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DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:56 PM Mar 2015

The Isis women’s manifesto is grotesque – but some in the west would agree with every word

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/feb/06/the-isis-womens-manifesto-is-grotesque

Very true...especialyy among GOP

and here is a golden sample:
Feminism is billed, of course, as the antidote to female subjugation. So it’s odd that it’s so often characterised as “man-hating”. What’s more hateful to –and of – men than the idea that they cannot be trusted to even imagine comporting themselves with good sense and dignity unless the women stay hidden away, toiling to create a refuge from the dangerous and exhausting society that men have made? Gender equality is simply about understanding that we can all look after each other in the ways we choose, and respect each other’s choices. Or it would be, anyway, in a better world.

In truth, the subjugation of women makes sense only to those, male or female, who have a fantastically, pitifully low opinion of men. No wonder Islamic fundamentalists “love death”. They must throb with self-loathing and self-disgust during every waking moment of their lives. Those who hate themselves so much must find solace in the existence of another group they can hate even more: the hypocrites of the west.
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The Isis women’s manifesto is grotesque – but some in the west would agree with every word (Original Post) DonCoquixote Mar 2015 OP
"refuge from the dangerous and exhausting society that men have made?" BlueJazz Mar 2015 #1
I dd not write ther article DonCoquixote Mar 2015 #2
I knew that. Sorry, I should have stuck that in there. BlueJazz Mar 2015 #3
The writer is saying that's what the caricature image of feminism is muriel_volestrangler Mar 2015 #4
I understand. I disagree with the writer's point that "That's what the caricature image of feminism BlueJazz Mar 2015 #5
She is saying it's the view of "our own homegrown sexists" and ISIS women muriel_volestrangler Mar 2015 #6
I may very well be reading something in the article that's not there. BlueJazz Mar 2015 #7
 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
1. "refuge from the dangerous and exhausting society that men have made?"
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 06:06 PM
Mar 2015

Just a little nit-picking > refuge from the dangerous and exhausting society that SOME men have made.

Most, if not all, of the men on this forum, despise the pieces-of-human-trash also.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
2. I dd not write ther article
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 06:09 PM
Mar 2015

And I have no doubt that many Duers could do a far better job than many of the Guardian staff

muriel_volestrangler

(101,361 posts)
4. The writer is saying that's what the caricature image of feminism is
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 06:14 PM
Mar 2015

The idea that men in general have produced a "dangerous and exhausting society" is part of the caricature that she objects to - "what’s more hateful to –and of – men than the idea that they cannot be trusted to even imagine comporting themselves with good sense and dignity unless the women stay hidden away, toiling to create a refuge from the dangerous and exhausting society that men have made?

 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
5. I understand. I disagree with the writer's point that "That's what the caricature image of feminism
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 06:28 PM
Mar 2015

...is"

A "whimsical sketch of a real person" (caricature) is held by some men and women but the writer implies that his meaning is the "Standard of thinking".
I don't see that in my everyday life.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,361 posts)
6. She is saying it's the view of "our own homegrown sexists" and ISIS women
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 06:39 PM
Mar 2015

who have, she says, an "unlikely common cause" in this. What in the article implies it's a 'standard of thinking?

Caricatures don't have to be 'whimsical'; they can be savage too.

(rereading it, I realise it's not feminism she says they see that as - she's saying those 2 groups agree women should retreat from the public world, because they paint the public world as 'dangerous and exhausting' for women. So perhaps she could have expressed it better, if more than one of us is not getting her meaning quickly).

 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
7. I may very well be reading something in the article that's not there.
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 06:54 PM
Mar 2015

What you just posted though, is something I fully agree with.

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