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What do you all think?
handmade34
(22,756 posts)that Black people built
A major concern in the construction of the new public buildings in this remote location was the acquisition of building materials, such as stone, lumber, bricks, hardware, and nails. Black quarrymen, sawyers, brickmakers, and carpenters fashioned raw materials into the products used to erect the White House. Master stonemason, Collen Williamson, trained slaves on the spot at the governments quarry at Aquia, Virginia. There slaves quarried and cut the rough stone that was later dressed and laid by Scottish stonecutters to erect the walls of the Presidents House. Sawyers listed on government payrolls, such as "Jerry", "Jess", "Charles", "Len", "Dick", "Bill" and "Jim" undoubtedly were slaves leased from their masters. Free and slave blacks burnt bricks used to line the stone walls in temporary ricks on the Presidents House grounds. Often working seven days a week during the high construction summer months alongside white workers and artisans, black laborers proved vital to the work force that created both the White House and U.S. Capitol..."
http://www.whitehousehistory.org/history/white-house-timelines/african-americans-1790s-1840s.html
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)To the point they would die for him. Mistakes have been made that are unacceptable. There is a long history of mistakes. It sucks when one mistake could mean the death of the President. If they don't care, which no one would really believe, Obama wouldn't be here. Just like Bush, but with possible separate motives attached, a select few want Obama dead and would be willing to personally do it. Obama isn't currently alive because the SS doesn't much care about him.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)the mask has fallen.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)you cant win this, you should give up
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)The main problem is what you said: you insinuated that the SS, as a general whole, did not care about President Obama, because of his African-American background.....which people took issue with, and rightly so.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)Funny, huh?
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Consistent huh?
These "paint with a broad brush" posts to get a rise out of people say a lot more about the poster than anything else.
There might be some incompetence in the SS, but I have no doubt that the large majority of those folks would take a bullet for this President. The post dishonors their service.
cilla4progress
(24,738 posts)If I were Michelle I would be LIVID. I can't wait till they are back in private life. I imagine this experience has taken years off their lives.
I was so "proud" of our country when we elected President Obama. I am ashamed of it now. Obviously, not everyone or everything in it, but on many levels, ashamed.
I don't see how other countries can take us seriously. From the time of Ronnie Raygun forward, with a few exceptions, we have shown ourselves to be adolescent numbskulls - and dangerous ones at that. I'm sorry but I don't buy the "American exceptionalism" President Obama heralds. If I could move to Europe or Scandinavia to live out my years, I would!
NM_Birder
(1,591 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)But that doesn't mean it'll stop. Some posters here do little else and the admin doesn't care.
Who do you think you're fooling?
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NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)to talk abut the massive racism in America.
I get called that by rightwingers ALL DAY long, on other boards
I hope EVERYBODY here is seeing what is happening here..
NM_Birder
(1,591 posts)Your thread is race baiting pure, simple and without doubt.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)NM_Birder
(1,591 posts)Or are you simply calling every person that disagrees with you a WHITE republican rightwinger ?
Maybe it's more a case of you constantly racebaiting . Could that be it ?
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)obvious situation where race is almost certainly an issue, which is every situation, by the way, or almost every situation
Never, not one, not ever...
anymore questions?
pintobean
(18,101 posts)What do you want on it?
NM_Birder
(1,591 posts)just because there is a black president in the WHITE house.
see that, that is an example of your so cleaver and self absorbed race baiting. Just pointing our you are race baiting.
carry on. I'm sure you will
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)M<ore accurately, one merely calls them as they better validate his own personal biases...
ChazII
(6,205 posts)the only board I lurk around is Right Nation for the conservative views. Free Republic is too rabid. What boards do you read?
gollygee
(22,336 posts)It is a racist right-wing term used by people who are appalled that anyone would dare discuss racism. The term does not belong at DU. You are not entitled to remain in a bubble of white privilege where you don't have to hear about it. Racism will continue to be discussed here.
It is a racist right-wing term used by people who are appaled that anyone would dare discuss racism.
