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Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 04:58 PM Mar 2015

U.S. Nerve Gas Hit Our Own Troops in Iraq

During and immediately after the first Gulf War, more than 200,000 of 700,000 U.S. troops sent to Iraq and Kuwait in January 1991 were exposed to nerve gas and other chemical agents. Though aware of this, the Department of Defense and CIA launched a campaign of lies and concocted a cover-up that continues today.

A quarter of a century later, the troops nearest the explosions are dying of brain cancer at two to three times the rate of those who were farther away. Others have lung cancer or debilitating chronic diseases, and pain.

More complications lie ahead.

According to Dr. Linda Chao, a neurologist at the University of California Medical School in San Francisco, “Because part of their brains, the hippocampus, has shrunk, they’re at greater risk for Alzheimer’s and other degenerative diseases.”

At first, the DOD was adamant: No troops were exposed.

“No information…indicates that chemical or biological weapons were used in the Persian Gulf,” wrote Secretary of Defense William Perry and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs John Shalikashvili in a 1994 memo to 20,000 Desert Storm veterans. Strictly speaking, they were right: No weapons were used. The nerve agent sarin was in the fallout from the U.S. bombing or detonating of Iraq’s weapons sites.

http://www.newsweek.com/how-us-nerve-gassed-its-own-troops-then-covered-it-317250


Rumsfeld 'helped Iraq get chemical weapons'


US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld helped Saddam Hussein build up his arsenal of deadly chemical and biological weapons, it was revealed last night.
As an envoy from President Reagan 19 years ago, he had a secret meeting with the Iraqi dictator and arranged enormous military assistance for his war with Iran.
The CIA had already warned that Iraq was using chemical weapons almost daily. But Mr Rumsfeld, at the time a successful executive in the pharmaceutical industry, still made it possible for Saddam to buy supplies from American firms.
They included viruses such as anthrax and bubonic plague, according to the Washington Post.
The extraordinary details have come to light because thousands of State Department documents dealing with the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq war have just been declassified and released under the Freedom of Information Act.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-153210/Rumsfeld-helped-Iraq-chemical-weapons.html#ixzz3VoJJ1VeP

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U.S. Nerve Gas Hit Our Own Troops in Iraq (Original Post) Ichingcarpenter Mar 2015 OP
anthrax and plague are not caused by viruses jpak Mar 2015 #1
The War Crimes Case Against Donald Rumsfeld Ichingcarpenter Mar 2015 #2
I wondered about that, as well. The Daily Mail post identified as an article is undated. leveymg Mar 2015 #4
There's also the issue of depleted uranium... Scootaloo Mar 2015 #3
" U.S. Nerve Gas". So that's "kosher", then. Right? Ghost Dog Mar 2015 #5
I remember all the 'scientific' studies the Pentagon did to prove there was no Dems to Win Mar 2015 #6
This will have legs. Wellstone ruled Mar 2015 #7
I wish that was true Kelvin Mace Mar 2015 #11
K&R How The US Government and US Military Became Murder, Inc. woo me with science Mar 2015 #8
But but but malaise Mar 2015 #10
Oh dear - not the world's moral authority malaise Mar 2015 #9
US has proven, time and time again, it could give two shits valerief Mar 2015 #12
Some of us have known this. Duval Mar 2015 #13
lying pieces of shit. marym625 Mar 2015 #14
no surprise, no shock heaven05 Mar 2015 #15
I can`t for the life of me understand why democrank Mar 2015 #16
Only two words: WAR CRIMES PatrickforO Mar 2015 #17
War crimes. GoneFishin Mar 2015 #18
War Crime BrotherIvan Mar 2015 #19
K&R...nt AnotherDreamWeaver Mar 2015 #20
War crimes. Scuba Mar 2015 #21
They're all dead now. Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #22

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
2. The War Crimes Case Against Donald Rumsfeld
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 05:23 PM
Mar 2015

besides these crimes listed below he is now responsible for the ugly lingering painful deaths of american soldiers.


The War Crimes Case Against Donald Rumsfeld

http://www.alternet.org/story/44213/the_war_crimes_case_against_donald_rumsfeld


German War Crimes Complaint Against Donald Rumsfeld

http://ccrjustice.org/ourcases/current-cases/german-war-crimes-complaint-against-donald-rumsfeld,-et-al.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
4. I wondered about that, as well. The Daily Mail post identified as an article is undated.
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 05:35 PM
Mar 2015

The link is to the Daily Mail site -- http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-153210/Rumsfeld-helped-Iraq-chemical-weapons.html#ixzz3VoJJ1VeP -- and a Google search reveals a repost dated 31 Dec 2002. William Lowther's name appears on other Daily Mail articles up to 2008, so this appears to be genuine.

