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KeepItReal

(7,769 posts)
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 10:49 AM Mar 2015

James Carville apologizes for calling Grover Norquist pond scum

The letter (partial) to the editor of LSU's The Daily Reveille:

The news from the Governor’s office and the State Legislature has attained a level of buffoonery and comedy before unseen; in a state with a long history of both. Our beloved university is being systematically dismantled and as a result of our Governor and a significant portion of our Legislature (twenty-six) pledging allegiance to a Washington lobbyist with the long history of shady dealings. Your future earnings and the quality of your education is being adversely affected by the fact that a pledge was signed to a Washington operator by the name of Grover Norquist that under no conditions could taxes be raised.

Our elected officials have allowed him to become the most powerful person in our state. Proposed legislation is routinely sent to him by the Governor to seek his approval. Trust me its true.

Norquist was described by fellow conservative, Tucker Carlson, as a, “cash-addled, morally malleable lobbyist.” Norquist is the human equivalent of pond scum. He was a fellow traveler of pond scumite Abramoff and according to the Senate Indian Affairs Committee, Norquist’s organization served as a “conduit” for funds from Abramoff’s clients and conservative lobbying campaigns.

Now for the comedy part, the Governor and Legislature constantly refer to how can they maintain their purity, or as it is sometimes referred to, their “tax virginity.” You have to be kidding me. This reminds me of two over-sexed teenagers dry humping in a backseat of car parked behind a levee wondering how far they can go while maintaining their purity or virginity. We are literally at the mercy of buffoons and comedians. While they’re humping, our university burns. Our only recourse is to stand up and fight for ourselves. Geaux Tigers.


The apology:

Since the publication of my Letter to the Editor yesterday, I have received a considerable amount of comments on my comparison of Grover Norquist to pond scum. As someone who has spent so much time in the public square, I understand how words and characterizations can be hurtful and unfair to those involved in the comparisons. After prayer and deep reflection and consultation with my spiritual and ethical mentors I am forced to take a step I rarely approach in my public life and that is to apologize to- pond scum.

James Carville
Political consultant, political science professor of practice Tulane University

