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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAverageJoe90 has FINALLY had his fate handed to him...
After over three years of having him haunting and taunting feminists/black persons on this website, we have lived to see his demise here on the DU.
There's a few threads on it, but I feel compelled to let you all know how many persons on this website he harassed with his misogynistic/racist bullshit. It was a hella lot! And wanted to make a thread in support of those of us who were victimized by him over and over again for three YEARS! Having our posts pointing out his racist and misogynistic bullshit hidden.... thus being punished for confronting the stealth troll. It's not a complaint, but a feature of this system and one we should all be aware of.... So, I AM NOT complaining about the JURY system, just would like to point out how things sometimes work.. we are all responsible for our own posting..
So, to the people who are now obviously relieved by not having to listen and read and be harassed by his constant, never ending racist/sexist/misogynistic dribble, I celebrate with you! It was about god damned time! This thread is for you!
pintobean
(18,101 posts)GD, EE, HOF, and AA
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026387246
It's quite popular.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)except this one. I can't post in HOF because you blocked me for defending myself in a META-HOF call-out thread. That's happened to a lot of people.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)boston bean
(36,221 posts)harassed by this bigot?
Can you help me out with that?
pintobean
(18,101 posts)You just have to be you.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)cyberswede
(26,117 posts)that was cute.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)Many of us ladies would look at that bean stalk and go.. "Hmmm...How can I put that into a Salad????"
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)you clever boots, you, all of you
yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)There was a way to have a buddy list on here.. like other websites do. I think its great to have internet friends. Life isn't so lonely that way. I also think maybe DU has many of the older generation here and not many of the younger people. I think I remember reading about an 18 year old who was posting here for a while.. But I often wonder just how many of the younger people post here? I suspect too there are not many Asian posters.. which as I said in another post, that makes me sad.. they don't seem to hang out in the Asian group.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)your avatar is soooooOOOOoooOOOoooo cute.
yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)brer cat
(24,565 posts)but let me assure you, you are very much appreciated by the oldsters here. Young folks are invigorating to us, and you provide a much needed perspective that is often quite different from ours.
yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)I learn so much, but I wish there were more Asians on IMVU, I don't know of many here, and its not like we are all hanging out together.. Sometimes it feels like we are a forgotten category, especially on polls where its broken down into races.. I'm like..where are the Asians?
robbob
(3,530 posts)😄
yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)even the pod people are longing for peas.
yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)Pease get Pods for Pod people! I-Pods are best!
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)deep inner peas.
TeeYiYi
(8,028 posts)TYY
yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)or Re-fried!! Yummy!
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)I get the beans confused sometimes.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)...I'll get my coat...
JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)As of last week - AJ was one of two people blocked in the AA group.
I'm a group host and got an alert for transparency on the day where another group host ponted AJ's staus out. Seriously - we are transparent because we don't have a back room work space for hosts - and we're sharing our approach on the troublesome poster and I got alerted on.
I wouldn't be surprised if it was AJ 90 or be of his allies that did that.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)I don't see AverageJoe on your HOF blocky list...when somebody gets canned do they automatically get removed? Does that mess up what your number is? (everybody above gets shifted down one?)
boston bean
(36,221 posts)within context of how AJ90 felt.....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5550825
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6375449
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5378274
I know you have a problem with people who fight for social justice, AJ90 did too.
Off to look for what you suggested I look for!
Rex
(65,616 posts)How totally unsurprising.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)I just threw up a little.
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alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)post #68. I mean, fair is fair.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)and you do the same.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)to others, I will.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)so yes there's going to be a variety of people celebrating a site upgrade.
Note that no one is sorry to see him go.
Even notorious trolls like DKF, Better Believe It, and quinnox had their supporters.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)[URL=http://www.sherv.net/][IMG][/IMG][/URL]
Ms. Toad
(34,072 posts)I updated my thread by adding the 90 at the end of his name, to help with any confusion.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=272790
Ms. Toad
(34,072 posts)I wasn't even aware there was an AverageJoe90.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)He was quite prolific with his bigoted posting.
Ms. Toad
(34,072 posts)I've certainly encountered AverageJoe quite frequently (although in checking to see about his demise, I see he has not posted in 3 months).