Totally, totally agree.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)The know people are watching and think they're cute.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)in any and every situation which involves Black and White people"?
it's a little long, but I think that's what the posters mean by "race-baiting".
gollygee
(22,336 posts)It is frequently at least a part of the problem. It is very very often at least present. Not seeing that is being an ostrich, with your head in the sand, or living in a bubble of white privilege.
The word "bait" is not about what someone feels internally. People are calling NoJusticeNoPeace a troll, outwardly. He isn't a troll. He's just saying something people don't want to hear.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)Does at least one member of an interracial couple have to talk "racism" every time they have a problem?
gollygee
(22,336 posts)including the secret service. It is not necessarily a part every individual marriage.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)then it would be, by your logic, part an interracial marriage as well.
Marriage is an institution too.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)but on a micro sense, it is not a part of every one. I would be surprised if marriage laws or the system and structure of marriage on a macro level don't include racism in some way or another.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)"Racism is a part of every structure and system", I'd say that may be true,
but it's not necessarily the predominant element in every situation.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)If you look at my subject line, it seems like it should be clear that I'm talking about situations involving structures and systems.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)and I thought it was clear that I was doing the same.
NM_Birder
(1,591 posts)how the hell do you know what my race is ? Some might think you assume to much. What if I'm a black guy living in the WHITE world. You don't call that RACE BAITING ?
Sure you do, I can feel your temperature rise. "white privilege", THAT is RACE BAITING !
gollygee
(22,336 posts)you're comical.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)There are examples right here in this thread, beginning with the OP.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Thanks for this post.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)A lot of people, though, get some sort of validation from it.
When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)Pretty much every form of extremism in a nutshell, whether it be SJWs on the fringe left, or Manospherians, Teabaggers, etc. on the far right.
dissentient
(861 posts)Not sure why you think this is a racial thing.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)brooklynite
(94,604 posts)TheNutcracker
(2,104 posts)Homeland Sec. is the most loose run agency in the history of our country, and a HUGE additional layer of spending, unnecessary.
Now look at it.
TheNutcracker
(2,104 posts)Response to NoJusticeNoPeace (Original post)
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m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)i thought that a few posts ago from this one.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)is what I've been thinking.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)...of nonsense.
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NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)Lightweights
If you cant accept there is massive racism everywhere including the Secret Service, then you are not worthy of being in the discussion
Fucking god damn pathetic, someone puts forward the FACT that the Secret Service is having scandal after scandal while black family is in WH and that person is alerted on...
Are you FUCKING kidding me?
BTW, there was a FUCKING question mark at the end of my OP, someone who actually cares about the situation would talk about what happened and the possible reasons why, not ALERT the fucking post
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)And I bet you don't even realize it....
underahedgerow
(1,232 posts)I'm falling off the couch making that connection.
Couldn't we also speculate that the fault lies with the hiring practices? Or the leadership of the Secret Service?
Of course racism exists, no one claims it doesn't. But why attribute that one, solitary thing to the indiscretions of some employees? Why not fault their characters, their drinking problems, their penchant for partying and being very naughty?
It's not always about skin color. Sometimes people just screw up, and if it's being tolerated by management, then you have to question the management and leadership.
Most likely, President Obama trusted the wrong people to run his team. It happens, he's a busy guy, and those SS guys and their ilk tend to toss a LOT of horse shit around.
I just fired a long time employee who was head of security for a very high profile person I've recently been working for. He was a genuine f*** up who baffled everyone with his BS for nearly 8 years until I called him on it and got rid of him. He was Mr. X military, rude, wife beating, cheating, lying, swaggering bully guy with a LOT of crap to swing and nothing to back it up.
It happens.
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)underahedgerow
(1,232 posts)has been with him for many years.
The eye should also be on the people in those positions to be held accountable for hiring practices and the people they hire.
No one gets it right every single time.
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)That's what I think.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)when you accuse someone of race baiting
well, I cant finish that line, I am under constant attack here by people who are uncomfortable with the fact that there is so much racism everywhere, including and especially on DU
have a nice day...
