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Secret Service doesnt much care about protecting the black family in WHITE house? (Original Post) NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 OP
"White" House... handmade34 Mar 2015 #1
I think they care deeply. NCTraveler Mar 2015 #2
I think this is another horrible post. pintobean Mar 2015 #3
Aww...so sad NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #21
Look at your thread pintobean Mar 2015 #25
Yeah, bunch of folks who dont think racism exists...crazy eh NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #26
Okay, why don't you post some examples, then? nt AverageJoe90 Mar 2015 #183
Thread is full of people calling me a race baiter for alleging racism is everywhere in Amerca NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #192
I'll just be frank with you- AverageJoe90 Mar 2015 #201
Even I agree with you this time... Agschmid Mar 2015 #116
And, it's the same OP. pintobean Mar 2015 #118
Sure is interesting... Agschmid Mar 2015 #123
+1,000 GitRDun Mar 2015 #135
I agree. cilla4progress Mar 2015 #4
i think people are finally getting tired of the constant race baiting. NM_Birder Mar 2015 #5
You would hope melman Mar 2015 #7
LOL! Buzz Clik Mar 2015 #114
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Mar 2015 #12
And you win the award. Calling a liberal on a liberal message board a race baiter...who wants NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #27
I call em like I see em. NM_Birder Mar 2015 #29
NO, the ONLY people who accuse me of that are rightwingers and they do it everyday NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #31
You haven't read your own thread have you ? NM_Birder Mar 2015 #34
No liberal would EVER accuse another person of race baiting for bringing up race in an NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #55
I have another question. pintobean Mar 2015 #62
you are prtty full of yourself NM_Birder Mar 2015 #147
M<ore accurately, one merely calls them as they better validate his own personal biases... LanternWaste Mar 2015 #32
Sorry to go off topic ChazII Mar 2015 #163
There is no legitimate thing called "race baiting" gollygee Mar 2015 #43
THIS Zenlitened Mar 2015 #46
There is a faction at DU that is mugging for the camera... Buzz Clik Mar 2015 #115
Okay, how about "Seeing racism in EVERTHING and as the cause of EVERY problem whathehell Mar 2015 #86
Racism exists in every structure and system gollygee Mar 2015 #88
Really?...How about in interracial mariages? whathehell Mar 2015 #92
It's a part of every structure and system in the US gollygee Mar 2015 #94
If it's part of "every structure and system in the US", whathehell Mar 2015 #95
Marriage in a macro sense is part of a structure gollygee Mar 2015 #97
Maybe, but with respect to your previous statement that whathehell Mar 2015 #133
Context gollygee Mar 2015 #140
It is clear.. whathehell Mar 2015 #144
Lil. no ? NM_Birder Mar 2015 #148
Call it a good guess. ROFL gollygee Mar 2015 #157
Yes there is. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #164
Fabulous Number23 Mar 2015 #187
A lot of people are. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #165
"When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail." AverageJoe90 Mar 2015 #199
Amen. 840high Mar 2015 #204
There are black secret service agents too, ya know dissentient Mar 2015 #6
Dear god...speechless NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #22
UNREC brooklynite Mar 2015 #8
I think this is due to GW Bush taking the dept. away from 'treasury' and putting it in Homeland Sec. TheNutcracker Mar 2015 #9
When will ANYONE IN THE MEDIA mention GW Bush changing the dept. that heads up Secret Service? TheNutcracker Mar 2015 #10
Post removed Post removed Mar 2015 #11
i agree with your last sentence. m-lekktor Mar 2015 #14
Agreed, and that was a somewhat problematic hide.....as harsh as that reply may have been. nt AverageJoe90 Mar 2015 #48
A Whovian or Zalatix pintobean Mar 2015 #17
You are on a roll today AgingAmerican Mar 2015 #13
Jury results zappaman Mar 2015 #15
Wow, race really bothers some folks here at DEMOCRATIC underground...astounding NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #23
You just contradicted yourself AgingAmerican Mar 2015 #39
I'm not sure how you can attribute being drunk and trolling hookers with racism. underahedgerow Mar 2015 #50
What do you mean with this statement? Raine1967 Mar 2015 #52
He chose the leader of the Secret Service, Joe Clancy, and the guy who heads his security detail underahedgerow Mar 2015 #53
Thank you for the explanation. eom. Raine1967 Mar 2015 #61
What do I think? I think you are posting flamebait Marrah_G Mar 2015 #16
Liberals dont accuse other liberals of race baiting...period NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #58
Except AgingAmerican Mar 2015 #177
Bringing up the fact that racism is everywhere is not race baiting, but liberals know that NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #190
Who made you the spokesperson AgingAmerican Mar 2015 #209
Only cons accuse libs of race baiting, libs dont accuse libs of talking about race NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #217
I think like most of your posts leftynyc Mar 2015 #18
I think that is nonsense onenote Mar 2015 #19
I don't think its a deliberate thing but i do think, subconsciously, they don't value him Peregrine Took Mar 2015 #20
It is likely deliberate by some and subconscious with others in his detail. NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #24
Do you have any evidence to back this claim? AgingAmerican Mar 2015 #40
You've aquired the credentials to psycholonalyze the Secret Service? whathehell Mar 2015 #136
It's the dark sunglasses they wear on duty! AgingAmerican Mar 2015 #210
LOL whathehell Mar 2015 #234
I would be interested to know if past incidents were documented with former Presidents Siwsan Mar 2015 #28
You also have a more prevalent 24 hour news cycle Glassunion Mar 2015 #109
Wow, I guess I'm about the only one here who agrees cilla4progress Mar 2015 #30
You are not the only one, I am in agreement with you. uppityperson Mar 2015 #33
Cool cilla4progress Mar 2015 #35
Something sure is going on, and it needs to be corrected. Hoyt Mar 2015 #36
I agree too gollygee Mar 2015 #42
No such thing as "unconscious" racism, though..... AverageJoe90 Mar 2015 #47
I agree. And sub-conscious may be a better word. cilla4progress Mar 2015 #49
Of course there is unconscious racism and other unconscious bias gollygee Mar 2015 #54
+1 Blue_Tires Mar 2015 #37
It's impossible not to wonder, at the very least. Zenlitened Mar 2015 #38
Damn Solomon Mar 2015 #162
Thanks. - n/t Zenlitened Mar 2015 #207
What do I think? The_Commonist Mar 2015 #41
Waiting for alert results. A-Schwarzenegger Mar 2015 #51
JURY RESULTS (pleasantly surprised) A-Schwarzenegger Mar 2015 #57
Good jury pintobean Mar 2015 #59
Thanks for posting. The_Commonist Mar 2015 #60
And he did ask, "What do you all think?" A-Schwarzenegger Mar 2015 #64
not all of us are fooled. m-lekktor Mar 2015 #66
I would never have gotten involved in or even cared about this thread... The_Commonist Mar 2015 #76
He took it to the AA group. pintobean Mar 2015 #67
Why, pray tell, am I not surprised? AverageJoe90 Mar 2015 #168
I am going to out MY true self LOL NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #65
This is going a little far, TBH. AverageJoe90 Mar 2015 #44
I don't think the implication is the entire SS has been cilla4progress Mar 2015 #45
Not all, maybe not even most, but some for sure. NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #56
I think they care. bigwillq Mar 2015 #63
Here is their contact page, as a good citizen I am sure you will express your concerns directly to Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #68
OH tough guy, eh...Why dont YOU express YOUR concerns about why there are an NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #69
He just suggested that you put your money pintobean Mar 2015 #71
Unfounded...sure...so racism exists everywhere in america but SS NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #74
Then, contact them. pintobean Mar 2015 #78
You are embarrassing yourself, quit playing this game, just admit who you are NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #79
Lol. That's so weak pintobean Mar 2015 #80
I asked you why you always take a position like this in race threads???? NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #82
Yeah, I saw that. pintobean Mar 2015 #87
And you wont answer, got it. dont worry, I know why NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #89
I sent your thread to the greatest page. pintobean Mar 2015 #90
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Mar 2015 #75
I am not nearly as good as the dozen or more posters here who deny racism exists NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #77
Can you name any names? AverageJoe90 Mar 2015 #182
Every person here saying I am race baiting is saying there is no racism in SS, when of course there NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #191
Examples? AverageJoe90 Mar 2015 #200
bullshit. that is not what people are saying. Nor are they saying there isn't racism in the SS cali Mar 2015 #216
I can't think of a single poster here who denies that racism exists and is widespread. cali Mar 2015 #215
What are you raving about? Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #119
Oh my god, now I am guilty of a conspiracy to make the prez unsafe...I thought I had seen it all NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #121
Ask Secret Service Agent Abraham BOLDEN about how they treated JFK... Octafish Mar 2015 #70
Thank you, very familiar. There will be a book about the Obama era by a decent former SS agent NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #72
