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mercuryblues

(14,537 posts)
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 10:24 AM Mar 2015

ACLU sues Bishops



ACLU Sues Bishops on Behalf of Pregnant Woman Denied Care at Catholic Hospital





NEW YORK and DETROIT— The American Civil Liberties Union and the ACLU of Michigan have filed a lawsuit on behalf of a pregnant woman who miscarried and was denied appropriate medical treatment because the only hospital in her county is required to abide by religious directives. The directives, written by the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, prohibited that hospital from complying with the applicable standard of care in this case.

Tamesha Means rushed to Mercy Health Partners in Muskegon, Michigan, when her water broke after only 18 weeks of pregnancy. Based on the bishops’ religious directives, the hospital sent her home twice even though Means was in excruciating pain; there was virtually no chance that her pregnancy could survive, and continuing the pregnancy posed significant risks to her health.

Because of its Catholic affiliation and binding directives, the hospital told Means that there was nothing it could do and did not tell Means that terminating her pregnancy was an option and the safest course for her condition. When Means returned to the hospital a third time in extreme distress and with an infection, the hospital, once again prepared to send her home. While staff prepared her discharge paperwork, she began to deliver. Only then did the hospital begin tending to Means’ miscarriage.

https://www.aclu.org/religion-belief-womens-rights/aclu-sues-bishops-behalf-pregnant-woman-denied-care-catholic-hospital


This is just one reason why religion needs to stay out of the uterus.
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ACLU sues Bishops (Original Post) mercuryblues Mar 2015 OP
It would also run up charges, Trillo Mar 2015 #1
When I first mercuryblues Mar 2015 #3
There is nothing so cruel as a rabid "Christian" - MANative Mar 2015 #2
make no mistake mercuryblues Mar 2015 #4
How does someone best determine the ownership of a hospital? Trillo Mar 2015 #5
hmm mercuryblues Mar 2015 #6
I don't typically think of "mercy" as being limited to the religious. Trillo Mar 2015 #7
No it doesn't mercuryblues Mar 2015 #8
WTF? progressoid Mar 2015 #9
In other words, the ACLU sues the Catholic Church over not providing an abortion in a Wella Mar 2015 #10
button mercuryblues Mar 2015 #12
button Wella Mar 2015 #13
fact mercuryblues Mar 2015 #14
Why not go after the real heavyweights? KamaAina Mar 2015 #11

mercuryblues

(14,537 posts)
3. When I first
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 11:01 AM
Mar 2015

read this article, I wondered why she kept going back there. Then it was mentioned (in a round about way) that is also where she went for her pre-natal care. IOW her doctor worked out of the hospital. Women in that area have no chance to get medically honest care.

It also brought to mind though not exact, but similar to what Santorum's wife went through. They were given the option of having the medical care (antibiotics to kill the infection) needed to save his wife's life and took it. This woman was sent home with the belief that there was hope to save her pregnancy. It took her 2 days and 3 visits to the hospital for her to miscarry. Her suffering could have been prevented. They didn't even admit her to keep an eye on her health. They kept sending her home.

MANative

(4,112 posts)
2. There is nothing so cruel as a rabid "Christian" -
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 10:56 AM
Mar 2015

I do believe that Jesus was a real person and a good man. I abhor what has been wrought in his name by a controlling, misogynistic church. I believe he would be ashamed of and disgusted by this hospital's actions, and by extension, what his "church" has become.

mercuryblues

(14,537 posts)
4. make no mistake
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 11:06 AM
Mar 2015

this church has always been like this. Church run hospitals should not be allowed to be the only hospital in any area. For this reason. We have one in my town. I drive an extra 10 minutes when I have any medical emergency. Thankfully they shut down their ob ward quite some time ago.

Trillo

(9,154 posts)
5. How does someone best determine the ownership of a hospital?
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 11:19 AM
Mar 2015

I just did a search for Mercy Health Partners in Muskegon, Michigan, and there is not one mention of catholic, christian, or religion on the first page. If I add one word, "ownership", one result mentions "church", but it's buried, I believe I only found it because I was looking for it.

Another word came up in this process, "non-profit". Most of the time when you see that you think, good, they're not after money. But this failure to properly treat this woman, leaving her in pain, her developing an infection, and the eventual miscarriage means charges were racked up. Their "non-profit" game seems one of "profit".

mercuryblues

(14,537 posts)
6. hmm
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 11:31 AM
Mar 2015

I never thought about how a person could even determine if a hospital is owned by a church. Especially when the name or a description of the hospital doesn't indicate it. Seems to me that should change.