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)relieved to see this character gone.
Ms. Toad
(34,072 posts)to his
boston bean
(36,221 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,072 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)boston bean
(36,221 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)the usual
boston bean
(36,221 posts)A-Schwarzenegger
(15,596 posts)I suspect your suspicion is suspect.
Ms. Toad
(34,072 posts)but there's no agenda here - as you seem to be suggesting.
I've encountered AverageJoe frequently over the years. I haven't encountered AverageJoe90 at all, that I'm aware of. (I suppose it is possible I have encountered him recently and read the name as AverageJoe, a long time member I have been familiar with for years.)
A-Schwarzenegger
(15,596 posts)I meant the second "suspect" as in "doubtful"
and I liked how the sentence unfurled.
AverageJoe90 is a DU icon of loathsome notoriety.
Ms. Toad
(34,072 posts)boston bean
(36,221 posts)racism/misogyny in General Discussion.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)I think those three subjects were about all he ever talked about.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)to claim that.
He didn't do much OP posting, but his comments were everywhere!
Ms. Toad
(34,072 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,072 posts)into non-productive shouting matches.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)a user name by leaving off the 90?
It really was about NONE of that.... with that I'm out of this particular conversation.
Ms. Toad
(34,072 posts)and when I checked the announcement of his demise appeared untimely - as my post noted. I was surprised when my post merited anything beyond, "Oops. My bad. Let me fix it."
boston bean
(36,221 posts)and provided you a link. So, you got what you wanted, immediately after you posted it. You were post # 2, I was post #3.
3. No.
I updated my thread by adding the 90 at the end of his name, to help with any confusion.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=272790
You posted at 9:06am, I responded to you at 9:08am. Is there really much more to say.
Do we have to hear over and over how you didn't know the poster I was referring to, even after it was pointed out and corrected immediately!
This post was to support those who had to deal with a troll who harassed them with bigoted comments for 3 years.
You don't know him, good. You never saw him, good. I corrected my post for you, good. Anything else I can do to clear this up or must it keep going on and on?
Ms. Toad
(34,072 posts)Correcting your OP was a good thing. Your overreaction to my explanations to other people who could not easily see that you originally named the poster AverageJoe (because you changed it within the 30 minute no-track period) is over the top.
If someone addresses me wondering why I am misreading your post, I'm going to explain. What you can do is just ignore it, rather than act as if I'm attacking you by offering an explanation.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)who had to put up with this crap for 3 years, I might be a bit more easy going about it. At this point it it's just derailment.
You could educate yourself on the poster I AM referring too and offer a bit of support, no?
Ms. Toad
(34,072 posts)Because you changed the topic after I responded, a couple of people pointed out that I misread the topic - so I'm clarified my response. That's not derailing. Following me around the thread making snide comments - or even not following me around but stage whispering snide comments is not the behavior of someone who wants to keep the thread on topic.
As for offering support to victims of his behavior: grave-dancing threads are about celebrating the demise of a troll - and saying stuff about the troll that the troll can read but can't respond to. They are not about consoling targets of the troll, since the targets are now the victors. I don't spend much time in grave dancing threads - I certainly don't go research posters who were not in my consciousness prior to the grave dancing threads in order to support people they may have targeted in the past. Had this thread been captioned the way it currently is, I would not have even clicked on the thread.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)But only in an effort to get it back on track. Since I responded to you within two minutes of you pointing it out to me and changed the OP so as to avoid confusion and let you know right away, which it seems you are forgetting quite often, not sure what much else can be done to help you with this.
But none the less, you are correct, I have helped in derailing with this subthread in trying to get it back on track. Sorry, that you attribute all sorts of motivations to me that are not based in truth. If you must have the last word, please do so, and maybe this sub thread will just die out.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)if the OP had noted the change in the OP.
I don't know why she's all over you, it's not like it was your mistake.
Number23
(24,544 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)but that there were two AJs, one "90" was not something I had noticed. I suppose it's a reflection of the threads I read and post in.
