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She wants to bury the blue dress. Monica Lewinsky gave a TED Talk at the 2015 event in Vancouver, Canada, on Thursday, Mar. 19, during which she brought up her infamous affair with former President Bill Clinton back in 1998, while she was a White House intern and he was the leader of the free world.

"At the age of 22, I fell in love with my boss," Lewinsky, now 41, said. "At the age of 24, I learned the devastating consequences... Who didn’t make a mistake at 22?"

"Not a day goes by that I am not reminded of my mistake, and I regret that mistake deeply," she revealed. "In 1998, after having been swept up in an improbable romance, I was then swept up into the eye of

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I didn't make any mistakes like that at 22 - celebrities never fazed me.

Apologize!

she didnt lose it like it was some accident she went after the president according to her own words and f bill for not keeping it in his pants

Don't pretend it wasn't...

I interpreted that Romeo.lima333 was responding to Monica's statement that &quot she) lost (her) reputation and dignity."

I can't logically see it interpreted any other way.

It seemed clear to me what romeo was referring to.

I'm not seeing it, but I'm told I've been wrong once or twice.

"you gave it away" in reference to Lewinski's respect and dignity.

There's no logical reason or nexus for your interpretation of the conversation.

N/T

she didnt lose it like a misplaced set of keys she sought after the president and found him

Where was Hillary to speak up for abused women, like "that woman, Ms. Lewinsky"? No instead, all of Hillary's friends disparaged Monica, making her out to be a crazed stalker.

Disgusting behavior on Hillary's part if you ask me.

I can understand giving a cheating spouse one get-out-of-the-doghouse-free card the first time they cheat, with the understanding that if it happens again, it will be D-I-V-O-R-C-E time. That Yale law degree was made for walkin' - she was pulling in more income than Bill did in Arkansas and could have had a great career on her own. And probably found a husband who was secure enough to honor their wedding vows.

Maybe that's small minded of me, but I would be nasty.

who owed you something -- like loyalty.

She, on the other hand, is someone you likely don't even know.

I think you are seeing what isn't there. The OP is about Monica and the poster responded to that.

with intent. She went to give a President a bj and bragged to her friends that she would.

most powerful man in the world and she was an intern. I do remember everyone losing their shit when that Tom Foley guy was having sex with interns. Remember him? The rep from Texas who was having sex with the boy interns? How is there a difference between that fucker and Bill Clinton?

She has a right to say what she wants. She can't get a job, she can't do shit with her life because she's Monica Lewinsky. If she was a predator that got the president, bill who never could keep it in his pants ever anyway and didn't care that it humiliated his wife and daughter, then I suppose we have to assume that the boy interns that Tom Foley had sex with were asking for it too.

He was the fucking president. He should have said no no matter what. he didn't because he never could and he still hasn't. I suppose we could say that the boy interns just 'gave it away' to Tom Foley too. Or do they get a pass because they're guys and she isn't?

Tom Foley was speaker of the house. He was also the first sitting speaker lose a re-election campaign since the 1860s.

the rampant grotesque hypocritical crap sexism that appears in any op about Lewinski is sickening.

fuck billy boy.

he should have behaved himself as well - it isn't sexism-

What part of he was 30 years her senior and her boss is so difficult to understand?

she said it was a mutual affair -

whatever she said. And it has nothing to do with her willingness. Again, he was HER BOSS, the most powerful man in the world and 30 years older- not to mention married.

Who had the greater responsibility to ensure that they didn't become sexually involved?

that it was no accident - youre trying to drag this off into something I didn't say and start some sexism argument over greater responsibility. have a nice day

to decide the boundaries of this discussion.

You said a lot more than that it was no accident. You made sexist comments about her.

bye bye

If she were older maybe she would have handled it differently. Who knows.

You are saying that President Clinton was tricked? Where is your link proving Monica was paid to get the president in a compromising position. If someone were to pay I can't imagine they would have picked Monica.

Obviously can't back it up. And you get angry with me? How does that happen?

Absolute epistemological closure is just a click away.

I still don't think my reply justified an ignore. I guess some just don't want to prove their opinions.

Or conspiracy theories?

Seriously? I don't have any problem with what people do in their personal lives, but the moment she got on her knees and sucked off the President of the United States, I'd say her "reputation and dignity" were sealed in fate. You didn't just make a mistake, you blew the president, and now you're famous for it! That's your legacy, baby. Maybe you should have just gotten a tattoo instead, or something. Cry me a river...that blow job will be your retirement fund and you know it.

and that was to have sex w/her boss .... aka teachers in high school and college ..... she was
hardly a 22 year old kid who made a mistake. Bill Clinton should have known better because he
knew the GOP and the right wing were hunting for him.

