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babylonsister

(171,079 posts)
Mon Mar 23, 2015, 01:50 PM Mar 2015

Ted Cruz’s Biggest Liability Is Probably His Constant Lying

Ted Cruz’s Biggest Liability Is Probably His Constant Lying
George Zornick on March 23, 2015 - 11:37 AM ET



Politicians lie. It’s almost non-controversial; elected officials are advocates who want to show themselves and their causes in the best possible light. Nobody tells the whole truth.

Senator Ted Cruz wants you to think he is different: the video he released Monday morning ahead of his presidential campaign announcement was titled “Time for truth.” Those were also the first words he spoke at Liberty University after making his official announcement.

If Cruz is different, however, it’s because of how boldly he claims things that aren’t even remotely true. His vacations from reality take on a gleeful exuberance, like a college freshman on his first trip to Daytona.

Cruz told a CPAC crowd, for example, that Democrats issued an ominous threat to the Catholic Church: “Change your religious beliefs or we'll use our power in the federal government to shut down your charities and your hospitals.” Politifact naturally deemed this “both incorrect and ridiculous.”

A quick survey of some other Cruz gems:

Cruz said ISIS is “right now crucifying Christians in Iraq, literally nailing Christians to trees.” It wasn’t, and Cruz wasn’t able to offer any evidence.

Cruz described a “strong bipartisan majority” in the House that voted to repeal Obamacare. Two Democrats joined the Republicans.

He bluntly claimed that “the jurisdictions with the strictest gun control laws, almost without exception … have the highest crime rates and the highest murder rates.” This is not true.

In recent weeks, Cruz has been using some variation of this line: “There are 110,000 agents at the IRS. We need to put a padlock on that building and take every one of those 110,000 agents and put them on our southern border.” The IRS doesn’t have 110,000 employees, let alone agents. (There are 14,000).


This may read as an oppo-dump of misstatements from a guy who’s now running for president. But anyone who has followed Cruz’s career knows it’s the tip of the iceberg—he frequently just seems to be free-associating conservative grievances with “facts” pulled from nowhere.


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Ted Cruz’s Biggest Liability Is Probably His Constant Lying (Original Post) babylonsister Mar 2015 OP
K & R. n/t FSogol Mar 2015 #1
And Alan Dershowitz and even some DU'ers think he is "Brilliant". tridim Mar 2015 #2
Dershowitz: 'Very Strong Argument That What Ted Cruz Is Doing Is Deeply Unconstitutional' babylonsister Mar 2015 #5
Nice! Hubert Flottz Mar 2015 #36
what does lying have to do with intelligence? Enrique Mar 2015 #6
It automatically disqualifies the liar as "brilliant" IMO. tridim Mar 2015 #7
i think people that call him dumb are the ones getting fooled Enrique Mar 2015 #9
Much smarter than most realize. This entire "perfect conservative" persona is a complete act and stevenleser Mar 2015 #20
Cruz is a sociopath. No one on our side is fooled or "charmed".... Hekate Mar 2015 #21
You used to have to be smart enough to tell a credible lie. Jackpine Radical Mar 2015 #12
wow, that's a sleazy smear. People were saying cruz was stupid; i reported that he ND-Dem Mar 2015 #30
The problem is, nobody seems to care about facts anymore. catbyte Mar 2015 #3
+1000 blkmusclmachine Mar 2015 #25
...and remember what Chuck Todd said about the media calling out lies cyberswede Mar 2015 #28
"Balance", bullshit. They don't want to lose their invite to DC cocktail parties. catbyte Mar 2015 #38
What Cruz is saying is truthiness which is far better than truth Fumesucker Mar 2015 #4
The people who support and would vote SamKnause Mar 2015 #8
Compulsive lying is never, ever a detriment to a Repuke. hifiguy Mar 2015 #10
And yet, despite Nixon's pathological lying, Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #15
all politicians lie, early and often. not just republicans. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #31
But not all politicians have to go on national TV Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #32
it wasn't even illegal, though. he didn't have to go on tv; it was a calculated choice. and ND-Dem Mar 2015 #34
You are hilarious! Long Drive Mar 2015 #35
as a politician, yes. he had a long career and he was very successful. and he had several ND-Dem Mar 2015 #37
Works for the Bush cartel The Wizard Mar 2015 #19
Cruz always makes me think of the class snitch-he has the same smirk on his face. hobbit709 Mar 2015 #11
K Cha Mar 2015 #13
Well, he is a Republican, after all. Sheesh! This goes without saying. Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #14
He's a simp. KentuckyWoman Mar 2015 #16
His snide arrogance far outweighs his intelligence world wide wally Mar 2015 #17
Meh, his base eats it up... Wounded Bear Mar 2015 #18
He just stole a thousand dolls from you. But before you press charges he wanted to say Snotcicles Mar 2015 #22
It's also his greatest strength. Orsino Mar 2015 #23
What is that 9th commandment of the 10th commandment...I know Ted knows it... LynneSin Mar 2015 #24
It didn't seem to hurt Mittens Kalidurga Mar 2015 #26
But his groupies don't care! madamesilverspurs Mar 2015 #27
That and just having to look at him. lonestarnot Mar 2015 #29
Lying is Cruz control for him. kairos12 Mar 2015 #33

tridim

(45,358 posts)
2. And Alan Dershowitz and even some DU'ers think he is "Brilliant".
Mon Mar 23, 2015, 01:55 PM
Mar 2015

I guess because he lies so often and with such ease?

tridim

(45,358 posts)
7. It automatically disqualifies the liar as "brilliant" IMO.
Mon Mar 23, 2015, 02:17 PM
Mar 2015

I think it speaks more about the intelligence of people who tend to be charmed by liars.

