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Mattress flies from back of truck, killing Florida man
http://www.nbc-2.com/story/28528442/mattress-flies-from-back-of-truck-killing-florida-man
OVIEDO, Fla. (AP) - A central Florida man is dead after the mattress he was riding on in the back of a pickup truck sent airborne and dumped him on the road.
The Florida Highway Patrol says the accident happened Sunday afternoon as the truck traveled down a Seminole County road.
Sgt. Kim Montes says the unsecured mattress was on top of some debris the truck was carrying. It flew from the vehicle, carrying 51-year-old Paul Ginther Jr. with it. The truck was driven by 48-year-old Kenneth Connell.
liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)Florida Man forever!
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Captain Limpdick!
Warpy
(111,261 posts)Florida Man will never die.
FLPanhandle
(7,107 posts)People forget lift can make a 747 fly. Someone sitting on a mattress at low speeds will hold it down, at high speed they become passengers.
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)So close the first time I ran right over the thing. Fairly high speed freeway traffic is something you don't really want to brake and swerve in.
Since then I have learned to give ALL inadequately secured loads or homemade trailers and other road nonsense a wide berth. Really better to be IN FRONT of crap like that.
It can be fine to load stuff in a pick-up and move it on neighborhood street. But things happen fast at freeway speeds and things become wings and missiles.
Feel bad for folk. Because if you are moving heavy furniture by yourself. And you can't even afford the U-Haul you are likely in bad circumstances and also very likely exhausted physically, emotionally and every other way.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,328 posts)I used to travel I-94 south of Chicago regularly. I've dodged, among other things, kitchen chairs, a kitchen table, a camper top and a full vinyl carriage roof (shell and all)
greytdemocrat
(3,299 posts)I have seen something like this just a few weeks ago near Tampa...
treestar
(82,383 posts)but your post here made me LOL.
Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)smokey nj
(43,853 posts)Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Archae
(46,327 posts)Stupidity kills.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Archae
(46,327 posts)Like if someone is outside target shooting, and they fire a gun, and then look down the barrel to see if the gun is still loaded.
If alcohol is involved, ("Hold m'beer!" makes it even stupider.
Logical
(22,457 posts)or too chicken to do that? Only say it here because no one can call you out on it?
So your relative runs a stop sign and dies? Pretty stupid IMO, that is funny also?
Neoma
(10,039 posts)My entire family is known for dark humor. If you can't laugh at death then I'm truly sorry.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Neoma
(10,039 posts)Dark humor is used to give release to how horrible life is. If you take that ability to laugh at death away from other people you are taking away a coping strategy.
sammythecat
(3,568 posts)The comments above are not intended to give release for how horrible life is. The Monty Python skit is, and it was very funny. It wouldn't be funny if placed in the comments section of a news report of one of the many people crucified in the Middle East. Then it would be sick and cruel. Get the difference? The is a real clear difference.
I'm sure have been occasions when dark humor having to do with your own condition were entirely appropriate and helpful. But it depends on the person using the humor and when they do it. And I would guess it is possible you, or someone else, with thinner skin, in a similar situation, might NEVER appreciate dark humor about the occasion coming from me, a total stranger with zero understanding of you or your sensitivities, simply so I could demonstrate my "clever" humor to my peers on DU.
Neoma
(10,039 posts)We're also only allowed to laugh about things that happen to us personally. I see.
treestar
(82,383 posts)They are getting elderly and a couple of them have fallen a few times. And they did get hurt. Yet they start joking about it. And their canes and walkers and their joking comments about being old. They have always been people who love to laugh, and so now medical shit and old age is funny to them.
sammythecat
(3,568 posts)considering the circumstance, buy it's best not to assume everybody else's sensitivity about things like this matches your own. Black people are free to joke with each other about the n word or Jim Crow if they want, but I shouldn't be surprised if they took offense if I, a white person, did the same thing here on DU. It's all about situation and circumstance. Sometimes foul language is funny, other times highly inappropriate and offensive.
One of 3 things is happening here:
1--You really don't get why this man's tragic and bizarre death just isn't fodder for a good joke to most intelligent adults
2-- You get it but you'll argue to the death rather than just say this "humor" just isn't funny
3-- Slipping on banana peels, pies in the face, and an hour long video of guys getting hit in the nuts just puts you on the floor
Whatever the case, any further argument from me is just futile and I'm not wasting any more time. bye
treestar
(82,383 posts)How do you get to define what is and is not funny? That is different to everyone.
You are so judgmental.
sammythecat
(3,568 posts)Stick to that and you can't go wrong.
treestar
(82,383 posts)I'm a big MP fan.
Logical
(22,457 posts)if you think a man dying in an accident is funny those are a lost less tragic.