Great! Same long line of racists will be featured. Octafish Mar 2015 #211
As usual, Octafish.. you bring light to the discussion!. . . . . n/t annabanana Mar 2015 #171
We need to spread the word about Mr. Bolden. The good man is a witness to treason. Octafish Mar 2015 #213
Abraham Bolden interview on Smells Like Human Spirit podcast. OnyxCollie Mar 2015 #230
another K&R! for your post. I never knew this. n /t BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2015 #236
I find it odd that this same thought has been expressed on DU in the past with lots of recs, yet uppityperson Mar 2015 #73
I wonder what it is about me that bothers some people so much. NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #83
Yes, it's the singer not the song. A-Schwarzenegger Mar 2015 #85
Thanks Oscar's big person. I haven't been GDing much recently uppityperson Mar 2015 #125
I like that... A-Schwarzenegger Mar 2015 #127
nice add on to the story of Oacar and ... Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2015 #138
There's just one problem..... AverageJoe90 Mar 2015 #172
MAYBE...I have to admit that it's crossed my mind whathehell Mar 2015 #81
Racism and tin foil wrapped up in one... Oktober Mar 2015 #84
Oh, so the person pointing out racism is the racist? Oy vey NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #93
If they are making it up and it makes no logical sense... Oktober Mar 2015 #100
Oh for fucks sake NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #102
Adding a question mark doesn't excuse quackery... Oktober Mar 2015 #108
So racism does NOT exist everywhere in America? NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #111
That is indeed your default... Oktober Mar 2015 #120
So you deny that racism is everywhere in America, got it. NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #122
Look, I know it's uncomfortable to examine the less than desirable parts of yourself... Oktober Mar 2015 #124
So you deny racism exists everywhere in America...got it, i got it the first time NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #126
I will say that I fear for the safety of the first family due to the mistakes of the secret service. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #91
you are not asking this in good faith Enrique Mar 2015 #96
Nonsense. Of course I am, I am as angry as RAchel Maddow who has done everything BUT say NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #98
You just made me think of Dan Quayle and John Kennedy A-Schwarzenegger Mar 2015 #99
Endless attacks on someone telling the truth, is that all you have? So you arent as angry NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #101
Attack??? A-Schwarzenegger Mar 2015 #103
Not even funny one at that, at least try and be funny NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #104
If everybody's laughing A-Schwarzenegger Mar 2015 #105
I got the joke, problem is it isnt funny... Racism is an ugly thing, never funny, when all you NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #107
I've never seen a 6-1 vote on a post as bold as this one you alerted on... A-Schwarzenegger Mar 2015 #113
What are you talking about, I alerted NOTHING NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #117
Oh, it was funny. pintobean Mar 2015 #110
Great company...still no opinion on the question "racism is EVERYWHERE in America?" NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #112
Everywhere is a big word; quite possibly the biggest in the dictionary. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2015 #142
it's your OPINION, not some set in stone 'truth'. cali Mar 2015 #218
It's funny, what prompted this thread was Rachel Maddow being so angry about this, NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #106
This message was self-deleted by its author The_Commonist Mar 2015 #128
NO, I will not stop saying racism exists everywhere in America. NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #150
Are you equating the WHITE in White House with ethnicity in some way? cherokeeprogressive Mar 2015 #129
Some folks are uncomfortable that a black family is occupying the white house WHITE house NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #130
Sorry for the bother but I think you're being a little bit hyperbolic. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2015 #131
Being called a liar by you bothers me not at all, it in fact tells me i am hitting on all cylinders NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #132
Liar? Mmmmkay, no hyperbole here... Nnnope. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2015 #141
and many folks are clearly not, which is why the black family is occupying it in the first place. whathehell Mar 2015 #134
Yeah, that's true. AverageJoe90 Mar 2015 #173
Yes, it was whathehell Mar 2015 #179
I'll wager that none of them are posting on DU, dear. cali Mar 2015 #219
LoL NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #220
wait. you actually believe that there are DUers who don't want a black family in the White House? cali Mar 2015 #221
.. NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #222
you really are averse to simply answering a simple question. and awfully fond of badgering cali Mar 2015 #223
My laughter is my answer...cant help you beyond that, many here are determined to silence me so NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #224
delusions of... martyrdom. No one here is trying to silence you. You confuse cali Mar 2015 #225
sorry, many of my posts about racism have been alerted on for no reason other than to silence NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #226
prove it. cali Mar 2015 #229
Well played! zappaman Mar 2015 #137
This message was self-deleted by its author AverageJoe90 Mar 2015 #184
You don't care about race; you care about bashing liberals. WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2015 #139
With more than a few of the extreme SJWs, (mainstream) liberal bashing..... AverageJoe90 Mar 2015 #145
AverageJoe90 vs. NoJusticeNoPeace. A-Schwarzenegger Mar 2015 #146
There's just one problem. AverageJoe90 Mar 2015 #166
SJW? Single Jewish Woman? WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2015 #208
"... a big ol' troll having fun on DU..." A-Schwarzenegger Mar 2015 #214
I didn't necessarily say that they were anything. AverageJoe90 Mar 2015 #231
I think you're going on my very short ignore list Doctor_J Mar 2015 #143
I think your post is bullshit. cali Mar 2015 #149
I think this thread didn't go the way you wanted it to. or... Throd Mar 2015 #151
That's funny, I suggested racism exists everywhere in America including SS and many tried to silence NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #152
Nobody is trying to silence you, oh martyred one. Throd Mar 2015 #155
If only that were true, alert after alert after alert on me NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #156
But why do you think that is? AverageJoe90 Mar 2015 #170
Exactly. nt AverageJoe90 Mar 2015 #169
Most people on here would agree that racism is indeed a problem..... AverageJoe90 Mar 2015 #174
The same thing I think about the Supreme Court rock Mar 2015 #153
Referring to the SS? NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #154
The current USSC lineup kinda does suck. AverageJoe90 Mar 2015 #175
Oh boy. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #158
"Racism exists everywhere in America and is institutionalized" is a CT to you? wow NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #159
Yes. A conspiracy theory. At best. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #160
"Given every single thing you have EVER said on this board" pintobean Mar 2015 #161
Thanks for reminding me. zappaman Mar 2015 #176
It can be difficult keeping track of everything. pintobean Mar 2015 #178
Considering no harm has come to the President or his family, Calista241 Mar 2015 #167
LIke the bullet holes in the WH in the RESIDENCE??? NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #196
The White House is easily within range of gunfire from the street where any psycho can walk. Calista241 Mar 2015 #205
Oh damn. Rough day. Jamastiene Mar 2015 #180
Jamastiene, I don't think most here deny that racism does remain a serious problem...... AverageJoe90 Mar 2015 #181
Thank you.. whathehell Mar 2015 #185
Funny how ALL the people who argue against the existence of racism somewhere are ALWAYS white NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #195
Who has done this *here*, on *this thread*, however? nt AverageJoe90 Mar 2015 #232
everyone who argues with me that racism doesnt exist in SS, you can read the thread, i wont NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #233
Well I think a guy wouldn't have gotten halfway through it giftedgirl77 Mar 2015 #186
Exactly,, unprecedented ISSUES with black family in white house...of course not all SS agents are NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #194
Some people are just in denial... giftedgirl77 Mar 2015 #198
Not here on DU, though. AverageJoe90 Mar 2015 #202
I think, if the SS didn't care, Obama wouldn't be doing things such as Kimmel with confidence. ScreamingMeemie Mar 2015 #188
Looks like the Gang's all here Number23 Mar 2015 #189
Pathetic, isnt it. NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #193
It's Déjà vu all over again pintobean Mar 2015 #197
Like ringing a dinner bell. Zenlitened Mar 2015 #206
So plainly obvious at this point it's damn near painful. giftedgirl77 Mar 2015 #235
B.S. elleng Mar 2015 #203
I think it has nothing to do with it DrDan Mar 2015 #212
Not ready to assign racism to people ready to catch a bullet with chest. alphafemale Mar 2015 #227
That was my first thought when they let that guy nearly get into the doc03 Mar 2015 #228

