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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsLet’s just pretend that Hillary used a .gov account for her emails
And that she also had a personal account on the same or a separate phone the way she should have done it, according to many. (Though not required to by law.)
At the time of each of Hillarys emails, who would have been deciding whether to send it through her .gov account or through her personal account or to use the phone?
Hillary.
But she didnt have separate accounts; she had one. And last year when the government asked for her work-related emails, who was in charge of sorting them out?
Hillary.
Why is it that she could be trusted in the first instance and not in the second?
Again, suppose she HAD used a .gov account for State Department matters. How would this have worked, in practice?
What if, while she was writing one, she suddenly realized she might not want this particular email preserved in the national archives? If she was the sneaky person some accuse her of being, she had a couple of options. She could delete the email and pick up the phone. Or, if the recipient wasnt on .gov, then she could email him from her personal account instead.
In short, there is nothing more transparent or trustworthy about keeping her emails in separate work-related and personal accounts. No matter what, we still have to trust her to correctly divide her emails into those accounts. The only question is whether she makes the choice before she hits the send button or afterwards.
The only way for her to be truly transparent would be for her to allow the public access to all her emails, personal or work-related, on any of her accounts or devices. Just in case she might be hiding something. In other words, to allow this woman, accused of no crime, no private life at all.
But in that case were not asking her to be transparent. Were asking her to take off all her personal emails and strip naked, just to satisfy her detractors.
Is that the direction we want to head? Where were treating every public servant as a potential criminal?
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)about?
Repeat after me, only one thing
BEN GAZZARA?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Gazzara
nope...
Bun Garzaboni? (who the heck is that)
nope...
BENGHAZI
So, I conclude if you are all that concerned about the emails, you are a Benghazi fool...simple as that
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)He knows that she did nothing wrong with regard to Benghazi.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)masters, the corporate elite in this country that's trying to get another Republican into the White House. I mean, they're itching for war in Iran and Syria so they need to get another Republican-puppet into the White House.
I don't think it's going to work, especially when President Obama begins campaigning for the Democratic nominee which everyone seems to think will be Hillary Clinton.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)IMO
I think Obama brings a unique perspective that no white person can.
No matter how open-minded and liberal and progressive we are, as white people we simply cant see what some can see.
Also, in not that many years Iran will be run by moderates who like to wear Calvin Klein jeans and watch "The Big Bang Theory" on flat screen hi definition televisions.
Can you IMAGINE if either McCain or Romney were in the WH now?
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)chiefly because of her IWR vote had sent that message LOUD and clear - Americans don't want anymore war. I know she had wanted to arm Syrian rebels - while President Obama wisely refused it - and that might bolster the perception that she's a warmonger, but after her defeat in 2008, I'm certain she got the message loud and clear that Americans no longer have the stomach for war.
That said...I will be voting for Joe Biden in the primaries because he's not afraid to come out and say that Democrats should run on what he and President Obama have accomplished. And I agree.
I also agree with you that Obama brings a unique perspective.
B2G
(9,766 posts)she wouldn't have been in charge of sorting anything out. Her .gov emails would have been the body of professional correspondence. Her personal emails could be easily segregated.
I don't know why you have such a problem with this concept.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)ksoze
(2,068 posts)The segregation you speak of would have been done by her anyway - who else would sort her personal emails out of the .gov domain? The same way she "segregated" them at their creation by physically by using two devices.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Even with a .gov account, for any individual email she always had the option to send it through her personal account. She would have been the one to make a choice, for each and every email, as to which account to send it through.
So you either trust her decision or not. Because whether she uses two accounts or one, she's still the person deciding which emails are "work related" and which are "personal." She makes this decision either before she hits the send button (in the case of two accounts) or afterwards (with one).
I don't know why you have such a problem with this concept.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Even with 2 separate accounts, she ultimately has control over what gets seen, just like every other person with a .gov account.
B2G
(9,766 posts)also has a personal account.
The issue is, do all of those people have their personal accounts on a personal server in their homes?
If there is any question about what is in those personal accounts, those emails are discoverable from the service provider and can be turned over. In this case, Hillary WASs the service provider and had complete control of deletions, backups and hard drive wipes.
So it's just a little bit different...
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)choose a provider with a very short timeline.
B2G
(9,766 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)How long does your mobile phone provider store data for law enforcement access?
glowing
(12,233 posts)wouldn't she just pick up a phone and call, send a text msg, or visit in person?
