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sheshe2

(83,833 posts)
Mon Mar 23, 2015, 07:11 PM Mar 2015

#RaceTogether and the Harm of Racial Ignorance

Many questions immediately spring to mind: What civil rights groups, anti-racist organizations or diversity experts did Starbucks consult in crafting #RaceTogether? Why is Starbucks' leadership team lacking in gender and racial diversity? One can easily imagine that both white and non-white people might feel racially profiled when receiving a cup with the dreaded hashtag. Did the company provide employees with guidelines for how to select customers to "join" in the conversation? There is also the issue of consent. What about those of us who have no desire to be asked about a painful topic by a perfect stranger? Are people of color now going to have to wear t-shirts to Starbucks that say: "Please don't ask me about race and don't touch my hair"? What happens when conflict arises, as it inevitably will in any public discussion of race? Will Starbucks provide therapy for employees and customers who feel traumatized by the racist ideas they are sure to hear in their stores? On social media, the #RaceTogether hashtag has already been hijacked by racists. What does Starbucks have to say about that?

When asked on Twitter whether Starbucks employees received diversity training before being asked to start conversations about race with customers, the company replied: "We don't presume to educate communities on race, only to encourage an open dialogue." The trouble with this, however, is that it is socially irresponsible for a company to subject employees and customers to no-holds barred discussions of race. While Starbucks suggests that "talking about race" is "worth a little discomfort", the company has a responsibility to consider what it can and should do to take into account the perspectives of people who actually have to deal with racism and don't have the option of treating it as an optional topic of discourse in the coffee line.

One of the reasons why it is so difficult to have public conversations about race is the fact that very few people have actually studied race seriously, either on their own or within an educational setting. Starbucks is actually contributing to the misconception that "race" is something that doesn't require education to discuss. The truth is that many people have never taken a class on the subject, attended an anti-racist workshop or even read a book about the history of racism. Conversations based on racial ignorance are actually quite harmful and have the potential to alienate people who have experienced racism or lost loved ones to racial violence. As an anti-racist educator, occasional coffee drinker and woman of color, I do not want to hear random members of the public who have not studied race share their uninformed opinions with or around me in the early morning hours.

Research on racial attitudes has demonstrated that there are wide swaths of the majority population who believe that talking about race at all is racist, that critiquing white people individually or collectively is inherently hateful and that racism is over (if it ever existed in the first place). Such ideas minimize or outright deny the existence of racial inequality and white supremacy in our society today. As philosopher Charles Mills explains, these forms of denial produce an "epistemology of ignorance"--a way of knowing and constructing the world built on a lack of knowledge about the social and political realities of race.


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#RaceTogether and the Harm of Racial Ignorance (Original Post) sheshe2 Mar 2015 OP
LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #1
For real. bravenak Mar 2015 #3
Yep ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #5
One fewer anyway gollygee Mar 2015 #10
I swear I have been called racist more on DU that I have ever heard people be called that in my life bravenak Mar 2015 #12
A Black Signal is sent out from the roof of ProgressiveLiberalville. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #15
BlackSignal! bravenak Mar 2015 #16
Or perhaps ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #22
TBH, I wish they'd just Skip Intro that feature. bravenak Mar 2015 #23
Especially if you haven't had your first cup, I would imagine. sheshe2 Mar 2015 #9
Thank you! bravenak Mar 2015 #11
You are welcome.... sheshe2 Mar 2015 #13
I use those single coffee bags that look likr tea bags. bravenak Mar 2015 #14
Yep-the flavor of that coffee is what those sexist toads in the old commercials were crabbing about! MADem Mar 2015 #17
Lol~ sheshe2 Mar 2015 #18
Hee hee! In recent years, the only thing I've bought at Mickey Dee's is coffee. MADem Mar 2015 #19
I never buy coffee out. sheshe2 Mar 2015 #20
Workcenters are getting much nicer these days! MADem Mar 2015 #21
I just choked on my wine. sheshe2 Mar 2015 #4
+1 (nt) Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #8
I don't understand, if they wanted to do antiracism work . . . gollygee Mar 2015 #2
A PR stunt XemaSab Mar 2015 #7
Was Starbucks proposing to raise the baristas' salaries to reflect their new dual roles? Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #6
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
1. LOL ...
Mon Mar 23, 2015, 07:23 PM
Mar 2015
As an anti-racist educator, occasional coffee drinker and woman of color, I do not want to hear random members of the public who have not studied race share their uninformed opinions with or around me in the early morning hours.


Then, Crystal might wish to avoid DU.
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
5. Yep ...
Mon Mar 23, 2015, 07:32 PM
Mar 2015
Research on racial attitudes has demonstrated that there are wide swaths of the majority population who believe that talking about race at all is racist, that critiquing white people individually or collectively is inherently hateful and that racism is over (if it ever existed in the first place). Such ideas minimize or outright deny the existence of racial inequality and white supremacy in our society today. As philosopher Charles Mills explains, these forms of denial produce an "epistemology of ignorance"--a way of knowing and constructing the world built on a lack of knowledge about the social and political realities of race.


