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boston bean

(36,221 posts)
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 08:48 AM Mar 2015

AverageJoe90 has FINALLY had his fate handed to him...

After over three years of having him haunting and taunting feminists/black persons on this website, we have lived to see his demise here on the DU.

There's a few threads on it, but I feel compelled to let you all know how many persons on this website he harassed with his misogynistic/racist bullshit. It was a hella lot! And wanted to make a thread in support of those of us who were victimized by him over and over again for three YEARS! Having our posts pointing out his racist and misogynistic bullshit hidden.... thus being punished for confronting the stealth troll. It's not a complaint, but a feature of this system and one we should all be aware of.... So, I AM NOT complaining about the JURY system, just would like to point out how things sometimes work.. we are all responsible for our own posting..

So, to the people who are now obviously relieved by not having to listen and read and be harassed by his constant, never ending racist/sexist/misogynistic dribble, I celebrate with you! It was about god damned time! This thread is for you!



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AverageJoe90 has FINALLY had his fate handed to him... (Original Post) boston bean Mar 2015 OP
This is the 5th thread about it pintobean Mar 2015 #1
Have you been posting in them, or is this the first one? boston bean Mar 2015 #5
Posted in the GD thread, recced all of them pintobean Mar 2015 #11
Right you were blocked for good reason.. Do I have to go dredge up the supporting posts for it? boston bean Mar 2015 #13
If you wish. I don't care. pintobean Mar 2015 #15
I really do have better things to do here in this thread, like support those persons who were boston bean Mar 2015 #17
Was my original reply not supportive? pintobean Mar 2015 #22
you bean people. chill. :D roguevalley Mar 2015 #36
Hee cyberswede Mar 2015 #37
It's not that frickin funny or cute cyberswede! boston bean Mar 2015 #44
:D roguevalley Mar 2015 #157
i love bean people yuiyoshida Mar 2015 #100
So that would make you...a stalker? pinboy3niner Mar 2015 #145
See? You notice its Jack who climbs the Beanstalk... yuiyoshida Mar 2015 #148
and this stuff is why I stay on DU :D roguevalley Mar 2015 #159
I love DU..and as I was saying I wish yuiyoshida Mar 2015 #163
I agree, sweetness. Consider yourself hugged. :D roguevalley Mar 2015 #206
doumo! yuiyoshida Mar 2015 #222
I am sorry that you don't have more younger people brer cat Mar 2015 #216
I enjoy the older generation yuiyoshida Mar 2015 #223
Better than pod people... robbob Mar 2015 #172
lol! yuiyoshida Mar 2015 #175
hey Voice for Peace Mar 2015 #188
Yes! So yuiyoshida Mar 2015 #201
peas, not pods.. they have pods, they need peas Voice for Peace Mar 2015 #204
Shouldn't that be, 'chili'...? TeeYiYi Mar 2015 #179
BAKED... yuiyoshida Mar 2015 #202
with cheese and onions. YUM!!!!! :D roguevalley Mar 2015 #205
Haha... Blue_In_AK Mar 2015 #212
If they smoked weed together, would they be BAKED beans? Ken Burch Mar 2015 #234
Here's something funny re blocked members JustAnotherGen Mar 2015 #20
can you find mine? I was one of like the first 10 :P snooper2 Mar 2015 #53
I'll go an look to be exactly precise, but here are some of your post that are enlightening reading boston bean Mar 2015 #58
They look like a tag team. Rex Mar 2015 #113
Ewwwww. JTFrog Mar 2015 #178
This message was self-deleted by its author shaayecanaan Mar 2015 #230
ROFL alcibiades_mystery Mar 2015 #71
Shouldn't you be jumping on pintobean Mar 2015 #79
How about you worry about you and I will worry about me. nt boston bean Mar 2015 #101
How about I post what I want pintobean Mar 2015 #103
Once you stop worrying and concerning yourself with how I should be responding boston bean Mar 2015 #112
He trolled a lot of groups and people for years geek tragedy Mar 2015 #12
YAAAAY! AJ90 is gone?! WoooooHOOOOO! BlueCaliDem Mar 2015 #57
Grave dancing before there's a body? Ms. Toad Mar 2015 #2
No. boston bean Mar 2015 #3
Thanks. Ms. Toad Mar 2015 #6
You may be one of the few who aren't/weren't aware. boston bean Mar 2015 #8
I suspect more people are aware of AverageJoe. Ms. Toad Mar 2015 #10
I imagine the good average joe will be geek tragedy Mar 2015 #14
I would be - especially if people are in the habit of shortening the troll's name Ms. Toad Mar 2015 #16
Yeah, we all got your point and I resolved this. Anything else? boston bean Mar 2015 #19
No point. I was responding to geek tragedy's comment. n/t Ms. Toad Mar 2015 #26
You're on a roll. pintobean Mar 2015 #30
You're a bit too concerned about me. boston bean Mar 2015 #32
Pffft. Just pointing out the obvious. pintobean Mar 2015 #33
ah, me too. nt boston bean Mar 2015 #34
More people are aware of AverageJoe than of AverageJoe90? A-Schwarzenegger Mar 2015 #23
It may not be match with everyone else's experience, Ms. Toad Mar 2015 #28
No agenda at all, Ms. Toad. A-Schwarzenegger Mar 2015 #31
I must have been lucky enough to have avoided the threads/places where he hung out. n/t Ms. Toad Mar 2015 #38
Then you would have been lucky enough to avoid every single thread regarding boston bean Mar 2015 #40
And global warming - he trolled there too gollygee Mar 2015 #45
To not notice him would be a feat in itself... one would have to not read many comments in posts boston bean Mar 2015 #47
I don't know that I've ever participated in a global warming thread. n/t Ms. Toad Mar 2015 #59
I actually do try to avoid them, since they mostly devolve Ms. Toad Mar 2015 #55
Ok, good. Has this thread sufficiently devolved into you knowing or not knowing or me mistyping boston bean Mar 2015 #60
The AverageJoe I was aware of wouldn't merit grave dancing threads Ms. Toad Mar 2015 #70
Oh, now I'm dragged back in because I have to respond. I was post # 3 telling you I fixed it. boston bean Mar 2015 #74
More overkill. Ms. Toad Mar 2015 #102
If it actually had anything to do with the topic or was in any way supportive of the persons boston bean Mar 2015 #107
The topic I responded to was the banning of AverageJoe Ms. Toad Mar 2015 #207
You are right. I have helped with this derailment in this subthread. boston bean Mar 2015 #209
It all could have been avoided pintobean Mar 2015 #111
No mean feat, to be sure Number23 Mar 2015 #229
I know who Average Joe is hifiguy Mar 2015 #117
I suspect you might be wrong there. Never saw the other AJ, but thanks for that heads up. Rex Mar 2015 #29
frankly I am yuiyoshida Mar 2015 #108
you are sweet.... seabeyond Mar 2015 #110
hey I love all you guys!! yuiyoshida Mar 2015 #128
back atcha. nt seabeyond Mar 2015 #129
heh! yuiyoshida Mar 2015 #132
He lost his shit over a black women telling the world what she thinks about America. Rex Mar 2015 #134
ooh! arigatou! I wish more would come yuiyoshida Mar 2015 #142
I forget about groups, GD/LBN takes up so much time. Rex Mar 2015 #149
You know, I know his name.. I have seen it many times.. yuiyoshida Mar 2015 #155
Are you sure? Because he trolled plenty of threads you posted in cyberswede Mar 2015 #39
If I did, the user name didn't register at all Ms. Toad Mar 2015 #56
The first time I saw normal AverageJoe I was shocked at how normal he was. bravenak Mar 2015 #146
Same here, I think I got them confused on occasion. Rex Mar 2015 #151
He started showing up everytime I posted after I posted in a race thread and mentioned I was black. bravenak Mar 2015 #158
I'd never heard the term SJW until I started reading here. RadFem is a MRA dogwhistle imo. Rex Mar 2015 #162
Ha! I was just trying to ignore his bullshit! bravenak Mar 2015 #168
+1. Non consentual on my part, to be sure. nt seabeyond Mar 2015 #164
I wish there was a term to describe the feeling he gave me. bravenak Mar 2015 #170
i hear ya. i exactly hear ya. nt seabeyond Mar 2015 #171
the asshole... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2015 #215
He did start off on the women... and once he was able to deflect detection.... boston bean Mar 2015 #165
But MRA was who he truely was. bravenak Mar 2015 #169
ya, feminists are allowed if they behaved. if not.... oh, those scary rad fems that did not adopt seabeyond Mar 2015 #183
This message was self-deleted by its author Jeff Rosenzweig Mar 2015 #4
Different account Lancero Mar 2015 #7
The OP originally identified the demised as AverageJoe Ms. Toad Mar 2015 #9
I rarely participate in grave dancing threads .... etherealtruth Mar 2015 #18
I wish I could find his Twitter handle Starry Messenger Mar 2015 #21
I didn't know there was an averagejoe. stage left Mar 2015 #24
Yes kcr Mar 2015 #25
Grave dancing: betsuni Mar 2015 #27
beautiful. thankyou. Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2015 #124
Never heard of or seen the user sakabatou Mar 2015 #35
A quick check, yes you have at least on this thread: "DU posts from 2035" betsuni Mar 2015 #46
Or the post was made after I posted in it sakabatou Mar 2015 #54
Two and a half years ago? pintobean Mar 2015 #61
Some people just don't pay that much attention to user names. seabeyond Mar 2015 #72
notice the first to reply to this thread? trumad Mar 2015 #99
ya, i noticed. as a matter of fact, from the first few on this OP, i wonder if 90 is DI, seabeyond Mar 2015 #105