http://www.lsureveille.com/daily/letter-to-the-editor-allegiance-to-lobbyist-could-adversely-affect/article_48b30382-c776-11e4-93d9-ffc6f7fd113f.html
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James Carville apologizes for calling Grover Norquist pond scum (Original Post) KeepItReal Mar 2015 OP
*snerk* cyberswede Mar 2015 #1
Here's to Carville. Norquist is a particularly ugly form of pond scum. And he's an NRA Board Member. Hoyt Mar 2015 #2
.....should have been apologizing to pond scum...who have pond scum ever killed and demonized for profit? Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #3
That's exactly what he did - the last sentence of the letter: The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2015 #5
The headline should then be corrected: "Carville Apologizes to Pond Scum by Correctly Comparing to Norquist" Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #7
Nah, the OP was preserving the spirit sammythecat Mar 2015 #38
I assume he apologized to pond scum. KamaAina Mar 2015 #4
Norquist isn't a pond. TheCowsCameHome Mar 2015 #6
OK, sewer if you want. I was going to say "paid" scum erronis Mar 2015 #15
How about the scum that floats on top in a septic tank? n/t TexasProgresive Mar 2015 #34
One of those swine manure lagoons must generate some hifiguy Mar 2015 #58
I rather like Carville's apology brush Mar 2015 #8
Carville's still got it sharp_stick Mar 2015 #9
amazing that people here can comment without reading mopinko Mar 2015 #10
Ditto. SoapBox Mar 2015 #11
^^ Indeed ^^ Myrina Mar 2015 #32
Hah! I was hoping that was the direction it was going... petronius Mar 2015 #12
I Guess He Could Have Used A More Dignified Word Like - Algae......nt global1 Mar 2015 #13
The truth is an absolute defense Gothmog Mar 2015 #14
The Left needs more Carvilles. jalan48 Mar 2015 #16
Have you read this? tblue37 Mar 2015 #41
I haven't seen this. Thank you for the link-I will check it out. :) jalan48 Mar 2015 #64
Ah, perfect prose! asjr Mar 2015 #17
James Carville...keepin' it real! n/t FourScore Mar 2015 #18
As he should! KeepItReal Mar 2015 #21
HA! I just noticed your DU name is KeepitReal! FourScore Mar 2015 #26
;-) I once used "James Carville" as my alias at a hotel in New Orleans KeepItReal Mar 2015 #29
LOL! funny! n/t FourScore Mar 2015 #30
Whoa ! Cool !! BlueJazz Mar 2015 #59
. one_voice Mar 2015 #19
lovely rejoinder heaven05 Mar 2015 #20
I have growing respect for James Carville. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #22
Ragin Cajun bpj62 Mar 2015 #23
LOVE IT!!! Here I thought he'd had an idiot attack for a moment and lost consciousness. calimary Mar 2015 #24
James, are you really back? You have been gone for what seems a long time. A Simple Game Mar 2015 #25
More please! SunSeeker Mar 2015 #27
Da-yum! rogerashton Mar 2015 #28
A toast to James Carville! Pond scum serves a useful ecological purpose, at least. Hekate Mar 2015 #31
Bravo! McCamy Taylor Mar 2015 #33
I hope Hillary finds some new attack dogs Dems to Win Mar 2015 #35
Sen. Al Gore would have been better served by Carville instead of Donna Brazile KeepItReal Mar 2015 #40
ugh donna brazile. mopinko Mar 2015 #43
Poo poo head tiptonic Mar 2015 #36
I know he's a hack BrotherIvan Mar 2015 #37
Best NON Apology JustAnotherGen Mar 2015 #39
He should have said wryter2000 Mar 2015 #42
I think Carville was waaaaay to harsh on pond scum. marble falls Mar 2015 #44
He really meant bathtub scum. boston bean Mar 2015 #45
Why? He has to apologize for telling the truth? George II Mar 2015 #46
Because as he points out it's not fair to pond scum rpannier Mar 2015 #66
It is Pond Scum Grover who owes the American public a huge apology for requiring Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #47
Awesome. He really did hit pond scum below the belt. EEO Mar 2015 #48
Pond Scum serves a useful purpose and uses up excess nutrients in ponds. Thor_MN Mar 2015 #49
Fish eat pond scum, hence it has some kind of value. Grover Shithead has zero value. nt Rex Mar 2015 #50
ha ha. oh, this was great. riversedge Mar 2015 #51
Saw that coming.... louis-t Mar 2015 #52
nice of you to get something correct for a change, james. pond scum thank you. niyad Mar 2015 #53
I think he should have apologized COLGATE4 Mar 2015 #54
Read the article, man. Read the article. Scootaloo Mar 2015 #60
+1 treestar Mar 2015 #61
why apologize? chillfactor Mar 2015 #55
Blammo! hifiguy Mar 2015 #56
When I read the OP title fadedrose Mar 2015 #57
Good to see pond scum got their whistler162 Mar 2015 #62
Why apologize for telling the truth? nt LiberalElite Mar 2015 #63
Glad he did so rpannier Mar 2015 #65
Yeah, he's not good enough to be called pond-scum! n/t RoccoR5955 Mar 2015 #67
James Carville is a hotrod0808 Mar 2015 #68
I am LOL at the DU love for Carville. I remember the RAGE at him for wearing Puma shoes. Beausoir Mar 2015 #69
My true love is Mary Matalin. nt delrem Mar 2015 #70
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
2. Here's to Carville. Norquist is a particularly ugly form of pond scum. And he's an NRA Board Member.
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 10:53 AM
Mar 2015

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
3. .....should have been apologizing to pond scum...who have pond scum ever killed and demonized for profit?
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 10:59 AM
Mar 2015

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,735 posts)
5. That's exactly what he did - the last sentence of the letter:
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 11:04 AM
Mar 2015

"After prayer and deep reflection and consultation with my spiritual and ethical mentors I am forced to take a step I rarely approach in my public life and that is to apologize to- pond scum."

sammythecat

(3,568 posts)
38. Nah, the OP was preserving the spirit
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 02:25 PM
Mar 2015

of Carville's sarcastic non-apology. A little misdirection followed by a doubling down of the original insult.
Overreacting before examining the evidence in front of us; we all do that from time to time.

erronis

(15,303 posts)
15. OK, sewer if you want. I was going to say "paid" scum
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 11:55 AM
Mar 2015

But that would include most of the rest of those "representatives", media, and lobbyists.

Oh, wait - is there anybody else able to afford living in DC?

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
58. One of those swine manure lagoons must generate some
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 06:46 PM
Mar 2015

interesting bacterial growths. Norquist seems to be a likely candidate.

brush

(53,791 posts)
8. I rather like Carville's apology
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 11:15 AM
Mar 2015

Even pond scum would not have the megalomaniac chutzpah to think that a scheme conjured up by his 12-year-old brain would be something that grown ass adults would be willing to pledge fealty to (Norquist has stated in interviews that his no-tax pledge came to him as a pre-adolescent 12-year-old).

Yet, somehow, he managed to worm himself and his adolescent-mind-meanderings of a pledge to the highest levels of the repug party for quite a while.

That lock-step, blind allegiance thing really works the with conservative mindset as, until very recently, Norquist along with his foolish pledge was a prominent player on the repug national scene.

His influence has dimmed somewhat lately though, but not the lock-step, blind allegiance thing amongst repugs as witnessed by the idiotic signings onto to the Cotton open letter to Iran by 47 senators.