Neoma
(10,039 posts)It's where you divert the argument away from the original topic to something that is in this case more difficult to defend or more widely seen as offensive, rather than staying on topic.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Neoma
(10,039 posts)Now you're trying to drag me down in something that has nothing to do with death.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Neoma
(10,039 posts)More red-herrings.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Come on, man, you're being irrational.
Neoma
(10,039 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)Was that offensive?
You're exaggerating. It's not that dying is funny, but the way he was sitting on a mattress on a truck and it flew off. But you are attributing to other persons your false version of "all dying is funny." Like when you accused me of laughing at videos of "people being killed" generalizing from this particular way of being killed to all ways of being killed. This is a bad faith way of arguing. You're avoiding the actual issue. You could come out and say no one should ever laugh at anything related to death in any way. In which case you should object to a lot of comedy. I would think you would call for American's funniest Home Videos to go off the air. No one gets killed, but some of those people might have gotten some bruises. Getting injured is not funny. So it follows you would object to all that.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)I hope you feel better soon.
Neoma
(10,039 posts)cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)It's pretty awesome, huh?
Neoma
(10,039 posts)You just have to explain how offended you are.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Neoma
(10,039 posts)He gave me courage.
That video helped A LOT.
TexasMommaWithAHat
(3,212 posts)Boudreaux and Thibodeaux are watching the evening news when they see a report of a man threatening to jump off the roof of a tall building in New Orleans.
Boudreaux tells Thibodeaux, "Hey watch dis guy. I bet you 40 dollars he jumps off dat roof."
Thibodeaux thinks about it a little and replies, "Okay, I'll take dat bet!"
A few seconds later the man jumps to his death.
Thibodeaux pulls out his wallet, cursing, and hands Boudreaux two twenties. Boudreaux giggles and says, "Thibodeaux, I gotta told you something yeah. I already saw dat. He jumped already on da 12 o'clock news."
Thibodeaux says, "Me too I saw it on da 12 o'clock news, but I didn't think that couillon would be stupid enough to jump again!"
couillon - pronounced "coo yahn," and generally means something like "that crazy idiot"
Neoma
(10,039 posts)TexasMommaWithAHat
(3,212 posts)I guess you have to like cajun, bayou country humor, and especially Thibodeaux and Boudreaux jokes to think it's funny, and, yeah, Thibodeaux and Boudreaux jokes are frequently about ignorance. Cajuns like to make fun of themselves and their culture.
Neoma
(10,039 posts)Arsenic and Old Lace is more up my alley.
Neoma
(10,039 posts)Quite frankly I could be hospitalized on a regular basis from my bipolar. Did you ever think of shit like that? Humor heals.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Neoma
(10,039 posts)This is an ad hominem attack, your argument is deteriorating as we go. Good bye.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Neoma
(10,039 posts)Laughing at the movies The trouble with Harry or Arsenic and Old Lace is apparently something you cannot understand.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Neoma
(10,039 posts)But now that you get it. Good, now we're done.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Neoma
(10,039 posts)Which won't change no matter how much I blather on about dark humor.
You know, I read a lot of non-fiction. The stuff that is very hard to read due to its content, like Gulag and the Holocaust, Uranium, Cancer, and so on. You do have to have some sort of insensitivity about death to read shit like that and not come out crying. Although I did end up crying about someone who plucked out their own eyeballs... If someone is alive and suffering I take it a lot more to heart. This guy died in a really weird way, and I took humor from that. I cannot apologize for finding humor in death.
treestar
(82,383 posts)the surgeons would make a lot of dark humor jokes. To survive mentally as a doctor, there is some dark humor in real life too.
Neoma
(10,039 posts)I have back-up plans in case I cannot stand the med field (Microbiologist?) but that's my main goal if I can withstand the med field. Specifically I want to be a pediatric neurologist. Taking away my dark humor would just be a bad idea.
sammythecat
(3,568 posts)You're laughing at tragedy. Huge difference. One can be an heroic act of defiance, the other is just disgusting.
Neoma
(10,039 posts)Categorizing them differently is offensive. All death is a tragedy.
sammythecat
(3,568 posts)Death and tragedy are not the same thing. They CAN be in certain circumstances obviously, but there's a reason they are two distinct words.
BTW, you know this. Now you're just arguing to defend yourself and there will be no end to it, will there?
Neoma
(10,039 posts)I saw someone else's point of view and I ended up agreeing with it. I am laughing at the way he died, not his actual death. Ta-Da!
Neoma
(10,039 posts)to get through my life without jumping off a bridge. Because tragedy has occurred in my life that often.
sammythecat
(3,568 posts)but not mine or anyone else's.
