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DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 05:29 PM Mar 2015

Odds are high that a small business in Indiana is about to Meet The Internet

Someone who bakes cakes or owns a shoe store or a machine shop is going to let it be known that per the new Indiana law just signed by Mike Pence, they won't be serving gay people. As soon as that happens, Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, and other social media sites will attack the living shit out of that business owner. The owner will then do one of a couple of things: try to stand pat and make it worse, apologize "if anyone was offended", or some combination of 1 followed by 2.

This cycle may happen a few times before some court with half a brain invalidates the law. Any way you look at it, Indiana is going to lose money. There are going to be lots of court costs, and there's going to be lost business. And they're going to deserve every bit of it.

Having lived in Indiana for a total of about 10 years, I feel very comfortable in stating emphatically: Fuck Indiana.

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Odds are high that a small business in Indiana is about to Meet The Internet (Original Post) DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 OP
agree….agree…. dhill926 Mar 2015 #1
One of whom is John Mellencamp KamaAina Mar 2015 #3
There are a great many fine people there. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #4
yep..... dhill926 Mar 2015 #6
I'll cop to missing Birch Bayh more than Evan. nt DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #7
I know the feeling Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #11
I wonder if their law and the one coming up in Little Rock means some rednecks LiberalArkie Mar 2015 #22
One can certainly get that impression from their behavior Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #26
The flip side: Some businesses will proudly announce they serve everyone arcane1 Mar 2015 #2
That's already happening starroute Mar 2015 #8
Yay! AllyCat Mar 2015 #15
A great opportunity for the staff to engage the customers... erronis Mar 2015 #19
Awesome! I hope some are online so I can direct some orders their way! raven mad Mar 2015 #29
Those signs are up in Indy, too AwakeAtLast Mar 2015 #32
I hope they do at the expense of the intolerant nut jobs. Gore1FL Mar 2015 #9
I was just going to post this... there is already a decal to that effect that is posted salin Mar 2015 #21
we can hope Doctor_J Mar 2015 #5
This law is what happens when we let Christian dominionists/Christian reconstructionists run blkmusclmachine Mar 2015 #10
What I will be doing this weekend Sherman A1 Mar 2015 #12
Tell them you're not coming to the Indianapolis 500. Mr.Bill Mar 2015 #23
Situation makes for interesting hypotheticals 90-percent Mar 2015 #13
My husband grew up in Indiana TNNurse Mar 2015 #14
The only problem is that a lot of those "good people of Indiana" VOTED for this asshole. calimary Mar 2015 #17
If it happened like it did in Arkansas, the good lefties just stayed home on election day LiberalArkie Mar 2015 #24
Ahhh... Arkansas. Proud producer of both Bill Clinton and Tehran tom the Traitor Tot! calimary Mar 2015 #28
I am so following your journal. raven mad Mar 2015 #31
I understand your point. TNNurse Mar 2015 #25
I live in Indiana... Adrahil Mar 2015 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Mar 2015 #16
The TPP will allow for discrimination based on religious belief?... SidDithers Mar 2015 #33
Before the Arizona gov vetoed the legislation mountain grammy Mar 2015 #18
We need more stoopids like this as governors to get the country back erronis Mar 2015 #20
And as sure as the sun rises in the east, some bigot will yell "CYBER-BULLYING!!1!!1!" bullwinkle428 Mar 2015 #27

dhill926

(16,351 posts)
1. agree….agree….
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 05:44 PM
Mar 2015

and

"Having lived in Indiana for a total of about 10 years, I feel very comfortable in stating emphatically: Fuck Indiana." most emphatically agree, having lived there for 18 years. Although I will say, there are many fine people there….just not enough.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
3. One of whom is John Mellencamp
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 05:47 PM
Mar 2015

who, one would hope, is working as we speak on a song that will totally destroy Pence and his minions.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
4. There are a great many fine people there.
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 05:48 PM
Mar 2015

I met my wife in Indiana, and I'm very fond of her. I was referring to state government, and to the mouthbreathers who put that state government in place.

LiberalArkie

(15,727 posts)
22. I wonder if their law and the one coming up in Little Rock means some rednecks
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 08:32 PM
Mar 2015

can again refuse service to blacks and Jews and Chinese and others again because of the religion.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
26. One can certainly get that impression from their behavior
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 09:20 PM
Mar 2015

They seem to want to take the state back to the days of Orval Faubus and Paul "Barefoot and Pregnant" Van Dalsem.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
2. The flip side: Some businesses will proudly announce they serve everyone
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 05:45 PM
Mar 2015

And those businesses will get free advertising and abundant patronage

starroute

(12,977 posts)
8. That's already happening
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 07:15 PM
Mar 2015
http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/post-tribune/news/ct-ptb-rfra-local-reaction-st-0326-20150325-story.html

Businesses in Valparaiso, including Yats, Valpo Velvet, Four Fathers Brewing and Designer Desserts, have posted "We Serve Everyone" notices on their social media sites.