What a ridiculous thing to post. pintobean Mar 2015 #119
Keep posting. trumad Mar 2015 #120
You're betting on the draw? pintobean Mar 2015 #126
Yawn! trumad Mar 2015 #131
When was that pintobean Mar 2015 #135
Like I said...yawn... trumad Mar 2015 #139
Like I said... pintobean Mar 2015 #141
I think that happened a while back. Rex Mar 2015 #136
doesn't even pretend anymore.. trumad Mar 2015 #140
why are you not harassing people up and down the thread, in the other two OPs about 90, in GD? seabeyond Mar 2015 #121
Add climate change denier to his list octoberlib Mar 2015 #41
He just would not STOP. He flung this shit in everyone's faces for over three years! boston bean Mar 2015 #42
Time to break out this ole pic ... meegbear Mar 2015 #43
Classic! cyberswede Mar 2015 #173
He probably cleaned his cookies and is still here posting under a new name. B Calm Mar 2015 #48
He is incapable of hiding himself. A-Schwarzenegger Mar 2015 #51
ya. lol. just that. he was off my radar until about a year ago. then he was EVERYWHERE seabeyond Mar 2015 #73
As DU's original AverageJoe AverageJoe Mar 2015 #49
Lol! demmiblue Mar 2015 #50
Here's to the true AverageJoe! cyberswede Mar 2015 #63
really. that had to be a pain. maybe that is why i was so confused first. seabeyond Mar 2015 #75
You are free again! Rex Mar 2015 #130
There are a LOT of averagejoe's on DU, just go by different names, may even be different people NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #52
How do you know? hfojvt Mar 2015 #62
Your is a creative response, reach and final premise to the mere dismissal of a troll. LanternWaste Mar 2015 #64
Well, there had to be at least one. boston bean Mar 2015 #67
Oh dear Bobbie Jo Mar 2015 #66
that's it right there hfojvt Mar 2015 #181
Actually, "poor" Bobbie Jo Mar 2015 #185
as in "deserving pity" hfojvt Mar 2015 #193
As in....sarcasm. Bobbie Jo Mar 2015 #196
LOL - anyone who reads DU could see he harrassed a whole bunch of people in threads on privilege etc cyberswede Mar 2015 #69
this is a very good post. thank you cyber. consistently balanced and grounded. nt seabeyond Mar 2015 #76
so would it then be okay hfojvt Mar 2015 #174
I thought this was about AverageJoe90? JustAnotherGen Mar 2015 #177
You should know hfojvt Mar 2015 #190
bravenak started criticizing DU because a large number of blatant racists were permitted here. ieoeja Mar 2015 #203
well, it does sound familiar Kali Mar 2015 #226
"I find the notion of "privilege" to be both BS and offensive" cyberswede Mar 2015 #180
I find that to be so common here hfojvt Mar 2015 #182
You are doing a fine job of taking up his torch! boston bean Mar 2015 #187
have I then hfojvt Mar 2015 #189
Joe tried to be a bit more careful in an effort to hide his bigotry. nt boston bean Mar 2015 #210
Christ all-bloody-mighty, can you even hear yourself? Spider Jerusalem Mar 2015 #195
This message was self-deleted by its author Number23 Mar 2015 #231
+a million Number23 Mar 2015 #232
Pathetic, but predictable response. n/t JTFrog Mar 2015 #78
but social hfojvt Mar 2015 #186
How's that working out for you? JTFrog Mar 2015 #211
nah they are just MRA D-word trumad Mar 2015 #118
Hopefully the merry band of MRA "opiners" will follow daredtowork Mar 2015 #65
Not quite understanding why there are four threads about this BainsBane Mar 2015 #68
ya. i saw him as a stupid little kid. really, sitting at the kids table trying to seabeyond Mar 2015 #77
He was one who was hurtful and disruptive to feminists and black persons. boston bean Mar 2015 #82
he was wrong BB. why i ignored him for so long, and then why i started cutting him down. seabeyond Mar 2015 #85
You know something, having my post diminished as if it isn't worthy, chaps my hide. boston bean Mar 2015 #89
sorry for the way you are interpreting my posts. that is not how i see it at all. seabeyond Mar 2015 #91
i even recommended it and applaud the OP. nt seabeyond Mar 2015 #93
Me too actually. BainsBane Mar 2015 #83
He did what he did for 3 years. boston bean Mar 2015 #87
^ giving voice to some of the worst of the worst ^ Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2015 #153
And his buddies are already picking up the slack Number23 Mar 2015 #233
absolutely perfect example of what goes on around here. Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2015 #239
Exactly. And you know as well as I do that we have lost so many good DUers, particularly Number23 Mar 2015 #241
+1 for all your points. right on. and ya.... seabeyond Mar 2015 #243
I agree with you. He was oblivious to himself and his actions. kwassa Mar 2015 #147
lol Bobbie Jo Mar 2015 #84
and tel him to hush up while the adults talked. nt seabeyond Mar 2015 #86
You don't really need to understand it. boston bean Mar 2015 #80
Because he offended a large majority of the posters here. JTFrog Mar 2015 #81
Another "Look at Me" post I assume. nt Logical Mar 2015 #92
No BainsBane Mar 2015 #106
Everyone needs their own rec's Doctor_J Mar 2015 #133
I think it's fantastic if posts about this jackwagon's PPR make it to the Greatest Page cyberswede Mar 2015 #137
fascinating BainsBane Mar 2015 #161
Where did he come from? Where did he go? Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2015 #88
I thought grave dancing was not allowed? Why do people need to do this? Weird. nt Logical Mar 2015 #90
because of three years putting up with his shit, getting hides calling it out, on a progressive seabeyond Mar 2015 #94
How is grave dancing doing anything? Helping? It isn't. More attention to the banned poster. nt Logical Mar 2015 #96
if nothing else, with adm support, we can finally say what we have been wanting to for a long time. seabeyond Mar 2015 #114
It is basically whining about the DU which is not allowed. "Deal with his crap"?? This is a public.. Logical Mar 2015 #138
it is claimed to be a progressive democratic board with rules, too. seabeyond Mar 2015 #144
I never new 'whining' and 'celebrating' were one and the same. Rex Mar 2015 #167
Whining about the DU? So how is that different than you whining about DUers in your post? Rex Mar 2015 #166
I didn't start a OP to whine about the admins. Get it yet? nt Logical Mar 2015 #208
You might want to take your own advice at this point... Spazito Mar 2015 #192
To give you something else to complain about, Bobbie Jo Mar 2015 #95
Just like your post? LOL. nt Logical Mar 2015 #97
Hooookay Bobbie Jo Mar 2015 #98
This message was self-deleted by its author anotojefiremnesuka Mar 2015 #109
Show us. Quote that section of the TOS. pintobean Mar 2015 #116
It is? cyberswede Mar 2015 #125
Grave dancing has never been a violation of TOS. Kaleva Mar 2015 #152
I can't remember a time when there weren't grave dancing threads gollygee Mar 2015 #154
K&R! n/t RKP5637 Mar 2015 #104
Glad he is gone and won't miss him. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #115
... undeterred Mar 2015 #122
Glad the D-Word is gone. trumad Mar 2015 #123
fuggin' right? ;) . nt seabeyond Mar 2015 #127
LOL cyberswede Mar 2015 #176
Have to ...survival. trumad Mar 2015 #191
I have a feeling he'll be back under a different name davidsilver Mar 2015 #143
TBH, I'm sure he'll be recognizable XemaSab Mar 2015 #150
Let's hope so. davidsilver Mar 2015 #156
He won't be able to help himself. DeadLetterOffice Mar 2015 #184
but he'll talk exactly the same way .... kwassa Mar 2015 #160
TBH, I am surprised at the 'concern' thread. Maybe we should stop posting about AJ90? Rex Mar 2015 #194
I remember a time when dancing on the graves of posters was not allowed. obxhead Mar 2015 #197
Unfortunately grave dancing is a celebrated tradition. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #198
I remember a time when they were locked with a quickness. obxhead Mar 2015 #199
Like you said, things change. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #200
No, the sad occurence was putting up with that troll for 3 years. JTFrog Mar 2015 #213
I agree with the "pain" caused and the relief the admins have brought. obxhead Mar 2015 #214
I concur that this post shows no class whatsoever NoGOPZone Mar 2015 #219
DU certainly loves dancing on graves. Gman Mar 2015 #217
People know that AJ90 is not really actually DEAD, right? A-Schwarzenegger Mar 2015 #218
LOL. boston bean Mar 2015 #221
I was worried A-Schwarzenegger Mar 2015 #225
What did he do to finally get the ax? patricia92243 Mar 2015 #220
I think it was an accumulation of everything, A-Schwarzenegger Mar 2015 #228
what is so strange on that thread... is he seems certain salin Mar 2015 #240
He thought he was the leader of some kind of pack A-Schwarzenegger Mar 2015 #242
Kinda reminds me of Bennyboy's farewell pintobean Mar 2015 #244
A-Scharzenegger - I always enjoy crossing thread/paths with you! salin Mar 2015 #245
Amen, Salin. You were the first to welcome me here. A-Schwarzenegger Mar 2015 #246
FUCK AverageJoe90 Skittles Mar 2015 #224
You should have kicked his ass Texasgal Mar 2015 #227
You should edit to use his full username, including the number pinboy3niner Mar 2015 #235
DONE Skittles Mar 2015 #237
He was here for over 3 years, huh? Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #236
was on my ignore list for a long time MNBrewer Mar 2015 #238
 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
11. Posted in the GD thread, recced all of them
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 09:13 AM
Mar 2015

