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HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 07:04 PM Mar 2015

"Driving children around is statistically more dangerous than letting them roam freely."

The Case for Free-Range Parenting
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/03/20/opinion/the-case-for-free-range-parenting.html?referrer&_r=0

"...

Such narrowing of the child’s world has happened across the developed world. But Germany is generally much more accepting of letting children take some risks. To this German parent, it seems that America’s middle class has taken overprotective parenting to a new level, with the government acting as a super nanny.

...

Today’s parents enjoyed a completely different American childhood. Recently, researchers at the University of Virginia conducted interviews with 100 parents. “Nearly all respondents remember childhoods of nearly unlimited freedom, when they could ride bicycles and wander through woods, streets, parks, unmonitored by their parents,” writes Jeffrey Dill, one of the researchers.

But when it comes to their own children, the same respondents were terrified by the idea of giving them only a fraction of the freedom they once enjoyed. Many cited fear of abduction, even though crime rates have declined significantly. The most recent in-depth study found that, in 1999, only 115 children nationwide were victims of a “stereotypical kidnapping” by a stranger; the overwhelming majority were abducted by a family member. That same year, 2,931 children under 15 died as passengers in car accidents. Driving children around is statistically more dangerous than letting them roam freely.

...

“We are depriving them of opportunities to learn how to take control of their own lives,” writes Peter Gray, a research professor at Boston College. He argues that this increases “the chance that they will suffer from anxiety, depression, and various other mental disorders,” which have gone up dramatically in recent decades. He sees risky, outside play of children among themselves without adult supervision as a way of learning to control strong emotions like anger and fear.

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Fear runs far too much of our every day lives, and as has been noted, we tend to fear the wrong things too much of the time.

Anyway, it's a fair piece.

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"Driving children around is statistically more dangerous than letting them roam freely." (Original Post) HuckleB Mar 2015 OP
Our media and marketing and politics are all about fear. NYC_SKP Mar 2015 #1
Exactly! You covered it well, and concisely! HuckleB Mar 2015 #3
We are a fearful nation, which is a sign of weakness LittleBlue Mar 2015 #10
I don't know how people do it Skittles Mar 2015 #2
The problem with this is: How many parents let their kids roam freely? Oneironaut Mar 2015 #4
If you go back in crime stats history... HuckleB Mar 2015 #5
They're probably less now, honestly. Oneironaut Mar 2015 #7
So you're just making assumptions. HuckleB Mar 2015 #8
That's exactly right. LisaL Mar 2015 #22
Having sidewalks would help a lot in this regard. Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #6
True. HuckleB Mar 2015 #9
Narrower streets would also help Ron Obvious Mar 2015 #11
Too dangerous to go outside and play. Rex Mar 2015 #12
It has gotten worse since then, but it was already heading in that direction. HuckleB Mar 2015 #13
FUD works well against a consumer base. Much profit in FUD. Rex Mar 2015 #14
Heck, we're still trying to get out of the war part of it. HuckleB Mar 2015 #15
You too! Rex Mar 2015 #20
Agree. Overprotectedness of children is only one manifestation. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #16
Indeed. Though you mention of "the zombie apocalypse" did make me giggle. HuckleB Mar 2015 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author Zorra Mar 2015 #18
The people who most often harm minors are their parents. The people who most often cause them Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #19
I've never heard anyone call a rejection of a gay teen as "free range." HuckleB Mar 2015 #21
I think it depends where you live. cali Mar 2015 #23
It can play a part in things. HuckleB Mar 2015 #24
 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
10. We are a fearful nation, which is a sign of weakness
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 01:28 PM
Mar 2015

We are ruled by irrational fear. This whole "children walking is child abuse" crap is part of it.

Skittles

(153,160 posts)
2. I don't know how people do it
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 07:36 PM
Mar 2015

I had to pick up a neighbor's kids - some sort of scheduling snafu - I told them to please not talk to me while I'm driving.....I found the responsibility nerve-wracking......I did try to explain it to them when we got home but they probably thought I was nuts.

Oneironaut

(5,495 posts)
4. The problem with this is: How many parents let their kids roam freely?
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 08:25 PM
Mar 2015

If the answer is 'very little,' then there are going to be less incidents than driving. Every parent drives their kids around, and very little let their kids roam freely.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
5. If you go back in crime stats history...
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 08:27 PM
Mar 2015

... I don't think you're going to find a big increase in stranger abductions. That's also part of the puzzle. If I'm wrong, well, I'll change my tune, but I haven't seen anything that shows stranger abductions being any greater at any point in history.

Oneironaut

(5,495 posts)
7. They're probably less now, honestly.
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 09:57 PM
Mar 2015

My post was more to point out how the assumption the author makes is flawed ('driving is more dangerous than free-roaming for kids because more kids die in car accidents').