But when a cute 22 year girl has your dick in her mouth, saying "Don't...stop...don't...stop" can be difficult, even for the leader of the free world. Just sayin'. They both made their choices.

entering her mouth? incredible. She was 22. He was in his forties. He was her boss and the most powerful man in the world. He was married. It was FAR MORE his responsibility to not have sex with him than hers.

It's rules are that, however young and Powerless the female is, she is the one SHAMED

and called ugly names like "Whore", while HE, a married, powerful male about Thirty

years her senior, is just having a "boys will be boys" episode which will, at worst, be

'forgiven' with no more than a wink and a smile, and at best, actually INCREASE his status

rather than "shame", or degrade him as it does her.

It's all SO wonderfully fair.



"Pity the tender sex for they must deal with Men who are at once their

Seducers and their Judges" Thomas Paine.

Whatever the reason, she didn't deserve all the shit that's been thrown at her..She was only

22. I'd say that after almost 20 years, she should probably be "forgiven" He certainly

has been.

While Gingrich was out finding his third wife. When Larry Flynt started bringing down the Republicans one by one they saw the light and got off of the Clintons. Maybe this will need to restart.

She would have been better uf she would have just kept her mouth shut and made her life. But noooo. She has to go back into the public and look for pity....AGAIN! I have no sympathy for her. She did what thousands if not millions of women do in the workplace all the time. Problem is she got caught!

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and I see no reason why, after 20 years -- a time of great success and acceptance for Bill Clinton -- she would still need to "keep her mouth shut"

I mean why not just give her a Scarlet Letter and forget about it? Her emergence into public life after 2 decades, is not, as you charge, to look for "pity", it's to speak out against public shaming and cyber bullying, a subject she obviously knows something about.

If she didn't, Carville and the other Clinton enablers would still be calling her a wacko and a liar today.

Clinton was an ass bandit and everybody knows that. Totally on him, what happened. This business of men being the victims of their powerful sex drives is a crock.

Men jerk off all the time, so be it. But not that many, relatively speaking, get in such positions of power where 22 year old women are falling on their knees just to felate them. I'm not saying Bill (or Monica) couldn't have or shouldn't have made better choices. But they BOTH made choices. Once again, I don't see anything anywhere where it says Bill Clinton forced himself on Monica Lewinsky. They both were will partners, but now she's playing the whining victim. I call bullshit. You're perpetuating the "victimhood" status by saying women are apparently unable to guide their own destiny. Monica knew what -- and whom -- she was doing.

I'm not passing any judgement at all. It's not like she accidentally blew the guy, or that his unit just accidentally fell into her mouth. I'm simply stating that they both knew what they were doing, and I don't care for the "woe is me, I'm a poor innocent victim!" act. She knew what she was doing, and now she's famous for it. Oh well.

responsibility for his actions. You said jackfuckingshit about his responsibilities- which damn well were greater than his.

cute backtrack though.

the sexism over this is vile putrid. makes me sick. defend the most powerful man in the world. condemn the 22 year old as a slut.

gross.

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Now, I don't doubt that Bill and Hillary love each other and have "an arrangement"
as per the marriage and Bill's actions might have well ended up in a divorce court
but not in front of the SCOTUS and congress but Bill should have found "his loving" some-
place else. I have also wondered if Monica was not placed into the White House in
order to get to President Clinton.

Again, as I stated, I make no apologies for Bill Clinton. Pretty damned stupid and reckless. But there does come a point where it is pretty difficult to say "STOP!" to a 22 year old girl sucking your dick. It never should have gotten that far in the first place, to be sure. It does make one wonder how on earth "that woman" got there in the first place. Who does that? Who would even think "Hey, I'm going to blow the President!" And then they spent $77 million dollars "investigating" it. Yeah, right.

Just as Bill wasn't Monica's first older guy in a position of authority, Monica was far from the first other woman for Bill. Hillary wouldn't divorce Bill if he was caught at a college sorority orgy.

The truth is that this arrangement would have worked out fine for both of them if the GOP hadn't made a stink about it. Hillary wouldn't have done anything, and Monica would have remained gossip to this day. Which would have pleased all parties.

