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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat do you say to Democrats who say they don't recognize their own party?
I attended an other-wise conservative soiree recently and bumped into the rare Democrat who commended me for being an even more rare progressive. She was dismayed and said she didn't recognize her own party and that she didn't understand where all the acrimony and division came from.
We are definitely living in odd times, because the truth is, if we vetted each other out politically it would make it impossible to come together for otherwise neutral events.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)flamin lib
(14,559 posts)I saw it the '14 election. Repubs said "I hate Obama Care" and the Dems said "Me too". Run away from the President! Don't like that guy!
Stupid assholes.
Baitball Blogger
(46,755 posts)Something is going on at the local level that is causing people to put their brains in check while they embrace corrupt local practices.
Think about it. Republicans are very adept at skirting the laws in order to acquire wealth. As long as they continue to get away with it, they become role models for everyone else.
So, you go ahead FBI, State Attorney's Office and Bar Associations and do nothing when the politicos continue to break the rules. This has gotten so out of hand that your go-to excuse that we small people can change anything at the ballots is Grade A level bullshit.
uppityperson
(115,678 posts)My solution is unclear since people are primarily emotional beings seeking "facts" to back up their emotions rather than thinking beings seeking facts to base their decisions on.
Baitball Blogger
(46,755 posts)Fear gets their attention, and money does the rest.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)Because the Republican Attorney General said that the Republican Governor did nothing illegal.
The Republican-controlled state legislature agreed.
They're ignoring the laws the former Republican Governors signed in to law 20 years ago!!!!
Baitball Blogger
(46,755 posts)The best thing we can do for the young generation is to expose the lies.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)All the laws being passed in Wisconsin and Indiana were passed in Idaho decades ago.
We had freedom to work for less wages in Idaho in 1986 . . almost 30 years ago!
Businesses, and landlords can still legally discriminate against gays in Idaho, even after 10 years of gays and gay supporters protesting the state legislature's refusal to "add the words" to our state constitution, 4 words barring discrimination against gays or transgendered citizens.
Idaho shitcanned their public education system almost 8 years ago, when the Governor cut the public education budget by a BILLION dollars, and then gave the corporations in Idaho a BILLION dollar tax cut, just to even the board out a little bit.
Idaho pushed for charter schools, and awarded their contract for internet broadband without even holding a public bidding process to do it!
The online charter school education program that Idaho chose is based in Virginia, a Christian fundamentalist group that espouses the idea that electricity is a mystery, but God works miracles!
Idaho allows concealed guns to be carried on every college campus, after refusing to hear the police department's testimony at the hearing because they said it was a bad idea.
Idaho allows any representative or Senator in the state legislature to carry a concealed weapon without having to take an education class to learn how to handle the firearm or without going through a background check.
Last month, one of the Republican Representatives in the state legislature asked an ob-gyn who testifying before their committee if a pregnant woman could swallow a camera in order to have the fetus examined in case she wanted to get an abortion!!!
See, the Republicans want all women who are considering getting an abortion to "see" what they are aborting, thinking that after they see the fetus, they will change their mind.
Oh, and lest I forget, Idaho has the highest unwed teenaged-mother rate in the country for about 15 consecutive years!!!!
I knew this state was resting on the rim of the toilet after I ran in to my old high school teacher 10 years ago.
He had already moved to Oregon a few years before.
That was when he told me that the parents of the kids that went to the same public high school I went to, were now (at that time, 10 years ago) pushing mandatory school uniforms for the students!!
They almost succeeded!!
Despite the school district's position that requiring uniforms at public high schools wasn't necessary, instead maintaining that a dress code of some kind be enough.
What was the result of that little dustup?
All 4 members of the school district that came up for re-election in the next election lost their jobs!!!
