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Eugene

(61,963 posts)
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 08:07 PM Mar 2015

Park service considers dogs to chase geese from feces-ridden National Mall

Source: Reuters

Park service considers dogs to chase geese from feces-ridden National Mall

Reuters in Washington
Tuesday 24 March 2015 20.29 GMT

The US park service is weighing using dogs to drive off Canada geese that each foul the US capital’s National Mall with up to three pounds (1.4kg) of droppings a day, the agency said on Tuesday.

The park service is considering using border collies to harass the large and growing population of Canada geese from tourist draws like the Lincoln Memorial Reflecting Pool, the Washington Monument grounds and John F Kennedy hockey fields.

With the dogs, “the geese will be encouraged to abandon the lawns and water in these areas and relocate elsewhere”, it said in a statement.

The geese, known as the Branta canadensis, produce up to two or three pounds (0.9 to 1.4kg) of feces a day per bird. The droppings damage pumps and filters of the Reflecting Pool, degrade the park and are a potential public health hazard, the park service said in a statement.

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Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/mar/24/us-park-service-geese-national-mall-feces
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Park service considers dogs to chase geese from feces-ridden National Mall (Original Post) Eugene Mar 2015 OP
My cousin owns a business called "Geese Management" that does this. whathehell Mar 2015 #1
They will need to replace the goose droppings with something more apropos to D.C., like horse shit villager Mar 2015 #2
Plenty of both on hand down there. Smarmie Doofus Mar 2015 #33
They should sell $10 permits to hunt them. Vincardog Mar 2015 #3
What happens to the shit from the dogs? NightWatcher Mar 2015 #4
It would be far easier to clean up than the massive amounts of goose poop... friendly_iconoclast Mar 2015 #5
We can hire the homeless to clean up after the dogs, pay them well. NYC_SKP Mar 2015 #7
Sounds like a plan. In_The_Wind Mar 2015 #9
I LIKE that plan. bvar22 Mar 2015 #10
Border Collies are extremely intelligent jberryhill Mar 2015 #15
Yeah, but Border Collies have standards... Fumesucker Mar 2015 #19
Mine still shit Major Nikon Mar 2015 #22
In the house? jberryhill Mar 2015 #24
If they are outside they pretty much shit when they want Major Nikon Mar 2015 #26
They must be a handful jberryhill Mar 2015 #28
They definitely need a "job" Major Nikon Mar 2015 #29
Way better than goose shit. Codeine Mar 2015 #36
The geese were here first tabasco Mar 2015 #6
Some Canadian Geese have NOT been here first. bvar22 Mar 2015 #16
Geese were in the Chesapeake Basin before we were tabasco Mar 2015 #41
They have. :) Chan790 Mar 2015 #47
In this case, they weren't. Chan790 Mar 2015 #18
I agree, the geese need to be culled. There are hundreds year round on our local lake. kwassa Mar 2015 #25
Yum. bvar22 Mar 2015 #43
You could catch one here every day. Not just for Christmas anymore. kwassa Mar 2015 #44
Geese were in the Chesapeake Basin before humans tabasco Mar 2015 #42
With Old Bay seasoning. That's how we deal. kwassa Mar 2015 #45
Well...where else would ya keep them, for crying out loud? A HERETIC I AM Mar 2015 #8
I've got no problem with this. hunter Mar 2015 #11
My company has dog walkers JustAnotherGen Mar 2015 #12
This is a very common proactice around here IDemo Mar 2015 #13
WHY CAN'T CANADA CONTROL THEIR FREAKING GEESE Skittles Mar 2015 #14
Can't trust those Canadians. bvar22 Mar 2015 #17
They have wings like cantaloupes Fumesucker Mar 2015 #21
I once had a girlfriend who worked at the Wal-Mart. bvar22 Mar 2015 #23
Take off Hosers, eh.. Fumesucker Mar 2015 #20
It's payback... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2015 #35
They should do something about the rats while they are at it. Glimmer of Hope Mar 2015 #27
Feces is life, in a natural environment bhikkhu Mar 2015 #30
Clearly this is the first volley in the Canadian-American Wildlife Pooping Wars! Rex Mar 2015 #31
We live in a Twin Cities suburb and the Jenoch Mar 2015 #32
Talk about a job done right... Blue Owl Mar 2015 #34
Ha! This article, posted on a local Fox affiliate, prompted me to post this >>>> Roland99 Mar 2015 #37
My border collie had ZERO interest in the Canada geese on my lawn. grasswire Mar 2015 #38
GOD, I hate geese. Marr Mar 2015 #39
Get rid of the Tim Hortons and they'll leave... Inkfreak Mar 2015 #40
Border Collies would be ideal -- and they'd have a ball Hekate Mar 2015 #46

whathehell

(29,095 posts)
1. My cousin owns a business called "Geese Management" that does this.
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 08:12 PM
Mar 2015

He is in the Philadelphia suburbs.

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
2. They will need to replace the goose droppings with something more apropos to D.C., like horse shit
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 08:12 PM
Mar 2015

...or bullshit.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
7. We can hire the homeless to clean up after the dogs, pay them well.
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 08:24 PM
Mar 2015

And then we can conscript white collar convicts and banksters to clean up after the homeless, use their confiscated wealth to take care of the homeless, and the dogs, and the birds.

Right?

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
10. I LIKE that plan.
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 08:49 PM
Mar 2015

For labor, I was going to use any Cop who kills an unarmed "suspect" to pick up the geese shit with their hands for a year.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
24. In the house?
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 09:50 PM
Mar 2015

Do border collies shit when they are working? I've never seen them rounding up sheep and having one suddenly say "Hamg on a sec, gang, I gotta take a dump."