handmade34

(22,756 posts)
1. "White" House...
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 12:55 PM
Mar 2015

that Black people built


"...they turned to African Americans – slave and free – to provide the bulk of labor that built the White House, the United States Capitol, and other early government buildings...

A major concern in the construction of the new public buildings in this remote location was the acquisition of building materials, such as stone, lumber, bricks, hardware, and nails. Black quarrymen, sawyers, brickmakers, and carpenters fashioned raw materials into the products used to erect the White House. Master stonemason, Collen Williamson, trained slaves on the spot at the government’s quarry at Aquia, Virginia. There slaves quarried and cut the rough stone that was later dressed and laid by Scottish stonecutters to erect the walls of the President’s House. Sawyers listed on government payrolls, such as "Jerry", "Jess", "Charles", "Len", "Dick", "Bill" and "Jim" undoubtedly were slaves leased from their masters. Free and slave blacks burnt bricks used to line the stone walls in temporary ricks on the President’s House grounds. Often working seven days a week during the high construction summer months alongside white workers and artisans, black laborers proved vital to the work force that created both the White House and U.S. Capitol..."



http://www.whitehousehistory.org/history/white-house-timelines/african-americans-1790s-1840s.html
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
2. I think they care deeply.
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 12:56 PM
Mar 2015

To the point they would die for him. Mistakes have been made that are unacceptable. There is a long history of mistakes. It sucks when one mistake could mean the death of the President. If they don't care, which no one would really believe, Obama wouldn't be here. Just like Bush, but with possible separate motives attached, a select few want Obama dead and would be willing to personally do it. Obama isn't currently alive because the SS doesn't much care about him.

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
192. Thread is full of people calling me a race baiter for alleging racism is everywhere in Amerca
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 06:52 PM
Mar 2015

you cant win this, you should give up

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
201. I'll just be frank with you-
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 09:19 PM
Mar 2015

The main problem is what you said: you insinuated that the SS, as a general whole, did not care about President Obama, because of his African-American background.....which people took issue with, and rightly so.

GitRDun

(1,846 posts)
135. +1,000
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 07:37 PM
Mar 2015

These "paint with a broad brush" posts to get a rise out of people say a lot more about the poster than anything else.

There might be some incompetence in the SS, but I have no doubt that the large majority of those folks would take a bullet for this President. The post dishonors their service.

cilla4progress

(24,738 posts)
4. I agree.
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 12:58 PM
Mar 2015

If I were Michelle I would be LIVID. I can't wait till they are back in private life. I imagine this experience has taken years off their lives.

I was so "proud" of our country when we elected President Obama. I am ashamed of it now. Obviously, not everyone or everything in it, but on many levels, ashamed.

I don't see how other countries can take us seriously. From the time of Ronnie Raygun forward, with a few exceptions, we have shown ourselves to be adolescent numbskulls - and dangerous ones at that. I'm sorry but I don't buy the "American exceptionalism" President Obama heralds. If I could move to Europe or Scandinavia to live out my years, I would!

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
7. You would hope
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 01:32 PM
Mar 2015

But that doesn't mean it'll stop. Some posters here do little else and the admin doesn't care.

Response to NM_Birder (Reply #5)

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
27. And you win the award. Calling a liberal on a liberal message board a race baiter...who wants
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 02:43 PM
Mar 2015

to talk abut the massive racism in America.

I get called that by rightwingers ALL DAY long, on other boards


I hope EVERYBODY here is seeing what is happening here..

 

NM_Birder

(1,591 posts)
34. You haven't read your own thread have you ?
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 02:52 PM
Mar 2015

Or are you simply calling every person that disagrees with you a WHITE republican rightwinger ?

Maybe it's more a case of you constantly racebaiting . Could that be it ?

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
55. No liberal would EVER accuse another person of race baiting for bringing up race in an
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 04:18 PM
Mar 2015

obvious situation where race is almost certainly an issue, which is every situation, by the way, or almost every situation

Never, not one, not ever...

anymore questions?

 

NM_Birder

(1,591 posts)
147. you are prtty full of yourself
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 12:02 PM
Mar 2015

just because there is a black president in the WHITE house.

see that, that is an example of your so cleaver and self absorbed race baiting. Just pointing our you are race baiting.

carry on. I'm sure you will

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
32. M<ore accurately, one merely calls them as they better validate his own personal biases...
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 02:51 PM
Mar 2015

M<ore accurately, one merely calls them as they better validate his own personal biases...

ChazII

(6,205 posts)
163. Sorry to go off topic
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 02:47 PM
Mar 2015

the only board I lurk around is Right Nation for the conservative views. Free Republic is too rabid. What boards do you read?

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
43. There is no legitimate thing called "race baiting"
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 03:38 PM
Mar 2015

It is a racist right-wing term used by people who are appalled that anyone would dare discuss racism. The term does not belong at DU. You are not entitled to remain in a bubble of white privilege where you don't have to hear about it. Racism will continue to be discussed here.