Trillo

(9,154 posts)
7. I don't typically think of "mercy" as being limited to the religious.
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 12:19 PM
Mar 2015

Am I misunderstanding the word? Is "Mercy" enough to indicate religious ownership?

mercuryblues

(14,537 posts)
8. No it doesn't
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 01:04 PM
Mar 2015

sound religious. The hospital near me is called Providence. Part of a chain run by the Sisters of Charity. They still have to follow the Bishop's mandate on this. But just seeing the name Providence does not let you know that it is a religious hospital. Not only are they not allowed to give medically accurate info, they are not allowed to suggest the person go elsewhere to get the treatment they need.
The woman in the OP could have easily died because of their neglect.

I remember a story a while back about a rape victim being denied the morning after pill, because it was against the ER doctors religious beliefs. Some states have laws on the books that allow pharmacists to not fill prescriptions for the morning after pill, birth control and other medications if the pharmacist think they were prescribed because a woman had an abortion.

To me it is just one more thing that a woman has to know if she wants to be treated like a human, instead of an incubator. How many men have to know, what hospital to go to, what Dr's will tell them the truth about their medical emergency and what pharmacist will fill their prescription?

I have a niece whose baby died in utero. Her husband was in the military. Because of the Hyde Act, the hospital needed approval to provide an abortion. That could take up to 2 weeks. Yes she was expected to carry a dead fetus for 2 weeks and hope she did not develop an infection that could harm her or kill her. She borrowed some money and went to Planned Parenthood, where she had to walk past the "sidewalk counselors" screaming she was killing her baby.

But there is no war on women.

 

Wella

(1,827 posts)
10. In other words, the ACLU sues the Catholic Church over not providing an abortion in a
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 04:13 PM
Mar 2015

Catholic hospital and waiting for a natural miscarriage to start.

I am sure that if this hospital thought the woman was in real danger, they would have admitted her. In regard to the pain, was she given painkillers?

Edited to add:

I want to know more about the medical details before jumping on another emotional bandwagon. Much as I like the ACLU, they have taken on a wrong case or two.

mercuryblues

(14,537 posts)
12. button
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 05:00 PM
Mar 2015

up your shirt, your heart is falling out.

You obviously have never experienced giving birth or have a clue how dangerous pregnancy can be for a woman. It is freaking painful. This woman miscarried. It took almost 3 days. The amniotic fluid that a fetus needs to survive was gone. Not only was she experiencing contractions, she was also in severe pain from an infection. Which she presented with the next day. They gave her pain pills, for an infection.sepsis. 28-50% of the people that develop sepsis die and that is with treatment. They gave her pain pills. Treatment for sepsis starts with the removal of the root cause (in this case it was the fetus) and mega doses antibiotics. They never told her that the fetus had no chance of survival without the amniotic fluid. They never told her that there were medical choices available and send her elsewhere. They never told her she had an infection that would kill her if untreated. They didn't tell her she had sepsis because the antibiotic used to fight it could cause her to miscarry that early in the pregnancy. They told her to come back in 9 days for her regular prenatal checkup.

This all could have been avoided if they told her what was wrong and to go to another hospital. She was denied medical treatment based on religion. A religious hospital should never be the only hospital in a region for this very reason.

 

Wella

(1,827 posts)
13. button
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 02:10 AM
Mar 2015

up your shirt. You can't think if your heart is bleeding.

I don't go by emotion, even your heartfelt emotion. I go by the facts, and I'll wait to see what they are.

mercuryblues

(14,537 posts)
14. fact
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 09:43 AM
Mar 2015

they gave her painkillers for a highly deadly infection.

Fact: a fetus can not survive in the womb without amniotic fluid, that early in the pregnancy.

fact: the fetus, without the amniotic fluid became infected. Something that they knew would happen. But again, the IV antibiotics needed would have ended the pregnancy.

fact: the infection spread throughout her entire body

Fact the second time she went to the hospital she presented with a fever, a sign of an infection. They gave her pain pills and sent her home. They did not even admit her to keep an eye on her.

Fact when you develop this type of infection you have 24-48 hours to get treatment.

fact: she went to the hospital seeking help 3 times and they never admitted her. They were in the process of sending her home for a 3rd time when she finally physically miscarried.

Fact: because this hospital is run by the catholic church, they did not tell her having an abortion could have avoided all this pain and suffering.

Fact: they did not give her antibiotics because what was needed to kill the infection would also cause her to miscarry.

Fact: the normal protocol when the amniotic fluid breaks is to inject steroids to help with lung development. Immediately give IV antibiotics to help prevent infection and to deliver within 24 hours, if the pregnancy is far enough along. She wasn't far enough along to induce labor for the fetus to survive outside the womb. They gave her pain killers.

Fact they never even told her to go to a different hospital, they kept telling her to come back to them.


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