except this one. I can't post in HOF because you blocked me for defending myself in a META-HOF call-out thread. That's happened to a lot of people.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
17. I really do have better things to do here in this thread, like support those persons who were
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 09:17 AM
Mar 2015

harassed by this bigot?

Can you help me out with that?

yuiyoshida

(41,831 posts)
148. See? You notice its Jack who climbs the Beanstalk...
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 01:30 PM
Mar 2015

Many of us ladies would look at that bean stalk and go.. "Hmmm...How can I put that into a Salad????"

yuiyoshida

(41,831 posts)
163. I love DU..and as I was saying I wish
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 01:46 PM
Mar 2015

There was a way to have a buddy list on here.. like other websites do. I think its great to have internet friends. Life isn't so lonely that way. I also think maybe DU has many of the older generation here and not many of the younger people. I think I remember reading about an 18 year old who was posting here for a while.. But I often wonder just how many of the younger people post here? I suspect too there are not many Asian posters.. which as I said in another post, that makes me sad.. they don't seem to hang out in the Asian group.

brer cat

(24,565 posts)
216. I am sorry that you don't have more younger people
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 06:23 PM
Mar 2015

but let me assure you, you are very much appreciated by the oldsters here. Young folks are invigorating to us, and you provide a much needed perspective that is often quite different from ours.

yuiyoshida

(41,831 posts)
223. I enjoy the older generation
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 07:01 PM
Mar 2015

I learn so much, but I wish there were more Asians on IMVU, I don't know of many here, and its not like we are all hanging out together.. Sometimes it feels like we are a forgotten category, especially on polls where its broken down into races.. I'm like..where are the Asians?

JustAnotherGen

(31,823 posts)
20. Here's something funny re blocked members
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 09:23 AM
Mar 2015

As of last week - AJ was one of two people blocked in the AA group.

I'm a group host and got an alert for transparency on the day where another group host ponted AJ's staus out. Seriously - we are transparent because we don't have a back room work space for hosts - and we're sharing our approach on the troublesome poster and I got alerted on.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was AJ 90 or be of his allies that did that.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
53. can you find mine? I was one of like the first 10 :P
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 11:13 AM
Mar 2015


I don't see AverageJoe on your HOF blocky list...when somebody gets canned do they automatically get removed? Does that mess up what your number is? (everybody above gets shifted down one?)

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
58. I'll go an look to be exactly precise, but here are some of your post that are enlightening reading
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 11:25 AM
Mar 2015

within context of how AJ90 felt.....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5550825

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6375449

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5378274

I know you have a problem with people who fight for social justice, AJ90 did too.

