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Former Vice President Al GoreIraq and the War on Terrorism
Commonwealth Club of California
San Francisco, California
September 23, 2002
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Nevertheless, President Bush is telling us that the most urgent requirement of the moment right now is not to redouble our efforts against Al Qaeda, not to stabilize the nation of Afghanistan after driving his host government from power, but instead to shift our focus and concentrate on immediately launching a new war against Saddam Hussein. And he is proclaiming a new, uniquely American right to pre-emptively attack whomsoever he may deem represents a potential future threat.
Moreover, he is demanding in this high political season that Congress speedily affirm that he has the necessary authority to proceed immediately against Iraq and for that matter any other nation in the region, regardless of subsequent developments or circumstances. The timing of this sudden burst of urgency to take up this cause as Americas new top priority, displacing the war against Osama Bin Laden, was explained by the White House Chief of Staff in his now well known statement that from an advertising point of view, you dont launch a new product line until after labor day.
Nevertheless, Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraqs search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power. Moreover, no international law can prevent the United States from taking actions to protect its vital interests, when it is manifestly clear that there is a choice to be made between law and survival. I believe, however, that such a choice is not presented in the case of Iraq. Indeed, should we decide to proceed, that action can be justified within the framework of international law rather than outside it. In fact, though a new UN resolution may be helpful in building international consensus, the existing resolutions from 1991 are sufficient from a legal standpoint.
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http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2004/gore/gore092302sp.html
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)All it will do is make her remember how she lost the 2008 election because she didn't agree with Gore!!
I did agree with Gore... still do.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Nothing was motivating Congress or the American people, even after the Kuwaiti ambassador's daughter testified to Congress she was a nurse at a Kuwaiti City hospital who saw the Iraqi soldiers take babies from their incubators and leave them on the cold, hard floor so they could steal the incubators for Baghdad. What got America off the snide was the threat of WMDs reaching NYC.
"If I wanted to lie, or if we wanted to lie, if we wanted to exaggerate, I wouldn't use my daughter to do so. I could easily buy other people to do it." -- Kuwait Ambassador
http://www.prwatch.org/books/tsigfy10.html
But you are absolutely correct, RobertEarl. Gore is different from others: Rather than doing more and more of the same old same old, he learned from his mistakes and would not repeat the same lunacy.
elleng
(131,031 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)From Feb. 26 USA Today:
Wesley Clark: Remember Rwanda. Arm Ukraine.
Diplomacy can't stop wars without military power.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/02/26/wesley-clark-balkans-putin-aggression-ukriane-us-role-column/23953497/
I appreciate the general for his integrity and his wisdom. Still, I have to wonder, do generals change their stripes?
elleng
(131,031 posts)'In the old days of the post-Cold War world, the U.S. learned the hard way that when we could make a difference, we should. In Rwanda, we didn't, and 800,000 died. In Bosnia, we tarried, and more than 100,000 died and 2 million were displaced before we acted. It's time to take those lessons and now act in Ukraine.
In the Balkans in 1991, we let the Europeans lead with diplomacy to halt Serb aggression disguised as ethnic conflict. Diplomacy failed. We supported the Europeans when they asked for United Nations peacekeepers, from Britain, France, Sweden and even Bangladesh. That also failed. Only when the U.S. took the lead and applied military power to reinforce diplomacy did we halt the conflict. And we did succeed in ending it with minimal expense and without losing a single soldier.
In Ukraine today, Russian-backed forces continue to reinforce and attack Ukrainian positions. . .
For diplomacy to work, the front must be stabilized. Ukraine needs the means to defend itself: anti-armor, counterfire radar, drones, night vision capabilities and secure communications. All this is readily available from the stocks of the United States, Poland and other allies. It requires no U.S. soldiers in the fight and no U.S. air power. It is not a proxy war against Russia; it is simple assistance to a fledgling democracy seeking the right to choose its own course.
The U.S. should take the lead now, as we did in the Balkans: Tell Putin he'll get some eventual phased sanctions relief if he halts aggression, pulls back and obeys international norms of behavior. The Minsk II agreement is a starting point, but Russia needs to recognize all Ukraine's borders, including Crimea. If not, the Ukrainians will receive all the arms they need to stop his aggression. This can all be couched in the normal diplomatic terms, and we can invite Germany to come along to deliver the message. In the meantime, we need to accelerate the delivery of the minimal assistance we have already promised and encourage our allies to immediately deliver anti-armor and artillery ammunition.
Some will say this won't work because Putin will simply reinforce, but there are limits to Russian power, even on its borders. After six trips to Ukraine, including meetings with the Ukrainian president and defense minister, I have come away impressed with Ukrainians' determination. They will fight hard. Meanwhile, Putin is still trying to disguise Russian aggression from his own populace. Russian losses are increasingly difficult to conceal. . .
as in the Balkans, there will be no diplomatic solution until the military "door" is closed for Russian President Vladimir Putin. And closing the door is actually simpler than many would have you believe. . .
For diplomacy to work, the front must be stabilized. Ukraine needs the means to defend itself: anti-armor, counterfire radar, drones, night vision capabilities and secure communications. All this is readily available from the stocks of the United States, Poland and other allies. It requires no U.S. soldiers in the fight and no U.S. air power. It is not a proxy war against Russia; it is simple assistance to a fledgling democracy seeking the right to choose its own course.
The U.S. should take the lead now, as we did in the Balkans: Tell Putin he'll get some eventual phased sanctions relief if he halts aggression, pulls back and obeys international norms of behavior.'
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/02/26/wesley-clark-balkans-putin-aggression-ukriane-us-role-column/23953497/
Wes Clark is a realist. FOR DIPLOMACY TO WORK, Ukraine must be able to defend itself.
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)I remember how he disliked getting involved with
the ME at all. I greed with him then.
I also heard Kerry talking about terrorism not
as a war, but as a crime. I agreed with him then too.
But, what will you, if both elections were stolen?
And most people have such short memories as
Reagan once said; and by golly, he knew that.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Worth of difference between him and W.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)...but your basic point stands. Gore was against a new war before there was one.