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)...when they race bait.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)...for all things liberal? Race baiting and liberalism don't go hand in hand.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)this one is race baiting and nonsense.
onenote
(42,715 posts)And if it was true, the President wouldn't have survived until now.
Peregrine Took
(7,415 posts)as he doesn't fit the traditional mode of what the president of the U.S. should be - in their minds.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Or did you just make it up....curious.....
whathehell
(29,067 posts)You don't even know how many voted for him, let alone what's in their "subconscious".
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)They wear them so nobody sees the racist looks on their faces! Sunglasses are a window into their soul.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)Like these?
Gotcha!
Siwsan
(26,272 posts)But the media didn't pick up on, or just ignored them.
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)and way more folks now carry cell phones with build in microphones and video cameras.
I'm sure you'd see more if these things were prevalent decades ago.
Of course we would have had to suffer additional decades of selfies... Getting to know America, one bathroom mirror at a time. Trying to find the right application that can make my ultra-gigga-mega-hd-pixel photo look like it was taken with a polaroid in low light... And let's not forget people taking pictures of shitty food (DEAR GOD DON'T LOOK AT MY POSTS IN COOKING AND BAKING) every time they sit down for a meal.
cilla4progress
(24,738 posts)with the OP.
Like Peregrine, I think it may be un- or sub-conscious. But I do believe insidious racism flourishes throughout our society in America.
Perhaps I missed the news articles, but I've NEVER heard of this kind of ongoing, rampant, flagrant misbehavior by the SS under any previous President.
Have people not been following the racist emails out of the Ferguson PD? Do you suppose that is an isolated incident?
Can people here honestly say they don't personally encounter at least one racist interaction every week? I mean blatant, rude, over-the-top?
I hope I'm wrong about the SS. Perhaps I'm just terribly mis-informed and paranoid.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)And don't live in GD so may be missing background on all the snarking. But for the OP by itself? you are not alone
cilla4progress
(24,738 posts)Did anyone see this week in the media somewhere, where AA individuals were saying they never know when they are dealing with a white person, what kind of attitudes that person might harbor: are they racist? a little? a lot? are they not?
I can't imagine what it would be like to always have to watch my back, not know who to trust, who might question or doubt my very humanity.
A hell of a lot of people deal with this in their daily lives. As a woman, I have a taste of being objectified, judged not for the content of my character, but on superficialities. Presumed to embody certain qualities and characteristics. Valued not for my intellectual contributions, but on the basis of whatever standard the white male mainstream decides matters.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)Racism is woven into systems and institutions in the US, and to think this system and institution is safe from it is ridiculous.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)Come on, now, it requires at least a *little* thought, even if sub-consciously.
I can say this: the SS has had it's problems to deal with since they were moved to DHS, that is certainly true. But it's not *all* about race. It may not even be a terribly significant part of said problem.
cilla4progress
(24,738 posts)I can't figure another explanation other than subconscious racism, for not taking their job seriously to protect this most exposed and vulnerable first family. It follows a pattern I think we have all experienced in one way or another: how those first to break the glass ceiling are often not only held to a higher standard, but attacked for challenging the status quo.
My racist tea party neighbor told me that his cousin, who works in the Pentagon, so of course knows, said Pres. Obama isn't liked there either. I suppose some of it Pres. Obama's positions.
What do you suppose most Republicans think of Ben Carson or other far-right African-American politicians? Perhaps the dividing line is more politics, than race. Although race is surely a factor for many.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)No one who has even moderately read about or studied about racism would think otherwise.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/between-the-lines/201204/studies-unconscious-bias-racism-not-always-racists
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Even after the 'housecleaning', the service is still awfully inept...
Zenlitened
(9,488 posts)As others have pointed out, there are many ways the constant (and plainly racist) messages devaluing Pres. Obama can seep into people and affect their attitudes.
I mean, just look at all the crankypants comments decrying "race-baiting!!1" that erupt at the mere mention of race and racial issues.
That is a purely right-wing invention, but seems to have seeped into discourse everywhere, now.