Zenlitened

(9,488 posts)
46. THIS
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 03:46 PM
Mar 2015
43. There is no legitimate thing called "race baiting"
It is a racist right-wing term used by people who are appaled that anyone would dare discuss racism.


Totally, totally agree.
 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
115. There is a faction at DU that is mugging for the camera...
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 05:32 PM
Mar 2015

The know people are watching and think they're cute.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
86. Okay, how about "Seeing racism in EVERTHING and as the cause of EVERY problem
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 05:05 PM
Mar 2015

in any and every situation which involves Black and White people"?

it's a little long, but I think that's what the posters mean by "race-baiting".

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
88. Racism exists in every structure and system
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 05:07 PM
Mar 2015

It is frequently at least a part of the problem. It is very very often at least present. Not seeing that is being an ostrich, with your head in the sand, or living in a bubble of white privilege.

The word "bait" is not about what someone feels internally. People are calling NoJusticeNoPeace a troll, outwardly. He isn't a troll. He's just saying something people don't want to hear.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
92. Really?...How about in interracial mariages?
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 05:13 PM
Mar 2015

Does at least one member of an interracial couple have to talk "racism" every time they have a problem?

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
94. It's a part of every structure and system in the US
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 05:15 PM
Mar 2015

including the secret service. It is not necessarily a part every individual marriage.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
95. If it's part of "every structure and system in the US",
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 05:16 PM
Mar 2015

then it would be, by your logic, part an interracial marriage as well.

Marriage is an institution too.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
97. Marriage in a macro sense is part of a structure
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 05:18 PM
Mar 2015

but on a micro sense, it is not a part of every one. I would be surprised if marriage laws or the system and structure of marriage on a macro level don't include racism in some way or another.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
133. Maybe, but with respect to your previous statement that
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 07:03 PM
Mar 2015

"Racism is a part of every structure and system", I'd say that may be true,

but it's not necessarily the predominant element in every situation.





gollygee

(22,336 posts)
140. Context
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 08:27 PM
Mar 2015

If you look at my subject line, it seems like it should be clear that I'm talking about situations involving structures and systems.

 

NM_Birder

(1,591 posts)
148. Lil. no ?
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 12:05 PM
Mar 2015

how the hell do you know what my race is ? Some might think you assume to much. What if I'm a black guy living in the WHITE world. You don't call that RACE BAITING ?


Sure you do, I can feel your temperature rise. "white privilege", THAT is RACE BAITING !

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
165. A lot of people are.
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 02:53 PM
Mar 2015

A lot of people, though, get some sort of validation from it.

When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
199. "When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail."
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 09:12 PM
Mar 2015

Pretty much every form of extremism in a nutshell, whether it be SJWs on the fringe left, or Manospherians, Teabaggers, etc. on the far right.

 

TheNutcracker

(2,104 posts)
9. I think this is due to GW Bush taking the dept. away from 'treasury' and putting it in Homeland Sec.
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 01:43 PM
Mar 2015

Homeland Sec. is the most loose run agency in the history of our country, and a HUGE additional layer of spending, unnecessary.

Now look at it.

Response to NoJusticeNoPeace (Original post)

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
15. Jury results
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 02:00 PM
Mar 2015

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service

On Fri Mar 13, 2015, 12:51 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Secret Service doesnt much care about protecting the black family in WHITE house?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026359881

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Race trolling

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Mar 13, 2015, 12:57 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

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NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
23. Wow, race really bothers some folks here at DEMOCRATIC underground...astounding
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 02:30 PM
Mar 2015

Lightweights

If you cant accept there is massive racism everywhere including the Secret Service, then you are not worthy of being in the discussion

Fucking god damn pathetic, someone puts forward the FACT that the Secret Service is having scandal after scandal while black family is in WH and that person is alerted on...

Are you FUCKING kidding me?

BTW, there was a FUCKING question mark at the end of my OP, someone who actually cares about the situation would talk about what happened and the possible reasons why, not ALERT the fucking post

underahedgerow

(1,232 posts)
50. I'm not sure how you can attribute being drunk and trolling hookers with racism.
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 03:53 PM
Mar 2015

I'm falling off the couch making that connection.

Couldn't we also speculate that the fault lies with the hiring practices? Or the leadership of the Secret Service?

Of course racism exists, no one claims it doesn't. But why attribute that one, solitary thing to the indiscretions of some employees? Why not fault their characters, their drinking problems, their penchant for partying and being very naughty?

It's not always about skin color. Sometimes people just screw up, and if it's being tolerated by management, then you have to question the management and leadership.

Most likely, President Obama trusted the wrong people to run his team. It happens, he's a busy guy, and those SS guys and their ilk tend to toss a LOT of horse shit around.

I just fired a long time employee who was head of security for a very high profile person I've recently been working for. He was a genuine f*** up who baffled everyone with his BS for nearly 8 years until I called him on it and got rid of him. He was Mr. X military, rude, wife beating, cheating, lying, swaggering bully guy with a LOT of crap to swing and nothing to back it up.

It happens.

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
52. What do you mean with this statement?
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 04:01 PM
Mar 2015
Most likely, President Obama trusted the wrong people to run his team. It happens, he's a busy guy, and those SS guys and their ilk tend to toss a LOT of horse shit around.
I was not aware that the President of the United States CHOSE his SEcret Service people, as a matter of fact, I am fairly confidant in saying the President of the Untied states does not.

underahedgerow

(1,232 posts)
53. He chose the leader of the Secret Service, Joe Clancy, and the guy who heads his security detail
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 04:05 PM
Mar 2015

has been with him for many years.

The eye should also be on the people in those positions to be held accountable for hiring practices and the people they hire.

No one gets it right every single time.

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
58. Liberals dont accuse other liberals of race baiting...period
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 04:27 PM
Mar 2015

when you accuse someone of race baiting

well, I cant finish that line, I am under constant attack here by people who are uncomfortable with the fact that there is so much racism everywhere, including and especially on DU

have a nice day...

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
209. Who made you the spokesperson
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 02:38 PM
Mar 2015

...for all things liberal? Race baiting and liberalism don't go hand in hand.

Peregrine Took

(7,415 posts)
20. I don't think its a deliberate thing but i do think, subconsciously, they don't value him
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 02:17 PM
Mar 2015

as he doesn't fit the traditional mode of what the president of the U.S. should be - in their minds.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
136. You've aquired the credentials to psycholonalyze the Secret Service?
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 07:45 PM
Mar 2015

You don't even know how many voted for him, let alone what's in their "subconscious".

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
210. It's the dark sunglasses they wear on duty!
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 02:43 PM
Mar 2015

They wear them so nobody sees the racist looks on their faces! Sunglasses are a window into their soul.

Siwsan

(26,272 posts)
28. I would be interested to know if past incidents were documented with former Presidents
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 02:47 PM
Mar 2015

But the media didn't pick up on, or just ignored them.

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
109. You also have a more prevalent 24 hour news cycle
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 05:27 PM
Mar 2015

and way more folks now carry cell phones with build in microphones and video cameras.

I'm sure you'd see more if these things were prevalent decades ago.