In addition, the essential information provided is backed up by other sources reprinted, here: http://www.theinsider.org/news/article.asp?id=241

Washington Post" newspaper article (USA)
Title: "U.S. had key role in Iraq build up"
Author: Michael Dobbs
Date: 30 Dec 2002
Page: front page

Extracts:

"Trade in Chemical Arms Allowed Despite Their Use on Iranians, Kurds"
"High on the Bush administration's list of justifications for war against Iraq are President Saddam Hussein's use of chemical weapons, nuclear and biological programs, and his contacts with international terrorists. What U.S. officials rarely acknowledge is that these offenses date back to a period when Hussein was seen in Washington as a valued ally."
"Among the people instrumental in tilting U.S. policy toward Baghdad during the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq war was Donald H. Rumsfeld, now defense secretary, whose December 1983 meeting with Hussein as a special presidential envoy paved the way for normalization of U.S.-Iraqi relations. Declassified documents show that Rumsfeld traveled to Baghdad at a time when Iraq was using chemical weapons on an 'almost daily' basis in defiance of international conventions."
"The story of U.S. involvement with Saddam Hussein in the years before his 1990 attack on Kuwait -- which included large-scale intelligence sharing, supply of cluster bombs through a Chilean front company, and facilitating Iraq's acquisition of chemical and biological precursors -- is a topical example of the underside of U.S. foreign policy. It is a world in which deals can be struck with dictators, human rights violations sometimes overlooked, and accommodations made with arms proliferators, all on the principle that the 'enemy of my enemy is my friend.'"
...
"A review of thousands of declassified government documents and interviews with former policymakers shows that U.S. intelligence and logistical support played a crucial role in shoring up Iraqi defenses against the "human wave" attacks by suicidal Iranian troops. The administrations of Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush authorized the sale to Iraq of numerous items that had both military and civilian applications, including poisonous chemicals and deadly biological viruses, such as anthrax and bubonic plague."

[ http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A52241-2002Dec29.html ]


SECONDARY SOURCE

"Daily Mail" newspaper article (UK)
Title: "Rumsfeld 'helped Iraq get chemical weapons'"
Date: 31 December 2002
Author: William Lowther
Page: front page

Extract:

"U.S. Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfield helped Saddam Hussein build up his arsenal of biological and chemical weapons, it was revealed last night."


TERTIARY SOURCE:

USA Today
Title: "U.S. supplied the kinds of germs Iraq later used for biological weapons"
Date: 30 September 2002.
[ http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2002-09-30-iraq-ushelp_x.htm ]

Extract:

"Iraq's bioweapons program that President Bush wants to eradicate got its start with help from Uncle Sam two decades ago, according to government records getting new scrutiny in light of the discussion of war against Iraq.
"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention sent samples directly to several Iraqi sites that U.N. weapons inspectors determined were part of Saddam Hussein's biological weapons program, CDC and congressional records from the early 1990s show."

QUATERNARY SOURCE:

The Guardian (UK), "Rumsfeld 'offered help to Saddam'", 31 December 2002.
[ http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,866942,00.html ]

The Reagan administration and its special Middle East envoy, Donald Rumsfeld, did little to stop Iraq developing weapons of mass destruction in the 1980s, even though they knew Saddam Hussein was using chemical weapons "almost daily" against Iran, it was reported yesterday.
US support for Baghdad during the Iran-Iraq war as a bulwark against Shi'ite militancy has been well known for some time, but using declassified government documents, the Washington Post provided new details yesterday about Mr Rumsfeld's role, and about the extent of the Reagan administration's knowledge of the use of chemical weapons.
The details will embarrass Mr Rumsfeld, who as defence secretary in the Bush administration is one of the leading hawks on Iraq, frequently denouncing it for its past use of such weapons.
The US provided less conventional military equipment than British or German companies but it did allow the export of biological agents, including anthrax; vital ingredients for chemical weapons; and cluster bombs sold by a CIA front organisation in Chile, the report says.
Intelligence on Iranian troop movements was provided, despite detailed knowledge of Iraq's use of nerve gas.
...
Mr Rumsfeld has said that he "cautioned" the Iraqi leader against using banned weapons. But there was no mention of such a warning in state department notes of the meeting.
Howard Teicher, an Iraq specialist in the Reagan White House, testified in a 1995 affidavit that the then CIA director, William Casey, used a Chilean firm, Cardoen, to send cluster bombs to use against Iran's "human wave" attacks.
A 1994 congressional inquiry also found that dozens of biological agents, including various strains of anthrax, had been shipped to Iraq by US companies, under licence from the commerce department.
Furthermore, in 1988, the Dow Chemical company sold $1.5m-worth (�930,000) of pesticides to Iraq despite suspicions they would be used for chemical warfare.
...