Rex
(65,616 posts)I wonder why AJ hasn't posted in 2 months? Oh well, you ran into them a lot. That's all that counts.
yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)surprised he never trolled the Asian group, but than no one ever goes there Sometimes I feel Like I am posting all by myself... maybe we should get it renamed to the Yuiyoshida group.. cause its lonely there!
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)loved the selfie.
yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Goes to show how a RWing racist will finally mess up and get shit canned. I'll come and visit you in the Asian group. Nobody should feel lonely.
yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)Lately I been posting videos from the NHK series Begin japanology and some of them are so fascinating that even I learned some new things about Japan that I never knew. But then again, my family has been far removed from the Japanese culture.. in many respects. Anyway, I wish more people would come and I wish I had a way to promote it so people would come. I have been invited to join the AA group, but since AsahinaKimi has been busy, I been running the Asian group all by myself. And also it seems unfair to just post Japanese stuff, when there is so many wonderful cultural things from other Asian countries.. But I guess DU doesn't have that many Asians on here, which makes me sad.
Rex
(65,616 posts)I need to spread my wings a little, lots of great groups on DU. That makes me sad there are so few minorities on DU or it feels that way. We are a diverse group so I hope it is just do to lack of advertising of that group.
However, trolls like AverageJoe90 probably ran off a lot of minorities on DU. Racist/Sexist trolls are the absolute worst.
yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)I don't think he ever harassed me. I could go back and look into my Inbox on here, I have often received private messages from guys saying things like "hey you are pretty..blah blah blah" which I guess is their way of flirting with me on DU, but.. I usually respond politely and then ignore it.. but I don't recall any thing from him.. nor him commenting about things I have said. I have been hit by a few nasty remarks but they end up with that Name Removed thingy..
I have a hard time responding to some stuff on here, cause I would rather have a lot of friends than a lot of enemies.. AsahinaKimi told me one of the reasons she doesn't post as much is she has been harassed on here.. including one guy who is long gone..but she mostly is busy these days with her own personal projects, and only looks in from time to time. She even asked me to run things in the Asian group which I don't mind..I love that group cause I can post all kinds of cultural things and hope that people will notice.
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)...and I'm sure you've conversed with him.
Ms. Toad
(34,072 posts)I don't pay much attention to the names of users when I'm posting, so if you asked me who I responded to in a given conversation I probably could give you substance, but most of the time, not user names.
I am aware of AverageJoe, and he didn't stand out in my mind as matching the OP (or the multiple grave dancing theads), which is why I went looking.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I had to search to see what was wrong. Then I noticed my bff AverageJoe had a 90 after his name. I felt bad for AverageJoe that somebody like that had a similar name. No wonder he rarely posts!
Rex
(65,616 posts)I'd swear I'd seen normal posts from AJ90. Now I see it was AJ. I think you had AJ90s number since he started blowing up, I don't even remember when. Maybe the Zimmerman trial?
Just mention white privilege and you were guaranteed AJ90 would show up 'concerned' about the white man's plight.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)And a WOMAN. That was the thing that did it though. It was a HoF thread I think. Pissed him off acting like a RadFem SJW. Then I posted on white privilege. Wrong move. We've been dating ever since I think. Non consentual on my part, to be sure. I believe many of his hides were things he said to me or about me. Loved me dearly. Couldn't stay away.
Rex
(65,616 posts)I love the irony of him losing his shit and getting banned over an OP about what a BLACK WOMEN thinks about America! Karma, karma, karma!
It should be interesting to see if you get a new bff sooner or later. You did good bravenak, racist/sexist trolls are the worst! You got him to slip up a little bit and then picked him apart!
A toast to you!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I knew he was trying to get me hides since he went around explaining to all and sundry how I was targeting him. Too funny! I loved when he put his foot down, though. Best shit ever. I told my mama! Sad that people irl know all about him. I was just with him for so long!
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Felt slightly molested but not in a sexual way. You know what I mean. Just icky.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)got a few of your posts hidden, didn't he? MRA asshat.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)and by that I mean no repercussions, not that people didn't notice, he quickly moved on to race.
He was a bigot, with a twist of MRA...