I don't think the idea is to have them running at large through the parks all day long.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
26. If they are outside they pretty much shit when they want
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 09:55 PM
Mar 2015

I "work" mine by playing fetch with them. They will take a time out to shit when they want. I've never trained mine to shit on command, but that's not to say it couldn't be done.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
29. They definitely need a "job"
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 10:00 PM
Mar 2015

In my case their job is to chase a ball. Actually one chases the ball and the other runs rings around the ball fetcher. Once or twice a day of this and they are calm once indoors.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
36. Way better than goose shit.
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 10:56 PM
Mar 2015

Our local park has a ton of problems with goose poo. My kids have both done some slipping and sliding in it. Nasty.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
16. Some Canadian Geese have NOT been here first.
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 09:12 PM
Mar 2015

Due to Human habitation, the cities provide plenty of food, shelter, and unfrozen water.
These geese have become non-migratory, and a huge problem.

I lived in Minneapolis/St Paul on the Mississippi River for a few years.
The "discharges" into the Mississippi River kept thawed pools so the geese had open, warm water, and thousands have decided to NOT migrate South during Winter anymore, but decided to stay at home in the hot tubs and scrounge Winter food from the town, which is plentiful.

They are called Resident Geese as opposed to Migratory Geese, and they are a big health problem along with other problems.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
47. They have. :)
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 12:33 AM
Mar 2015

When I say that resident Canadian Geese populations are not native to Maryland...you can take that as determinate fact any way it butters your rump. It's something that was affirmed repeatedly by biologists and wildlife-management professionals in public hearings with fancy 4-color-print charts, statistics, reports, photographs, water-testing results, DNA testing of waterfowl and data...oh fuck-loads of data. They were even nice enough to tell us what the origin of the problem was...as I recounted to you.

They do deal with it: concrete ponds, poison traps, egg confiscation/destruction, let them get hit by traffic on University Blvd. W...it's really better if DC would do their part too.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
18. In this case, they weren't.
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 09:15 PM
Mar 2015

Canadian Geese are not native to metro DC as a year-round roosting species, as they have become. In fact, as recently as when I was in college in the early 2000s, they weren't even common in the area. (As bvar called them, they have become resident geese)

They, along with ducks and swans, were imported to the area for "nice to look at" and "people like to watch them" value for artificial ponds (the ponds were conditions of land development approvals under "nature preservation" as the DelMarVA peninsula has few naturally-occurring ponds or lakes) in property developments. Unfortunately, DC/MD/NoVA also does not have substantial populations of their natural predators (wolves, feral dogs, coyotes, eagles, hawks, bobcats, foxes, crows, ravens, and magpies) which has caused them to become endemic. They are a cause of substantial water pollution which in parts of lower Maryland and DC has led to the widespread death of native fish, flora and fauna in the Potomac, Anacostia, Rock Creek and Sligo Creek watersheds. We're now having to build concrete ponds for the damned things because people can't stand the idea of them being killed and their feces are a nascent environmental disaster.

My only objection to this plan is that they're not exterminating the geese as an invasive destructive species. Yes, let's get them away from the reflecting pool...but let's also actively take steps to manage the waterfowl problem.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
25. I agree, the geese need to be culled. There are hundreds year round on our local lake.
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 09:52 PM
Mar 2015

They have no natural predators, and they don't migrate, and they make an incredible mess.

They also walk into busy roads full of rush hour traffic, as they have no sense of the danger of automobiles speeding towards them at all. It is amazing that so few are hit. The local drivers do look out for them.

There is a similar problem with deer in the area, as they also have no natural predators anymore.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
44. You could catch one here every day. Not just for Christmas anymore.
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 10:02 PM
Mar 2015

Take as many as you like. Please.

hunter

(38,328 posts)
11. I've got no problem with this.
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 08:52 PM
Mar 2015

It doesn't hurt to remind geese wolves still exist, even in places where it's only dogs.

IDemo

(16,926 posts)
13. This is a very common proactice around here
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 08:55 PM
Mar 2015

It's been used at the campuses of two large tech firms, on municipal golf courses and city parks.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
17. Can't trust those Canadians.
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 09:14 PM
Mar 2015

They are probably sending all their "bad geese" to the USA.

We should build a fence to protect our Northern border.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
23. I once had a girlfriend who worked at the Wal-Mart.
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 09:38 PM
Mar 2015

She was so tall she could hunt geese with a rake!

(Stolen from Big Bang)

bhikkhu

(10,724 posts)
30. Feces is life, in a natural environment
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 10:06 PM
Mar 2015

I know people who've cut down trees because birds live in them and poop on their cars. I don't mind a less sterile and more natural environment myself; if my car or my deck suffers, that's ok. DC was a swampy wetland at one time.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
31. Clearly this is the first volley in the Canadian-American Wildlife Pooping Wars!
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 10:10 PM
Mar 2015

We have several Meeses in training right now. Even a few in deep cover in Quebec.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
32. We live in a Twin Cities suburb and the
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 10:12 PM
Mar 2015

Canada geese population is huge. They are everwhere. We live next to a 3,000 acre county park and there is a sizeable pond about 100 yards behind our house. We're lucky that there is a big area of native grasses (and weeds) between our backyard and the pond. The geese land on the water but they are wary of the tall grass because it can conceal predators. If the tall grass were not there, we would have goose crap everywhere.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
38. My border collie had ZERO interest in the Canada geese on my lawn.
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 12:28 AM
Mar 2015

Didn't give them a second look. They, of course, were honking madly at the sight of him. But nada.

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