Next up, Kiev. Then, Moscow. Least we can do.

The US spies on everybody pretty much but an American citizen or more consorts with a foreign head of state to spy on the US - Iran talks is a lot closer, I'd consider it treason generally -- depends on how laws are written I guess. Technically, Israel is a friend & Iran is the enemy but the US President is in talks to end that or talk about it so I'd call that treason.

When people affiliated with Reagan went to Iran to try to get them to keep the hostages until Reagan is inaugurated is 100% treason.

The Dems had done something like that 12 years ago? They would still be in prison.

Why in the world would you suggest otherwise? There is enough people running around with their hair on fire already.

And there was remarkably little discussion of this in the press at the time.

Unlike the fabricated Gulf of Tonkin incident.

On a ship with the worlds most sophisticated electronic monitoring equipment at the time without response to maritime SOS. One of the few times in modern history a ship was attacked with napalm, rockets, cannon fire, and torpedoes.

there'll be a shit storm to follow!

Seriously? Ok, let's make sure I understand the scandal here. The problem is not the spying. Since our defense during the Snowden document dump was that everyone does it. So we can't really complain about Israel spying on us. Especially since we found out by spying on them.

What we are complaining about is that Israel told Congress. Because Congress isn't supposed to know what the Administration is doing. Now, how the hell do we square that with the complaints of a decade ago from Democrats about how awful it was that the Republicans in Congress were not conducting oversight of the Bush Cabal? We only believe in Oversight when their guy is in the White House? Do you realize how hypocritical that makes us look? Well, others do and they aren't all that supportive of the argument. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/28/white-house-cia_n_6064114.html

In fact, it was pretty well known here that the Democrats when they took control of Congress were finally going to give the Bush Cabal the oversight they had lacked. From the old DU site by a user known as ProSense back in the day.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x692481

It wasn't just the CIA either. It was a complaint about wide ranging lack of oversight.

Hahahahahaha

All right Stinky stop that pattern stuff right now.

But the rest of us think it sux.

his efforts?
I must have missed that part. Otherwise,it is exactly the same...but different.

Democrats never took intelligence from a foreign nation. If you can't see the difference here, you are either blind or a republican apologist.

not. It is the method by which they obtained the information, namely espionage by a foreign country.

diplomacy and foreign policy?

Um, ok. Right. Whatfuckingever.

I wouldn't be surprised if they covered their butts by getting some Dems involved.

we aren't charging people guilty of high crimes

deal, I can understand trying to get information where you can. Imagine if the situation were reversed: a Republican President trying to make a secret deal and not telling the Democratic Congress a thing about it. Don't you think the Democratic leadership would be looking to get whatever information they could?

Quick quiz: it was after Lyndon Johnson and before Jimmy Carter.

Wanna buy some swamp land in Arizona?

Government documents have revealed that LBJ had almost achieved peace, but then Nixon called up some friends in State and asked them to torpedo the talks until he was elected - you know, so he'd win the election and be President instead of Hubert Humphry, the guy the Dems put up when Bobby was killed. Why? Because Nixon worshipped power above all else, even above doing the right thing for the American people.

Nice try.

It's part of what they do. It's naive to believe in the purity of motive for any political party. Mind you, I am not saying I approve of what Israeli spies and the GOP leadership did: however, realpolitik works the way it does, regardless of stated ideals.

Everybody does it! So you can't call us out!!! BS.

Treason.

But, hey, we never had any war crimes trials for Bush, Cheney and the rest of the Neocon cabal that positioned us for a never ending war that's already cost $4 trillion, either, so I don't expect much.

Still, it is treason.

Pushing the US into another war in the Middle East.
Sick fucks.

This is ... beyond any description of how bad it is.

And, if the OTHER party did this, there would be LOUD cries for people to, literally, be hung.

But, since the republicans did it ... Much ado about nothing, and some democrat did something once, so they are all the same.

There quite literally at this point is nothing they can do that they will be held accountable for, and each time they do some kind of shit and don't get held accountable for it, they go one step further.

That laws do not apply to billionaires or politicians.

Laws are only for the little people, for those above the law, we have something called looking forward that negates any law broken by the elite, effectively an indisputable get out of jail free card.

It is just a fact of life in this country now.

The rest of us on the other hand can serve time for the slightest of offenses, and often do, we have the largest percentage of a population serving time, but no justice for anyone at the top. Period. End of story.