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I could tell. He said rad fem so many times it was like a broken record. How he pissed of the Environment and Energy group I will never know. Seems strange that he got banned from 3 discrete groups.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)his thinking. you are right. i did give him the definition of rad fem on numerous occasion, not that he ever took the time to acknowledge his interpretation of radfem was rw/limbaugh/stupid.
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Lancero
(3,003 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,072 posts)(I wasn't even aware there was an AverageJoe90.)
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts).... but ....
At first I thought his posts had to be parody or bad "performance art" .... as time went on i realized this poster truly did not care for peole of color or women
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)From things he posted, he got his ass handed to him regularly on social media, but since there are no jurors on there, his targets could take him to the woodshed where he dearly needs to stay.
Not so here, where people get punished for pointing out bigots. He liked it here because it protected him.
stage left
(2,962 posts)I'm one of the ones who shortened averagejoe90's name. At least I did in a thread yesterday. My apologies to averagejoe.
Good riddance!
betsuni
(25,526 posts)Albrecht was a jackass but Giselle still loved him, saved him from being danced to death at her grave and he learned how to be a non-jackass. Our boyfriend Average Joe was not saved ... On a thread, guess it was last year, I posted violin music, mostly Tchaikovsky pieces, in response to every jackass whining victim Joe Average post there. I was surprised I didn't get in trouble. Guess coming in late to a thread and being invisible has its advantages. Mr. Tchaikovsky hates Joe, for the record.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)tbh beautiful was AJ90's last post, too.
I am loving the irony, here.
sakabatou
(42,152 posts)betsuni
(25,526 posts)Unless that's not you.
sakabatou
(42,152 posts)Or I don't remember.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)A year before you joined. Seems like an odd thing to note. Some people just don't pay that much attention to user names.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)and then there is you.
oh, that is funny pintobean!
trumad
(41,692 posts)I'm surprised the trumphet hasn't blown for the others yet. I mean one of their own got tombstoned. They are probably in mourning.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)and this is a bit of support.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)I'm sure you have something to back that up...
trumad
(41,692 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)trumad
(41,692 posts)I think you have just kind of given up staying under the radar.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)when I pointed out that you made a ridiculous claim? That's not going to come as a shock to most people.
trumad
(41,692 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)His concern in this thread is so touching! It's like he is upset about something.
trumad
(41,692 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)octoberlib
(14,971 posts)of offenses. When I joined DU he had just gotten banned from the environment and energy group. He went on and on about it in countless threads.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)meegbear
(25,438 posts)cyberswede
(26,117 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)A-Schwarzenegger
(15,596 posts)That's what was so astonishing.
Everybody said, "We all see you, fucker!"
And he said, "No, you don't!"
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)i turned. i had a good 6 months of just seeing a lot fo stupid. then i started seeing an escalation in AA group. that is when i started even addressing him.
AverageJoe
(2,292 posts)I say good riddance to one who would so besmirch such a fine user name!
demmiblue
(36,853 posts)cyberswede
(26,117 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)i kept checking his profile cause such a troll, but i was used to you. ....
you get your name back.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Must feel good knowing your evil doppelganger got his comeuppance! TBH with you, I didn't think he would ever get shit canned. Funny he finally lost it over a black women saying how she feels about America.
Now you can post and not worry about people mixing you up with that troll.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)but the sentiments are the same.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)That must be a lot of watching you do, or is it pming. To know that he harrassed a whole bunch of people here.
It seems odd to me, about this misogynistic and racist BS.
I mean, recently, like a week ago there was a thread titled "feminists don't hate men, but it wouldn't matter if we did".
So apparently it is okay to hate men.
Now, we have a black person defending another black person who said very publicly "I hate America and white people", and pretty much attacking all of white DU, if not all of DU.
In the eyes of some then, it is okay to hate white people too.
Woe to the white male who pushes back on that. They become MRA racists.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Your is a creative response, reach and final premise to the mere dismissal of a troll.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)We know there are many more.... and it just can't stand that a feminist or black person would happy about the banning of a racist misogynist.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)won't SOMEONE think of the poor, oppressed white guys?
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)Some people would be part of a group who thinks that the poor really ARE being oppressed by the rich.
Others wouldn't.