Note to white (like me) folks: calm down, wouldya?
Talking about race is not racism. Getting all pissy whenever the topic comes up, on the other hand... that might be a sign you've got some baggage to sort through.
In which case, a little dialog and discussion could only help, no?
Solomon
(12,311 posts)That was perfectly stated.
Zenlitened
(9,488 posts)The_Commonist
(2,518 posts)I think this is a disgusting post, and you should be ashamed of yourself. But somehow I think you are incapable of that.
Yes, we have horrible racial problems in this country, and yes, Mr. Obama and his family have been subject to unprecedented amounts of vitriol. But for you to say that the entire Secret Service "doesnt much care about protecting the black family in WHITE house" is just beyond the pale. Your short history here at DU has been riddled with ridiculous, attention-seeking posts, and I don't think you care one bit about "justice" or "peace." I think you care about nothing other than drawing attention to your clever self.
I'm not going to go as far as ProdigalJunkMail did in his post (I was on that jury and I voted to keep it), but I agreed with the sentiment. You're going to slip up soon and out your true self, and get banned from this place, and there will be much rejoicing.
A-Schwarzenegger
(15,596 posts)Although hammer, nail.
A-Schwarzenegger
(15,596 posts)On Fri Mar 13, 2015, 03:57 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
What do I think?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6360675
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pintobean
(18,101 posts)The_Commonist
(2,518 posts)Some people can dish it out, but can't take it.
A-Schwarzenegger
(15,596 posts)Somebody said,
"Don't ask me nothin about nothin,
I just might tell you the truth."
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)The_Commonist
(2,518 posts)...except I was on the jury for ProdigalJunkMail's post.
I saw who the OP was and was like "Oh, that one!"
A serial attention-seeker, who calls everyone who disagrees a right-winger, a relative newbie who doesn't seem to understand that some of us have been on the internet for decades now, and can see through their bullshit.
This has gotten to be really boring now...
pintobean
(18,101 posts)AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)He couldn't handle the heat, I guess, so he took it to the one place where he thought he could get away with his schtick.....
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)DEAR FUCKING GOD this is a
L I B E R A L
MESSAGE BOARD
Thank you for letting me know who you are, though...very helpful
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)I'll just reiterate what certain others have said: Yes, there is still a major problem with racism in this country; it may not infect the majority of American society, but it is all over many police departments, and in the Republican Party, etc.....but to imply that the Secret Service has been taken over by racists, without any proof, is simply ridiculous.
cilla4progress
(24,738 posts)taken over by racists.
Has racism in some subtle, even subconscious way taken over some members of the SS? In my mind, undoubtedly.
No need for vitriol here. We are among friends.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)But it really doesn't matter what I think. It matters what the Obama and his administration thinks. If they're not happy with the job being done by the SS, then they need to get new agents.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)the US Secret Service.
http://www.secretservice.gov/contact.shtml
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)unprecedented number of incidents that just happen to be while a black family is in the White House
Why dont YOU do that!
Jesus, talk about crossing the line.
Thank your for proving my point, by the way...
Most of the time when I put that emoticon on here I am just venting and trying not to get angry, you made me fucking, fucking angry
pintobean
(18,101 posts)where your mouth is. He's not the one ranting and making ridiculous, unfounded charges. You are.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)tell that to the first black SS agent...
Why are you bothering to argue with me?
Racism exists EVERYWHERE INCLUDING SS
No person with an open and honest mind will deny that...sorry, but you lost the argument before it started.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)Why you are always in threads with an attitude when race is an issue
hmm?
pintobean
(18,101 posts)pathetic
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)It's a bullshit question.
You did that to divert from Blue's suggestion. You're weaving, dodging and bobbing.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)Response to NoJusticeNoPeace (Reply #69)
1000words This message was self-deleted by its author.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)now THAT is a performance
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)(Preferably in private, of course) EOM.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)is
so they are denying it exists everywhere which is what i said
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)Can you provide any examples of people actually saying that there is *literally* definitely no racism at all in the S.S.?
cali
(114,904 posts)people are saying that they believe that the SS is committed to protecting the President and his family.
cali
(114,904 posts)make a claim like you did, it's incumbent on you to post some evidence that your claim is factual.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)I do not automatically see a post such as yours as a positive thing. The reasons a person might want to create the impression that the President is not safe are mostly not good reasons.