The signs are in reaction to the Religious Freedom and Restoration Act bill, which protects businesses from not serving someone if they objected on religious grounds. The bill was signed into law by Gov. Mike Pence Thursday morning. ...

Yats serves a diverse group of customers, including Valparaiso University and international students, and serving them has never been a problem, she said, adding that she didn't see why it should be an issue for any retailer.

"We're all there for customer service, and we're not there to judge," Coe said.


erronis

(15,326 posts)
19. A great opportunity for the staff to engage the customers...
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 08:08 PM
Mar 2015

"Can we talk about your personal biases?"

Anyone who looks suspiciously like a RWNJ or Scalia or glances away or mutters something negative on their putrid breath should be turned away.

"Sorry, This Business Only Serves People That Accept Other People."

raven mad

(4,940 posts)
29. Awesome! I hope some are online so I can direct some orders their way!
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 10:53 PM
Mar 2015

Please put up names & links! LOL, I'm so lazy................ I do a LOT of shopping online if I can't get it by local-owned. A good way to show support, eh?

I fell in love with this sign that I first saw on an eatery near Denali.......... I hope to see a LOT of them everywhere these "laws" are enacted.

Gore1FL

(21,151 posts)
9. I hope they do at the expense of the intolerant nut jobs.
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 07:26 PM
Mar 2015

My concern is the right wing "buycotts" that will pop up to support the haters. (Like Chik fil a had.)

salin

(48,955 posts)
21. I was just going to post this... there is already a decal to that effect that is posted
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 08:25 PM
Mar 2015

in many Indianapolis businesses.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
5. we can hope
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 05:50 PM
Mar 2015

The only thing these psychos understand is money. If the nfl or nba or the gamers refuse to do business in that state, some things might change.

 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
10. This law is what happens when we let Christian dominionists/Christian reconstructionists run
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 07:27 PM
Mar 2015

for office (and win). And we have some of these people in the Democratic Party, I strongly suspect.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
12. What I will be doing this weekend
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 07:33 PM
Mar 2015

is emailing the Indiana Convention & Visitors Bureau and simply telling them that I will not be looking at their state as a place where I will be vacationing. I actually was doing so for this year as they have several locations which I thought would be fun for my photography hobby, but I just took their brochures and put them into the recycle bag.

I applaud those such as GenCon, that have stated they will move their business elsewhere and think more of us should let them know that we will be doing the same.

90-percent

(6,829 posts)
13. Situation makes for interesting hypotheticals
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 07:41 PM
Mar 2015

If a business is owned by a Christian Scientist, does this mean that by law they can refuse to serve anybody that ever went to a doctor?

And how do anti-gay businesses determine who is gay and who isn't? If you're not with your same sex partner how can they tell? What if you're a flaming heterosexual but are wearing a pro gay tee shirt? You yourself are straight as an arrow, but your tee shirt isn't. If refused service, could you go out and change your shirt and then demand to be served?

Or should you offer to have sex with the owners wife to prove you're not gay?

This is bad lawmaking at it's conservative finest.

-90% jimmy

TNNurse

(6,929 posts)
14. My husband grew up in Indiana
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 07:54 PM
Mar 2015

We own a summer cottage on a lake there. I do not want to punish the good people of Indiana because they are governed by bigoted jerks. I will be checking every source I can for potential boycotts and will not enter any business that identifies itself with this horrific decision.

Surely the courts understand that this is WRONG and bad for the state.

I hope.

calimary

(81,421 posts)
17. The only problem is that a lot of those "good people of Indiana" VOTED for this asshole.
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 08:05 PM
Mar 2015

Either they were simply taken in by the platitudes and the soothing campaign rhetoric, or maybe some of 'em aren't such "good people" after all. mike pence didn't get to the governor's office all by his little self.

LiberalArkie

(15,727 posts)
24. If it happened like it did in Arkansas, the good lefties just stayed home on election day
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 08:37 PM
Mar 2015

I know of plenty that have just given up here. I have just about given up but I still go and hold my nose, make sure I don't have anything in my stomach that might come up and vote D.

calimary

(81,421 posts)
28. Ahhh... Arkansas. Proud producer of both Bill Clinton and Tehran tom the Traitor Tot!
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 10:40 PM
Mar 2015

Wow - talk about a broad spectrum there...

I think it was both. The nutcases were fired up and wouldn't have missed it. Those we REALLY NEEDED to show up at the polls, the good lefties as you say, stayed home. Well, in the case of the latter of those two mentioned in my Reply title - was doing so worth it? Wonder if those who gave up and stayed home are happy now?

Honestly, I can't for the life of me imagine that they're satisfied with the result.

YES I KNOW IT'S DISCOURAGING!!!! It's discouraging as all-get-out! YES!!! And those who assert this - YES, They Are Correct!

