Castro's revolution - third world socialist at the time - was only one of them. He managed to unite the field behind his efforts, but it's completely plausible to have been part of the centrist/bourgeois factions fighting Batista, and never aligning with the Castro factions. It was a far more complex situation than you're making it out to be.

...only helped the Communists under Castro.
Even if there were other factions (and there always are),
I don't believe anyone did NOT know who they were fighting for.


I'm NOT claiming one way or the other.
I have nothing but Ted's words,
and this still doesn't pass my smell test.

At the time, all the factions fighting thought they had the edge, even if they entered into uncertain alliances. The centrist factions thought they could align with Castro, then dispense with him. Castro thought the same of the bourgeois resistance to Batista. Castro turned out to be right, but to read that back into the moment is teleological and ahistorical. There was a robust bourgeois/capitalist resistance to Batista's corruption. They fought and were jailed and were killed and fled. that's the history of the matter. They aligned with (in various forms) Castro's factions. And when Batista got the boot, Castro eliminated them, too (just as they would have done to him had things been different.

To say that anyone fighting Batista knew he was essentially fighting for the Communists (nominally, Castro) is just wrong. It's simply not true. I can't believe I'm positioned as a Cruz defender here, but you just happen to be historically wrong.

aren't you the least bit interested in finding out the truth?

Wasn't Batista a US Puppet?
If fighting against Batista doesn't make his father at least a Communist Sympathizer,
wouldn't that make him Anti-US?

I guess he (or you) could claim that he was CIA,
but that is as far fetched as saying his father didn't know he was fighting for Castro against Batista.

probably a mob wannabe.

of what I've seen in this thread (and OP).

There were robust bourgeois factions across Cuba at the time. Whether Cruz's father happened to be in one never entered one of my posts. Your initial post remains historically incorrect in its insistence that anyone opposed to Batista was pro-Castro. That's patent nonsense that displays a total ignorance of the history of the civil war/rebellion in Cuba.

You obviously know almost nothing about this, so I'll leave you to it.

...not the intricacies of the Cuban Revolution.
When Cruz made the comment that his father fought against Batista,
those of us with a knowledge of History immediately made the connection.

You can throw as many word salads and red herrings as you want
but in the end , MY instincts and knowledge of Cuba were were CORRECT.

Everyone who reads this sub thread knows it.

Obviously, this has become a pride thing for you now. Have a good evening.

The OP was obviously speculation,
which turned out to be 100% true,
which has been documented in this thread.
All of your Red Herrings have been cooked and served.
The best way to redemption for you at this point would be to admit that my instincts about Cruz Daddy were 100% correct, unless your "pride" won't let you.

alcibiades_mystery has explained it well, I think you just don’t understand or aren’t trying.

The U.S. was aligned with the USSR in WWII, does that make all US citizens from that time Communists?
The number of times opposing factions joined against a common enemy throughout history would be impossible to count.

I’m not going to defend Ted Cruz for anything, he well could be lying. But he is so freakin buried in crap that it’s not necessary to stretch the truth to say something bad about him.

At least from what I know from that part of Cuba's history.

Fidel Castro fooled everyone, he even came to the USA and had TV appereances. I am not defending Cruz either, it would be difficult to prove/disprove that story about his father, the fact that the guy is a liar is not enough, but a lot of people were fooled by Castro, and the same strategy, which was masterminded by Castro was used in Venezuela with Hugo Chavez who was a Castro puppet.

If you look at Ecuador, you will find that like in Cuba as well as in Venezuela 16 years ago, the same strategy has been used to slowly set up what is called a "Silent Dictatorship".

If you want a flavour of the rhetoric read about Pablo Iglesias who is running for the presidency in Spain, he lived in Venezuela and was coached by the Chavez regime for over two years. It is the same strategy, they say what the people want to hear, they come down to the level of the lower classes, it is a populist theme which never materializes.

The Op was speculation that Cruz Daddy probably fought for Castro.
Turns our, my instincts and knowledge of Cuba turned out to be 100% correct.

If I didn't see it with my own two eyes...I would not believe it! Daddy Cruz either loved a dictator for the 1% in Cuba OR he loved communism and hated those capitalist pig dogs!

You just cannot make this kind of shit up! I cannot WAIT for Baby Cruz to be forced into a public debate WITHOUT a filter!!

Great find bvar22!!!!

Once Cuba began to destabilize, a number of factions joined into the fight hoping to direct the outcome after Batista fell. The Revolutionary Directorate was a large army of young college students who left school and formed their own anti-communist, anti-Batista army. They engaged in open combat against the Cuban government for months and seized regions of the country before eventually choosing to fight alongside the communists.