Of course we would have had to suffer additional decades of selfies... Getting to know America, one bathroom mirror at a time. Trying to find the right application that can make my ultra-gigga-mega-hd-pixel photo look like it was taken with a polaroid in low light... And let's not forget people taking pictures of shitty food (DEAR GOD DON'T LOOK AT MY POSTS IN COOKING AND BAKING) every time they sit down for a meal.

cilla4progress

(24,738 posts)
30. Wow, I guess I'm about the only one here who agrees
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 02:48 PM
Mar 2015

with the OP.

Like Peregrine, I think it may be un- or sub-conscious. But I do believe insidious racism flourishes throughout our society in America.

Perhaps I missed the news articles, but I've NEVER heard of this kind of ongoing, rampant, flagrant misbehavior by the SS under any previous President.

Have people not been following the racist emails out of the Ferguson PD? Do you suppose that is an isolated incident?

Can people here honestly say they don't personally encounter at least one racist interaction every week? I mean blatant, rude, over-the-top?

I hope I'm wrong about the SS. Perhaps I'm just terribly mis-informed and paranoid.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
33. You are not the only one, I am in agreement with you.
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 02:51 PM
Mar 2015

And don't live in GD so may be missing background on all the snarking. But for the OP by itself? you are not alone

cilla4progress

(24,738 posts)
35. Cool
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 02:56 PM
Mar 2015

Did anyone see this week in the media somewhere, where AA individuals were saying they never know when they are dealing with a white person, what kind of attitudes that person might harbor: are they racist? a little? a lot? are they not?

I can't imagine what it would be like to always have to watch my back, not know who to trust, who might question or doubt my very humanity.

A hell of a lot of people deal with this in their daily lives. As a woman, I have a taste of being objectified, judged not for the content of my character, but on superficialities. Presumed to embody certain qualities and characteristics. Valued not for my intellectual contributions, but on the basis of whatever standard the white male mainstream decides matters.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
42. I agree too
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 03:34 PM
Mar 2015

Racism is woven into systems and institutions in the US, and to think this system and institution is safe from it is ridiculous.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
47. No such thing as "unconscious" racism, though.....
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 03:47 PM
Mar 2015

Come on, now, it requires at least a *little* thought, even if sub-consciously.

I can say this: the SS has had it's problems to deal with since they were moved to DHS, that is certainly true. But it's not *all* about race. It may not even be a terribly significant part of said problem.

cilla4progress

(24,738 posts)
49. I agree. And sub-conscious may be a better word.
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 03:52 PM
Mar 2015

I can't figure another explanation other than subconscious racism, for not taking their job seriously to protect this most exposed and vulnerable first family. It follows a pattern I think we have all experienced in one way or another: how those first to break the glass ceiling are often not only held to a higher standard, but attacked for challenging the status quo.

My racist tea party neighbor told me that his cousin, who works in the Pentagon, so of course knows, said Pres. Obama isn't liked there either. I suppose some of it Pres. Obama's positions.

What do you suppose most Republicans think of Ben Carson or other far-right African-American politicians? Perhaps the dividing line is more politics, than race. Although race is surely a factor for many.

Zenlitened

(9,488 posts)
38. It's impossible not to wonder, at the very least.
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 03:16 PM
Mar 2015

As others have pointed out, there are many ways the constant (and plainly racist) messages devaluing Pres. Obama can seep into people and affect their attitudes.

I mean, just look at all the crankypants comments decrying "race-baiting!!1" that erupt at the mere mention of race and racial issues.

That is a purely right-wing invention, but seems to have seeped into discourse everywhere, now.

Note to white (like me) folks: calm down, wouldya?

Talking about race is not racism. Getting all pissy whenever the topic comes up, on the other hand... that might be a sign you've got some baggage to sort through.

In which case, a little dialog and discussion could only help, no?

The_Commonist

(2,518 posts)
41. What do I think?
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 03:32 PM
Mar 2015

I think this is a disgusting post, and you should be ashamed of yourself. But somehow I think you are incapable of that.

Yes, we have horrible racial problems in this country, and yes, Mr. Obama and his family have been subject to unprecedented amounts of vitriol. But for you to say that the entire Secret Service "doesnt much care about protecting the black family in WHITE house" is just beyond the pale. Your short history here at DU has been riddled with ridiculous, attention-seeking posts, and I don't think you care one bit about "justice" or "peace." I think you care about nothing other than drawing attention to your clever self.

I'm not going to go as far as ProdigalJunkMail did in his post (I was on that jury and I voted to keep it), but I agreed with the sentiment. You're going to slip up soon and out your true self, and get banned from this place, and there will be much rejoicing.

A-Schwarzenegger

(15,596 posts)
57. JURY RESULTS (pleasantly surprised)
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 04:26 PM
Mar 2015

On Fri Mar 13, 2015, 03:57 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

What do I think?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6360675

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Wow, what an overly nasty, insulting post. You can certainly try to get your point across without stopping just short of calling someone a troll.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Mar 13, 2015, 04:22 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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A-Schwarzenegger

(15,596 posts)
64. And he did ask, "What do you all think?"
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 04:36 PM
Mar 2015

Somebody said,
"Don't ask me nothin about nothin,
I just might tell you the truth."

The_Commonist

(2,518 posts)
76. I would never have gotten involved in or even cared about this thread...
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 04:57 PM
Mar 2015

...except I was on the jury for ProdigalJunkMail's post.

I saw who the OP was and was like "Oh, that one!"
A serial attention-seeker, who calls everyone who disagrees a right-winger, a relative newbie who doesn't seem to understand that some of us have been on the internet for decades now, and can see through their bullshit.

This has gotten to be really boring now...

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
168. Why, pray tell, am I not surprised?
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 03:18 PM
Mar 2015

He couldn't handle the heat, I guess, so he took it to the one place where he thought he could get away with his schtick.....

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
65. I am going to out MY true self LOL
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 04:40 PM
Mar 2015

DEAR FUCKING GOD this is a

L I B E R A L

MESSAGE BOARD



Thank you for letting me know who you are, though...very helpful

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
44. This is going a little far, TBH.
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 03:42 PM
Mar 2015

I'll just reiterate what certain others have said: Yes, there is still a major problem with racism in this country; it may not infect the majority of American society, but it is all over many police departments, and in the Republican Party, etc.....but to imply that the Secret Service has been taken over by racists, without any proof, is simply ridiculous.

cilla4progress

(24,738 posts)
45. I don't think the implication is the entire SS has been
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 03:45 PM
Mar 2015

taken over by racists.

Has racism in some subtle, even subconscious way taken over some members of the SS? In my mind, undoubtedly.

No need for vitriol here. We are among friends.

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
63. I think they care.
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 04:35 PM
Mar 2015

But it really doesn't matter what I think. It matters what the Obama and his administration thinks. If they're not happy with the job being done by the SS, then they need to get new agents.

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
69. OH tough guy, eh...Why dont YOU express YOUR concerns about why there are an
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 04:49 PM
Mar 2015

unprecedented number of incidents that just happen to be while a black family is in the White House

Why dont YOU do that!


Jesus, talk about crossing the line.

Thank your for proving my point, by the way...



Most of the time when I put that emoticon on here I am just venting and trying not to get angry, you made me fucking, fucking angry

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
71. He just suggested that you put your money
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 04:53 PM
Mar 2015

where your mouth is. He's not the one ranting and making ridiculous, unfounded charges. You are.

