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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums50% of charges at Texas ERs in IN-NETWORK hospitals being billed as out of network.
AUSTIN -- State lawmakers took up legislation Tuesday to give patients more power to defend themselves against surprise medical bills.
The proposal, Senate Bill 481, targets "balance billing," an increasingly common phenomenon that occurs when a patient is treated at a facility in the network of his health insurance plan, but by at least one individual doctor who is not part of the network.
Because patients are responsible for paying for out-of-network costs, getting a balance bill can be very expensive. And a recent report found that such bills are especially common in Texas emergency rooms, with half of charges at ERs in in-network hospitals being billed as out of network.
http://www.chron.com/news/politics/texas/article/Lawmakers-consider-boosting-protections-against-6155828.php
(Unfortunately, the link at http://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/health/article/Surprise-hospital-bills-are-common-in-Texas-5759688.php is behind a subscription wall.)
And those out of network bills are not only paid 100% by the patient, but the amount billed is often a fantasy "regular price" which is ofter 250 -600 percent higher than any insurance company ever pays.
When the culture of predatory capitalism in medicine gets so bad that even Republicans introduce bills to curb it, it's clear that this is an issue that we need to address.
tech3149
(4,452 posts)It's the rate they try to bill for hospital services if you are self-pay. They are as much a rip off as the cost of pharmaceuticals.
If there is any industry that rips you off more, I haven't seen numbers that would show it. Except mabey loans harks or payday lenders.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)edit: and I'll bet the sleazeballs bring in an out-of-network doc for precisely this purpose.
Faryn Balyncd
(5,125 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Except one with powerful political forces still clinging to imperialism and 19th century capitalism.
LiberalEsto
(22,845 posts)We live in Maryland.
One of our daughters was taken to the ER in bad shape last fall and remained hospitalized for several days.
Her BlueCross BlueShield insurance (for which we were paying almost $600 a month for her alone) covered much of the cost, but refused to cover physician care, which was provided by doctors from a group called South Sound Physicians, because it was "out of network." The bill came to almost $1000.
I contacted South Sound, which is one of a number of companies that contract with hospitals to provide "hospitalist" physician services. The person I spoke with said there was no way they could ensure that a particular ER doctor was a provider for a particular health insurance company. I said wouldn't it make sense, since BCBS is one of the nation's larger health insurance companies, to make sure that ER physicians are in the BCBS network? He did not seem to understand the issue and kept spouting his prepared talk.
I contacted the hospital, and its financial counselor called me back. She said this type of situation has been going on for years, and that mine was the third complaint this week alone. She said patients need to be their own advocates. I pointed out that people who come into ER unconscious or severely injured can't wave around their insurance card and insist on being seen by a doctor who takes BCBS, or whatever insurance the patient has. My daughter has anxiety disorder and finds it almost impossible to be her own advocate in situations like this.
I suggested that to the hospital woman that she start keeping track of the complaints and the dollar amounts at stake, and provide reports to the administrators about how often this causes problems. She agreed that that was a good idea.
Lastly I called Blue Cross BlueShield and spoke to a wonderful person who listened, understood the problem, and found a loophole whereby all the bills from South Sound could be covered. This, she explained, was because my daughter was brought to an in-network hospital.
But what about all the people who cannot advocate for themselves? People who are severely ill or injured, or who may not speak English, or who have underlying conditions such as mental health problems that keep them from advocating for themselves.
And FFS, why do we have to FIGHT to advocate for ourselves, anyway? Things like this should simply be covered. The entire health "care" system is designed to wear people down in order to ensure maximum profits for the shareholders.
Faryn Balyncd
(5,125 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)That's it exactly. They bill people random huge dollar amounts and see who has the persistence and savvy to "negotiate the sum down to what it's supposed to be (still often outrageous). Private health insurance is the all-time biggest racket ever conceived, and is now part of life in the US by law. Unless it gets "repealed", of course
I had a routine, one-day (actually 2 hr) outpatient procedure in the fall. I got 6 bills. Unbelievable.