Off to look for what you suggested I look for!

Response to JTFrog (Reply #178)

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
12. He trolled a lot of groups and people for years
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 09:14 AM
Mar 2015

so yes there's going to be a variety of people celebrating a site upgrade.

Note that no one is sorry to see him go.

Even notorious trolls like DKF, Better Believe It, and quinnox had their supporters.

Ms. Toad

(34,072 posts)
10. I suspect more people are aware of AverageJoe.
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 09:13 AM
Mar 2015

I've certainly encountered AverageJoe quite frequently (although in checking to see about his demise, I see he has not posted in 3 months).

Ms. Toad

(34,072 posts)
28. It may not be match with everyone else's experience,
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 09:36 AM
Mar 2015

but there's no agenda here - as you seem to be suggesting.

I've encountered AverageJoe frequently over the years. I haven't encountered AverageJoe90 at all, that I'm aware of. (I suppose it is possible I have encountered him recently and read the name as AverageJoe, a long time member I have been familiar with for years.)

A-Schwarzenegger

(15,596 posts)
31. No agenda at all, Ms. Toad.
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 09:41 AM
Mar 2015

I meant the second "suspect" as in "doubtful"
and I liked how the sentence unfurled.

AverageJoe90 is a DU icon of loathsome notoriety.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
40. Then you would have been lucky enough to avoid every single thread regarding
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 10:35 AM
Mar 2015

racism/misogyny in General Discussion.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
45. And global warming - he trolled there too
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 10:51 AM
Mar 2015

I think those three subjects were about all he ever talked about.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
47. To not notice him would be a feat in itself... one would have to not read many comments in posts
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 10:52 AM
Mar 2015

to claim that.

He didn't do much OP posting, but his comments were everywhere!

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
60. Ok, good. Has this thread sufficiently devolved into you knowing or not knowing or me mistyping
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 11:27 AM
Mar 2015

a user name by leaving off the 90?

It really was about NONE of that.... with that I'm out of this particular conversation.

Ms. Toad

(34,072 posts)
70. The AverageJoe I was aware of wouldn't merit grave dancing threads
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 12:02 PM
Mar 2015

and when I checked the announcement of his demise appeared untimely - as my post noted. I was surprised when my post merited anything beyond, "Oops. My bad. Let me fix it."

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
74. Oh, now I'm dragged back in because I have to respond. I was post # 3 telling you I fixed it.
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 12:11 PM
Mar 2015

and provided you a link. So, you got what you wanted, immediately after you posted it. You were post # 2, I was post #3.

Star Member boston bean (22,082 posts)

3. No.

I updated my thread by adding the 90 at the end of his name, to help with any confusion.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=272790


You posted at 9:06am, I responded to you at 9:08am. Is there really much more to say.

Do we have to hear over and over how you didn't know the poster I was referring to, even after it was pointed out and corrected immediately!

This post was to support those who had to deal with a troll who harassed them with bigoted comments for 3 years.

You don't know him, good. You never saw him, good. I corrected my post for you, good. Anything else I can do to clear this up or must it keep going on and on?

Ms. Toad

(34,072 posts)
102. More overkill.
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 12:51 PM
Mar 2015

Correcting your OP was a good thing. Your overreaction to my explanations to other people who could not easily see that you originally named the poster AverageJoe (because you changed it within the 30 minute no-track period) is over the top.

If someone addresses me wondering why I am misreading your post, I'm going to explain. What you can do is just ignore it, rather than act as if I'm attacking you by offering an explanation.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
107. If it actually had anything to do with the topic or was in any way supportive of the persons
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 12:54 PM
Mar 2015

who had to put up with this crap for 3 years, I might be a bit more easy going about it. At this point it it's just derailment.

You could educate yourself on the poster I AM referring too and offer a bit of support, no?

Ms. Toad

(34,072 posts)
207. The topic I responded to was the banning of AverageJoe
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 04:50 PM
Mar 2015

Because you changed the topic after I responded, a couple of people pointed out that I misread the topic - so I'm clarified my response. That's not derailing. Following me around the thread making snide comments - or even not following me around but stage whispering snide comments is not the behavior of someone who wants to keep the thread on topic.

As for offering support to victims of his behavior: grave-dancing threads are about celebrating the demise of a troll - and saying stuff about the troll that the troll can read but can't respond to. They are not about consoling targets of the troll, since the targets are now the victors. I don't spend much time in grave dancing threads - I certainly don't go research posters who were not in my consciousness prior to the grave dancing threads in order to support people they may have targeted in the past. Had this thread been captioned the way it currently is, I would not have even clicked on the thread.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
209. You are right. I have helped with this derailment in this subthread.
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 05:09 PM
Mar 2015

But only in an effort to get it back on track. Since I responded to you within two minutes of you pointing it out to me and changed the OP so as to avoid confusion and let you know right away, which it seems you are forgetting quite often, not sure what much else can be done to help you with this.

But none the less, you are correct, I have helped in derailing with this subthread in trying to get it back on track. Sorry, that you attribute all sorts of motivations to me that are not based in truth. If you must have the last word, please do so, and maybe this sub thread will just die out.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
111. It all could have been avoided
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 12:56 PM
Mar 2015

if the OP had noted the change in the OP.

I don't know why she's all over you, it's not like it was your mistake.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
117. I know who Average Joe is
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 01:04 PM
Mar 2015

but that there were two AJs, one "90" was not something I had noticed. I suppose it's a reflection of the threads I read and post in.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
29. I suspect you might be wrong there. Never saw the other AJ, but thanks for that heads up.
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 09:36 AM
Mar 2015

I wonder why AJ hasn't posted in 2 months? Oh well, you ran into them a lot. That's all that counts.

yuiyoshida

(41,831 posts)
108. frankly I am
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 12:54 PM
Mar 2015

surprised he never trolled the Asian group, but than no one ever goes there Sometimes I feel Like I am posting all by myself... maybe we should get it renamed to the Yuiyoshida group.. cause its lonely there!

yuiyoshida

(41,831 posts)
128. hey I love all you guys!!
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 01:11 PM
Mar 2015
You know what I wish?? I wish we had some way to add our friends on here, like some websites do. You know, a list of special friends. I would love that but I guess it will never happen, and I will have to admire all of you from afar...
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
134. He lost his shit over a black women telling the world what she thinks about America.
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 01:15 PM
Mar 2015

Goes to show how a RWing racist will finally mess up and get shit canned. I'll come and visit you in the Asian group. Nobody should feel lonely.

yuiyoshida

(41,831 posts)
142. ooh! arigatou! I wish more would come
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 01:26 PM
Mar 2015

Lately I been posting videos from the NHK series Begin japanology and some of them are so fascinating that even I learned some new things about Japan that I never knew. But then again, my family has been far removed from the Japanese culture.. in many respects. Anyway, I wish more people would come and I wish I had a way to promote it so people would come. I have been invited to join the AA group, but since AsahinaKimi has been busy, I been running the Asian group all by myself. And also it seems unfair to just post Japanese stuff, when there is so many wonderful cultural things from other Asian countries.. But I guess DU doesn't have that many Asians on here, which makes me sad.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
149. I forget about groups, GD/LBN takes up so much time.
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 01:31 PM
Mar 2015

I need to spread my wings a little, lots of great groups on DU. That makes me sad there are so few minorities on DU or it feels that way. We are a diverse group so I hope it is just do to lack of advertising of that group.