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
74. Unfounded...sure...so racism exists everywhere in america but SS
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 04:54 PM
Mar 2015

tell that to the first black SS agent...

Why are you bothering to argue with me?

Racism exists EVERYWHERE INCLUDING SS

No person with an open and honest mind will deny that...sorry, but you lost the argument before it started.

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
79. You are embarrassing yourself, quit playing this game, just admit who you are
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 04:59 PM
Mar 2015

Why you are always in threads with an attitude when race is an issue

hmm?

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
87. Yeah, I saw that.
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 05:07 PM
Mar 2015

It's a bullshit question.
You did that to divert from Blue's suggestion. You're weaving, dodging and bobbing.

Response to NoJusticeNoPeace (Reply #69)

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
77. I am not nearly as good as the dozen or more posters here who deny racism exists
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 04:57 PM
Mar 2015
everywhere in America

now THAT is a performance

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
191. Every person here saying I am race baiting is saying there is no racism in SS, when of course there
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 06:51 PM
Mar 2015

is

so they are denying it exists everywhere which is what i said

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
200. Examples?
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 09:14 PM
Mar 2015

Can you provide any examples of people actually saying that there is *literally* definitely no racism at all in the S.S.?

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
216. bullshit. that is not what people are saying. Nor are they saying there isn't racism in the SS
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 03:10 PM
Mar 2015

people are saying that they believe that the SS is committed to protecting the President and his family.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
215. I can't think of a single poster here who denies that racism exists and is widespread.
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 03:09 PM
Mar 2015

make a claim like you did, it's incumbent on you to post some evidence that your claim is factual.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
119. What are you raving about?
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 05:38 PM
Mar 2015

I do not automatically see a post such as yours as a positive thing. The reasons a person might want to create the impression that the President is not safe are mostly not good reasons.
Not sure why offering that you should be an active citizen on a board for citizen activists is angering to you. But when matters of security are being discussed, here is who matters to me: the people being protected. That's it. I don't give a shit if it makes you mad to hear it, but I think that claiming Obama's door is unlocked all over the internet is a shitty thing to do.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
70. Ask Secret Service Agent Abraham BOLDEN about how they treated JFK...
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 04:51 PM
Mar 2015

Former U.S. Secret Service Agent Abraham BOLDEN was the first African American Secret Service agent to serve in the White House, personally appointed and literally hand-picked by President John F. Kennedy to the White House detail. Agent Abraham Bolden reported overt racism by his fellow agents and outright hostility toward the "n------loving president," quoting fellow Secret Service agents on the JFK detail.

In addition to enduring all manner of personal indignities, he was concerned at the lack of professionalism in those assigned to protect the president and reported his concerns. He was told, "OK. Thanks" by his superiors. When the problems weren't addressed, Bolden requested transfer back to the Secret Service office in Chicago.



Abraham Bolden speaks at JFK Lancer.



The story of a man who told the truth:



After 45 Years, a Civil Rights Hero Waits for Justice

Thom Hartmann
June 12, 2009 11:52 AM

A great miscarriage of justice has kept most Americas from learning about a Civil Rights pioneer who worked with President John F. Kennedy. But there is finally a way for citizens to not only right that wrong, but bring closure to the most tragic chapter of American presidential history.

After an outstanding career in law enforcement, Abraham Bolden was appointed by JFK to be the first African American presidential Secret Service agent, where he served with distinction. He was part of the Secret Service effort that prevented JFK's assassination in Chicago, three weeks before Dallas. But Bolden was framed by the Mafia and arrested on the very day he went to Washington to tell the Warren Commission staff about the Chicago attempt against JFK.

Bolden was sentenced to six years in prison, despite glaring problems with his prosecution. His arrest resulted from accusations by two criminals Bolden had sent to prison. In Bolden's first trial, an apparently biased judge told the jury that Bolden was guilty, even before they began their deliberations. Though granted a new trial because of that, the same problematic judge was assigned to oversee Bolden's second trial, which resulted in his conviction. Later, the main witness against Bolden admitted committing perjury against him. A key member of the prosecution even took the fifth when asked about the perjury. Yet Bolden's appeals were denied, and he had to serve hard time in prison, and today is considered a convicted felon.

After the release of four million pages of JFK assassination files in the 1990s, it became clear that Bolden -- and the official secrecy surrounding the Chicago attempt against JFK -- were due to National Security concerns about Cuba, that were unknown to Bolden, the press, Congress, and the public not just in 1963, but for the next four decades.

SNIP...

Abraham Bolden paid a heavy price for trying to tell the truth about events involving the man he was sworn to protect -- JFK -- that became mired in National Security concerns. Bolden still lives in Chicago, and has never given up trying to clear his name.

Will Abraham Bolden live to finally see the justice so long denied to him?

CONTINUED...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/thom-hartmann/after-45-years-a-civil-ri_b_213834.html



After the assassination, he went to Washington on his own dime and reported what he saw to the Warren Commission. For his trouble -- and despite an exemplary record as a Brinks detective, Illinois State Trooper, and Secret Service agent -- Bolden was framed by the government using a paid informant's admitted perjury and spent a long time in prison. The government also drugged him and put him into psychiatric hospitals.His real crime was telling the truth.

Americans know the Truth: the country hasn't been the same since Nov. 22, 1963. President Kennedy kept the nation out of Vietnam and started toward the moon. Imagine what the New Frontier could have become for us today? Certainly would not be a time where "money trumps peace."

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
72. Thank you, very familiar. There will be a book about the Obama era by a decent former SS agent
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 04:53 PM
Mar 2015

and we will find out racism was very present on his detail and in the service, unless that is the only place in america where it isnt present, which is nonsense of course

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
211. Great! Same long line of racists will be featured.
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 02:44 PM
Mar 2015

Hope he interviews Abraham Bolden. The good man is still alive -- and a witness to treason.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
213. We need to spread the word about Mr. Bolden. The good man is a witness to treason.
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 02:47 PM
Mar 2015


Thank you, annabanana! Your friendship and standing up to these traitors means the world to me.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
73. I find it odd that this same thought has been expressed on DU in the past with lots of recs, yet
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 04:54 PM
Mar 2015

this one is getting mostly negative reactions. Is it NoJusticeNoPeace that is the reason since in the past it seems most DUers agreed with this sentiment.

A-Schwarzenegger

(15,596 posts)
127. I like that...
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 05:50 PM
Mar 2015

Oscar's big person...

although this time of year,
when the potatoes are abundant
and the grubs plentiful and fat,
he gets to be bigger than me...

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
172. There's just one problem.....
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 03:47 PM
Mar 2015
.....since in the past it seems most DUers agreed with this sentiment.


I'm afraid that, to be somewhat blunt, this was *never* at all the case. NJNP just happened to be one of those people who got more open criticism than others, but there's some others who deserve just as much, or even more criticism.....

Here's one example-back in May of last year, somebody actually accused me of opposing Civil Rights simply because I disagreed with something he said: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4927345

I only do this to illustrate the seriousness of the problem, even if some on here may have a hard time accepting that it exists at all.

I'll leave you with this-it's not just about me, not in the least; there's been a fair number of others, too.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
81. MAYBE...I have to admit that it's crossed my mind
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 05:00 PM
Mar 2015

but until we have further information, it's hard to know for sure.

They may just be fuckups.

