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Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
Mon Mar 23, 2015, 11:55 AM Mar 2015

Sometimes, the SCOTUS is worse than useless

WASHINGTON -- The Supreme Court refused Monday to hear a major challenge to Wisconsin's voter ID law, delivering a victory to Republicans who favor tougher election laws.

The decision is a setback for civil rights groups that contend the law could disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of residents who lack proper ID — particularly racial minorities, seniors, students and people with disabilities.

And it turns both sides' sights on Texas, where a similar statute is pending before a federal appeals court. Eventually, the justices are considered likely to resolve the festering issue.

New election laws in both states, along with Ohio and North Carolina, forced the high court to settle last-minute disputes before the 2014 elections. The justices generally tried not to change procedures just as voters were set to go to the polls, but they did not rule on the broader issue: what types of state restrictions are constitutional.


[link:http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/03/23/supreme-court-voter-id-wisconsin/25108917/|
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Sometimes, the SCOTUS is worse than useless (Original Post) Algernon Moncrieff Mar 2015 OP
They did rule on voter id in 2008... PoliticAverse Mar 2015 #1
Shhh, you should know facts aren't welcome in cases like this, Lurks Often Mar 2015 #6
ID requirement is unconstitutional, period NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #2
we have voter i.d. here in tennessee instituted by our republican house, senate and governor spanone Mar 2015 #3
Aren't these the same assholes who... Wounded Bear Mar 2015 #4
"Worse than useless" is a funny way to say "corrupt." n/t Orsino Mar 2015 #5
Our group had nicknames for each other, benld74 Mar 2015 #7
Prof. Hasen has some good comments Gothmog Mar 2015 #8
 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
6. Shhh, you should know facts aren't welcome in cases like this,
Mon Mar 23, 2015, 01:08 PM
Mar 2015

much less the fact that it was a 6-3 decision with one of the more liberal judges on the Court agreeing with the ruling.

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
2. ID requirement is unconstitutional, period
Mon Mar 23, 2015, 12:14 PM
Mar 2015

WE are so completely fucked over in this country, we are allowing laws that are not constitutional then arguing about how bad those laws can get, not that they are not to be allowed in the first place

Wounded Bear

(58,676 posts)
4. Aren't these the same assholes who...
Mon Mar 23, 2015, 12:18 PM
Mar 2015

a few years back were screaming about the evils of ID cards, like when the Clintons were talking about a national medical care card?

Funny how they get to be so hypocritical.

benld74

(9,908 posts)
7. Our group had nicknames for each other,
Mon Mar 23, 2015, 01:19 PM
Mar 2015

one was given the nickname of 'useless'. However SCOTUS has beaten that this time BY A LONG SHOT.

Gothmog

(145,433 posts)
8. Prof. Hasen has some good comments
Mon Mar 23, 2015, 01:38 PM
Mar 2015

I know one of the attorneys representing the good guys in the Texas voter id case which is scheduled for oral arguments on April 28. The attorneys representing Texas plaintiffs did not want the ACLU to seek cert. in the Wisconsin case. The Texas case is a stronger case. The DOJ is a party in the Texas case and there are express findings of fact as to intentional discrimination in the Texas case.

Here are Prof. Hasen's observations http://electionlawblog.org/?p=71186

This morning the Supreme Court without comment refused to take up Frank v. Walker, the Wisconsin voter id case. Taking the case to the Supreme Court divided the civil rights community. As I noted last week, those who hoped the Supreme Court would hear the case were betting that Chief Justice Roberts or Justice Kennedy were going to have the same kind of epiphany that Judge Posner of the 7th Circuit had. Judge Posner had voted to uphold Indiana’s voter id law back in the mid-2000s when it was challenged. Judge Posner saw the requirement as no big deal. But by last year, Judge Posner was writing that such laws have now been generally recognized as a means of suppressing likely Democratic votes than as a means of fraud prevention. (The evidence that such laws deter any significant amount of impersonation voter fraud is thin indeed.) But it is not clear that Kennedy and Roberts, the conservative Justices likely in the middle of the Court on this issue have had a similar religious conversion on the issue. The four liberals could have forced a hearing in this case (by voting to grant cert) but they must not have been confident of the religious conversion either. Similarly, DOJ has done very little to support this case. They are betting on Texas (and to some extent North Carolina), hoping those cases will be better vehicles for getting voter id laws struck down. But relying on Texas to ultimately help Wisconsin is risky. CIn the Texas voter id case, now pending before the 5th Circuit, we have a holding that Texas’s passage of the voter id law was the product of intentional racial discrimination. That’s a finding which should be very hard to reverse on appeal. it provides an easier constitutional path for the Supreme Court to strike down Texas’s voter id law. The upside of that would be a Supreme Court decision striking down a voter id law on constitutional grounds. The downside is that other cases, like Wisconsin, do not involve intentional discrimination and so a Texas holding might not help very much outside of Texas. It would be an outer bound of what’s allowed and forbidden.

Had the Court agreed to hear the Wisconsin case, it is possible it would have read Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act even more narrowly in cases of vote denial, as well as make bad law on the scope of the equal protection clause. In this way, the Court’s refusal to hear Wisconsin’s voter id case may be a blessing in disguise. As I’ve long argued, the best way for liberals to cut their losses is to stay out of the Supreme Court when possible. Things could have been worse if the Court took Wisconsin than if they didn’t. And if you trust Justice Ginsburg, trust her her in not voting to grant cert in this case.

I think that the Texas case is the stronger case and would be a better case to reach SCOTUS
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