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HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
Thu Mar 12, 2015, 03:44 PM Mar 2015

Facebook Must Shut Down the Anti-Vaxxers (By Time's Kluger)

Mark Zuckerberg should unfriend the crazies before more people get hurt
http://time.com/3714990/zuckerberg-vaccines-facebook/

"...


But the anti-vaxxers have a particular power. People who buy the nonsense on a birther or truther page can’t do much more than join that loony community and howl nonsense into the online wind. Climate change denial is a little more dangerous because every person who comes to believe that global warming is a massive hoax makes it a tiny, incremental bit harder to enact sensible climate policy.

Anti-vaxxers, however, do their work at the grass-roots, retail, one-on-one level. Convince Mother A of the fake dangers of vaccines and you increase the odds that she won’t vaccinate Child B—and perhaps Children C, D or E either. And every unvaccinated child in her brood increases the risk to the neighborhood, the school, the community—the entire herd, as the epidemiologists put it. The multi-state measles outbreak that began in Disneyland, along with the epidemics of mumps and whooping cough in Columbus, Ohio and throughout California, have all been fueled by falling vaccine rates.

One thing that would help—something Zuckerberg could do with little more than a flick of the switch, as could Twitter CEO Dick Costolo and the other bosses of other sites—is simply shut the anti-vaxxers down. Really. Pull their pages, block their posts, twist the spigot of misinformation before more people get hurt.

The very idea of muzzling any information—even misinformation—will surely send libertarians to their fainting couches. Similarly, people who believe they understand the Constitution but actually don’t will immediately invoke the First Amendment. But of course they’re misguided. Is Facebook a government agency? No, it’s not. Is Zuckerberg a government official? No, he’s not. Then this is not a First Amendment issue. Read your Constitution.


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Facebook Must Shut Down the Anti-Vaxxers (By Time's Kluger) (Original Post) HuckleB Mar 2015 OP
I disagree, but good article none the less. Glassunion Mar 2015 #1
Why? HuckleB Mar 2015 #2
Facebook and twitter are soundingboards. Glassunion Mar 2015 #3
Thanks for sharing your opinion. HuckleB Mar 2015 #6
Well then. Glassunion Mar 2015 #9
It's not an all or nothing proposition. HuckleB Mar 2015 #10
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #13
And you offer up a classic anti-vaccine routine. HuckleB Mar 2015 #15
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #18
That's ridiculous daredtowork Mar 2015 #4
It's a private company. HuckleB Mar 2015 #8
I agree. . trumad Mar 2015 #5
Umm. You think he wouldn't have bothered with fascism, then? HuckleB Mar 2015 #7
No. We don't need more censorship--not from the government, not from DU, and not from Facebook. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #11
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #14
Vioxx is not a vaccine. HuckleB Mar 2015 #16
"Censorship." HuckleB Mar 2015 #19
So should DU...nt SidDithers Mar 2015 #12
That's why I put my "DU?" HuckleB Mar 2015 #17

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
3. Facebook and twitter are soundingboards.
Thu Mar 12, 2015, 04:12 PM
Mar 2015

These anti vaxx folks are stupid. Yes, they are stupid. Quite stupid to be honest. There is no law against it and it is also infinite. It is the only source of perpetual motion in the universe.

Sure they can censor their applications. But this will reenforce the stupid position.

People have been dying from stupid since the dawn of time.

People will continue to die from stupid until the end of time.

Stupid is the single most powerful force in the universe. It is not up to twitter or facebook to be responsible to conquer, nor will they be successful at eliminating stupid.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
6. Thanks for sharing your opinion.
Thu Mar 12, 2015, 05:15 PM
Mar 2015

I appreciate it. My POV is that it's a private entity, and, as such, it should work to keep the spread of conspiracy nonsense at bay. There are many positives to the Internet, but one negative is the spread of conspiracies and pseudoscience beliefs without a check. People are vulnerable because we haven't educated them. We can improve education, but many people will remain without that part of the equation, and the belief aspect becomes very strong once they're pulled in. To me, it's an ethical thing to not give free reign to absolute hooey.

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
9. Well then.
Thu Mar 12, 2015, 05:24 PM
Mar 2015

People talk in all sorts of public, yet privately-owned places, about all sorts of things. Twitter, FaceBook, Coffee Shop, Concerts, Parks, Sporting Events, Restaurants, Bars, etc...

Should it be the mission statement of all private entities where there is public discussion to work to keep the spread of conspiracy nonsense at bay?

Why does DU have a creative speculation group? Should Skinner trash that as well?

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
10. It's not an all or nothing proposition.
Thu Mar 12, 2015, 05:26 PM
Mar 2015

Risk assessment matters. The Internet has clearly allowed conspiracy and pseudoscience to spread in a manner it could not before. We shouldn't just pretend otherwise, IMO.

Response to HuckleB (Reply #6)

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
15. And you offer up a classic anti-vaccine routine.
Thu Mar 12, 2015, 09:04 PM
Mar 2015

A quote out-of-context, cherry-picked, and without rationale.

Classic.

Response to HuckleB (Reply #15)

daredtowork

(3,732 posts)
4. That's ridiculous
Thu Mar 12, 2015, 04:26 PM
Mar 2015

Facebook is just the networking of personal contact pages ( originally yearbook pages) with the added functionality of being able to make comments. Later Zuckerberg added the capability of making assocated topical pages, playing games, and running ads. It's a public space. People choose freely who to friend and block who they don't want to see.

You don't block people's contact info from a public space. They are free to associate and talk about what they want unless they are commiting a crime. Geez.

Vaxxing is the one topic that will be used to smuggle in seriously totalitarian ideas into normal political discourse. Be on guard.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
8. It's a private company.
Thu Mar 12, 2015, 05:17 PM
Mar 2015

Ethics matter. And anti-vaxers are not the only conspiracy nuts who are pushing their harmful disinformation via Facebook.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
11. No. We don't need more censorship--not from the government, not from DU, and not from Facebook.
Thu Mar 12, 2015, 06:17 PM
Mar 2015

In each of the organizations I mentioned in the subject line, there are groups of people who want to prevent speech that they don't like. The 1st Amendment only constrains the government, but not DU and not Facebook. But that in no way means that liberals should be pushing to prevent people from speaking solely because they don't like what they're hearing. I want no part of that.

Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #11)

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
16. Vioxx is not a vaccine.
Thu Mar 12, 2015, 09:05 PM
Mar 2015

The "whistleblower" nonsense has been shown to be a non issue.

And "Health Impact News" is an anti-vaccine, anti-science outfit.

You are showing why Facebook should not allow such nonsense to proliferate.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
19. "Censorship."
Thu Mar 12, 2015, 09:09 PM
Mar 2015

It's a private entity, and it has ethical responsibilities that the general free speech arena does not.

When people work to harm others with bad information, it's not a legitimate response to say that it always just "about free speech." If you haven't educated the populace to fight off disinformation, you are letting the populace be scammed by unethical scam artists. There is no way to justify that, as a human.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
17. That's why I put my "DU?"
Thu Mar 12, 2015, 09:06 PM
Mar 2015

Unfortunately, DU does not appear ready to even bother with its worst offenders, much less make it a policy.

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