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CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 04:23 PM Mar 2015

Do white folks who object to the use of the term "Cracker"...

Do they really have a right to complain about the use of that term when we often hear white people use it to refer to other white people?


(Although the OP is intended to be ironic, in truth, I don't object to the use of Cracker term, since it's a term used to describe someone who is racist. I object to any use of the N-word, but it's not my place to tell the racial targets of that word whether I approve of them using it or not)

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Do white folks who object to the use of the term "Cracker"... (Original Post) CreekDog Mar 2015 OP
How about Skidmore Mar 2015 #1
Your simple and common sense proposal Township75 Mar 2015 #48
I thought Camper Van Beethoven was a more clever name underpants Mar 2015 #2
Well played. zappaman Mar 2015 #18
Kicking for the subthread. Brickbat Mar 2015 #19
Ok! zappaman Mar 2015 #21
Yes, anyone has "a right" to complain about anything. Sissyk Mar 2015 #3
Agreed. I only see it used on DU. yeoman6987 Mar 2015 #41
I have never heard a white person call another "cracker". I have been Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #4
. dumbcat Mar 2015 #5
It's usually a pejorative./NT DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #6
People can and should object to anything that offends them... Jenny Red Eye Mar 2015 #7
Do you *want* to call people derogatory names? . . . Journeyman Mar 2015 #8
If someone's a racist and they get called a cracker CreekDog Mar 2015 #34
I was born in Florida, so that makes me a Cracker. Warpy Mar 2015 #9
I'm with you. Polly Hennessey Mar 2015 #14
My black friends called me Honkie when a racist white guys around. LiberalArkie Mar 2015 #51
Doesn't offend me, it has no power over me. Meh nt geek tragedy Mar 2015 #10
Doesn't bother me in the least. nt Bobbie Jo Mar 2015 #11
Yes bigwillq Mar 2015 #12
Would you object to 'CreekBitch?' B2G Mar 2015 #13
Probably KamaAina Mar 2015 #23
. bravenak Mar 2015 #26
Would you object to maternity coverage being a mandatory requirement of health insurance? CreekDog Mar 2015 #33
That's hilarious. /nt pintobean Mar 2015 #52
Were "Crackers" lynched on a regular basis? Enslaved? Sent to the back of the bus? NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #15
I've heard it used (here in Florida) but never thought much about it. I DO know that... BlueJazz Mar 2015 #16
Florida Crackers are supposed to be named for the whips used on cattle csziggy Mar 2015 #43
Thanks for the information. Interesting. Makes sense though. About the only time I've... BlueJazz Mar 2015 #63
I grew up in Polk County and for the 100th anniversary they had a musical csziggy Mar 2015 #69
My friends and I sometimes refer to each other as "Cracka" Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #17
It's insulting but it doesn't cause me fear Marrah_G Mar 2015 #20
I would just treat it as a sure sign that the person is a mental midget... same as use of n****er... Oktober Mar 2015 #22
fwiw, thought you might appreciate knowing someone is reading your posts uppityperson Mar 2015 #24
Jury Results: Number23 Mar 2015 #25
I'd be prouder to be #7. Dr. Strange Mar 2015 #42
I'm not white but I hate it. I EAT crackers, duh. I don't eat white people. bravenak Mar 2015 #27
I might have a modest proposal for you... ScreamingMeemie Mar 2015 #50
I might be willing! bravenak Mar 2015 #57
Darn it. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #54
I can't believe I left that so open. bravenak Mar 2015 #59
I love nibbling Gio JustAnotherGen Mar 2015 #58
Geo is smart! bravenak Mar 2015 #61
Taking bets on what's out in bravenak's "tool shed." NuclearDem Mar 2015 #66
Many things. bravenak Mar 2015 #67
It amazes me that any white person objects to it at all. Sheldon Cooper Mar 2015 #28
Does it mean people who are racist? rogerashton Mar 2015 #29
Makes me think of cheese. Kip Humphrey Mar 2015 #30
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #31
Of a similar mind. 99Forever Mar 2015 #32
cracker is funny, but I always use Honky Lips. ileus Mar 2015 #35
I miss George Carlin The Rob Black Show Mar 2015 #36
I never heard the word cracker used for a white person until I came to DU madokie Mar 2015 #37
Wasn't the word "cracker" originally used to describe poor, white farmers in Georgia? BigDemVoter Mar 2015 #38
I have never been called a cracker. KMOD Mar 2015 #39
When I worked at a regional south grocery chain Winn Dixie the store brand of crackers & cookies... alphafemale Mar 2015 #40
Terrible copy but: winstars Mar 2015 #44
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #45
Since moving to Florida in 2007, HockeyMom Mar 2015 #46
It is kinda cheezy! whistler162 Mar 2015 #47
I never heard romanic Mar 2015 #49
It's too confusing. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #53
n/t JustAnotherGen Mar 2015 #60
It's saltine american. azmom Mar 2015 #55
bwah bigwillq Mar 2015 #65
You can call me cracker, wendylaroux Mar 2015 #56
It's not really a racial slur or at least it wasn't thought of that way back in the day Fumesucker Mar 2015 #62
As a Native Born Miamian, my mom & grandparents always said we were Florida Crackers.. Ghost in the Machine Mar 2015 #64
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #68
I prefer the term honky. gerogie2 Mar 2015 #70
"Might as well call it Whitejack!" if the foo shits Ellipsis Mar 2015 #71

Sissyk

(12,665 posts)
3. Yes, anyone has "a right" to complain about anything.
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 04:30 PM
Mar 2015

I can say I've never heard a white person or black person IRL use that word. Only on DU do I see it often.