Neoma
(10,039 posts)You can laugh at what you want to laugh about and you can choose not to laugh about the things you choose not to laugh about. Don't tell me what I can or cannot laugh about and I won't tell you what you can or cannot laugh about.
Otherwise, YOU CANNOT LAUGH ABOUT THE MARX BROTHERS! I just declared!
treestar
(82,383 posts)But at the way it happened. Had he not died or even been injured, it would be hilarious.
And then there is the running "Florida Man" joke. Surprised people aren't getting mad at that as a bigoted generalization. There are lots of smart men in Florida!
Neoma
(10,039 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)sammythecat
(3,568 posts)Are you indeed responding to me? Please read again. I think we're on the same side on this issue. Unless I'm reading you wrong.
treestar
(82,383 posts)What if a healthy twenty year old falls down the steps?
You must have been outraged at this:
Sorry about my heartlessness - I can only be remotely excused for being a middle aged woman myself.
You know, I bet every one of them laughs now.
Don't excuse yourself on the ground they didn't die - they are old enough to have at least some bruises from that stuff. You must condemn that video and refuse to laugh.
treestar
(82,383 posts)But many years down the road, it might be. Old Paul, he sure was a character!
sammythecat
(3,568 posts)no, it's never going to be funny to them like it is to you, and I'm pretty sure they wouldn't care to have you cheer them up with you hilarious sense of humor.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Or agree to disagree.
Nowadays funerals look at people's lives, and the eulogy is about how they were. Maybe good old Paul was a crazy-fun guy. He certainly was adventurous.
Or maybe there is some element of our not minding about the people we don't know. We don't know he or his family and so can focus on the crazy way he died. But mostly, I think people will look back fondly after the first shock is off and talk about the things they did throughout their lives.
Logical
(22,457 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)It must be hard. And you ignored my points completely.
You've never laughed at anything in spite of yourself?
It's starting to sound rather prim. Like "I never do wrong things like that" and enjoy berating people who are not perfect.
sammythecat
(3,568 posts)comments trying to elicit humor at the expense of someone else. I'm condemnatory of indefensible thoughtlessness regarding others. And your last two sentences are simply ignorant conjecture in a desperate attempt to save face. This is easy. Sorry, but it is.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Have you never laughed in spite of yourself?
sammythecat
(3,568 posts)You're not even defending yourself. I mean, if I say you're still sounding sort of stupid would that trump you calling me prim? Or is your insult better than mine and therefore you win?
treestar
(82,383 posts)and get frustrated that is does not work.
I'm starting to think there is nothing you can ever laugh at.
sammythecat
(3,568 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)I don't mean it to be heartless, but sometimes even death can happen in a way that just makes you laugh. I guess it's the same impulse that makes you laugh when you watch those American's Funniest Videos where people are falling off of trampolines and the like. Doesn't mean we don't feel bad for the people involved at the same time.
Logical
(22,457 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)From the funny videos to well, just about anything others would find funny. There's some tragedy in a lot of comedy. Avoid those sick comedy channels.
Logical
(22,457 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)Paul being killed is not funny.
But the way he "became a passenger" of the flying mattress is. We can separate that from his death. Suppose it would have not been funny had he survived it somehow without a scratch?
I would think you'd find the whole "Florida Man" thing offensive, too. A lot of those involve mishaps, sometimes including death.
Logical
(22,457 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)and you are not answering any of my questions. It seems you enjoy finding someone you can find "bad" and then gloating about how proper and pure you are.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)No wealthy Banker will die like that, which doesn't mean they are not stupid. It just means they can afford better transportation.
RIP to someone who most likely left behind a family who will miss him!
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)As you said, this might have been related to poverty. At the very least, his family has suffered a tragic loss. Laughing about it just makes people look like assholes.
treestar
(82,383 posts)and the cab has passenger seats in most of those. Likely illegal, and he could have gotten a ticket had he lived through it.
Anyone can die in a freak accident, even bankster corporatist Third Wayer.
treestar
(82,383 posts)He might have reproduced!
Thus making more Florida Man's.!
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,182 posts)Some of his recent adventures:
California Man Loses $1 Million Powerball Ticket, Can't Claim Prize
Naked California Man dives into minivan's window
Police hunt for California Man who used fake $100 bill to buy Girl Scout cookies
California Man assaulted brother over cat care
California Man calls police on self after attempted robbery
California Man says he's a werewolf, pleads insanity in shooting death of neighbor, a suspected vampire
California Man arrested after suitcase of body parts found
California Man whose 'penis split in two and eroded' sues his insurance company
California Man steals hearse with casket inside
California Man Dressed As Santa Claus Robs Bank
California Man charged with smuggling endangered fish
California Man sent to federal prison for turtle smuggling
Pirate ship for sale on Craigslist by California Man
California Man Robs Gas Station Only to Return and Apologise
California Man Steals And Then Crashes Ambulance That Came To Save Him
California Man Treated for 'Google Glass Addiction'
LAX-Bound Plane Forced To Land Early Due To Frenzied, Masturbating California Man
https://twitter.com/calimantales
underpants
(182,803 posts)What are the odds that a Werewolf lives next door to a Vampire?