White guys who happen to be poor are not oppressed by anyone.
Why, the very idea is just a joke.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)As in pitiful.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)according to some
"deserving scorn" according to others.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)You DO know that white guys are probably the least oppressed demographic in existence.?
Ever.
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)He was a total troll who purposely, and "politely" took a dump in every thread on racism, misogyny, feminism, and privilege (and evidently climate change). It didn't take "watching" or "pming" to see it.
Saying "it wouldn't matter" if feminists were to hate men is not the same as saying "it's ok" to hate men.
Explaining why a young person of color might "hate" America and white people is not saying "it's ok" to hate white people.
Maybe the white males who take issue with these ideas should listen more carefully to what is being said, rather then getting all defensive. If you're not a misogynist or a racist, those threads aren't talking about you.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)hfojvt
(37,573 posts)to explain why a young white person might hate black people?
Or would that be bigotry?
I tend to not like bigotry, OR excuses for bigotry, especially when the bigotry is aimed at me, and people like me.
How the heck do you draw a distinction between "it wouldn't matter" and "it's ok". Those look pretty damned equivalent to me. Because it WOULD matter for the simple fact that hatred and bigotry are NOT okay. At least in my book.
And as far as "anyone who reads DU". Well people read DU differently. That should be pretty obvious. The guy made 11,000 posts. I doubt very much if I read even a third of them. There are about 10,000 posts on DU every day (or more). To read 1,000 of them and make some posts of your own (at least if the post was longer than or :eyes would take a fair amount of time.
I, myself, tend to jump in on threads on misogyny when they say things like "I hate men" or "men suck". I tend to not find bigotry directed at me to be all that acceptable, even if some people just love their double standards. When we have threads on racism, they tend not to talk about the troubles of black people, but they spend more time talking about white people. I find the notion of "privilege" to be both BS and offensive.
Maybe the people who are making white males get defensive should also listen to the complaints of those people they have offended instead of getting even more offensive themselves?
JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)hfojvt
(37,573 posts)I often have a problem staying on point.
It seems to me, not that I have read all of his posts, that AJ90 was a white male who often pushed back against attacks on whites or males.
Now I tend to think Bravenak is pretty cool, maybe because I am an old fan of Boondocks. BUT her recent posts seemed to be attacking ALL of DU, and especially all the whites on DU.
That seems a little bigotted to me, to smear a group for what apparently SOME in the group did. Her "y'all" was simply NOT accurate. I certainly wasn't part of any Iggy Rap threads (not that I am worth listening to anyway).
AJ90's response was over-the-top but at least he was not attacking large swaths of DU or defending somebody who said "I hate black people".
ieoeja
(9,748 posts)It started with the gungeneers holding DU hostage. Racist killing with a gun? Defend the gun! Which meant defending the shooter. Which meant defending the racist. Which meant defending the racism.
But don't kick them out. Otherwise, they will cry to the world that DU does not allow supporters of the 2nd Amendment.
I don't know if that was how it played out in the minds of Skinner, et al. But that is where I first saw blatant racism being ignored. So it would explain it.
Then Discussionist brought racists over to DU in droves. And they managed to pack the juries. I was astounded by the number of openly racist posts I alerted that failed the alert.
Did bravenak take DU to task for that? Yes. And rightly so. We deserved it.
Kali
(55,008 posts)cyberswede
(26,117 posts)You should have opened your reply with that line, because there's no point in reading the rest of it now.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)If you disagree with me (or us) then you are not worth talking to.
Belief in privilege is, of course, a way to distinguish heretics from members of the body.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)He had all the same opinions.... Face it, lots and lots of people on DU disagree and find those opinions offensive. You will just have to live with that.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)said anything racist or misogynist?
Seems to me, then, we should understand each other. I find the notion of privilege to be offensive. You, et. al., find my denial of privilege to be offensive.
After that, we seem to diverge. I tend to attack the "notion" of privilege. The "defenders" of the notion often tend to attack ME.
So you say, I will just have to live with the abusiveness of the group.