Nailed the voice of too many DUers that MUST be heard in EVERY thread discussing race.
 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
12. I swear I have been called racist more on DU that I have ever heard people be called that in my life
Mon Mar 23, 2015, 07:40 PM
Mar 2015

I think they still think the one who smelt it dealt it.
I wonder how they know a thread has been posted? A signal flare? Secret fight club?
 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
14. I use those single coffee bags that look likr tea bags.
Mon Mar 23, 2015, 07:44 PM
Mar 2015

I like those, they seem perfect to me. And I might be cheap.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
17. Yep-the flavor of that coffee is what those sexist toads in the old commercials were crabbing about!
Mon Mar 23, 2015, 08:38 PM
Mar 2015


Starbucks must have consulted these "housewives" in coming up with their blend!!


sheshe2

(83,833 posts)
18. Lol~
Mon Mar 23, 2015, 08:54 PM
Mar 2015
Yep-the flavor of that coffee is what those sexist toads in the old commercials were crabbing about!


I would have told them to make their own dayum coffee.

Burned Beans — The Shame of Starbucks

http://worldofcaffeine.com/2011/03/09/burned-beans-the-shame-of-starbucks/

Coffee is generally either medium roasted, dark roasted, or burned. (“Light roast” properly refers to a special German and Viennese roast that has little currency.) When coffee beans are medium roasted, the full range of their abundant and satisfying flavors is brought out. When coffee beans are dark roasted, they lose much of their subtle flavor but attain a deep richness that some enjoy, for example, in espresso. When coffee beans are burned, their refined flavor is destroyed. What remains is bitter and unpleasant.

Most fine coffee beans should be medium roasted. Junk beans are often burned, because, once you burn the beans, you can no longer tell what sort of quality they might have had if they had been properly roasted. The fact is, all burned beans taste the same: burned and bitter. Starbucks coffee is burned and bitter. You can tell when beans are burned because they take on a black color. We can only assume that Starbucks starts with the worst possible beans. After all, burning better beans is just a waste of money. Unfortunately, through the vagaries of marketing, not only has Starbucks become virtually omnipresent, but nearly every other coffee roaster has jumped on the burned bean band wagon. That is why, when you visit a shop selling a variety of whole coffee beans, most, if not all, of the beans have been burned black as hell.

In the ultimate coffee smackdown, it was yuppie Starbucks vs. Ronald McDonald and the Dunkin’ Kid. And the clown and the kid won!

Consumer Reports magazine said that in a test conducted at two locations of each emporium, its tasters found McDonald’s coffee to be “decent and moderately strong” with “no flaws.” On the other hand, the Starbucks brew “was strong, but burnt and bitter enough to make your eyes water instead of open.” The March, 2007 issue of the magazine, advises, “Try McDonald’s, which was cheapest and best.” Several other more recent blind taste tests have consistently rated Dunkin’ Donuts and MacDonald’s as the best tasting and Starbucks as the worst tasting coffee sampled.






Thanks for the vid, MADem~

MADem

(135,425 posts)
19. Hee hee! In recent years, the only thing I've bought at Mickey Dee's is coffee.
Mon Mar 23, 2015, 09:00 PM
Mar 2015

Last time I was there, they sold me some Paul Newman coffee and it was really, really good!

sheshe2

(83,833 posts)
20. I never buy coffee out.
Mon Mar 23, 2015, 09:13 PM
Mar 2015

We have a demo Nespresso machine at work and all the free coffee pods we want. It's a "perk" so to speak.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
21. Workcenters are getting much nicer these days!
Mon Mar 23, 2015, 09:17 PM
Mar 2015

One of my nephews did an internship for university at a bigshot company--they paid him slightly better than minimum wage, but he got all all the "snacks" and "beverages" he could stuff in his pie hole--and they had lots of good stuff. And he was eating it, too! If he hadn't been hoofing it to/from work, he would have put on a ton of weight!

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
2. I don't understand, if they wanted to do antiracism work . . .
Mon Mar 23, 2015, 07:26 PM
Mar 2015

why they didn't hire someone to help them work on it internally. Oh wait, yeah I do know. It was just a PR stunt.

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
7. A PR stunt
Mon Mar 23, 2015, 07:32 PM
Mar 2015

that was far more likely to backfire than to produce positive PR for Starbucks, much less meaningful dialogue.

A genuine effort would maybe involve providing employment opportunities in underserved communities, working with underperforming schools, diversifying the board of directors and senior management, putting thoughtful quotes on the cups from variety of perspectives, and so forth...

...but this was clearly not a genuine effort.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
6. Was Starbucks proposing to raise the baristas' salaries to reflect their new dual roles?
Mon Mar 23, 2015, 07:32 PM
Mar 2015

And isn't it a potential problem that making these employees focus part of their attention on discussing white privilege and so forth with their customers reduces their ability to focus on making the perfect grande skinny mochaccino?

I'm glad that Starbucks has dropped this idea.

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