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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 05:30 PM Mar 2015

Which would you prefer?


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Parliamentary system
1 (20%)
Direct election of the leader of the nation
4 (80%)
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Which would you prefer? (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 OP
Direct election....everyone's vote counts the same that way. yourout Mar 2015 #1
Get rid of the Electoral College. It adds no value, just uncertainty to the outcome. leveymg Mar 2015 #2
I'm not sure that having 10,000 members of Congress will improve our system (nt) Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #3
It would make it costly for moneyed interests to buy votes leveymg Mar 2015 #8
The lower house of the New Hampshire legislature has 400 seats KamaAina Mar 2015 #6
A parliamentary system would get rid of the two-party system, Maedhros Mar 2015 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Mar 2015 #7
Just offering the choice. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #13
I lived in Canada for four years while in graduate school. Maedhros Mar 2015 #14
What's another word for 'direct election'? yallerdawg Mar 2015 #5
Parliamentary, because divided government is dysfunctional. geek tragedy Mar 2015 #9
The UK has a parliamentary system and a divided government. Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #11
I thought we were an autonomous collective NightWatcher Mar 2015 #10
One thing I like about the Electoral College is that it limits cheating. Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #12
The electoral college allows the minority to win elections Johonny Mar 2015 #18
Actually that is wrong....Electoral College means if you flip one state(say Florida) you can.... yourout Mar 2015 #19
I'm leaning toward a parliamentary system NV Whino Mar 2015 #15
Parliamentary system with proportional representation Ron Obvious Mar 2015 #16
A parliamentary system would do away with the problem of truebluegreen Mar 2015 #17
Either, as long as there are no Republicans Yonx Mar 2015 #20

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
2. Get rid of the Electoral College. It adds no value, just uncertainty to the outcome.
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 05:40 PM
Mar 2015

I would also expand the House of Representatives so that each Member of Congress represents approximately the same number of Constituents, about 30,000, as the original Congress. With 10,000 Representatives meeting electronically, that would make it much more expensive to buy elections in America and easier for challengers.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
8. It would make it costly for moneyed interests to buy votes
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 05:49 PM
Mar 2015

and less expensive for challengers to fund campaigns. That, in itself, would make the American electoral process more democratic. It would also make Reps more accountable to their constituents. Eventually, we should go to a modified direct democracy with voters casting votes as a referendum on major Bills.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
6. The lower house of the New Hampshire legislature has 400 seats
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 05:45 PM
Mar 2015

for 1.2 million people, or 3,000 per seat, an order of magnitude less than what you're proposing. And the place is a freakin' zoo!

Response to Maedhros (Reply #4)

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
14. I lived in Canada for four years while in graduate school.
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 06:10 PM
Mar 2015

I rather liked their system. Not perfect, but it seems to work better.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
9. Parliamentary, because divided government is dysfunctional.
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 05:50 PM
Mar 2015

Our presidential system is pretty much broken.

Two different electorates means there's one legislative party and one presidential party.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
11. The UK has a parliamentary system and a divided government.
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 06:00 PM
Mar 2015

And it is pretty much a foregone conclusion that there will be some form of divided government after this year's elections. There will be a lot of backroom horsetrading and dealmaking to determine who gets into government. And it could easily be that the party getting the most votes gets shut out.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
12. One thing I like about the Electoral College is that it limits cheating.
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 06:05 PM
Mar 2015

Texas, Mississippi and Alabama could fraudulently increase their Republican vote by 10% and with the EC it would not make the slightest difference to the election outcome. But with a popular vote system such cheating could easily swing a close election.

Johonny

(20,851 posts)
18. The electoral college allows the minority to win elections
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 07:24 PM
Mar 2015

which means it maximizes your individual vote. Your vote can actually count more than 1 to 1. This has good and bad consequences as a whole (see president W), but for the individual voter it is considered a plus by some voting rights advocates.

To me its congress and the state based approach to running the country that sucks. Small areas of the country and large areas of the country are haphazardly split up for no apparent reason allowing people in large area, high population states to basically get massively under represented. The Senate is totally messed up because of it. I'm sick of listening to people that represent mere fractions of society... I'm ready to blow up the Senate and the elitist approach to government it represents.

yourout

(7,528 posts)
19. Actually that is wrong....Electoral College means if you flip one state(say Florida) you can....
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 08:11 PM
Mar 2015

flip an election.

Literally flipping a few thousand votes in one state could flip the power structure of the world.

To flip a popular election you would likely have to flip many more times the votes.

NV Whino

(20,886 posts)
15. I'm leaning toward a parliamentary system
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 06:32 PM
Mar 2015

Not that it doesn't have its problems, but it seems to work much better, and it allows for more than two parties.

 

Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
16. Parliamentary system with proportional representation
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 06:38 PM
Mar 2015

Instead of first past the post. A party that gets 35% of the vote should get 35% of the seats. If no party gets to 50%, there should be a coalition. The leader of the party that gets the most votes would be prime minister. That way we get rid of these personality politics where people vote based on gut feelings, likeability and who they'd most like to have a beer with.

I'm sick to death of the current two party system which essentially locks out third parties.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
17. A parliamentary system would do away with the problem of
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 06:39 PM
Mar 2015

"two" entities that are supposed to represent the public: the President and the Congress, specifically the House of Representatives. Both can claim to be elected by the people, and yet can be controlled by different parties, as is the case now, leading to gridlock and inaction. A parliamentary system would prevent that, and take away the ability to blame the other party for failing to govern, or for woefully bad choices.

The drafters of the Constitution chose the system we have, of checks and balances, specifically to preserve the prerogatives of the ruling elite, and to prevent the masses from actually running the government. The result is a government that is more stable than nimble.

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