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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSen. Allen (AZ) would make church mandatory. God help us.
http://www.azcentral.com/story/ejmontini/2015/03/26/sylvia-allen-arizona-legislature-mandatory-church/70482802/Anyway, Big Guy, they were debating a gun bill at a legislative committee meeting at the State Capitol this week so, naturally, Allen brought up religion....
This was one of those crazy bills in which lawmakers want people to be able to bring concealed weapons into public buildings. Allen got upset because a few people expressed common sense opposition to the idea. Lawmakers here cannot abide common sense.
Allen said, "Probably we should be debating a bill requiring every American to attend a church of their choice on Sunday to see if we can get back to having a moral rebirth," adding "that would never be allowed."
uppityperson
(115,678 posts)greatauntoftriplets
(175,749 posts)no_hypocrisy
(46,160 posts)I'd also be compelled to associate with people bringing concealed weapons into that church.
That's just whack.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)somehow this all sounds so surreal
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)Our local chapter of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster meets on Thursday evenings, so we would be in violation.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Something lit a fire under the whackjobs' collective holier-than-thou ass and I think this is only going to get worse.
tanyev
(42,601 posts)Party of small government, my ass.
stone space
(6,498 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)I am completely gobsmacked.
MADem
(135,425 posts)The entire concept is idiotic, but think about how people would get around such a law! The possibilities are endless!
http://www.refiningtruth.com/alcohol-grow-church-attendance/
http://time.com/3741677/church-naked-slumber-parties-panama-city-beach-tax-exempt/
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)tanyev
(42,601 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)would have prevented her daughter's husband from raping (unlawful sexual contact) with the female prisoners under his "care", prompting her to use her legislative status to interfere in the subsequent investigation (to almost got her arrested).
http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/arizona/politics/2015/03/19/relatives-job-woes-prompt-senators-bill/25005319/
KansDem
(28,498 posts)On Sundays I will have a moral rebirth by attending the The Church of Single Malt of Late-in-the-Day Scotch.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)One_Life_To_Give
(6,036 posts)Yes we used to arrest people for not going to the Sunday Meeting House. By law we didn't have churches back then. Had a guy to rap you up side the head for napping too. And it wasn't any of this only couple hour affairs. We owned yer arse for the whole day.
Although going to Church did have one big benefit. If you were a male of age why you could vote. As that was part of the meeting as well, presumably while the wimin folk were cleaning up from lunch.
Includes a fair amount of
I am inclined to believe the First Amendment could have originally been called the Protection from the Church of New England Amendment.
Lifelong Protester
(8,421 posts)Or did a different group take credit for this?
Retrograde
(10,151 posts)The hanged the suspected witches: burning was so Old World.
They weren't too kind to Quakers, either.
foo_bar
(4,193 posts)https://didoisux.wordpress.com/2013/02/01/death-by-crushing-peine-forte-et-dure/
One_Life_To_Give
(6,036 posts)Failure to "Honor thy Mother and Father" IIRC. Was interpreted to include Ministers and Church Officials. IIRC In one case a woman repeat offender was hung on Boston Common for this.
betterdemsonly
(1,967 posts)Apparently before the revolution you could be thrown in the stocks and whipped for not attending the Anglican Church. This is why Jefferson authored the VA Statutes on Religious Freedom.
It reads
" An Act for establishing religious Freedom.
Whereas, Almighty God hath created the mind free;
That all attempts to influence it by temporal punishments or burthens, or by civil incapacitations tend only to beget habits of hypocrisy and meanness, and therefore are a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, who being Lord, both of body and mind yet chose not to propagate it by coercions on either, as was in his Almighty power to do,
That the impious presumption of legislators and rulers, civil as well as ecclesiastical, who, being themselves but fallible and uninspired men have assumed dominion over the faith of others, setting up their own opinions and modes of thinking as the only true and infallible, and as such endeavouring to impose them on others, hath established and maintained false religions over the greatest part of the world and through all time;
That to compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions, which he disbelieves is sinful and tyrannical;
That even the forcing him to support this or that teacher of his own religious persuasion is depriving him of the comfortable liberty of giving his contributions to the particular pastor, whose morals he would make his pattern, and whose powers he feels most persuasive to righteousness, and is withdrawing from the Ministry those temporary rewards, which, proceeding from an approbation of their personal conduct are an additional incitement to earnest and unremitting labours for the instruction of mankind;
That our civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions any more than our opinions in physics or geometry,
That therefore the proscribing any citizen as unworthy the public confidence, by laying upon him an incapacity of being called to offices of trust and emolument, unless he profess or renounce this or that religious opinion, is depriving him injuriously of those privileges and advantages, to which, in common with his fellow citizens, he has a natural right,
That it tends only to corrupt the principles of that very Religion it is meant to encourage, by bribing with a monopoly of worldly honours and emoluments those who will externally profess and conform to it;
That though indeed, these are criminal who do not withstand such temptation, yet neither are those innocent who lay the bait in their way;
That to suffer the civil magistrate to intrude his powers into the field of opinion and to restrain the profession or propagation of principles on supposition of their ill tendency is a dangerous fallacy which at once destroys all religious liberty because he being of course judge of that tendency will make his opinions the rule of judgment and approve or condemn the sentiments of others only as they shall square with or differ from his own;
That it is time enough for the rightful purposes of civil government, for its officers to interfere when principles break out into overt acts against peace and good order;
And finally, that Truth is great, and will prevail if left to herself, that she is the proper and sufficient antagonist to error, and has nothing to fear from the conflict, unless by human interposition disarmed of her natural weapons free argument and debate, errors ceasing to be dangerous when it is permitted freely to contradict them:
Be it enacted by General Assembly that no man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burthened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer on account of his religious opinions or belief, but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of Religion, and that the same shall in no wise diminish, enlarge or affect their civil capacities. And though we well know that this Assembly elected by the people for the ordinary purposes of Legislation only, have no power to restrain the acts of succeeding Assemblies constituted with powers equal to our own, and that therefore to declare this act irrevocable would be of no effect in law; yet we are free to declare, and do declare that the rights hereby asserted, are of the natural rights of mankind, and that if any act shall be hereafter passed to repeal the present or to narrow its operation, such act will be an infringement of natural right. "
I wish this would be taught in history courses in the US but I think history has been polticized by fundy jackles just like Science.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)So more church will help promote safe guns, got it.
colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)I am agnostic but know Jesus, supernatural or not, would not take kindly to these vindictive bigoted crazies.