Not sure why offering that you should be an active citizen on a board for citizen activists is angering to you. But when matters of security are being discussed, here is who matters to me: the people being protected. That's it. I don't give a shit if it makes you mad to hear it, but I think that claiming Obama's door is unlocked all over the internet is a shitty thing to do.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Former U.S. Secret Service Agent Abraham BOLDEN was the first African American Secret Service agent to serve in the White House, personally appointed and literally hand-picked by President John F. Kennedy to the White House detail. Agent Abraham Bolden reported overt racism by his fellow agents and outright hostility toward the "n------loving president," quoting fellow Secret Service agents on the JFK detail.
In addition to enduring all manner of personal indignities, he was concerned at the lack of professionalism in those assigned to protect the president and reported his concerns. He was told, "OK. Thanks" by his superiors. When the problems weren't addressed, Bolden requested transfer back to the Secret Service office in Chicago.
Abraham Bolden speaks at JFK Lancer.
The story of a man who told the truth:
After 45 Years, a Civil Rights Hero Waits for Justice
Thom Hartmann
June 12, 2009 11:52 AM
A great miscarriage of justice has kept most Americas from learning about a Civil Rights pioneer who worked with President John F. Kennedy. But there is finally a way for citizens to not only right that wrong, but bring closure to the most tragic chapter of American presidential history.
After an outstanding career in law enforcement, Abraham Bolden was appointed by JFK to be the first African American presidential Secret Service agent, where he served with distinction. He was part of the Secret Service effort that prevented JFK's assassination in Chicago, three weeks before Dallas. But Bolden was framed by the Mafia and arrested on the very day he went to Washington to tell the Warren Commission staff about the Chicago attempt against JFK.
Bolden was sentenced to six years in prison, despite glaring problems with his prosecution. His arrest resulted from accusations by two criminals Bolden had sent to prison. In Bolden's first trial, an apparently biased judge told the jury that Bolden was guilty, even before they began their deliberations. Though granted a new trial because of that, the same problematic judge was assigned to oversee Bolden's second trial, which resulted in his conviction. Later, the main witness against Bolden admitted committing perjury against him. A key member of the prosecution even took the fifth when asked about the perjury. Yet Bolden's appeals were denied, and he had to serve hard time in prison, and today is considered a convicted felon.
After the release of four million pages of JFK assassination files in the 1990s, it became clear that Bolden -- and the official secrecy surrounding the Chicago attempt against JFK -- were due to National Security concerns about Cuba, that were unknown to Bolden, the press, Congress, and the public not just in 1963, but for the next four decades.
SNIP...
Abraham Bolden paid a heavy price for trying to tell the truth about events involving the man he was sworn to protect -- JFK -- that became mired in National Security concerns. Bolden still lives in Chicago, and has never given up trying to clear his name.
Will Abraham Bolden live to finally see the justice so long denied to him?
CONTINUED...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/thom-hartmann/after-45-years-a-civil-ri_b_213834.html
After the assassination, he went to Washington on his own dime and reported what he saw to the Warren Commission. For his trouble -- and despite an exemplary record as a Brinks detective, Illinois State Trooper, and Secret Service agent -- Bolden was framed by the government using a paid informant's admitted perjury and spent a long time in prison. The government also drugged him and put him into psychiatric hospitals.His real crime was telling the truth.
Americans know the Truth: the country hasn't been the same since Nov. 22, 1963. President Kennedy kept the nation out of Vietnam and started toward the moon. Imagine what the New Frontier could have become for us today? Certainly would not be a time where "money trumps peace."