However, trolls like AverageJoe90 probably ran off a lot of minorities on DU. Racist/Sexist trolls are the absolute worst.

yuiyoshida

(41,831 posts)
155. You know, I know his name.. I have seen it many times..
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 01:37 PM
Mar 2015

I don't think he ever harassed me. I could go back and look into my Inbox on here, I have often received private messages from guys saying things like "hey you are pretty..blah blah blah" which I guess is their way of flirting with me on DU, but.. I usually respond politely and then ignore it.. but I don't recall any thing from him.. nor him commenting about things I have said. I have been hit by a few nasty remarks but they end up with that Name Removed thingy..

I have a hard time responding to some stuff on here, cause I would rather have a lot of friends than a lot of enemies.. AsahinaKimi told me one of the reasons she doesn't post as much is she has been harassed on here.. including one guy who is long gone..but she mostly is busy these days with her own personal projects, and only looks in from time to time. She even asked me to run things in the Asian group which I don't mind..I love that group cause I can post all kinds of cultural things and hope that people will notice.

cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
39. Are you sure? Because he trolled plenty of threads you posted in
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 10:33 AM
Mar 2015

...and I'm sure you've conversed with him.

Ms. Toad

(34,072 posts)
56. If I did, the user name didn't register at all
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 11:24 AM
Mar 2015

I don't pay much attention to the names of users when I'm posting, so if you asked me who I responded to in a given conversation I probably could give you substance, but most of the time, not user names.

I am aware of AverageJoe, and he didn't stand out in my mind as matching the OP (or the multiple grave dancing theads), which is why I went looking.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
146. The first time I saw normal AverageJoe I was shocked at how normal he was.
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 01:28 PM
Mar 2015

I had to search to see what was wrong. Then I noticed my bff AverageJoe had a 90 after his name. I felt bad for AverageJoe that somebody like that had a similar name. No wonder he rarely posts!

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
151. Same here, I think I got them confused on occasion.
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 01:34 PM
Mar 2015

I'd swear I'd seen normal posts from AJ90. Now I see it was AJ. I think you had AJ90s number since he started blowing up, I don't even remember when. Maybe the Zimmerman trial?

Just mention white privilege and you were guaranteed AJ90 would show up 'concerned' about the white man's plight.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
158. He started showing up everytime I posted after I posted in a race thread and mentioned I was black.
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 01:38 PM
Mar 2015

And a WOMAN. That was the thing that did it though. It was a HoF thread I think. Pissed him off acting like a RadFem SJW. Then I posted on white privilege. Wrong move. We've been dating ever since I think. Non consentual on my part, to be sure. I believe many of his hides were things he said to me or about me. Loved me dearly. Couldn't stay away.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
162. I'd never heard the term SJW until I started reading here. RadFem is a MRA dogwhistle imo.
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 01:44 PM
Mar 2015

I love the irony of him losing his shit and getting banned over an OP about what a BLACK WOMEN thinks about America! Karma, karma, karma!

It should be interesting to see if you get a new bff sooner or later. You did good bravenak, racist/sexist trolls are the worst! You got him to slip up a little bit and then picked him apart!

A toast to you!

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
168. Ha! I was just trying to ignore his bullshit!
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 02:02 PM
Mar 2015

I knew he was trying to get me hides since he went around explaining to all and sundry how I was targeting him. Too funny! I loved when he put his foot down, though. Best shit ever. I told my mama! Sad that people irl know all about him. I was just with him for so long!

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
170. I wish there was a term to describe the feeling he gave me.
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 02:07 PM
Mar 2015

Felt slightly molested but not in a sexual way. You know what I mean. Just icky.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
165. He did start off on the women... and once he was able to deflect detection....
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 01:52 PM
Mar 2015

and by that I mean no repercussions, not that people didn't notice, he quickly moved on to race.

He was a bigot, with a twist of MRA...

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
169. But MRA was who he truely was.
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 02:03 PM
Mar 2015

I could tell. He said rad fem so many times it was like a broken record. How he pissed of the Environment and Energy group I will never know. Seems strange that he got banned from 3 discrete groups.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
183. ya, feminists are allowed if they behaved. if not.... oh, those scary rad fems that did not adopt
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 02:38 PM
Mar 2015

his thinking. you are right. i did give him the definition of rad fem on numerous occasion, not that he ever took the time to acknowledge his interpretation of radfem was rw/limbaugh/stupid.

Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #2)

Ms. Toad

(34,072 posts)
9. The OP originally identified the demised as AverageJoe
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 09:11 AM
Mar 2015

(I wasn't even aware there was an AverageJoe90.)

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
18. I rarely participate in grave dancing threads ....
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 09:18 AM
Mar 2015

.... but ....


At first I thought his posts had to be parody or bad "performance art" .... as time went on i realized this poster truly did not care for peole of color or women

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
21. I wish I could find his Twitter handle
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 09:24 AM
Mar 2015

From things he posted, he got his ass handed to him regularly on social media, but since there are no jurors on there, his targets could take him to the woodshed where he dearly needs to stay.

Not so here, where people get punished for pointing out bigots. He liked it here because it protected him.

stage left

(2,962 posts)
24. I didn't know there was an averagejoe.
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 09:30 AM
Mar 2015

I'm one of the ones who shortened averagejoe90's name. At least I did in a thread yesterday. My apologies to averagejoe.

betsuni

(25,526 posts)
27. Grave dancing:
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 09:34 AM
Mar 2015

Albrecht was a jackass but Giselle still loved him, saved him from being danced to death at her grave and he learned how to be a non-jackass. Our boyfriend Average Joe was not saved ... On a thread, guess it was last year, I posted violin music, mostly Tchaikovsky pieces, in response to every jackass whining victim Joe Average post there. I was surprised I didn't get in trouble. Guess coming in late to a thread and being invisible has its advantages. Mr. Tchaikovsky hates Joe, for the record.
 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
61. Two and a half years ago?
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 11:29 AM
Mar 2015

A year before you joined. Seems like an odd thing to note. Some people just don't pay that much attention to user names.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
72. Some people just don't pay that much attention to user names.
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 12:06 PM
Mar 2015

and then there is you.

oh, that is funny pintobean!

 

trumad

(41,692 posts)
99. notice the first to reply to this thread?
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 12:47 PM
Mar 2015

I'm surprised the trumphet hasn't blown for the others yet. I mean one of their own got tombstoned. They are probably in mourning.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
105. ya, i noticed. as a matter of fact, from the first few on this OP, i wonder if 90 is DI,
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 12:53 PM
Mar 2015

and this is a bit of support.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
135. When was that
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 01:18 PM
Mar 2015

when I pointed out that you made a ridiculous claim? That's not going to come as a shock to most people.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
136. I think that happened a while back.
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 01:20 PM
Mar 2015

His concern in this thread is so touching! It's like he is upset about something.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
41. Add climate change denier to his list
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 10:37 AM
Mar 2015

of offenses. When I joined DU he had just gotten banned from the environment and energy group. He went on and on about it in countless threads.

A-Schwarzenegger

(15,596 posts)
51. He is incapable of hiding himself.
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 11:04 AM
Mar 2015

That's what was so astonishing.
Everybody said, "We all see you, fucker!"
And he said, "No, you don't!"