It's typical "boys will be boys" think -- Yeah, she must have FORCED that dick in his mouth, right?


While you SNEER with contempt at this young woman who was, like THIRTY years his junior.

Typical slut-shaming "She's the whore" "Double Standard" mentality.

She did what she did. He did what he did. They did it together. Period.

Except one of them had quite a bit more power than the other. So, not equal.

Hmmm.

And that's probably the most disingenuous post of yours I've ever read.

I

sexist dogshit does that to me.

One of them became famous. Again, who had the power? I am absolutely NOT "slut shaming," just the opposite. I don't give the slightest little shit what two people do behind closed doors, and I don't care if it's the POTUS, or an intern, or a grandma, or two men or two women or whatever. If the two people consent, it is none of our fucking business. Bill and Hillary are still married. Apparently it concerns you more than it concerns them. Why is that?

How is that slut shaming? How does that viewpoint make me sexist?

Bill Clinton is a jerk.

I feel sorry for Monica. She was young and impressionable.
I think she really believed he loved her.

Also do you have proof that she had sex with her teachers & professors?

Slut shaming is a nasty way to defend a boss-subordinate case of abuse of power. Where I work, a few years ago the guy slated to become CEO a couple of months later was fired for having a sexual relationship with a subordinate.

Lots of people of all ages do.
Or do some still think a woman's virginity is her best quality?

would have been sexual harassment.

However, as the OP said this has nothing to do with Hillary

Where I work, a few years ago the guy slated to become CEO a few months later was fired for having a sexual relationship with a subordinate. If they'll fire the soon to be CEO, they'll sure as heck will can any other manager for it too.

I hear a story once about a guy that was set to retire in a week. He went to some company dinner event, a big thing, made an inappropriate sexual joke to the audience and was fired before he could retire.

were required to take a course and test on sexual harassment, and what it means

Why, oh why, do the Democrats want to ask feminists to vote for a sexual harasser to be the next First Spouse? Is this really the best we as a party can do?

This does have to do with Hillary. A vote for Hillary is a vote for Bill as First Gentleman.

It takes two to tango and Ms. Lewinsky wasn't pressured to do anything.

to prevent him from having affairs, he wouldn't have had to worry about the GOP.

I defended him passionately at the time, not because I thought it was okay to do what he did, but because it was being USED for political purposes and by some of the most hypocritical creeps on the planet, as Larry Flynt proved and finally shut them up.

But he made it very difficult for those of us who supported him by allowing it to happen.

It's interesting to see people here who no doubt claim to support women, trashing Monica Lewinsky, while grudgingly adding 'and Bill should have been more careful'.

I'm remembering all the other situations like this where we are told that when something like this happens, it's always the man's/boss's fault because of his position of power.

As I said, the hypocrisy of the Right on this was sickening. But hypocrisy isn't confined, we've learned, to them.

Some people have "arrangements." You're only assuming it was cheating. You're assuming Mr. Clinton did something nefarious, yet the Clinton's are still married. They're hippies from the 60's. Oh well, maybe that's just how they roll. I actually know people like this. It happens, even if it's not your cup of tea. It doesn't necessarily mean he "cheated" on Hillary just because you don't like it.

Aside from being the most powerful man on earth, Bill Clinton was tall and handsome. A young girl could be easily seduced.

that she had a pattern of having sex with her high school and college teachers? Never heard that before.

because he was an adult and married.

sP

I don't know why people don't think out consequences before they act.

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nice. The president doesn't seem to be responsible from what I read here. She was the aggressor, she was the slut, boo hoo on her. How about Bill-o keeping it in his pants, not playing on a 25 year old girl to blow him in the oval office. He's a predator who has cheated on his wife since FOREVER and she's the bad guy here. Fuck bill clinton. His wife should have beat his ass for all he has done. Jennifer Flowers onward, he is disgusting.

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I said she knew what she was doing. I never read any account of this story , except your post, wherein Ms. Lewinsky claimed the president forced himself on her.

She was in love with him. He told her he might "be alone" when he left

the White House and she was actually hoping to marry him.

Older now, I know that it could have happened, if:

a. The boss had come on to me
b. I'd been a different, more Machiavellian person, looking to use the boss for my benefit or advancement
c. I'd been some kind of political operative


Interesting: this man was her stepfather: very connected.

It may be a delusion, but if so, it's probably a fairly common delusion when it comes to affairs.

Lots of folks confuse sex with romance.