Like the guy who swears he got a great deal on his used car because the salesperson said it was a great car.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
9. i think people that call him dumb are the ones getting fooled
Mon Mar 23, 2015, 02:42 PM
Mar 2015

he's a liar, with terrible views, and a very unpleasant personality imho. But he's not dumb. Again, by saying he's not dumb I'm not endorsing him in any way. He's a very bad smart man.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
20. Much smarter than most realize. This entire "perfect conservative" persona is a complete act and
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 11:14 AM
Mar 2015

one calculated many years in advance to grab the Republican nomination.

And in this quest for the nomination, he was willing to throw everyone and everything under the bus. His own party, its elected officials, everyone and everything.

He is loyal to nothing and no one including his own personality and beliefs. His only goal is the power of the Presidency.

Hekate

(90,755 posts)
21. Cruz is a sociopath. No one on our side is fooled or "charmed"....
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 12:06 PM
Mar 2015

...except those who are fooled into thinking sociopathic liars can't be intelligent.

I just hope to gods his overweening arrogance brings him down hard.

Ted Cruz's former law professor at Harvard had interesting words for the Texas Senator on CNN's Piers Morgan Live Tuesday.

After calling his former student "among the brightest" he's every had, Dershowitz said, "I think you can make a very strong argument that what Ted Cruz is doing is deeply unconstitutional."

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2013/10/15/dershowitz-very-strong-argument-what-ted-cruz-doing-deeply-unconstitu#sthash.wKHjNc8z.dpuf

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
12. You used to have to be smart enough to tell a credible lie.
Mon Mar 23, 2015, 03:52 PM
Mar 2015

These days, though, the quality of political fabrications is deplorable.

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
30. wow, that's a sleazy smear. People were saying cruz was stupid; i reported that he
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 11:56 PM
Mar 2015

graduated from Princeton & Harvard law with honors, held a succession of high-powered jobs, and that dershowitz claimed he was one of the smartest fellows he'd known; + cruz's wife was goldman sachs and had democratic connections.

so the folks who thought cruz was dumb should probably think again.

not quite the same thing as me thinking personally that cruz is "brilliant". all I know is the facts I've read, which don't lead me to think he's stupid.

and being a liar doesn't mean one is stupid by a long shot. it often means one is smart. it also often means one is corrupt, at least by normal moral standards.

the post in question:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6406916

catbyte

(34,415 posts)
3. The problem is, nobody seems to care about facts anymore.
Mon Mar 23, 2015, 02:01 PM
Mar 2015

Bagger politicians blather bullshit lies all the time, and their minions eat it up with a spoon. It's pathetic and scary at the same time. I don't trust the M$M to call Cruz out on any of his lies.

cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
28. ...and remember what Chuck Todd said about the media calling out lies
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 11:40 PM
Mar 2015
Lewis Black asked Todd how he put up with guests who babble on with their talking points without barking at them, and Todd’s answer revealed why people don’t trust the media. The Meet The Press host said, “We all sit there, because we all know, the first time we bark is the last time that they do the show. You say something, and sometimes it is last time they will ever come on your show. There is that balance.”

http://www.politicususa.com/2014/12/28/chuck-todd-defends-challenging-republican-lies-meet-press.html


catbyte

(34,415 posts)
38. "Balance", bullshit. They don't want to lose their invite to DC cocktail parties.
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 08:25 AM
Mar 2015

It's incestuous and so very wrong.

SamKnause

(13,108 posts)
8. The people who support and would vote
Mon Mar 23, 2015, 02:19 PM
Mar 2015

for him do not care about his lies.

I am sure they are well aware of his numerous lies.

The religious fanatics and anti tax fanatics want a religious fanatic and anti tax fanatic as president.

They do not care if he lies his way into the White House.

Fanatics vote with their guts, emotions, and beliefs, not their brains.

Hopefully they are the minority rendering him unelectable.



 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
10. Compulsive lying is never, ever a detriment to a Repuke.
Mon Mar 23, 2015, 02:58 PM
Mar 2015

Hasn't been since Nixon, whom Harry Truman once famously described as follows:

“Richard Nixon is a no good, lying bastard. He can lie out of both sides of his mouth at the same time, and if he ever caught himself telling the truth, he'd lie just to keep his hand in. ”


― Harry S. Truman

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
15. And yet, despite Nixon's pathological lying,
Mon Mar 23, 2015, 09:53 PM
Mar 2015

all he had to do was give his "Checkers" speech and all was forgiven for the next 20 years or so.