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,182 posts)But the vampires have to sparkle, don't forget.
underpants
(182,803 posts)Yeah. There.
Thanks
onethatcares
(16,168 posts)how many Florida Mans are into frenzied masturbation?
steve2470
(37,457 posts)2naSalit
(86,612 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)But I'm sure Delaware Man is out there.
oh wait:
https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=%22Delaware+Man%22&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
Delaware Man Busted for Dealing Crack: Police -
Delaware man sues after awaking from colonoscopy in pink women's underwear
Police: Delaware man, 18, leads trooper on chase
Police: Delaware Man Charged With 3rd DUI After Crashing (into police cruiser)...
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)And ideas are mattress proof.
underpants
(182,803 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)What an awful way to go. He probably just thought he could hold it down with his weight, and I don't think that's something over which to ridicule him.
People make mistakes. Sometimes those mistakes are fatal.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)dumbcat
(2,120 posts)We often wish for mistakes to be learning experiences only. But in the real world mistakes often have tragic consequences. One can only hope to observe and learn, and not do.
Logical
(22,457 posts)BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)indie9197
(509 posts)there is a very anti-south bias to DU. Unfortunately, the Democratic party will never regain control without Southern support.
anotojefiremnesuka
(198 posts)first hand experience and all that as for his thread there is no bashing
California got made fun of too.
One thing I never seen happen in the North is someone saying 'Here Hold My Beer" as they proceed to do something stupid. That is a Southern Exclusive!
If the southerners can or want to make fun of the North, go right ahead but it will be difficult finding material IMHO.
appalachiablue
(41,132 posts)It's tragic not something to ridicule, and people make mistakes as you say.
Cha
(297,233 posts)RIP 51-year-old Paul Ginther Jr
I wouldn't have thought a mattress could go flying out of the back of a truck with someone's weight holding it down.
antigone382
(3,682 posts)The guy made a dumb mistake. He doesn't get to unmake it. It wasn't the sum total of who he was as a person. Turning his death into a public joke just makes it that much more painful for his friends and family members.
I speak as someone who has seen my friends' lives and memories reduced in the public media to their final mistakes (never in such a noteworthy fashion, but still). It's awful.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)As for the rest of this thread? "ick"
sibelian
(7,804 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)frogmarch
(12,153 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)appalachiablue
(41,132 posts)flvegan
(64,408 posts)Laughing in this instance is for the weak-minded and feckless morons of the...world.
Thank you for saying it.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service
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Florida man is dead
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026392094
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ALERTER'S COMMENTS
This whole thread is gravedancing over the unfortunate, last deadly mistake of a nobody. DU is a popular website that shows up prominently in google searches, and it isn't out of the realm of possibility that his friends and loved ones might see this thread full of strangers laughing at him. It's in extremely bad taste and undermines what DU is about.
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Logical
(22,457 posts)Kaleva
(36,301 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)I didn't catch that.
FSogol
(45,485 posts)They are just playing a big game of "I'm more liberal than you" and their pretend concern for the deceased is just part of the act.
Kaleva
(36,301 posts)flvegan
(64,408 posts)A "nobody" alerter? Stand up and be counted on this claim.
Alerter is less than that. Go fuck yourself for saying that.
Go ahead, alert here too.
malaise
(268,998 posts)Guess he thought he was holding it down.
edgineered
(2,101 posts)He's going to regret having a longer drive to the auto salvage yards (everyone calls them junk yards; the term auto salvage yard is needed for those here who don't know what junk yards are).
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Blue Owl
(50,374 posts)n/t
kydo
(2,679 posts)Maybe not today, and maybe not even next week but he will rise again.
The real question is are the chickens ok? Oviedoians don't like it too much when you harass their chickens.
NickB79
(19,243 posts)How does a person make it through life that long, with the mentality of a 10-yr old boy?
treestar
(82,383 posts)Rather a bad idea overall.
booley
(3,855 posts).. encompass both "I feel sorry for this guy and his family" and "this guy was really stupid"
demwing
(16,916 posts)Empathy for idiots
Corey_Baker08
(2,157 posts)I see no where that indicates he was 'mattress surfing'...