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
6. Having sidewalks would help a lot in this regard.
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 09:38 PM
Mar 2015

In many suburbs it's hard for adults to walk around safely, let alone kids. I'm not worried about stranger abductions (which is like worrying about lightning striking) but I do worry about traffic, especially when cars routinely travel at 40 mph in 25 mph limits.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
9. True.
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 01:21 PM
Mar 2015

Still, the issue doesn't disappear in neighborhoods with awesome sidewalks, either.

That doesn't mean I don't advocate for sidewalks and bike lanes everywhere!

 

Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
11. Narrower streets would also help
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 01:32 PM
Mar 2015

Our suburban streets are far too wide for their speed limits. At least, here in the west they are. People instinctively drive about as fast as conditions seemed to allow and the posted speed limit has little effect on that. It also makes these streets more dangerous to cross: you can start crossing the street when there's no traffic only to be caught in the middle by a fast car coming from around a corner.

Striping, curb-side parking slots and traffic calming would help, but many neighbourhoods seem curiously resistant. I went to our local neighbourhood meeting after a guy was killed in a local intersection and there was lots of interest expressed to do something, but it in the end, of course, nothing really got done except for some useless orange flags at intersections which don't even get used.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
12. Too dangerous to go outside and play.
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 01:37 PM
Mar 2015

The terrorists might be waiting on the playground for little Johnny. Just going outside is dangerous, could be a kidnapper or trigger happy cop close by. Playing cops and robber might be a children's game, but that child might end up with a real bullet in them.

9/11 sure did change a lot of shit in this country. We got really scared and paranoid as a nation.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
13. It has gotten worse since then, but it was already heading in that direction.
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 01:47 PM
Mar 2015

There is a whole industry that works to scare parents into buying products to keep their children safe, and it was in full swing in the '90s, already. Obviously, car seats are a worthy purchase. Toilet seat locks, not so much.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
14. FUD works well against a consumer base. Much profit in FUD.
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 01:55 PM
Mar 2015

This is one area you and I agree completely on as far as I can see. No doubt you remember being a kid and playing fort, or cops and robbers. Nothing has changed, there are no new terrorists waiting on the playground or cops or kidnappers.

We were heading in that direction, but the general FUD caused by the 2000 selection and then the double whammy of 9/11...cascaded into two wars and calling the FBI on your neighbors that just moved in.

Products sell very well if the commercial shows you what 'might happen'. Of course safety is important. However arresting parents for letting their children go outside and 'play' is a sad sign of the times.

IMO, we are still recovering from 2000-9/11 and over a decade of war.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
15. Heck, we're still trying to get out of the war part of it.
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 02:16 PM
Mar 2015

We're in for a long haul on that side of things.

And I know it's difficult emotionally. I have to fight my fears as a parent every day. Luckily, we ended up on a fantastic street in Portland, where kids abound, and the parents know each other, so the kids just head out and play unplanned, most every day, much like when I was a kid. Still, they don't bike anywhere near as far as we did to build those secret forts and the like.

Anyway, have a great weekend.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
16. Agree. Overprotectedness of children is only one manifestation.
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 02:20 PM
Mar 2015

As our society gets safer, each incident takes on greater and greater significance in the collective consciousness.

"Preparing for the zombie apocalypse" once was a joke. It is now becoming the norm. Incidents that are less frequent with each passing year are now "an epidemic".

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
17. Indeed. Though you mention of "the zombie apocalypse" did make me giggle.
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 02:28 PM
Mar 2015

Albeit nervously.

Our next door neighbor has definitive OCD, and it is getting worse the past year or two. He regularly knocks of everyone's doors to advocate that they have a very specific list of things so that we can survive after "the earthquake." The guy spent tens of thousands of dollars to support his tiny wooden garage with steel supports, so it will survive that earthquake, too. He scans his yard, inch by inch, twice a day, to make sure no weed gets a shot at life. And, yeah, it goes on and on.

Now, I'm not saying safety supplies are a bad idea, but his list is, quite frankly, one to take into armageddon.

I'm not trying to make fun of mental illness. I work hard to advocate against stigma every day. On the other hand, the fear culture has to be a trigger for many people, and I'm sure it pushes their struggles into even more difficult places.

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Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
19. The people who most often harm minors are their parents. The people who most often cause them
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 02:52 PM
Mar 2015

to be homeless are their parents. What I don't care for in parents is their tendency to throw away their gay teens, they might call that 'free range' but it is just rejecting your own and it is wrong. 'We just let them wander freely until they marry or tell us they're gay then they have to get the fuck out of this house for good.'

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
21. I've never heard anyone call a rejection of a gay teen as "free range."
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 03:07 PM
Mar 2015

I'm not really sure what to make of the rest of your post. It's very confusing.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
23. I think it depends where you live.
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 03:17 PM
Mar 2015

I felt comfortable letting my kid be a free range kid but then he grew up in northern vermont.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
24. It can play a part in things.
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 03:31 PM
Mar 2015

Still, fear keeps some parents from letting their kids venture out even in such environs as that.

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