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
73. ya. lol. just that. he was off my radar until about a year ago. then he was EVERYWHERE
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 12:08 PM
Mar 2015

i turned. i had a good 6 months of just seeing a lot fo stupid. then i started seeing an escalation in AA group. that is when i started even addressing him.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
75. really. that had to be a pain. maybe that is why i was so confused first.
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 12:11 PM
Mar 2015

i kept checking his profile cause such a troll, but i was used to you. ....

you get your name back.



 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
130. You are free again!
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 01:13 PM
Mar 2015

Must feel good knowing your evil doppelganger got his comeuppance! TBH with you, I didn't think he would ever get shit canned. Funny he finally lost it over a black women saying how she feels about America.

Now you can post and not worry about people mixing you up with that troll.

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
52. There are a LOT of averagejoe's on DU, just go by different names, may even be different people
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 11:08 AM
Mar 2015

but the sentiments are the same.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
62. How do you know?
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 11:31 AM
Mar 2015

That must be a lot of watching you do, or is it pming. To know that he harrassed a whole bunch of people here.

It seems odd to me, about this misogynistic and racist BS.

I mean, recently, like a week ago there was a thread titled "feminists don't hate men, but it wouldn't matter if we did".

So apparently it is okay to hate men.

Now, we have a black person defending another black person who said very publicly "I hate America and white people", and pretty much attacking all of white DU, if not all of DU.

In the eyes of some then, it is okay to hate white people too.

Woe to the white male who pushes back on that. They become MRA racists.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
64. Your is a creative response, reach and final premise to the mere dismissal of a troll.
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 11:35 AM
Mar 2015

Your is a creative response, reach and final premise to the mere dismissal of a troll.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
67. Well, there had to be at least one.
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 11:42 AM
Mar 2015

We know there are many more.... and it just can't stand that a feminist or black person would happy about the banning of a racist misogynist.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
181. that's it right there
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 02:32 PM
Mar 2015

Some people would be part of a group who thinks that the poor really ARE being oppressed by the rich.

Others wouldn't.

White guys who happen to be poor are not oppressed by anyone.

Why, the very idea is just a joke.

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
196. As in....sarcasm.
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 03:31 PM
Mar 2015

You DO know that white guys are probably the least oppressed demographic in existence.?

Ever.

cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
69. LOL - anyone who reads DU could see he harrassed a whole bunch of people in threads on privilege etc
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 11:55 AM
Mar 2015

He was a total troll who purposely, and "politely" took a dump in every thread on racism, misogyny, feminism, and privilege (and evidently climate change). It didn't take "watching" or "pming" to see it.

Saying "it wouldn't matter" if feminists were to hate men is not the same as saying "it's ok" to hate men.

Explaining why a young person of color might "hate" America and white people is not saying "it's ok" to hate white people.

Maybe the white males who take issue with these ideas should listen more carefully to what is being said, rather then getting all defensive. If you're not a misogynist or a racist, those threads aren't talking about you.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
174. so would it then be okay
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 02:14 PM
Mar 2015

to explain why a young white person might hate black people?

Or would that be bigotry?

I tend to not like bigotry, OR excuses for bigotry, especially when the bigotry is aimed at me, and people like me.

How the heck do you draw a distinction between "it wouldn't matter" and "it's ok". Those look pretty damned equivalent to me. Because it WOULD matter for the simple fact that hatred and bigotry are NOT okay. At least in my book.

And as far as "anyone who reads DU". Well people read DU differently. That should be pretty obvious. The guy made 11,000 posts. I doubt very much if I read even a third of them. There are about 10,000 posts on DU every day (or more). To read 1,000 of them and make some posts of your own (at least if the post was longer than or :eyes would take a fair amount of time.

I, myself, tend to jump in on threads on misogyny when they say things like "I hate men" or "men suck". I tend to not find bigotry directed at me to be all that acceptable, even if some people just love their double standards. When we have threads on racism, they tend not to talk about the troubles of black people, but they spend more time talking about white people. I find the notion of "privilege" to be both BS and offensive.

Maybe the people who are making white males get defensive should also listen to the complaints of those people they have offended instead of getting even more offensive themselves?

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
190. You should know
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 03:15 PM
Mar 2015

I often have a problem staying on point.

It seems to me, not that I have read all of his posts, that AJ90 was a white male who often pushed back against attacks on whites or males.

Now I tend to think Bravenak is pretty cool, maybe because I am an old fan of Boondocks. BUT her recent posts seemed to be attacking ALL of DU, and especially all the whites on DU.

That seems a little bigotted to me, to smear a group for what apparently SOME in the group did. Her "y'all" was simply NOT accurate. I certainly wasn't part of any Iggy Rap threads (not that I am worth listening to anyway).

AJ90's response was over-the-top but at least he was not attacking large swaths of DU or defending somebody who said "I hate black people".

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
203. bravenak started criticizing DU because a large number of blatant racists were permitted here.
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 03:56 PM
Mar 2015

It started with the gungeneers holding DU hostage. Racist killing with a gun? Defend the gun! Which meant defending the shooter. Which meant defending the racist. Which meant defending the racism.

But don't kick them out. Otherwise, they will cry to the world that DU does not allow supporters of the 2nd Amendment.

I don't know if that was how it played out in the minds of Skinner, et al. But that is where I first saw blatant racism being ignored. So it would explain it.

Then Discussionist brought racists over to DU in droves. And they managed to pack the juries. I was astounded by the number of openly racist posts I alerted that failed the alert.

Did bravenak take DU to task for that? Yes. And rightly so. We deserved it.


cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
180. "I find the notion of "privilege" to be both BS and offensive"
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 02:31 PM
Mar 2015

You should have opened your reply with that line, because there's no point in reading the rest of it now.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
182. I find that to be so common here
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 02:36 PM
Mar 2015

If you disagree with me (or us) then you are not worth talking to.

Belief in privilege is, of course, a way to distinguish heretics from members of the body.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
187. You are doing a fine job of taking up his torch!
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 02:44 PM
Mar 2015

He had all the same opinions.... Face it, lots and lots of people on DU disagree and find those opinions offensive. You will just have to live with that.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
189. have I then
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 02:59 PM
Mar 2015

said anything racist or misogynist?

Seems to me, then, we should understand each other. I find the notion of privilege to be offensive. You, et. al., find my denial of privilege to be offensive.

After that, we seem to diverge. I tend to attack the "notion" of privilege. The "defenders" of the notion often tend to attack ME.

So you say, I will just have to live with the abusiveness of the group.

And as for taking up HIS torch. Er, I have been here since November 2004, seven years before him. If anything, he was taking up my torch. (Not mind you, that I am endorsing everything he wrote (truthfully, I probably abjure 10% of the things I write myself))

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
195. Christ all-bloody-mighty, can you even hear yourself?
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 03:29 PM
Mar 2015

When your hypothetical "young white person" has been on the receiving end of a lifetime of shit that includes things like bieng randomly stopped and harassed by police for no reason, being followed around by nervous store clerks who think they're probably a shoplifter, seeing people like themselves stereotyped as lazy and violent, subjected to lots of magazine articles and TV personalities asking "what's wrong with white people?" and talking about "white cultural pathology", and pretty much everything that almost every black person in the US has to deal with on a pretty regular basis, then maybe, just MAYBE you might be able to make some sort of reasonable argument for "why a young white person might hate black people". If all of that were part of the daily fabric of life as a white person in the USA, you might even have a good argument for "why white people might have a reason to hate America". But you know, none of that stuff applies to white people as a group. So you're just being completely absurd in a way that comes across as an unintentional parody of clueless racism.

Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #195)

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
186. but social
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 02:43 PM
Mar 2015

"A second basic fact that characterizes nonviolence is that it does not seek to defeat or humiliate the opponent, but to win his friendship and understanding." p. 102

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
211. How's that working out for you?
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 05:49 PM
Mar 2015

Your buddy was able to gain a little wiggle room with that philosophy, but I don't see either of you winning any friends or understanding around here.

Just sayin....



BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
68. Not quite understanding why there are four threads about this
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 11:46 AM
Mar 2015

Yes, he was a pain, but so have been some others who were shown the door.

When it comes to misogynists, there are definitely worse. He probably was about the most persistant of the "poor white people" posters though.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
77. ya. i saw him as a stupid little kid. really, sitting at the kids table trying to
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 12:17 PM
Mar 2015

weasel a seat at the adults table.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
82. He was one who was hurtful and disruptive to feminists and black persons.
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 12:23 PM
Mar 2015

I don't think it's fair to those who he harassed to make it seem like he was just an immature little boy.

He knew what he was doing. He was a stealth bigoted troll.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
85. he was wrong BB. why i ignored him for so long, and then why i started cutting him down.
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 12:29 PM
Mar 2015

because he was wrong what he did and he should not have been allowed to continue. a stupid little kid or not.

his arguments failed, they were stupid, and they were obvious.

i can do both. see him as a stupid little kid and see that what he was doing had to be challenge, every time i came in contact with him.

a pain in the ass, waste of my time, and still i spoke up. i did not engage in conversation, because he was a stupid little pissant. but, i did challenge, always.

or almost.

would have been much easier to ignore. easier yet, .... if his ass was tos'ed long ago

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
89. You know something, having my post diminished as if it isn't worthy, chaps my hide.
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 12:34 PM
Mar 2015

If people actually read it, they would realize it's not just about him. There were a lot of points raised.

But to have you folks make this seem like I am giving him some sort of victory for posting about is just plain old wrong.

Sorry for any misunderstandings my post may have caused. and thanks for the support. We can chalk this one up to good ole joe too!

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
91. sorry for the way you are interpreting my posts. that is not how i see it at all.
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 12:36 PM
Mar 2015

i very much support your Op and what you are saying. i have in a number of these threads.

i think i have thru out this thread.

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
83. Me too actually.
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 12:24 PM
Mar 2015

I'm probably in the minority, but I think it wasn't an act, that he really was as clueless as he seemed. I also bet the PPR came to as a shock to him. He was so convinced that he was in the right, that the "race baiters" and feminists were the ones trolling, that his head is probably spinning from all this.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
87. He did what he did for 3 years.
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 12:30 PM
Mar 2015

frustrating people, hurting them, giving voice to some of the worst of the worst, basically unscathed.

This thread aint just about him.

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
153. ^ giving voice to some of the worst of the worst ^
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 01:36 PM
Mar 2015

AJ90 help to set a tone of what DU would allow and tolerate and he emboldened other bigots on here.
And juries consistently voted to Leave It Alone.

Meanwhile, his crew would alert on replies to AJ90 and then sit on the juries and hide replies to AJ90 for being OTT.

It was very frustrating to watch.

He may be childish but, he swung a wide scythe of disharmony and injustice on here and was helped along by others who are equally childish and unaware, unkind and uncaring.

Spoiled brats need attention too,or they will grow up to be Spoiled Tyrants with capacity to affect millions of lives.

We are witnessing this in society at large as we type.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
233. And his buddies are already picking up the slack
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 02:34 AM
Mar 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6392797

Yes, such a HORRIBLE post to someone who is clearly posting to me about absolutely nothing and for absolutely no reason whatsoever other than to annoy and goad. I mean, that post is some seriously mild salsa compared to what I can and have done around here.

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
239. absolutely perfect example of what goes on around here.
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 10:44 AM
Mar 2015

my last hide was equally offensive.

offensive to me, in that it was hidden
offensive to them, in that their little feebles got hurted.

somehow, OUR feelings are to NEVER be hurt even when they deliver a mortal gut wound and, we come back with a mild surface scratch.

This system is NOT equal and, justice is handed out disproportionately, much like it is IN REAL LIFE.
Just proving how much DU is a microcosm of society at large.

Thank you for posting that, Number23.

blatantly obvious what is going on around here and, why people are leaving in droves.
They may be lurking and reading BUT they are not POSTING.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
241. Exactly. And you know as well as I do that we have lost so many good DUers, particularly
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 05:03 PM
Mar 2015

minorities and women over this kind of foolishness. And this web site is lessened to the point of almost nothing as a result. Even those that are just lurking, we are missing out on a diversity of voices from people that should be speaking while we are bombarded by folks who don't speak for the Dem party and never will.

And like I noted in the AA forum thread celebrating AJ90's demise, that I was so happy that it finally happened that I'm even willing to overlook the fact that despite the fact that black posters and women had been alerting about AJ90 FOREVER, it very likely was the very detailed alert from A-Schwarzeneger (a white guy) that was the final straw. Now if that don't tell you everything you need to know about this place and how it's being run, nothing will.

As for that hidden post, I cracked up laughing when I got the note that it was hidden. NOTHING surprises me about DU anymore so the fact that something that tame hidden and the fact that not one single Hide vote left a comment had me giggling. That hide did absolutely nothing but brazenly highlight that somebody realized that they were outclassed and that their "feebles" (to use your truly excellent phrase) were hurt. And it was very likely only going to get worse.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
243. +1 for all your points. right on. and ya....
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 06:03 PM
Mar 2015

thank you A, but that it has to come from a white male to be heard. that is not something new.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
147. I agree with you. He was oblivious to himself and his actions.
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 01:29 PM
Mar 2015

What we were seeing is just the way he really is.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
80. You don't really need to understand it.
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 12:20 PM
Mar 2015

it just is what it is. A thread for the people he harassed for three years.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
81. Because he offended a large majority of the posters here.
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 12:21 PM
Mar 2015

That would be my guess.

He has a very small handful of defenders. And I'm sure when they finally get booted there will be four or five threads about them too. You can't troll for years and not have people celebrate when long overdue action is taken.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
133. Everyone needs their own rec's
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 01:15 PM
Mar 2015

For some making the Greatest Page seems to generate some sort of soothing feeling.

cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
137. I think it's fantastic if posts about this jackwagon's PPR make it to the Greatest Page
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 01:21 PM
Mar 2015

He was a boil on DU's ass and deserves every single two-step currently being performed on his grave.

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
161. fascinating
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 01:44 PM
Mar 2015

How some want to pretend it has nothing to do with an anti-feminist and poor-white-people type being bounced as a troll.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
94. because of three years putting up with his shit, getting hides calling it out, on a progressive
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 12:39 PM
Mar 2015

board, that this shit should not have happened in the first place?