FURTHER READING:

"Rumsfeld cautious on Iraqi compliance", BBC News, 12 Dec 2002.
[ http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2570669.stm ]

"Donald Rumsfeld: Tough and determined", BBC News, 10 Sep 02.
[ http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2247256.stm ]

"Bush: Iraq's 'day of reckoning' looms", BBC News, 3 Jan 03.
[ http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2623601.stm ]

 

Dems to Win

(2,161 posts)
6. I remember all the 'scientific' studies the Pentagon did to prove there was no
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 06:12 PM
Mar 2015

Gulf War Syndrome. Nothing but a pack of lies.

I wonder what the long term fallout for our soldiers will be from the second Iraq War. Plenty of depleted uranium contaminating the entire country. No doubt the DOD is and will continue denying that the soldiers suffered any ill effects, at least for a couple of decades.

War is not healthy for people and other living things.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
7. This will have legs.
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 06:12 PM
Mar 2015

There are people out there that are just waiting to asked the right questions. Unfortunately,many of the people who had hands on knowledge or handled this shit on the docks here and over seas ,are long since buried. Tell you this,the CIA is one f---ed up agency. My friend called it the Collection of Ignorant Assholes.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
11. I wish that was true
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 07:21 PM
Mar 2015

This will be buried quickly, especially since both parties will help bury the story no matter who is elected, becuase BOTH parties are complicit in the coverup.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
8. K&R How The US Government and US Military Became Murder, Inc.
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 06:34 PM
Mar 2015


How The US Government and US Military Became Murder, Inc.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016118335

Physicians' Joint Report: At Least 1.3 Million Lives Lost to US-Led War on Terror
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026422076

Who profits from war? - - The Link Between War and Big Finance
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025519258

valerief

(53,235 posts)
12. US has proven, time and time again, it could give two shits
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 07:55 PM
Mar 2015

for its soldiers/veterans. US PTB doesn't give two shits for anything but its .01%.

 

Duval

(4,280 posts)
13. Some of us have known this.
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 07:56 PM
Mar 2015

My question is "what is it going to take for these criminals (from "W" down) to be prosecuted?"

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
15. no surprise, no shock
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 08:02 PM
Mar 2015

told me for decades, agent orange hadn't affected me, turns out they couldn't have been more wrong, and they really could care less about american service people. They just don't give a damn about us pawns on the geopolitical chess board. I ended up just saying, fuck them. Oh and by the way, bushco I and II will NEVER see a day where they will have to worry about what they did to these soldiers. They are sacrosanct to the PTB and the RW idiots in our political system.

democrank

(11,112 posts)
16. I can`t for the life of me understand why
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 08:31 PM
Mar 2015

stories about our use of nerve gas and chemical weapons get little media attention. Our country`s devastating use of and trade in nerve gas and chemical weapons should disgust every single one of us and there should be millions of us demanding an end to these detestable, inhumane practices.

My long-time companion is a Vietnam Vet with Agent Orange brain cancer. I can`t tell you how much heartbreak we`ve seen at various VA hospitals. Men with open, oozing sores....and worse....they`ve had for decades. The stories are all too similar. Most vets we know with problems from Agent Orange say nobody seems to know how to "cure" it. I`m telling you it`s awful, and the ones who are suffering aren`t the 5-deferment Dick Cheney types. We live in a small, rural, North Central Vermont village and there are several vets suffering from Agent Orange exposure within a 25-mile radius.

These chemical agents are horrible. So many of our troops are suffering because of them and I wish more people could see firsthand what these chemical agents and nerve gas do. It`s sickening and it`s heartbreaking.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
22. They're all dead now.
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 04:47 PM
Mar 2015

The men who made those arms deals, the men who gave them the weapons of mass destruction, the leaders of our country who ordered our troops to their country, most of the people who lived in that area, and most of the soldiers who went to fight to free them.

In 20 years, there will be a new wave of soldiers, given orders from yet another warmongering leader of our country who will all die, and be forgotten.
How many times do we have to repeat this twisted scenario of travesty before we take control of waging war from out of the hands of one man, the President?
If Congress won't stop them, then we need a referendum to get new members of Congress.
40 years of this insanity, and no one is held accountable!!

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