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pampango

(24,692 posts)
Thu Mar 12, 2015, 09:55 AM Mar 2015

Krugman: The truth about 'entitlement spending'. No upward trend until Great Recession. None now.



Here, income security is mainly EITC, food stamps, and unemployment benefits, plus a few other means-tested aid programs. Health is all major programs — Medicare, Medicaid/CHIP, and at the very end the exchange subsidies.

What this chart tells you right away:

1. The “nation of takers” stuff is deeply misleading. Until the economic crisis, income security had no trend at all. The only way to make it seem as if means-tested programs were exploding is to include Medicaid, which has gone up in part because of rising costs, in part because of a major expansion to cover children (all those 11-year-old bums on welfare, you know).

2. When people claimed that spending was exploding under Obama, the only thing actually happening was a surge in income-support programs at a time of genuine distress. People smirked knowingly and declared that everyone knew that the bump in spending would become permanent; it didn’t.

3. If there is a long-run spending problem, it’s overwhelmingly about health care. And we have lately been making remarkable progress on that front.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/03/11/the-truth-about-entitlements/

Facts won't matter with republicans and their slash-entitlements fixation. But it is nice to have facts on our side.
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Krugman: The truth about 'entitlement spending'. No upward trend until Great Recession. None now. (Original Post) pampango Mar 2015 OP
Problems. Igel Mar 2015 #1
Kick to the greatest and for MSM attention. TheNutcracker Mar 2015 #2

Igel

(35,320 posts)
1. Problems.
Thu Mar 12, 2015, 12:16 PM
Mar 2015

First, the obvious: I can't make a 0.1% increase per decade from the late-mid '80s to around 2008 go away. It's not 0. It's not huge, but it's not 0.


Second, the less obvious. Take that spike in 2008. Even if the $ amount of entitlement spending had held absolutely flat, Krugman's chart would have shown a spike. With an increase in spending, the spike is larger.

Now look at the mid-late '90s. Two things were happening. Welfare reform (reforms tend to flatten growth, but then in hindsight they're ignored as it's confidently claimed that there would have been no growth). And, for that chart more importantly, the GDP increased by something like 4% per year on average (a bit more, actually). So if entitlements had increased by 3% per year, adding up to a 13% increase by the end of the 4th year, that chart would still show a decrease. In other words, unless entitlement growth exceeds GDP growth, the trend line has to be down. It's not. Entitlement growth has exceeded, on average over the period from '89 to '08, GPD growth by a small amount.


Critical thinking requires that I consider the likely counterarguments. (It's easy to win an argument with yourself. You always go unchallenged because you're both the choir and cheering on victories over the defeated serried ranks of strawmen.)

The cleanest argument would be population growth. From '89 to '08, population growth was around 23%. US GDP growth was upwards of 35%. GDP > population growth means that the trend line was flattened on this chart, and considerably so. The sharp downturn in the late '90s comes not only from welfare reform, but was also helped by the GDP's increasing at twice the rate of population growth.

A messier argument involves demographics--but this wouldn't help Krugman's argument. It would merely say, at best, that any increase in entitlements is appropriate since the cohorts to be helped by the entitlements increased--children, for instance. But childhood poverty decreased from 1989 through 2008 (more so through 2007--2008 saw a sharp uptick). In other words, instead of "there was no increase" the argument would be "of course there was an increase, and properly so." That he makes this argument for times of recession and doesn't consider possible structural changes in society and the economy goes to his arguing a pettily partisan point: A quick ego-boosting win at the expense of the truth is more important than truth at the expense of a quick ego-boosting win. (This, btw, is pure Krugman. He writes for his audience. Yes, this is an insult and should be taken as such.)

After this messier argument we get into the underbrush where nasty-to-wage arguments breed in their warrens: % of population that's under 18, appropriateness of measures of poverty , family structure changes, "hidden" entitlements that aren't perceived by the recipient as cash but count against a funding source as cash, appropriateness of GDP measures, appropriateness of the CPI, etc.

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