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
34. it wasn't even illegal, though. he didn't have to go on tv; it was a calculated choice. and
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 12:45 AM
Mar 2015

it worked.

After his successful 1950 Senate campaign, Nixon's backers continued to raise money to finance his political activities. These contributions went to reimburse him for travel costs, postage for political mailings which he did not have franked, and similar expenses. Such a fund was not illegal at the time, but as Nixon had made a point of attacking government corruption, it exposed him to charges he might be giving special favors to the contributors.

Nixon then called for Stevenson to give a full accounting of his own fund, and a full list of the donors. He also called for Senator Sparkman, who, as Nixon repeated, had put his wife on the payroll, to state fully any outside income he might have had.

"Because, folks, remember, a man that's to be President of the United States, a man that's to be Vice President of the United States must have the confidence of all the people. And that's why I'm doing what I'm doing, and that's why I suggest that Mr. Stevenson and Mr. Sparkman since they are under attack should do what I am doing."[47]

As the senator made this point, Eisenhower, sitting in the Cleveland office, slammed his pencil down, realizing that he would not be allowed to be the only major party candidate whose finances would evade scrutiny. Eisenhower had benefited from a favorable Act of Congress allowing the income from his bestselling memoirs to be considered capital gains.[54]

Nixon warned that other smears would be made against him, and many of the same commentators who were attacking him now had also attacked him for his role in the Alger Hiss case, for which he made no apologies....With less than three minutes left in the allotted time, Nixon finally addressed the question: Would he stay or would he go? He indicated that he did not think he should go. "Let me say this: I don't believe that I ought to quit because I'm not a quitter. And, incidentally, Pat's not a quitter. After all, her name was Patricia Ryan and she was born on St. Patrick's Day, and you know the Irish never quit....[47]

I am submitting to the Republican National Committee tonight through this television broadcast the decision which it is theirs to make. Let them decide whether my position on the ticket will help or hurt. And I am going to ask you to help them decide. Wire and write the Republican National Committee whether you think I should stay on or whether I should get off. And whatever their decision is, I will abide by it.

But just let me say this last word. Regardless of what happens I'm going to continue this fight. I'm going to campaign up and down America until we drive the crooks and the Communists and those that defend them out of Washington."[47]

Advancing towards the camera, the candidate completed the speech by praising Eisenhower, "He's a great man. And a vote for Eisenhower is a vote for what's good for America."



The speech was very successful. Eisenhower didn't want him but was forced to take him because of the public response.

Nixon was a great politician. People forget that because things ended badly for him, but he was very good at what he did.

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
37. as a politician, yes. he had a long career and he was very successful. and he had several
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 01:45 AM
Mar 2015

comebacks after he'd been counted out.

he had very good political instincts, as in the case under discussion. and anyone who'd actually looked into it would have to agree. the checkers speech was a comeback, not a failure.

btw, you're pretty 'hilarious' yourself.

The Wizard

(12,546 posts)
19. Works for the Bush cartel
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 11:14 AM
Mar 2015

When told Obama removed the word gullible from the dictionary with an executive order they just said it was proof that he was a communist fascist dictator who ruled with a weak iron fist.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
14. Well, he is a Republican, after all. Sheesh! This goes without saying.
Mon Mar 23, 2015, 09:53 PM
Mar 2015

Hell even Truman knew that!!

What more do you want than that?




Wounded Bear

(58,677 posts)
18. Meh, his base eats it up...
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 11:10 AM
Mar 2015

The Repub base has devolved to where they might as well be living in the pages of 1984. The only thing that matters, the only "truth" is the last thing he said.

We are at war with East Asia, we have always been at war with East Asia.

Granted, this might make a dent in the independents who have not yet decided, but they are still in somnabulist mode.

 

Snotcicles

(9,089 posts)
22. He just stole a thousand dolls from you. But before you press charges he wanted to say
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 12:16 PM
Mar 2015

" Those Liberal Bastards "

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
23. It's also his greatest strength.
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 12:20 PM
Mar 2015

His lies are highly prized by the ruling class and by the rubes.

When they bought him, they bought well.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
24. What is that 9th commandment of the 10th commandment...I know Ted knows it...
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 03:50 PM
Mar 2015

You know those 10 Commendments Ted believes as so holy that they should be the cornerstone of the US Constititution. I can't imagine Teddy boy disobeying that good old #9 EVERY.

I know it's somewhere around Exodus 20:16

Oh that's right

THOU SHALL NOT LIE!!!!!




Seriously these people call themselves 'Christians' and they are nothing but FUCKING HYPOCRITIES

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
26. It didn't seem to hurt Mittens
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 10:53 PM
Mar 2015

in fact it seemed like the bigger the lie the more his base defended him.

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