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
96. How is grave dancing doing anything? Helping? It isn't. More attention to the banned poster. nt
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 12:42 PM
Mar 2015
 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
114. if nothing else, with adm support, we can finally say what we have been wanting to for a long time.
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 12:58 PM
Mar 2015

secondly, it is positive reinforcement to adm that we approve their call. that we had seen this for a while now, and cool they finally got rid of the dude.

and lastly, maybe a suggestion we not wait that long cause look at how many had to deal with his crap, when we shouldnt on a democratic progressive board.

people leave because of these type. they bring nothing into the conversation and we lose smart, insightful, reasoned people cause they do not want to deal with this shit.

it matters.

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
138. It is basically whining about the DU which is not allowed. "Deal with his crap"?? This is a public..
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 01:21 PM
Mar 2015

discussion board. Shit happens. Assholes appear.

You can ignore them, alert on them, etc.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
144. it is claimed to be a progressive democratic board with rules, too.
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 01:26 PM
Mar 2015

we can ignore them, alert on them OR... even call them out and challenge their crap. hence, this thread.

the OP is not whining about du. specifically clarified so she could not be accused about whining about du.

she is speaking up about a long time troll that caused disruption, that skinner finally outed.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
167. I never new 'whining' and 'celebrating' were one and the same.
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 01:55 PM
Mar 2015

Learned something new today. Also, I wonder why Logical does not take his own advice?

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
166. Whining about the DU? So how is that different than you whining about DUers in your post?
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 01:54 PM
Mar 2015

Just curious, you seem to be doing what you protest to so much. Grave dancing is whining? News to me, looks more like a celebration.

So why didn't you just ignore, trash this thread...don't like to take your own advice?

Response to Logical (Reply #90)

cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
125. It is?
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 01:09 PM
Mar 2015

Well...since you joined less than a month ago, you probably read it more recently than I did...but I don't think the TOS says anything about grave dancing threads.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
154. I can't remember a time when there weren't grave dancing threads
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 01:37 PM
Mar 2015

often with the old tombstone and Elaine from Seinfeld dancing on it.

You've been here like three weeks. You're an expert on what does and doesn't happen at DU?

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
115. Glad he is gone and won't miss him.
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 12:59 PM
Mar 2015

There are a few more like him then I help but the admins look at them too.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
160. but he'll talk exactly the same way ....
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 01:40 PM
Mar 2015

He is incapable of disguise. He is just the way he is.

and be busted again.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
194. TBH, I am surprised at the 'concern' thread. Maybe we should stop posting about AJ90?
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 03:21 PM
Mar 2015

It appears some might be worried that we are not using 'hide thread' or 'ignore' enough! TBH TBH TBH TBH I am sure SURE that is sincere concern...for a racist/sexist troll...er...I mean our neglect of the ignore button.

 

obxhead

(8,434 posts)
197. I remember a time when dancing on the graves of posters was not allowed.
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 03:34 PM
Mar 2015

Now they sit on the home page under the greatest threads.

Sigh.

You may be right in every way, but this post shows no class what so ever.

 

obxhead

(8,434 posts)
199. I remember a time when they were locked with a quickness.
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 03:43 PM
Mar 2015

Oh well, things change.

Its not a big deal, just a sad occurance.

It makes me really miss the unrec button we once had.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
213. No, the sad occurence was putting up with that troll for 3 years.
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 05:56 PM
Mar 2015

You don't have to participate, but please excuse us while we take a moment to appreciate the fact that DU is a much better place today because of the admin's actions (way overdue to be sure).

Thank you.



 

obxhead

(8,434 posts)
214. I agree with the "pain" caused and the relief the admins have brought.
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 06:04 PM
Mar 2015

Make a post on your issue with pride.

Grave dancing in public is..... Well I don't know what it is, other than tasteless.

To each their own though. I honestly believe DU was a better place when these posts were shut down quickly.

NoGOPZone

(2,971 posts)
219. I concur that this post shows no class whatsoever
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 06:53 PM
Mar 2015

and I can't think of a more appropriate recipient of that treatment than AverageJoe90

A-Schwarzenegger

(15,596 posts)
225. I was worried
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 07:14 PM
Mar 2015

they thought we were all actually down the cemetery
doin the Elaine on 90's fresh-turned mound of sod.

He's probably got his feet up on the veranda,
sippin on a pabst, relieved he doesn't have to try
to save us ingrates from ourselves anymore.

A-Schwarzenegger

(15,596 posts)
228. I think it was an accumulation of everything,
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 08:20 PM
Mar 2015

disruption in threads on race, gender, climate,
but this looks like it was the final straw,
even though it didn't get hidden...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6379443

salin

(48,955 posts)
240. what is so strange on that thread... is he seems certain
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 11:02 AM
Mar 2015

that he is speaking for the majority. Even when multiple other folks respond otherwise.

That wasn't often how I read his posts. It is as if something emboldened him/inflated his view of his righteousness.

A-Schwarzenegger

(15,596 posts)
242. He thought he was the leader of some kind of pack
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 05:27 PM
Mar 2015

until he looked behind him.
What did he say, "WE'RE gonna put our foot down!"?
I hope he finds a healthier hobby. Hi, Joe! Stop
hurting people! Look within!

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
244. Kinda reminds me of Bennyboy's farewell
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 06:16 PM
Mar 2015

but he finally figured out that he was alone.

it is absolutely hostile and why this will be my last post here ever.
Seriously, in the past two days I ahve seen the absolute worse from people I thought wre my allies. FUCK THEM. Bunchafuckingcrones.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024548058#post350

salin

(48,955 posts)
245. A-Scharzenegger - I always enjoy crossing thread/paths with you!
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 08:39 PM
Mar 2015


I saw everything only after the fact. Quite an unraveling.

A-Schwarzenegger

(15,596 posts)
246. Amen, Salin. You were the first to welcome me here.
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 08:55 PM
Mar 2015

We've seen plenty come & go (& come back again
& go again).

Skittles

(153,160 posts)
224. FUCK AverageJoe90
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 07:08 PM
Mar 2015

Last edited Sat Mar 21, 2015, 04:52 AM - Edit history (1)

he is one of those pathetic loser guys who blames his shit job on affirmative action and his lack of dates on women being "bitches"

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
236. He was here for over 3 years, huh?
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 04:36 AM
Mar 2015

I didn't know that.
I figured he only got here sometime in late 2012.
That was about the time I first noticed some of his, let's say, "unusually peculiar", comments.
It was painful to read his bigoted comments.
It was even more painful to see him get away with it for so damned long.

So, all I have to say is, so long to that pathetic piece of white trash.
He also hated women.

And he had no shame, nor possessed any real compunction to stop arguing his lame points, even after it had been pointed out to him just how offensive his posts were.
I didn't respond to many of his comments, if any, because it seemed totally useless for so long.

He wouldn't have been taunting you women who post in the feminist groups for very long, or disrupting the members who post in the AA group either, if I had been the owner of this site.
I understand a need for tolerance when having discussions about some issues.
But, he was neither tolerant of opposing viewpoints, or intellectually gifted enough to realize just how wrong he was to be espousing those points of view, to begin with.

It's a shame he wasn't banned earlier.
I wonder just how many decent DU members were so reviled by his mere presence that they decided to leave these forums.
He got away with saying the most vile things to members here that it made me wonder what the hell the standards for this site are anymore.
He really set that bar low is all I can say.

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