My son's uncles have taught him not to use the n word (even with other blacks), or cracker, or redneck, or any word that is offensive to a group of people. We should all be like that.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
4. I have never heard a white person call another "cracker". I have been
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 04:31 PM
Mar 2015

Called cracker by a black person and I suggested the name calling not get started. It may not offend me, I am what I am but the derogatory names are not nice.

Jenny Red Eye

(53 posts)
7. People can and should object to anything that offends them...
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 04:32 PM
Mar 2015

if they choose to fight that particular battle.

Warpy

(111,277 posts)
9. I was born in Florida, so that makes me a Cracker.
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 04:37 PM
Mar 2015

and NO, I'm not offended by it.

I am offended by OUTRAGE BY PROXY trolls who want to be offended FOR me.

Uh, no. Just go away. I'll fight my own battles, thanks.

All you ever wanted to know about Crackers but were too intimidated to ask: http://www.florida-backroads-travel.com/florida-cracker.html

Just don't call me a Republican. That's the real mortal insult.

LiberalArkie

(15,719 posts)
51. My black friends called me Honkie when a racist white guys around.
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 08:21 PM
Mar 2015

They were just goading him into using the N word. Everyone hated him and hoped he would blow up soon and he did. Security escorted him out. But for a year after that they kept calling me Honkie and everyone laughed.

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
12. Yes
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 04:39 PM
Mar 2015

they have a right to complain, and a right to be offended.
I am not offended by that term, but I rarely get offended by names---they're just names.
But other folks certainly have the right to be offended by terms such as "cracker".

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
33. Would you object to maternity coverage being a mandatory requirement of health insurance?
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 06:59 PM
Mar 2015

Discuss why your answer has been "yes".

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
15. Were "Crackers" lynched on a regular basis? Enslaved? Sent to the back of the bus?
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 04:43 PM
Mar 2015

Forced to get ID they cant afford to get so they can vote?

 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
16. I've heard it used (here in Florida) but never thought much about it. I DO know that...
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 04:47 PM
Mar 2015

...in most cases, that I've heard it, it's a lot like saying "You Bastard!" Depends on how you say it.

You bastard...you stole $2,300.00 from me! Consider our friendship over.
You bastard..you actually got a date from that beautiful, intelligent woman? You lucky dog!

Again, the word doesn't bother me. NOT the same as the N word or a lot of other derogatory words.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
43. Florida Crackers are supposed to be named for the whips used on cattle
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 07:43 PM
Mar 2015

A cracker cowboy
artist: Frederick Remington

The Florida "cowhunter" or "cracker cowboy" of the 19th and early 20th centuries was distinct from the Spanish vaquero and the Western cowboy. Florida cowboys did not use lassos to herd or capture cattle. Their primary tools were cow whips and dogs. Florida cattle and horses were smaller than the western breeds. The "cracker cow", also known as the "native" or "scrub" cow, averaged about 600 pounds (270 kg) and had large horns and large feet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_cracker

Over the years it became used to disparage poor whites and has also picked up an association with plantation owners who whipped their slaves.

See also: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_cracker
 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
63. Thanks for the information. Interesting. Makes sense though. About the only time I've...
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 09:16 PM
Mar 2015

...said Cracker was at Publix asking where the Ritz crackers are...

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
69. I grew up in Polk County and for the 100th anniversary they had a musical
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 09:42 PM
Mar 2015

With a song about Florida Crackers. Since there were few competent performers in the area, someone had the songs prerecorded and played them back while local "performers moved around on the stage. The guy playing the Cracker cowboy thought he was good with a bullwhip and insisted on popping it - but he never managed to do it at the right point in the music. So we'd hear the prerecorded whip crack and the live whip crack.

That was when I first heard about Florida Cracker cowboys.

One of the things we found in my parents' house was a tape of the songs. I should transfer them to digital - but I wonder if anyone has pictures or film of the performances that could be put with the music.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
17. My friends and I sometimes refer to each other as "Cracka"
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 04:49 PM
Mar 2015

which, while having a similar pronunciation, is very different from the actual "C-word".