I rather doubt, or I would hope to doubt, that anything in an email from the State Dept, would be something that would "harm" the state dept too badly. And this is a woman who travels with personnel, secretaries, advisors, hair and makeup staff... She's a walking, talking, living, breathing entourage since the days of First Lady of Arkansas. I don't doubt that most items that were in her "inbox" weren't a cc or bcc item, and any response was sent back to a gov sate dept official. Perhaps because of her status as a figure head, a personal e-mail system was the best manner of maintaining the ability to only handle real information that was pertinent to the job. If everyone had her .gov email, I would think she would have quite a it random crap thrown into the mix. With a personal account, she could control better who had her email account and keep the sheer volume to a minimum; which was still probably a huge daily task to run thru... I actually wouldn't be surprised to hear that she didn't have a staffer who whose task was to maintain her e-mail account and mark "important" items for her to handle daily. (You can log onto multiple accounts, for multiple people on these phones... I have both mine and my sons email accounts active on my phone so I can keep track of what types of email he's getting and track what hes "purchasing" from the App Srore - so he doesn't go over a pre-pd acct and start sending extra fees onto the bill).
I'm not sure if that would be worse for her to admit or any of these public politicians and other famous people to admit? That they spend very little time sorting thru their emails, Twitter accts, Facebook, Instagram, etc accts, text msgs, voicemails, etc. Most of them maintain personal assistants and depending on how extensive the job or popularity is, the personal assistant may have an entire team managing the many forms of communication that we have to navigate thru. For myself, who is a basic nobody, I will end up with 100's of emails daily, I will have a deluge of Facebook and Twitter items (I'm not even on Instagram or some of the other popular posting sites - mainly to maintain my sanity), and these items take a fair amount of time out of my life to deal with. My own work system asks me to use a "preferred email" to send work related materials to. I chose to use my personal account and NOT set up a different email for work related matters. Now, my work does maintain an "overall" email address that the public may contact and that EVERYONE who has to access the public space has the password to. There are items of work that not everyone at the work should be handling or messing with; so those are items that are routed to my preferred email inbox to deal with. Anything I think the whole staff needs to know or deal with, I forward it into the general email inbox. My boss has to trust that the job I was hired for and the items I must personally handle are #1 being handled and #2 that I'm doing the job in the proper manner I should as a professional. Could I get away with certain things or let other things slide, sure, but I certainly wouldn't be effective for very long or set a professional code of conduct for my career over the long haul.
This really all boils down to, do you trust Hillary Clinton to do the job she was hired to do? Is she competent at doing the job? Has anything nefarious or underhanded or "bad for America" handled under her years of service to the country? Because if she is President, there are a ton more private, confidential, behind closed door types of items that she would be required to handle on the behalf of The American People. If you don't feel she's the best person for the job, then clearly, she won't have the public's confidence or their vote. If you feel she's handled the job of Senator and SoS well, and has represented the people well, and you feel will make a positive difference in the lives and best interest of this country and its people, then, you will choose to vote for her.
Seriously, what could be put into an email that couldn't be said on a phone call or in person meeting and isn't a matter of public record? If she wanted to conduct underhanded, nefarious plots to harm the American People and this country, she wouldn't bother placing the information in an email, especially, when that email account is more than likely handled by a staff of assistants anyway and would be viewed by multiple parties on either side of the email exchange. She would place a phone call or show up at a meeting, or even use foreign consulate as a "meeting ground" for 2 different parties that she didn't want the public to know about on sovereign state ground.
The reality is, the Clinton's lives are so public and have been for such a long time, I doubt she can take a shit without at least 5 other people knowing about it... Like I said, it all boils down to whether you think she can handle the job as President or not. I'm fairly certain that she could manage the nations affairs just fine. Will she do her best to serve, yes, I think she would. Is her "best" the right fit for Leader of the Free World or Commander in Chief or Executive of the Nation? I suppose that is a question we will have to answer for ourselves once we hear her views on policy and direction she envisions for America. AND would she be able to execute those visions, or would we see another 4-8 yrs of Republican witch hunts and investigations and compromise that doesn't help the struggling lower economically challenged citizens?
That's the question we will all be asking ourselves thru primaries and possibly General election.
randome
(34,845 posts)This is still cultural blowback from the Nixon Administration days where we now expect to find smoking guns in electronic correspondence. But it's ridiculously easy to hide communications if she wanted, so a certain measure of trust is always there.
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pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Response to pnwmom (Original post)
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pnwmom
(108,980 posts)a .gov email account. I knew she could "hide" matters in phone calls, if she wanted to.