 

Oktober

(1,488 posts)
84. Racism and tin foil wrapped up in one...
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 05:04 PM
Mar 2015

What makes you think there are only white people in the Secret Service?

Not everything is about race.

 

Oktober

(1,488 posts)
100. If they are making it up and it makes no logical sense...
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 05:21 PM
Mar 2015

How can the secret service be racist if they have agents of every race in it?

Where is your proof?

A desperate need to make everything about race doesn't make it reality .

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
102. Oh for fucks sake
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 05:23 PM
Mar 2015

a. My thread had a question mark on it

b. I was obviously not accusing every single officer of being a racist

c. racism exists EVERYWHERE, agreed?

 

Oktober

(1,488 posts)
108. Adding a question mark doesn't excuse quackery...
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 05:27 PM
Mar 2015


How do you get through your day to day activities if everyone is a racist until proven otherwise?
 

Oktober

(1,488 posts)
120. That is indeed your default...
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 05:38 PM
Mar 2015

Racism is everywhere until proven otherwise... As it stands you have no proof. If you do, then I suggest you call the Times.

Must be difficult.

Still waiting for an answer by the way...

 

Oktober

(1,488 posts)
124. Look, I know it's uncomfortable to examine the less than desirable parts of yourself...
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 05:43 PM
Mar 2015

... but acknowledging them is the first step.

Top of your list seem to be a strange desire to see racism wherever you look sans proof and couple that with a need to make things up so you don't have to acknowledge it when called out on your logical fallacies as I and others have done.

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
126. So you deny racism exists everywhere in America...got it, i got it the first time
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 05:47 PM
Mar 2015

Funny how the victims of racism haven't joined in your choir, wonder why that is?

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
91. I will say that I fear for the safety of the first family due to the mistakes of the secret service.
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 05:13 PM
Mar 2015

Most of them do their jobs with distinction but it only takes one mistake.

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
98. Nonsense. Of course I am, I am as angry as RAchel Maddow who has done everything BUT say
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 05:18 PM
Mar 2015

what I have said.

She and I and others are FURIOUS this is happening all of a sudden with the black family

good faith my ass

can you imagine what would happen if one of them allowed one of the first family to be harmed either thru intent or negligence

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
101. Endless attacks on someone telling the truth, is that all you have? So you arent as angry
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 05:21 PM
Mar 2015

as Rachel is,, only me?

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
107. I got the joke, problem is it isnt funny... Racism is an ugly thing, never funny, when all you
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 05:26 PM
Mar 2015

have to add to a discussion of racism is a bad joke, it isnt funny at all

A-Schwarzenegger

(15,596 posts)
113. I've never seen a 6-1 vote on a post as bold as this one you alerted on...
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 05:31 PM
Mar 2015

You think those 6 are racists?

---------------------------
What do I think?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6360675

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Wow, what an overly nasty, insulting post. You can certainly try to get your point across without stopping just short of calling someone a troll.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Mar 13, 2015, 04:22 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
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Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The troll is a troll I vote to leave it alone.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: IMO this is a valid response to a flame-baiting OP.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: But what if the troll IS a troll?

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
117. What are you talking about, I alerted NOTHING
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 05:33 PM
Mar 2015

I cant help it if sometimes a jury has more than enough to insist that racism does NOT exist EVERYWHERE in America

Granted, you would not expect that on an alleged liberal board, but it does happen...


Racism exists everywhere in America including the SS...period

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
112. Great company...still no opinion on the question "racism is EVERYWHERE in America?"
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 05:28 PM
Mar 2015

Huh, funny people, is it or isnt it?


In tennis this is called

GAME

SET

MATCH

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
142. Everywhere is a big word; quite possibly the biggest in the dictionary.
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 09:47 PM
Mar 2015

Everywhere. Contemplate that for a moment. Is there racism under the chair I'm sitting in right now? Does that fit the definition of EVERYWHERE?

So here it is; if you were to ask me if racism was "everywhere", I'd say no.

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
106. It's funny, what prompted this thread was Rachel Maddow being so angry about this,
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 05:25 PM
Mar 2015

so clearly WANTING to ask the question I asked but knows she cant.

That I figured a board of LIBERALS would just chime in with their equal anger over this UNPRECEDENTED stream of fuck ups by the SS

Response to NoJusticeNoPeace (Reply #106)

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
129. Are you equating the WHITE in White House with ethnicity in some way?
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 06:28 PM
Mar 2015

I'm confused. Why did you capitalize the word "WHITE" in the name White House? Is the color of the executive residence somehow racially sensitive? Is there racism in that the sandstone used to build it is a shabby color and was painted white? Would you have been able to post this thread if it were painted brown? What the fuck does the color of the house have to do with anything?

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
130. Some folks are uncomfortable that a black family is occupying the white house WHITE house
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 06:42 PM
Mar 2015

But that I have to say that is a clear indication that telling you this will be a waste of time

So you dont have to bother me with a second post, yes, I am saying WHITE people, not all but many, are angry as hell THEIR white house is occupied by a black family

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
131. Sorry for the bother but I think you're being a little bit hyperbolic.
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 06:56 PM
Mar 2015

"Some folks...", as with "some people say", sends up red flags for me. It says that what is coming next is anecdotal and can't be proven because it's simply what someone needs to believe in order to support their narrative. You've puffed out your chest and challenged everyone who didn't bow to you to say things they never even implied. To me that makes you less than honest.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
173. Yeah, that's true.
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 03:49 PM
Mar 2015

President Obama's coalition truly was a wonderfully diverse one, more than any before it.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
221. wait. you actually believe that there are DUers who don't want a black family in the White House?
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 03:26 PM
Mar 2015

that's just bizarre. I'll bet every poster (who isn't a troll) on this site voted for President Obama.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
223. you really are averse to simply answering a simple question. and awfully fond of badgering
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 03:45 PM
Mar 2015

others to say what you want them to say.

so c'mon, dear, spill it: Do you believe that there are DUers who don't like a black family living in the White House?

do tell.

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
224. My laughter is my answer...cant help you beyond that, many here are determined to silence me so
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 03:46 PM
Mar 2015

it is not safe for me to state my beliefs

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
225. delusions of... martyrdom. No one here is trying to silence you. You confuse
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 03:51 PM
Mar 2015

disagreeing with you with attempting to silence you. And yes, it's perfectly safe for you to state your beliefs. Oh, and your "laughter" rings hollow.

It's hard to have much more than disdain for someone who insists others answer his/her queries but who won't be straightforward.

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
226. sorry, many of my posts about racism have been alerted on for no reason other than to silence
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 03:54 PM
Mar 2015

me and i have seen posts alerted on for supporting Hillary as well

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
229. prove it.
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 04:15 PM
Mar 2015

so do you believe that there are DUers who don't want a black family in the White House?

Response to zappaman (Reply #137)

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
145. With more than a few of the extreme SJWs, (mainstream) liberal bashing.....
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 09:57 PM
Mar 2015

sadly, is pretty much part of their ideological raison d'etre, along with, in some certain subsets, attacks on what they perceive as "white&quot read: mainstream) feminism, "white&quot read: not focused on any one ethnicity in particular) social justice activity, etc.

And this is just one more example of why the activist left needs an image makeover.....