Glad you survived and made them get it right. Be careful
Ruby the Liberal
(26,219 posts)in that the patient in the ER has no option. They paid a partial bill, then I was threatened with collections on the balance. Blue Cross advised me to wait until the first check cleared and then call back and ask them to issue a second check for the "uncontracted balance" noting "invisible provider". They paid the full ransom note. Still pisses me off as this is the only ER in town with inpatient care, and nothing has changed. At least now I know what to do, but as you have noted - how many don't know or don't have the mental/physical energy to track this shit down?
LiberalEsto
(22,845 posts)as an aspect of the Affordable Care Act.
Another thing is that maybe hospitals that contract with these hospitalist agencies should require in the contracts that every physician who works at that hospital be covered by some arrangement with the major health insurance companies companies in that area.
Of course, the real solution would be SINGLE-PAYER coverage for all.
Ruby the Liberal
(26,219 posts)state Insurance office. Since the bill was paid in full, there wasn't any reason to - but it took MONTHS (and dozens of phone calls) to get it all worked out.
Now, at least I know what to do if I end up in the ER again and it won't be nearly as time consuming - but how many DON'T know how to deal with this?
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)They'll probably steal another 5-10%. And then the hospitals take theirs and the doctors takes theirs. But hey! It's the best we can get!
Ruby the Liberal
(26,219 posts)Co-pay covers bloodwork/EKGs and the like, but weeks after a visit, the physician group sends a bill for hundreds of dollars.
Its a total scam and its everywhere.
brentspeak
(18,290 posts)Medicare for all.
Faryn Balyncd
(5,125 posts)antigop
(12,778 posts)Response to antigop (Reply #15)
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antigop
(12,778 posts)Faryn Balyncd
(5,125 posts)The sleazy "business practices" that continue to increase in medicine are an embarrassment and a disgrace.
And to top it off, patients are intentionally kept in the dark.
Then, when out-of-network providers who may have never seen the patient, nor informed them that they were out of network (even when the patient intentionally chose an in-network hospital), and never gave the patient a choice on whether or not to accept services at his or her undisclosed price, (or whether to go to a different facility, or simply to refuse care) provide the service out-of-network, resulting in the insurance company saving money (as they pay zero for the out-of-network service, despite the fact that they had knowingly sold the policy to the patient and provided information that the facility was an in-network facility. then the patient may be billed for services at grossly inflated prices, such as the following example:
Rachel Collier, 41, a sales executive from San Jose, Calif., got a harsh education in medical pricing in August 2011, when she was stricken with pain in her back, which then moved to her abdomen. Her employer had recently switched its health plan to a Cigna PPO with a $5,000 deductible, and Collier had not yet selected a doctor or hospital to replace the providers at her former plan, a Kaiser HMO.
She went to the emergency room of a hospital in the Cigna network and was given blood tests, a CT scan, and an IV. She went home with a couple of medications, and the pain let up after a few hours. A few days later, I got a call from the hospital billing office, she recalls. They said, Your total bill is $14,600, including $9,000 for the CT scan, and with your insurance youll owe $6,500. But if you want to pay the uninsured rate in cash right now, you can have a discount and it will be a little more than $3,000. So I gave them my bank account number and they pulled out the money right away. All I could think was, What the heck just happened??
What the heck happened remains unclear; as we went to press, Cigna was still investigating why the hospital didnt charge Collier the lower network price or submit a claim to the health plan.....Whats not in doubt is that Collier paid much more for that CT scan than she needed to. Cigna allows plan members to look up some cost information online, and it turns out that an in-network freestanding imaging center near her home offers the same type of CT scan that she had in the hospital, but for a mere $318.
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine/2012/07/that-ct-scan-costs-how-much/index.htm
This is predatory capitalism at its worst, and a disgrace to the profession and to our nation.