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)and we will find out racism was very present on his detail and in the service, unless that is the only place in america where it isnt present, which is nonsense of course
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Hope he interviews Abraham Bolden. The good man is still alive -- and a witness to treason.
annabanana
(52,791 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Thank you, annabanana! Your friendship and standing up to these traitors means the world to me.
OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)uppityperson
(115,677 posts)this one is getting mostly negative reactions. Is it NoJusticeNoPeace that is the reason since in the past it seems most DUers agreed with this sentiment.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)No I dont...I know
A-Schwarzenegger
(15,596 posts)uppityperson
(115,677 posts)A-Schwarzenegger
(15,596 posts)Oscar's big person...
although this time of year,
when the potatoes are abundant
and the grubs plentiful and fat,
he gets to be bigger than me...
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)so apropos for this thread.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts).....since in the past it seems most DUers agreed with this sentiment.
I'm afraid that, to be somewhat blunt, this was *never* at all the case. NJNP just happened to be one of those people who got more open criticism than others, but there's some others who deserve just as much, or even more criticism.....
Here's one example-back in May of last year, somebody actually accused me of opposing Civil Rights simply because I disagreed with something he said: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4927345
I only do this to illustrate the seriousness of the problem, even if some on here may have a hard time accepting that it exists at all.
I'll leave you with this-it's not just about me, not in the least; there's been a fair number of others, too.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)but until we have further information, it's hard to know for sure.
They may just be fuckups.
Oktober
(1,488 posts)What makes you think there are only white people in the Secret Service?
Not everything is about race.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)Oktober
(1,488 posts)How can the secret service be racist if they have agents of every race in it?
Where is your proof?
A desperate need to make everything about race doesn't make it reality .
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)a. My thread had a question mark on it
b. I was obviously not accusing every single officer of being a racist
c. racism exists EVERYWHERE, agreed?
Oktober
(1,488 posts)How do you get through your day to day activities if everyone is a racist until proven otherwise?
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)Oktober
(1,488 posts)Racism is everywhere until proven otherwise... As it stands you have no proof. If you do, then I suggest you call the Times.
Must be difficult.
Still waiting for an answer by the way...
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)Oktober
(1,488 posts)... but acknowledging them is the first step.
Top of your list seem to be a strange desire to see racism wherever you look sans proof and couple that with a need to make things up so you don't have to acknowledge it when called out on your logical fallacies as I and others have done.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)Funny how the victims of racism haven't joined in your choir, wonder why that is?
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Most of them do their jobs with distinction but it only takes one mistake.
Enrique
(27,461 posts)imho
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)what I have said.
She and I and others are FURIOUS this is happening all of a sudden with the black family
good faith my ass
can you imagine what would happen if one of them allowed one of the first family to be harmed either thru intent or negligence
A-Schwarzenegger
(15,596 posts)for some reason...
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)as Rachel is,, only me?
A-Schwarzenegger
(15,596 posts)Learn to take a compliment.
Dan Quayle was the Vice-Presidente of the United States, sir.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)I see you are not as angry as Rachel is...got it
A-Schwarzenegger
(15,596 posts)and you can't figure out where the joke is,
you might be it.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)have to add to a discussion of racism is a bad joke, it isnt funny at all
A-Schwarzenegger
(15,596 posts)You think those 6 are racists?
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What do I think?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6360675
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
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Wow, what an overly nasty, insulting post. You can certainly try to get your point across without stopping just short of calling someone a troll.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Mar 13, 2015, 04:22 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.
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Explanation: The troll is a troll I vote to leave it alone.
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Explanation: But what if the troll IS a troll?
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)I cant help it if sometimes a jury has more than enough to insist that racism does NOT exist EVERYWHERE in America
Granted, you would not expect that on an alleged liberal board, but it does happen...
Racism exists everywhere in America including the SS...period
pintobean
(18,101 posts)A-Schwarzenegger has a fantastic sense of humor.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)Huh, funny people, is it or isnt it?
In tennis this is called
GAME
SET
MATCH
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Everywhere. Contemplate that for a moment. Is there racism under the chair I'm sitting in right now? Does that fit the definition of EVERYWHERE?