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
166. There's just one problem.
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 03:00 PM
Mar 2015

One, I didn't actually refer to the OP in particular, and two, I'm not at all the only person, by any means, who had an issue with this post.....

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
208. SJW? Single Jewish Woman?
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 11:50 AM
Mar 2015

Alright, Social Justice Warrior. Are you saying the OP is a SJW and not a big ol' troll having fun on DU?

Who comprises the "activist left"? "Image makeover" into what?

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
231. I didn't necessarily say that they were anything.
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 04:25 PM
Mar 2015
Are you saying the OP is a SJW and not a big ol' troll having fun on DU?


If they were, however, it would be entirely possible to be *both* an SJW *and* a troll.....remember, trolls, more than anything, are typically 100% intentionally disruptive, but they can certainly believe in what they write.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
143. I think you're going on my very short ignore list
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 09:52 PM
Mar 2015

I'm not sure why some "divisive and shit stirring" posts get locked or deleted while yours continue day after day. But I've seen enough

Throd

(7,208 posts)
151. I think this thread didn't go the way you wanted it to. or...
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 01:17 PM
Mar 2015

Or maybe it did. It gave you the opportunity to denounce a whole bunch of people as racists and not true liberals, therefore elevating your nobility.

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
152. That's funny, I suggested racism exists everywhere in America including SS and many tried to silence
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 01:19 PM
Mar 2015

me.

I agree, silencing a liberal comment like mine is troubling on an alleged liberal website.

I cant for the life of me understand how anyone who is a liberal cant see that.

Throd

(7,208 posts)
155. Nobody is trying to silence you, oh martyred one.
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 01:28 PM
Mar 2015

They are disagreeing with your assertion that everything is racist at all times.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
170. But why do you think that is?
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 03:23 PM
Mar 2015

Could it be that maybe people really do have a *legitimate* issue with your hardline SJW-esque behavior(along with certain others on here as well)?

I'm sorry, but.....You. Are. Not. A. Victim.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
174. Most people on here would agree that racism is indeed a problem.....
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 03:52 PM
Mar 2015

But here's the thing-it's how somebody goes about talking about it, that can make or break their argument: stuff like "all white people are racist", for example, is going to turn away a *lot* of potential allies, no matter how sugarcoated it may be on the outside. So, too, does stuff that sounds like it was lifted straight from a black nationalist oriented CT site.

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
154. Referring to the SS?
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 01:27 PM
Mar 2015

I dont think all of them are racist, maybe not even most, but OF COURSE some are.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
175. The current USSC lineup kinda does suck.
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 03:56 PM
Mar 2015

I mean, sure, you've got Sotomayor, Ginsburg, Breyer and Kagan on the liberal side, but that still leaves wobbly Roberts and Kennedy, and the three asswipes firmly on the right: Alito, Scalia, and Thomas.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
158. Oh boy.
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 01:53 PM
Mar 2015

I think that this belongs in the conspiracy theory section. Where do you even come up with stuff like this?

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
159. "Racism exists everywhere in America and is institutionalized" is a CT to you? wow
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 01:56 PM
Mar 2015

I am not surprised though.

Given every single thing you have EVER said on this board

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
161. "Given every single thing you have EVER said on this board"
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 02:28 PM
Mar 2015

NaturalHigh has been here over ten years. You've been here less than four months... right?

How could you possibly know everything he's ever said, even if you had been here all along? Which you haven't... right?

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
205. The White House is easily within range of gunfire from the street where any psycho can walk.
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 11:19 PM
Mar 2015

the fact that someone took a shot at the President doesn't surprise me. the fact that nobody was hurt shouldn't be surprising either.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
180. Oh damn. Rough day.
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 04:17 PM
Mar 2015

Sure, it is possible there is racism in the SS. It exists in lots of police departments including the one in my home county. I doubt it magically goes away at the SS level. So, it is possible there are racists in the SS.

I don't understand the vitriol for a simple question. I'll give you a Rec and an I'm sorry you've been trapped in this thread with this bunch today. An awful lot of them are the usual suspects who seem to think their ideas of what racism is and is not is the final word and you will see them in EVERY thread on race, without fail.

I'm not so sure, one way or the other, myself. I can't tell a black person what is and is not racism no more than a straight person can tell me what is and is not homophobia. We just know, from our own experiences and perspectives. I certainly don't see the harm in discussing it. Geez. What a nasty thread.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
181. Jamastiene, I don't think most here deny that racism does remain a serious problem......
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 04:36 PM
Mar 2015

in society.

Here's the issue, however-the way he came across was rather inflammatory, and even came close to CT territory: I don't doubt the SS has it's own issues, but if it really had been taken over by racists, as was insinuated elsewhere on this thread.....well, you fill in the blanks.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
185. Thank you..
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 06:05 PM
Mar 2015

As I believe I said earlier, racism may WELL be the problem with the

Secret Service, but it may be something else, or a combination of things, but

we won't know for sure until the situation is truly examined.

The problem here, is that no one wants "maybe's" They want "yeah that's defeninitely racism",

without an examination of the situation, and that isn't workable...I GLADLY welcome

a thorough examination of the situation, and if racism is at the heart of the

SS failures, shout it long and loud, but one can't reach honest conclusions until

one LOOKS at the situation in an objective manner, and until that's done,

nothing can be determined about the matter.

Whatever the issue is, this SS team seems terribly incompetent, and if

I were POTUS, I'd fire every one of them.
















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NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
195. Funny how ALL the people who argue against the existence of racism somewhere are ALWAYS white
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 06:55 PM
Mar 2015

weird

or 99% of them anyway

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
233. everyone who argues with me that racism doesnt exist in SS, you can read the thread, i wont
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 04:33 PM
Mar 2015

do it for you, many here have argued with my OP and were angered by it

Yet, if one agrees that racism is everywhere then racism MUST also be in SS

you see how that works?

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
186. Well I think a guy wouldn't have gotten halfway through it
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 06:33 PM
Mar 2015

if they did now would he? There have been way to many breach's in security at the WH to think there wasn't something going on & since it has never happened like this before under a "white" president it's pretty easy to connect the dots.

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
194. Exactly,, unprecedented ISSUES with black family in white house...of course not all SS agents are
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 06:54 PM
Mar 2015

racist and may give less care than usual, but as racism exists EVERYWHERE in america, there are racists in SS

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
198. Some people are just in denial...
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 09:07 PM
Mar 2015

Many of them will be the first one's out here defending the cops when an unarmed minority is gunned down. It's just the sad state of affairs but it is the good ole US of A.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
202. Not here on DU, though.
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 09:26 PM
Mar 2015

In case you hadn't noticed, people are mainly criticizing the OP's over-the-top presentation of his viewpoint, which frankly goes a bit into CT territory. Say what you will, but you have to admit that his initial assertion that the SS is full of racists was a little extreme(even if he seems to have backed down a bit since.).

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
188. I think, if the SS didn't care, Obama wouldn't be doing things such as Kimmel with confidence.
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 06:35 PM
Mar 2015

I think they care very much. Whether they like the President or not, that is their job.

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
212. I think it has nothing to do with it
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 02:44 PM
Mar 2015

posts like this make DU look juvenile

(where is that tinfoil hat thingie?)

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
227. Not ready to assign racism to people ready to catch a bullet with chest.
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 04:03 PM
Mar 2015

DUI is not good obviously, but that is another thing.

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