And as for taking up HIS torch. Er, I have been here since November 2004, seven years before him. If anything, he was taking up my torch. (Not mind you, that I am endorsing everything he wrote (truthfully, I probably abjure 10% of the things I write myself))
boston bean
(36,221 posts)Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)When your hypothetical "young white person" has been on the receiving end of a lifetime of shit that includes things like bieng randomly stopped and harassed by police for no reason, being followed around by nervous store clerks who think they're probably a shoplifter, seeing people like themselves stereotyped as lazy and violent, subjected to lots of magazine articles and TV personalities asking "what's wrong with white people?" and talking about "white cultural pathology", and pretty much everything that almost every black person in the US has to deal with on a pretty regular basis, then maybe, just MAYBE you might be able to make some sort of reasonable argument for "why a young white person might hate black people". If all of that were part of the daily fabric of life as a white person in the USA, you might even have a good argument for "why white people might have a reason to hate America". But you know, none of that stuff applies to white people as a group. So you're just being completely absurd in a way that comes across as an unintentional parody of clueless racism.
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Number23
(24,544 posts)JTFrog
(14,274 posts)hfojvt
(37,573 posts)"A second basic fact that characterizes nonviolence is that it does not seek to defeat or humiliate the opponent, but to win his friendship and understanding." p. 102
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Your buddy was able to gain a little wiggle room with that philosophy, but I don't see either of you winning any friends or understanding around here.
Just sayin....
trumad
(41,692 posts)daredtowork
(3,732 posts)though I suspect a few of them are socks.
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)Yes, he was a pain, but so have been some others who were shown the door.
When it comes to misogynists, there are definitely worse. He probably was about the most persistant of the "poor white people" posters though.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)weasel a seat at the adults table.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)I don't think it's fair to those who he harassed to make it seem like he was just an immature little boy.
He knew what he was doing. He was a stealth bigoted troll.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)because he was wrong what he did and he should not have been allowed to continue. a stupid little kid or not.
his arguments failed, they were stupid, and they were obvious.
i can do both. see him as a stupid little kid and see that what he was doing had to be challenge, every time i came in contact with him.
a pain in the ass, waste of my time, and still i spoke up. i did not engage in conversation, because he was a stupid little pissant. but, i did challenge, always.
or almost.
would have been much easier to ignore. easier yet, .... if his ass was tos'ed long ago
boston bean
(36,221 posts)If people actually read it, they would realize it's not just about him. There were a lot of points raised.
But to have you folks make this seem like I am giving him some sort of victory for posting about is just plain old wrong.
Sorry for any misunderstandings my post may have caused. and thanks for the support. We can chalk this one up to good ole joe too!
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)i very much support your Op and what you are saying. i have in a number of these threads.
i think i have thru out this thread.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)BainsBane
(53,032 posts)I'm probably in the minority, but I think it wasn't an act, that he really was as clueless as he seemed. I also bet the PPR came to as a shock to him. He was so convinced that he was in the right, that the "race baiters" and feminists were the ones trolling, that his head is probably spinning from all this.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)frustrating people, hurting them, giving voice to some of the worst of the worst, basically unscathed.
This thread aint just about him.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)AJ90 help to set a tone of what DU would allow and tolerate and he emboldened other bigots on here.
And juries consistently voted to Leave It Alone.
Meanwhile, his crew would alert on replies to AJ90 and then sit on the juries and hide replies to AJ90 for being OTT.
It was very frustrating to watch.
He may be childish but, he swung a wide scythe of disharmony and injustice on here and was helped along by others who are equally childish and unaware, unkind and uncaring.
Spoiled brats need attention too,or they will grow up to be Spoiled Tyrants with capacity to affect millions of lives.
We are witnessing this in society at large as we type.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Yes, such a HORRIBLE post to someone who is clearly posting to me about absolutely nothing and for absolutely no reason whatsoever other than to annoy and goad. I mean, that post is some seriously mild salsa compared to what I can and have done around here.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)my last hide was equally offensive.
offensive to me, in that it was hidden
offensive to them, in that their little feebles got hurted.
somehow, OUR feelings are to NEVER be hurt even when they deliver a mortal gut wound and, we come back with a mild surface scratch.
This system is NOT equal and, justice is handed out disproportionately, much like it is IN REAL LIFE.