But there are consequences for that! Look what happened. Look what Arkansas got for itself. Look who Arkansas got to represent them in the Senate and, as we've seen, the whole world! That guy with the big block letters "TRAITOR" on the front of the New York Daily News - that's YOUR guy, Arkansas. That's YOU. He represents YOU. He's doing this shit in YOUR name. And it's gone all over the world and he's being labeled a traitor everywhere! YOUR Mr. Arkansas. Making YOU look like shit. Even those of you who stayed home because the choice you had with a "D" on it wasn't as perfect as you wanted.

And YES, you who didn't vote and stayed home for that reason, you who also look like shit all over the world because he's carrying YOUR good name around with him on his traitorous "crusade" ALSO, yes, YOU have a point, too. You wanted something better to vote FOR. You wanted someONE better to vote FOR. I wish you'd had that. Then WE, the rest of us who don't want him, would have better, as well. But instead, you stayed home, his team showed up and voted, and WE ALL are cursed with him. Happy now? Hoping if it Just... Gets... Really... Abominably... Bad, there will be some revolution and extreme corrective action because the people will have finally had a bellyful and revolt and change things. It'll take things getting THAT BAD for us to bring about the change we want? ralph nader thought so, too, during Campaign 2000, and look what happened there.

It's not gonna get that bad that people will be driven to revolt. Yes, it WILL get all kinds of really freakin' bad, but nobody's gonna bother. The opposite will happen, and HAS happened. People have grown despondent. Discouraged. They've lost hope. They've lost even being willing to dream about hope. So they say the hell with EVERYTHING, it's no use, they're all the same, and they stay home. It seems as though human nature nowadays is NOT to get fired up and grab the torches and pitchforks. They curl up and stay home and get in OUT of the bad ol' world. Well, THAT doesn't do much toward solving ANYTHING!

Makes me think of that movie from 1980 - "The Competition," with Amy Irving and Richard Dreyfuss as then-young piano prodigies in a bigtime, career-making international piano competition. Lee Remick played Amy Irving's teacher and mentor. She had the greatest line! The scene was (spoiler alert) in a side room off a larger grand salon where a party was underway. The competition was over and Amy's character had won. But she was not happy. She'd become lovers with Richard Dreyfuss's character - who was the runner-up the year before and this was probably his last shot at winning. She beat him. He came in second. And she was moping in this side room away from the revelry where she was ostensibly the guest of honor. So Lee Remick approaches her, knowing the whole back story and the romance that's now presumably on the critical list. She tells her young student - "it's going to take at least 100 years for Nature to evolve the kind of man you have in mind. Until that happens, GET OUT THERE AND DANCE WITH WHAT THERE IS!!!"

I wish we had the perfect candidates to vote for, everywhere! I wish everyone in every Congressional and state assembly district, every city, state, and county, and nationally did. I want that, too. But we don't. This is reality and it's not always what we have in mind. Sometimes it's not even close. And I fervently, ardently wish that we could vote FOR somebody rather than AGAINST the other guy. But sometimes that's all we have to dance with. I wish we had Elizabeth Warren running for President, too. But all the wishing and lobbying and advocating and pressuring don't seem anywhere close to making it so. But we still may wind up having to dance with what there is. Well, so be it. Better than letting the worse choice get in by omission from our side - because we did nothing to stop it. You want THEIR guy picking the next one or two Associate Justices of the Supreme Court?

TNNurse

(6,929 posts)
25. I understand your point.
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 08:44 PM
Mar 2015

My governor is awful. The fact that he got elected does not mean that I or my friends and family voted for him. There are good people everywhere, I think.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
30. I live in Indiana...
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 11:03 PM
Mar 2015

I can assure you I did NOT vote for that asshole. Many of us here are fighting tooth and nail.

Having said that.... PLEASE boycott us. Money is the only thing those idiots respect!

Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Original post)

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
33. The TPP will allow for discrimination based on religious belief?...
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 08:47 AM
Mar 2015

Really?

I'd like to see you back that up with some official language. just1voice

But you wont.

Sid

mountain grammy

(26,642 posts)
18. Before the Arizona gov vetoed the legislation
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 08:08 PM
Mar 2015

The Arizona legislators passed a similar bill. Businesses put up signs that said "we reserve the right to refuse service to Arizona legislators." I'll second that.

erronis

(15,326 posts)
20. We need more stoopids like this as governors to get the country back
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 08:15 PM
Mar 2015

I certainly hope there will be a wonderful expose of who funded/directed these wingnuts as they swept into power, and then were swept into the dustbin.

We hear the names of Koch/Norquist/Rove/ALEC often enough. Is there some ultra-secret cabal that is really pulling the strings? Could it be a foreign power that is trying to undermine the glory of the mighty USofA? Stay tuned - the book/movie are coming out.

bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
27. And as sure as the sun rises in the east, some bigot will yell "CYBER-BULLYING!!1!!1!"
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 09:40 PM
Mar 2015

I'm buying stock in...


K&R.

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