After the communists seized power, these groups engaged in a six year war against the communist government in order to overthrow it. This fight is now known as the Escambray Rebellion, or The War Against The Bandits in Cuba. The army was receiving supplies from the United States, but that support was pulled after the Bay of Pigs invasion failed...the rebels didn't last long after that. After their collapse, the Cuban government spent years hunting down and executing former RDS fighters.

Now, I have no idea if Cruz's father was in the RDS, but they are just one example of the forces fighting against Batista who were NOT pro-Castro. It's entirely possible that his story about his father is true (and his fathers age would have been consistent with the RDS fighters).

But 'didn't know he was a communist"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Cruz

Yeah, right.

Maybe his father is just stupid.

And then another speaking tour, a few years later, apologizing for the first speaking tour.

...maybe he just really really liked "rubber chicken".

I’m not sure Fidel was a committed Communist until after the revolution. Raul, Che, yes. Fidel may have been more of a Communist of convenience.

works with religions too.

I'd pay to watch.

fought for the Communists. I highly doubt that version of events.

"He remained regretful for his early support of Castro, and emphatically conveyed this remorse to his young son over the following years."

Wiki can be updated by anyone though, so who the heck knows what really happened.

That is undeniable.

Many people have "regrets" later in life,
especially when those "regrets" become convenient.
The Judges don't really care,
and neither do I.


The speculation I made in the OP
turned out to be 100% correct.
Cruz Daddy did indeed fight for Castro in the Cuban Communist Revolution.

Personally, I believe it's a "cool story, bro".

Jeezus, what a fraud.

They are making me trying to defend the Cruz Family!

Performance art!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026409813

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Sorry, I couldn't resist.

What Ted's dad did (or did not do) has nothing at all to do with lil' Ted.

but Ted made his father and family fair game during he announcement.
Still, can you imagine how the Hard Right would react to the knowledge that his father fought for the Communists with Fidel in Cuba?

with the Russian communists, so promptly left for the usa.

or something to that effect.

I appears Cruz Daddy left Cuba before Fidel won.

That is where Cruz is actually pretty smart. He knows Americans are pretty stupid, particularly his Tea Bag base. His family was a rich Cuban family who supported Batista, who benefited off of Batista's policies. So which is it, Ted? Did your family support the COMMUNISTS, or did they support the dictator Batista which made their lives very comfortable in Cuba? Which is is, Ted?

Daddy either loved a dictator for the elite OR he loved communism and hated America and western civilization!

I LOVE it!

THANKS! I will pass that around to one and all! That is about the funniest thing I've read in a long time!

I will be telling everyone I know, how Pappa Cruz fought FOR the Red Menace!

Oh I am just drinking in the irony now and it tastes wonderful!

Sounds too much like a Weasel Out.
Doesn't matter.
The Nay Sayers and subject changers in this thread are absolutely WRONG.
He fought for Castro & the Communists.
My instincts and knowledge of Cuba turned out to be 100% correct.

someone might take you seriously.

Wikipedia? You could have put that line in there yourself for all we know.

Personally I'd be thrilled if his dad fought for Castro without reserve & was proud of the service. But that doesn't seem to be the case.

I posted a speculation in the OP,
and supporting evidence has emerged,
and I'm finding more.


Now, if YOU want to make a counter-claim,
then YOU provide the evidence for YOUR claim.

you have replied to everyone in the thread with your amazing Wiki "source".

or provide evidence that my supposition is baseless or untrue.

I'll wait,
but I won't do your work for you.

and the only reason I weighed in at all is my interest in communist history. Now that we've established that you're pedaling fairy tales I've lost interest. *shrugs*

..that I'm "pedaling fairy tales".

You made the claim, now prove it.
Isn't that how YOU said DU works?
Yes?

Unless I decide to write fairy tales, in which case I will label them as such. I don't tend to confuse the two.

a duck and hide.
I'm not surprised.


Everybody must provide documentation for their claims......
except YOU.
Thats pretty funny.

There were many factions; some worked together, some worked alone.

I LOVE watching them try and find a way to defend Cruz...without being too obvious about it! I wonder if they are going to vote for Cruz as well!? Almost NONE of the posters defending the Cruz family, surprises me with their response.

All I can do is and at their attempt to hide how much they love them some Cruz!

Thanks for the thread! The apologists here have me laughing so hard, that I startled the cat!