Just proving how much DU is a microcosm of society at large.
Thank you for posting that, Number23.
blatantly obvious what is going on around here and, why people are leaving in droves.
They may be lurking and reading BUT they are not POSTING.
Number23
(24,544 posts)minorities and women over this kind of foolishness. And this web site is lessened to the point of almost nothing as a result. Even those that are just lurking, we are missing out on a diversity of voices from people that should be speaking while we are bombarded by folks who don't speak for the Dem party and never will.
And like I noted in the AA forum thread celebrating AJ90's demise, that I was so happy that it finally happened that I'm even willing to overlook the fact that despite the fact that black posters and women had been alerting about AJ90 FOREVER, it very likely was the very detailed alert from A-Schwarzeneger (a white guy) that was the final straw. Now if that don't tell you everything you need to know about this place and how it's being run, nothing will.
As for that hidden post, I cracked up laughing when I got the note that it was hidden. NOTHING surprises me about DU anymore so the fact that something that tame hidden and the fact that not one single Hide vote left a comment had me giggling. That hide did absolutely nothing but brazenly highlight that somebody realized that they were outclassed and that their "feebles" (to use your truly excellent phrase) were hurt. And it was very likely only going to get worse.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)thank you A, but that it has to come from a white male to be heard. that is not something new.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)What we were seeing is just the way he really is.
Right? I wanted to give him a coloring book and some crayons to keep him busy.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)boston bean
(36,221 posts)it just is what it is. A thread for the people he harassed for three years.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)That would be my guess.
He has a very small handful of defenders. And I'm sure when they finally get booted there will be four or five threads about them too. You can't troll for years and not have people celebrate when long overdue action is taken.
Logical
(22,457 posts)You assume incorrectly.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)For some making the Greatest Page seems to generate some sort of soothing feeling.
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)He was a boil on DU's ass and deserves every single two-step currently being performed on his grave.
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)How some want to pretend it has nothing to do with an anti-feminist and poor-white-people type being bounced as a troll.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,182 posts)Where did he come from AverageJoe...um..90?
Logical
(22,457 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)board, that this shit should not have happened in the first place?
Logical
(22,457 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)secondly, it is positive reinforcement to adm that we approve their call. that we had seen this for a while now, and cool they finally got rid of the dude.
and lastly, maybe a suggestion we not wait that long cause look at how many had to deal with his crap, when we shouldnt on a democratic progressive board.
people leave because of these type. they bring nothing into the conversation and we lose smart, insightful, reasoned people cause they do not want to deal with this shit.
it matters.
Logical
(22,457 posts)discussion board. Shit happens. Assholes appear.
You can ignore them, alert on them, etc.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)we can ignore them, alert on them OR... even call them out and challenge their crap. hence, this thread.
the OP is not whining about du. specifically clarified so she could not be accused about whining about du.
she is speaking up about a long time troll that caused disruption, that skinner finally outed.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Learned something new today. Also, I wonder why Logical does not take his own advice?
Rex
(65,616 posts)Just curious, you seem to be doing what you protest to so much. Grave dancing is whining? News to me, looks more like a celebration.
So why didn't you just ignore, trash this thread...don't like to take your own advice?
Logical
(22,457 posts)Spazito
(50,338 posts)"Alert it or quit whining"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5886575
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)I suppose.
Oh well...
Logical
(22,457 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Yeah, just like that.
Response to Logical (Reply #90)
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pintobean
(18,101 posts)cyberswede
(26,117 posts)Well...since you joined less than a month ago, you probably read it more recently than I did...but I don't think the TOS says anything about grave dancing threads.
Kaleva
(36,301 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)often with the old tombstone and Elaine from Seinfeld dancing on it.
You've been here like three weeks. You're an expert on what does and doesn't happen at DU?
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)There are a few more like him then I help but the admins look at them too.
undeterred
(34,658 posts)trumad
(41,692 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)You've adapted pretty well to your new vocabulary protocol.
trumad
(41,692 posts)davidsilver
(87 posts)XemaSab
(60,212 posts)n/t
davidsilver
(87 posts)DeadLetterOffice
(1,352 posts)Honestly.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)He is incapable of disguise. He is just the way he is.
and be busted again.