I wonder what almost any republican legislator from the 50s-70s would say about these loonies. Actually we have a clue, because Barry Goldwater was still around when the right started going off the rails, and he clearly said he had no use at all for them at all.
betterdemsonly
(1,967 posts)Snowflake is about as isolated as they get. They are like Cliven Bundy.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)I think I can organize a ragtag army of the Meh Cat Brigade for a church. Over time, we will evolve. We may adopt the Ceiling Cat brand and use the Lolcat Bible as our Holy Writ.
Translation of the entire Bible are complete and can be read at:
http://www.lolcatbible.com/index.php?title=Main_Page
At first, we can meet at each other's homes and elaborate on how we don't give a rat's ass about organized religion, but nonetheless will seek a tax exemption for OUR organized religion. We'll begin with mandatory recitation of the Ceiling Cat Prayer:
http://www.lolcatbible.com/index.php?title=Ceiling_Cat_Prayer
Eventually, we will be won over by greed and authoritarianism, and anyone who deviates from our faith by failing to believe in the existence of Ceiling Cat will be tossed out:
http://www.lolcatbible.com/index.php?title=Proof_of_Ceiling_Cat
When we've gathered up enough money we'll buy a mega mansion as our base of operations. With high walls to stop people from viewing our cult initiations, where there will be much caterwauling while the resident fat cats reproduce.
Through donations from the guileless public, we'll have kitty litter delivered several times a week along with lots of kibble for vegetarian kittehs and tuna and salmon for fundamentalists who insist on carnivorism. Serving pickled rat's asses will be part of our Sunday service.
Then we'll start killing each other, no doubt, as most religions do. I think Arizona might become a good base for our worldwide operations. They have no gun laws at all and have given the green light to force people who don't want traditional church. In time we will be one, but no matter.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)GREAT post!
vankuria
(904 posts)May-be she would she round them up and put them into prison camps?
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)their new state motto.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)Man, that's just out there.
I remember being forced to go to church as a kid and how resentful I was. It wasn't until I was older and made the choice to go that I appreciated the experience.
Then throw in the fact that doing such a thing is kind of (like blatantly) unconstitutional.
I can't think of a single person of faith whom I personally know that would ever endorse such an idea.
panader0
(25,816 posts)There is no such bill, thank goodness, and said politician is an idiot, but don't let that get in the way of the anti_Az outrage.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)which I think is a beautiful state, but at any politician who would even muse out loud about such a bill.
atreides1
(16,091 posts)And it's not a bad place...it's the idiots who vote for the brain dead that are the problem!
People voted this crazy loon and the others like her into office...and they keep doing it, why? It seems that the majority of voters are either as batshit crazy as Michelle Bachmann, or possess the brain activity of the Walking Dead...not sure which is worse!
Are the people of Arizona really so stupid that they can't see that what they're doing is going to hurt the weakest in the state...or do they actually enjoy watching people suffer?
Maybe that's what it is...voters like those in Arizona and other states are nothing more then a bunch of sick, sadistic, inhumane animals, who get an orgasmic charge from knowing that people they consider to be less then human will suffer and possibly even die?
panader0
(25,816 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)or St. Looney Up The Cream Bun and Jam
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)If you don't comply you will be detained.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Terry Gilliam's masterpiece Brazil.
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Gilliam was the American in Monty Python and responsible for the weird animations. He turned into a damn fine director and it's a hell of a movie. But don't bother with anything but the full director's cut of 2 hours 20 minutes, which was shown all around the world. The edited version is a travesty. There's a Criterion Collection three-disk set with both versions and Gilliam's story of his battles with the US distributor over the film.
Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)I sat way in the back and read science fiction novels. One form of fantasy is as good as another, I guess.
rurallib
(62,444 posts)Sunday? what if the church you don't go to meets on Saturday? If they don't get you on Saturday, are you ok for the week? What if next week you decide not to go to church on Friday?
What if the church you don't go to meets 2X per week? What about holy days? Could you be arrested on holy days and whatever other day you don't attend?
And what of the police that will be so busy that they will be unable to attend church?
flobee1
(870 posts)Every sunday and do this
Who's with me?
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)but HELL YEAH!!
Archae
(46,343 posts)What a loon.
LisaL
(44,974 posts)Where would this genius send me?
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)for some 'christianizing'. Thankfully I do not live in AZ, but have an atheist friend who does.
Paulie
(8,462 posts)We would use our tracts (cards) and battle different forces while pray to Arceus in loud voices to let us flip heads on that dice roll.
muntrv
(14,505 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)mah freedumb and libertea!!!"
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)is keeping government out of our lives? Do these people even listen to themselves?
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)We have considerable mental illness in this country IMO, much of it centered on some abhorrent belief structures.
Retrograde
(10,151 posts)means you can be any kind of Protestant. Hence, no allowance for Jews, Muslims, or anyone else who observes a different worship schedule.
Wait a minute - where does the leave Seventh Day Adventists? Their Sabbath is Saturday!
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)go somewhere that you may not believe in.
Just another way that the GOP has bastardized religion and freedom.