
dictionary.search.yahoo.com

n. noun

1. The form of government of a nation, state, church, or organization.
2. An organized society, such as a nation, having a specific form of government.

For those of us who have been on DU from the beginning, there is a sense of personal connection between and among many of the posters. We are not a sterile, academic discussion board. The fact that someone has died unnoticed for a week (and in an apartment building, not some remote cabin in the woods), speaks to the dysfunctional isolation in our "modern" world and is a topic worthy of discussion. Certainly of value.

For whom the bell tolls
(No man is an island) by John Donne

No man is an island,
Entire of itself.
Each is a piece of the continent,
A part of the main.
If a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less.
As well as if a promontory were.
As well as if a manor of thine own
Or of thine friend's were.
Each man's death diminishes me,
For I am involved in mankind.
Therefore, send not to know
For whom the bell tolls,
It tolls for thee.


These famous words by John Donne were not originally written as a poem - the passage is taken from the 1624 Meditation 17, from Devotions Upon Emergent Occasions and is prose.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
29. Neighbor repeatedly heard child crying - did nothing. What about YOU?
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 04:28 AM
Mar 2015

There's a valuable lesson here for all of us. We need to keep in closer contact with our family members and neighbors who live alone. And if you hear a child (or anyone) crying, for god's sake, check it out.

When my Mom was elderly and living alone in another city, I checked in by phone with her nearly every day. In addition her neighbors on either side of her house, plus 2 families directly across the street were long time friends who kept an eye out for her. They all had my phone number for an emergency contact. If she had not brought her mail in from her front door mailbox, her longtime postman would have checked on her.

Now I am "elderly" (70 plus) and live alone, as do many of my elderly friends, several cousins
and widowed sister-in-law. We have occasionally and sadly commented to each other our awareness that if we had an accident or serious illness which incapacitated us, it could be weeks before anyone considered checking up on us. Everyone laughs at those "Help! I've fallen and I can't get up!" commercials. But even those devices are no safeguard if one falls and is unconscious, has a stroke, etc.

I had a miserable cold for about a week this winter, and didn't bother to go outside in terrible weather to get my mail for several days. My longtime mailman, god love him, knocked on my door to make sure I was OK.

At the other end of the age spectrum, the grandson of a woman I know died in his single room at a dorm at the University of Chicago, and it was only after 8 days, when the stench of his decomposing body spread to the hallway outside his room that his body was discovered. http://abc7chicago.com/archive/9434206/

Think about it, please. Is there a family member in your life who lives alone? Can you spare 2 minutes every other day to give them a quick call? Just a "Hi, I'm just checking in. Everything OK? Good. Talk to you again soon." If they're on line, you can quickly check in with them via email/FB/etc.

More from the OP link:

“What hurts me most is that I heard him crying,” said Gonzalez, who lives on the first floor and heard the little boy's cries when he went in and out of the front door of the building.

“If I was closer to the noise, I would have done something. I didn't know. I feel so guilty. I feel so bad,” said Gonzalez, whose apartment is around the corner and down the hall from the front door. “The thought of that little kid running around after she died ... looking for food. That's what I'm upset about. It's such a helpless feeling.”

Dr. Stephen Nelson, a pediatrician who teaches at the Tulane School of Medicine in New Orleans, said the child probably died of dehydration. It generally takes three to four weeks to starve to death. But someone can die within a week without water, Nelson said. “It's the dehydration that kills you,” he said. He “probably survived at least three to five days, maybe up to a week.”

A brother, Matt Knaus, found the bodies when he went to check on his sister and nephew, Morton said. Knaus did not want to talk to the media Friday night. Kessler and her son lived alone.
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