Rex
(65,616 posts)It appears some might be worried that we are not using 'hide thread' or 'ignore' enough! TBH TBH TBH TBH I am sure SURE that is sincere concern...for a racist/sexist troll...er...I mean our neglect of the ignore button.
obxhead
(8,434 posts)Now they sit on the home page under the greatest threads.
Sigh.
You may be right in every way, but this post shows no class what so ever.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)obxhead
(8,434 posts)Oh well, things change.
Its not a big deal, just a sad occurance.
It makes me really miss the unrec button we once had.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)Not always for the better.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)You don't have to participate, but please excuse us while we take a moment to appreciate the fact that DU is a much better place today because of the admin's actions (way overdue to be sure).
Thank you.
obxhead
(8,434 posts)Make a post on your issue with pride.
Grave dancing in public is..... Well I don't know what it is, other than tasteless.
To each their own though. I honestly believe DU was a better place when these posts were shut down quickly.
NoGOPZone
(2,971 posts)and I can't think of a more appropriate recipient of that treatment than AverageJoe90
Gman
(24,780 posts)A-Schwarzenegger
(15,596 posts)Just checkin
boston bean
(36,221 posts)A-Schwarzenegger
(15,596 posts)they thought we were all actually down the cemetery
doin the Elaine on 90's fresh-turned mound of sod.
He's probably got his feet up on the veranda,
sippin on a pabst, relieved he doesn't have to try
to save us ingrates from ourselves anymore.
patricia92243
(12,595 posts)A-Schwarzenegger
(15,596 posts)disruption in threads on race, gender, climate,
but this looks like it was the final straw,
even though it didn't get hidden...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6379443
salin
(48,955 posts)that he is speaking for the majority. Even when multiple other folks respond otherwise.
That wasn't often how I read his posts. It is as if something emboldened him/inflated his view of his righteousness.
A-Schwarzenegger
(15,596 posts)until he looked behind him.
What did he say, "WE'RE gonna put our foot down!"?
I hope he finds a healthier hobby. Hi, Joe! Stop
hurting people! Look within!
pintobean
(18,101 posts)but he finally figured out that he was alone.
Seriously, in the past two days I ahve seen the absolute worse from people I thought wre my allies. FUCK THEM. Bunchafuckingcrones.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024548058#post350
salin
(48,955 posts)I saw everything only after the fact. Quite an unraveling.
A-Schwarzenegger
(15,596 posts)We've seen plenty come & go (& come back again
& go again).
Skittles
(153,160 posts)Last edited Sat Mar 21, 2015, 04:52 AM - Edit history (1)
he is one of those pathetic loser guys who blames his shit job on affirmative action and his lack of dates on women being "bitches"
Texasgal
(17,045 posts)early on Skittles!
I agree, he was an asshole. Glad he's gone!
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)As Post #49 above shows, there could be some confusion.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6390521
Skittles
(153,160 posts)yes INDEED
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)I didn't know that.
I figured he only got here sometime in late 2012.
That was about the time I first noticed some of his, let's say, "unusually peculiar", comments.
It was painful to read his bigoted comments.
It was even more painful to see him get away with it for so damned long.
So, all I have to say is, so long to that pathetic piece of white trash.
He also hated women.
And he had no shame, nor possessed any real compunction to stop arguing his lame points, even after it had been pointed out to him just how offensive his posts were.
I didn't respond to many of his comments, if any, because it seemed totally useless for so long.
He wouldn't have been taunting you women who post in the feminist groups for very long, or disrupting the members who post in the AA group either, if I had been the owner of this site.
I understand a need for tolerance when having discussions about some issues.
But, he was neither tolerant of opposing viewpoints, or intellectually gifted enough to realize just how wrong he was to be espousing those points of view, to begin with.
It's a shame he wasn't banned earlier.
I wonder just how many decent DU members were so reviled by his mere presence that they decided to leave these forums.
He got away with saying the most vile things to members here that it made me wonder what the hell the standards for this site are anymore.
He really set that bar low is all I can say.
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)i hadn't noticed his absence.