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
9. Carville's still got it
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 11:17 AM
Mar 2015

I miss having him together with Paul Begalla, another guy that can turn a phrase into a razor.

tblue37

(65,409 posts)
41. Have you read this?
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 02:38 PM
Mar 2015
http://www.amazon.com/Were-Right-Theyre-Wrong-Progressives/dp/0679769781

We're Right, They're Wrong: A Handbook for Spirited Progressives Paperback – February 20, 1996
by James Carville

(I read it when it first came out.)

FourScore

(9,704 posts)
26. HA! I just noticed your DU name is KeepitReal!
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 01:01 PM
Mar 2015

I bet my subconscious mind picked up on that and that's why I thought it about James Carville!

KeepItReal

(7,769 posts)
29. ;-) I once used "James Carville" as my alias at a hotel in New Orleans
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 01:11 PM
Mar 2015

True story.

The staff had no idea who he was back then.

They welcomed me back as "Mr. Carville" next time I showed up there.

bpj62

(999 posts)
23. Ragin Cajun
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 12:43 PM
Mar 2015

There was no way Carville was ever going to apologize to Grover Norquist. He loves his state and he is so disgusted with what is happening to LSU. This is what happens when you are beholden to the money handlers.

calimary

(81,322 posts)
24. LOVE IT!!! Here I thought he'd had an idiot attack for a moment and lost consciousness.
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 12:44 PM
Mar 2015

I'd apologize to pond scum for that level of insult, too.

NEVER EVER EVER apologizing for any name dealt to that anarchic little weasel and his bathtub drowning dreams.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
25. James, are you really back? You have been gone for what seems a long time.
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 12:47 PM
Mar 2015

I of course blame it all on HER... she whose name shall not be mentioned.

But never fear, all is forgiven. Welcome back and please stay for a while.

rogerashton

(3,920 posts)
28. Da-yum!
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 01:05 PM
Mar 2015

How did I not know Carville was an LSU Tiger? Geaux James!

Well, he was a snake -- Sigma Nu fraternity -- pretty much on a level with SAE from my GDI point of view.

 

Dems to Win

(2,161 posts)
35. I hope Hillary finds some new attack dogs
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 01:55 PM
Mar 2015

Carville, Begala, and Lanny Davis are stale leftovers from scandal days of yore. I was pretty underwhelmed seeing them trotted out to defend Hillary on the email issue.

tiptonic

(765 posts)
36. Poo poo head
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 01:56 PM
Mar 2015

To quote G/rover himself, when he was asked a 'real' question, about his 'no new tax' bill. He didn't have a answer, so he called the guy who disagreed with him, a 'poo poo head'. I swear, i'm not making that up.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
37. I know he's a hack
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 02:09 PM
Mar 2015

But he always cracks me the fuck up. His biggest contribution is pulling back the curtain and treating politics like the bloodsport that it is. No flag pins and family portraits, it's about people who want power. With a gadfly like Carville around, people will be reminded of that. I am particularly looking forward to what he has to say about Jeb.

rpannier

(24,330 posts)
66. Because as he points out it's not fair to pond scum
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 08:43 PM
Mar 2015

Comparing Grover to a dung heap is unfair to the heap. At least the heap provides some measure of positive to society

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
47. It is Pond Scum Grover who owes the American public a huge apology for requiring
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 05:32 PM
Mar 2015

active legislators to sign a decree of allegiance to him and not to the Constitution .

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
49. Pond Scum serves a useful purpose and uses up excess nutrients in ponds.
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 06:10 PM
Mar 2015

Grover... hmmm. can't think of a single useful purpose he serves.

niyad

(113,364 posts)
53. nice of you to get something correct for a change, james. pond scum thank you.
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 06:26 PM
Mar 2015

however, as a speech writer, you should know that the proper wording is "number" of comments, not "amount".

fadedrose

(10,044 posts)
57. When I read the OP title
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 06:45 PM
Mar 2015

I immediately thought an apology was due the pond scum, and Carville did not disappoint. He apologized to "pond scum."

That'll teach 'em to mess around the ragin Cajun..

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
67. Yeah, he's not good enough to be called pond-scum! n/t
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 10:54 PM
Mar 2015

Norquist is more like Pre-Cambrian type ooze.

hotrod0808

(323 posts)
68. James Carville is a
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 11:26 PM
Mar 2015

man whom I am proud to call a role model of mine. I wish that more people had his drive and tenacity. Please, Mr. Carville, keep fighting for us. I admire you.

 

Beausoir

(7,540 posts)
69. I am LOL at the DU love for Carville. I remember the RAGE at him for wearing Puma shoes.
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 11:45 PM
Mar 2015

Shallow petty people with short term memory loss.

That explains DU perfectly.

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