So here it is; if you were to ask me if racism was "everywhere", I'd say no.
cali
(114,904 posts)NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)so clearly WANTING to ask the question I asked but knows she cant.
That I figured a board of LIBERALS would just chime in with their equal anger over this UNPRECEDENTED stream of fuck ups by the SS
Response to NoJusticeNoPeace (Reply #106)
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NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)I'm confused. Why did you capitalize the word "WHITE" in the name White House? Is the color of the executive residence somehow racially sensitive? Is there racism in that the sandstone used to build it is a shabby color and was painted white? Would you have been able to post this thread if it were painted brown? What the fuck does the color of the house have to do with anything?
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)But that I have to say that is a clear indication that telling you this will be a waste of time
So you dont have to bother me with a second post, yes, I am saying WHITE people, not all but many, are angry as hell THEIR white house is occupied by a black family
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)"Some folks...", as with "some people say", sends up red flags for me. It says that what is coming next is anecdotal and can't be proven because it's simply what someone needs to believe in order to support their narrative. You've puffed out your chest and challenged everyone who didn't bow to you to say things they never even implied. To me that makes you less than honest.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Thanks for perfectly illustrating my point.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)President Obama's coalition truly was a wonderfully diverse one, more than any before it.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)a wonderfully diverse coalition, one I hope we will see again.
Back at ya:
cali
(114,904 posts)NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)that's just bizarre. I'll bet every poster (who isn't a troll) on this site voted for President Obama.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)others to say what you want them to say.
so c'mon, dear, spill it: Do you believe that there are DUers who don't like a black family living in the White House?
do tell.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)it is not safe for me to state my beliefs
cali
(114,904 posts)disagreeing with you with attempting to silence you. And yes, it's perfectly safe for you to state your beliefs. Oh, and your "laughter" rings hollow.
It's hard to have much more than disdain for someone who insists others answer his/her queries but who won't be straightforward.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)me and i have seen posts alerted on for supporting Hillary as well
cali
(114,904 posts)so do you believe that there are DUers who don't want a black family in the White House?
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Looking forward to the next OP!
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WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)And it's been done to death on DU. YAWN.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)sadly, is pretty much part of their ideological raison d'etre, along with, in some certain subsets, attacks on what they perceive as "white" read: mainstream) feminism, "white" read: not focused on any one ethnicity in particular) social justice activity, etc.
And this is just one more example of why the activist left needs an image makeover.....
A-Schwarzenegger
(15,596 posts)Oh, Lord. I don't believe it could get any sweeter.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)One, I didn't actually refer to the OP in particular, and two, I'm not at all the only person, by any means, who had an issue with this post.....
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)Alright, Social Justice Warrior. Are you saying the OP is a SJW and not a big ol' troll having fun on DU?
Who comprises the "activist left"? "Image makeover" into what?
A-Schwarzenegger
(15,596 posts)AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)Are you saying the OP is a SJW and not a big ol' troll having fun on DU?
If they were, however, it would be entirely possible to be *both* an SJW *and* a troll.....remember, trolls, more than anything, are typically 100% intentionally disruptive, but they can certainly believe in what they write.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)I'm not sure why some "divisive and shit stirring" posts get locked or deleted while yours continue day after day. But I've seen enough
cali
(114,904 posts)Throd
(7,208 posts)Or maybe it did. It gave you the opportunity to denounce a whole bunch of people as racists and not true liberals, therefore elevating your nobility.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)me.
I agree, silencing a liberal comment like mine is troubling on an alleged liberal website.
I cant for the life of me understand how anyone who is a liberal cant see that.
Throd
(7,208 posts)They are disagreeing with your assertion that everything is racist at all times.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)Could it be that maybe people really do have a *legitimate* issue with your hardline SJW-esque behavior(along with certain others on here as well)?