 

Oktober

(1,488 posts)
22. I would just treat it as a sure sign that the person is a mental midget... same as use of n****er...
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 05:11 PM
Mar 2015

Number23

(24,544 posts)
25. Jury Results:
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 06:34 PM
Mar 2015

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This is subtle underhanded way of using a racial epithet under the guise of asking about its use. If a white person were to have a thread "Do black folks who object to the term...." Hate speech is hate speech and needs to be uniformly treated. DU community standards need to be upheld here.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Mar 13, 2015, 04:32 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

The review was completed at Fri Mar 13, 2015,
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: What the alerter seems to suggest is that we cannot talk about it...and that is wrong...no hide from me.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Controversy baiting adolescent word games are the mother's milk of DU. Proceed.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I don't see blantant insensitivity here handling a hot potato.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Alerter, pack your shit and vacate the premises. Anyone as clueless about racism to alert on this thread not only has no business being on the Internet but is certainly in no position to be trying to censure other conversations about which you CLEARLY have no clue.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I like Cjeek Dgg

Proud to be Juror #6 here.

Dr. Strange

(25,921 posts)
42. I'd be prouder to be #7.
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 07:39 PM
Mar 2015

Between "I like cjeek dgg" and "CreekDog is female", I think it is unfair that CreekDog gets to be part of no less than TWO DU memes.

I'm boiling in jealousy.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
27. I'm not white but I hate it. I EAT crackers, duh. I don't eat white people.
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 06:38 PM
Mar 2015

They may be delicious but I put my foot down on eating them.

rogerashton

(3,920 posts)
29. Does it mean people who are racist?
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 06:44 PM
Mar 2015

Or is that supposition itself (at best) stereotyping? As I understand it, it originally referred to the dialect common in north Florida and south Georgia; in any case, since it applies only to white people from that area, it implies something about skin color. Thus: "by it's a term used to describe someone who is racist" are you not expressing prejudice based on skin color?

Response to CreekDog (Original post)

madokie

(51,076 posts)
37. I never heard the word cracker used for a white person until I came to DU
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 07:11 PM
Mar 2015

and I'm one hell of an old cracker at that

But then I was offended when someone early on called me homey, I'd never heard that word used before either. Not even sure how to react with either to be honest with you all but for some reason homey set me off

Its hell living under a rock for years like I must have

BigDemVoter

(4,150 posts)
38. Wasn't the word "cracker" originally used to describe poor, white farmers in Georgia?
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 07:23 PM
Mar 2015

If I remember correctly, the word was almost exclusively used for poor white farmers from Georgia, although I am unsure why that was.

In more recent decades, the word has taken on a more pejorative meaning: racist, ignorant, etc.

Interestingly enough, young people I encounter often aren't even familiar with the word, having never heard it in this sense. Is it a word that will disappear with changing demographics--disappearance of rural farmers, or will it stick with us in the popular lexicon with its current negative connotation?

 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
39. I have never been called a cracker.
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 07:31 PM
Mar 2015

I have never heard anyone else be called a cracker, either.

If I envision someone calling me a cracker, my reaction is a smile, light laugh.

I think calling someone a racist, would have more impact on them, than calling them a cracker. Just my honest opinion.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
40. When I worked at a regional south grocery chain Winn Dixie the store brand of crackers & cookies...
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 07:32 PM
Mar 2015

Was named Georgia Crackers.

Not sure whether that was clueless or playfulness.

I always thought it was pretty damn funny.

Have never felt any threat at all by being called a cracker/cracka.

Response to CreekDog (Original post)

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
46. Since moving to Florida in 2007,
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 07:56 PM
Mar 2015

I have met several "native" Floridians who have referred to themselves as "Crackers". Ok, whatever.

romanic

(2,841 posts)
49. I never heard
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 08:14 PM
Mar 2015

The word cracker being used by anybody in person. I've only heard it being used in old sitcoms like Sanford and Son. :p

Either way i agree with the first poster that we shouldn't call each other names.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
53. It's too confusing.
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 08:23 PM
Mar 2015

When I talk about eating crackers at lunch time, I don't want anyone getting pervy ideas.

Ghost in the Machine

(14,912 posts)
64. As a Native Born Miamian, my mom & grandparents always said we were Florida Crackers..
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 09:33 PM
Mar 2015

They called themselves "transplanted crackers" but were really Georgia Peaches. My mom, the oldest of 10 kids, was born in Georgia as were 2 of her siblings then my grandparents moved to Miami where the rest of my aunts and uncles were born.

I, personally, have never been offended by being called a cracker, even if it came from an African American... which it had many times. Miami was a melting pot from the late 60's until... well... now. I grew up with a diversity of friends who were white, black, cuban, mexican, greek and italian. I never thought of them as anything more than other people and my friends. I never thought about race, nationality or anything else. We just played together, hung out together, eventually got high together and always had each others backs. Hell, I had 2 italian friends who lived on the same street as I did, and they nick-named themselves "Dag" and "Dago". Dago was full italian & Dag was half. They would ignore you if you called them by their real first names!

Peace,

Ghost

Response to CreekDog (Original post)

 

gerogie2

(450 posts)
70. I prefer the term honky.
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 09:43 PM
Mar 2015

In America racial slurs about whites have no effect since minorities aren't running most companies.

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