I'm sorry, but.....You. Are. Not. A. Victim.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)But here's the thing-it's how somebody goes about talking about it, that can make or break their argument: stuff like "all white people are racist", for example, is going to turn away a *lot* of potential allies, no matter how sugarcoated it may be on the outside. So, too, does stuff that sounds like it was lifted straight from a black nationalist oriented CT site.
rock
(13,218 posts)Or a pile of shit.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)I dont think all of them are racist, maybe not even most, but OF COURSE some are.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)I mean, sure, you've got Sotomayor, Ginsburg, Breyer and Kagan on the liberal side, but that still leaves wobbly Roberts and Kennedy, and the three asswipes firmly on the right: Alito, Scalia, and Thomas.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)I think that this belongs in the conspiracy theory section. Where do you even come up with stuff like this?
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)I am not surprised though.
Given every single thing you have EVER said on this board
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)NaturalHigh has been here over ten years. You've been here less than four months... right?
How could you possibly know everything he's ever said, even if you had been here all along? Which you haven't... right?
zappaman
(20,606 posts)I need to do laundry today.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)I hope you don't lose anything.
Calista241
(5,586 posts)Don't you think you're overreacting?
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)Overreacting?
wow
Calista241
(5,586 posts)the fact that someone took a shot at the President doesn't surprise me. the fact that nobody was hurt shouldn't be surprising either.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)Sure, it is possible there is racism in the SS. It exists in lots of police departments including the one in my home county. I doubt it magically goes away at the SS level. So, it is possible there are racists in the SS.
I don't understand the vitriol for a simple question. I'll give you a Rec and an I'm sorry you've been trapped in this thread with this bunch today. An awful lot of them are the usual suspects who seem to think their ideas of what racism is and is not is the final word and you will see them in EVERY thread on race, without fail.
I'm not so sure, one way or the other, myself. I can't tell a black person what is and is not racism no more than a straight person can tell me what is and is not homophobia. We just know, from our own experiences and perspectives. I certainly don't see the harm in discussing it. Geez. What a nasty thread.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)in society.
Here's the issue, however-the way he came across was rather inflammatory, and even came close to CT territory: I don't doubt the SS has it's own issues, but if it really had been taken over by racists, as was insinuated elsewhere on this thread.....well, you fill in the blanks.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)As I believe I said earlier, racism may WELL be the problem with the
Secret Service, but it may be something else, or a combination of things, but
we won't know for sure until the situation is truly examined.
The problem here, is that no one wants "maybe's" They want "yeah that's defeninitely racism",
without an examination of the situation, and that isn't workable...I GLADLY welcome
a thorough examination of the situation, and if racism is at the heart of the
SS failures, shout it long and loud, but one can't reach honest conclusions until
one LOOKS at the situation in an objective manner, and until that's done,
nothing can be determined about the matter.
Whatever the issue is, this SS team seems terribly incompetent, and if
I were POTUS, I'd fire every one of them.
als
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)weird
or 99% of them anyway
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)do it for you, many here have argued with my OP and were angered by it
Yet, if one agrees that racism is everywhere then racism MUST also be in SS
you see how that works?
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)if they did now would he? There have been way to many breach's in security at the WH to think there wasn't something going on & since it has never happened like this before under a "white" president it's pretty easy to connect the dots.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)racist and may give less care than usual, but as racism exists EVERYWHERE in america, there are racists in SS
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)Many of them will be the first one's out here defending the cops when an unarmed minority is gunned down. It's just the sad state of affairs but it is the good ole US of A.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)In case you hadn't noticed, people are mainly criticizing the OP's over-the-top presentation of his viewpoint, which frankly goes a bit into CT territory. Say what you will, but you have to admit that his initial assertion that the SS is full of racists was a little extreme(even if he seems to have backed down a bit since.).
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)I think they care very much. Whether they like the President or not, that is their job.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Welcome to DU, NJNP.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)again.
Zenlitened
(9,488 posts)Mention race, and the Angry White Males come running.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)elleng
(130,976 posts)DrDan
(20,411 posts)posts like this make DU look juvenile
(where is that tinfoil hat thingie?)
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)DUI is not good obviously, but that is another thing.
doc03
(35,349 posts)living quarters a few weeks back.