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)I grew up under Kennedy and Johnson. If those three were alive today they would not recognize their own party.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)Republican Party as not fascist enough.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)today and many of the things Nixon signed into law would never pass a Repub congress today.
cloudbase
(5,524 posts)The party left me many years ago.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)elections?
cloudbase
(5,524 posts)It's what you do after you win that's meaningful. You may find the party's rightward shift acceptable, but many of us don't.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)You could compare legislation enacted between 1980 and 1992 and from 2000 to 2008 with what was passed from 1992-2000 and from 2008-present and see which legislation you preferred.
cloudbase
(5,524 posts)Plenty of Dem support for TPP.
Welfare 'reform' under Clinton.
Overwhelming support for use of force resolutions.
The PATRIOT Act.
A few others, no doubt.
All the stuff that's anathema to liberals.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Not to mention his interventionism in Vietnam and Cuba, among other places.
LBJ brought us Vietnam and the Gulf of Tonkin resolution, which killed ten times as many Americans as Bush's Iraq debacle did.
Remember who was head of the FBI under Kennedy and LBJ?
J Edgar Hoover.
With due respect, you are mourning the good old days that never were.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)Well, one sign might be when the Democratic POTUS describes his own economic policy as "mainstream 1980s Republican" and says that in many ways Nixon was more liberal than he is.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)greatly increased the regulation of the insurance industry while also expanding coverage to millions of people with pre-existing conditions or who couldn't afford coverage. Also increased regulations on Wall Street, did more for the renewable energy sector of our economy than every president before him conbined, got DADT repealed, had the DOJ refuse to defend DOMA.
Oh, and he also started the normalization of relations with Cuba.
And his policies helped the country emerge from the worst economic crisis in 80 years.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)stood solidly in support of civil rights for people of all races?
Because that wasn't the case in the 1940s, the 1950s, the 1960s, the 1970s, the 1980s.
It began to come true in the 1990's and again in the 2000s.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)annihilated in consecutive elections. I can't say I know why Democrats would think we should go back to those days.
The one thing that's changed in the past 50 years is that the Democrats lost the Dixiecrat vote. The Southern Strategy.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)He was a garden variety liberal, very much in the main stream of our party...IMHO, he lost because the economy seemed to be improving, America was thought to be on its feet again, and Reagan captured the zeitgeist...
Dukakis just had the wrong electorate...If he had Obama's electorate he might have won...
Many folks here see the Democratic party in the image of themselves, a progressive party, when in fact it has always been a slightly left of center catch all party...
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)But that required adapting to a conservative electorate where the white racists had all migrated to the Republicans.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)If that doesn't illustrate the Republican's challenge nothing does.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)The next Democratic nominee is going to have to hug Obama pretty closely at the end of the day--because they'll need him to GOTV.
uppityperson
(115,678 posts)Republicans and Democrats traded stances on pretty much everything. Before them the Repubs were for the people, Democrats for the bosses.
The party has changed in my lifetime also. I don't have an answer how to work together, get past the acrimony and divisions beyond trying to listen together, to work together, run for offices we can run for.
Those who think everyone should think and feel the same are typically the conservatives and because of those beliefs they can work together to get power which then hurts everyone. Those who believe we should be tolerant of our differences, embrace them, and help each other too often do not work together, being each for themselves because why would or should we tell each other how to feel or what to do and then we end up not having power. Dogs guarding a bone vs cats hanging out in the sun.
Andy823
(11,495 posts)Tell them if they aren't happy get busy and find new candidates that will be more in line with what they want to see the party doing. Right know all those who complain, trash and bash members of the party who might be running for president, are doing is helping republicans! The right wants to divide the party and turn them into the same "circus" we had in 2012 with the republican party going at each other. The saw the damage that was done and now want to turn the tables on democrats.
What democrats should be doing is promoting the candidate they would like to see win the nomination. All the hate filled attacks we keep seeing daily here on DU are not helping. You don't have to like any of the other candidates, but if you really have a problem, the pick the one you want and push their agenda forwards so every can see just how good that candidate might be over all the others.
Instead of digging up dirt on other democrats, why not just promote the one you want? I have see some start doing that here already, and I admire them, but if all you got is bash, and trash, then you only help the other side, and that's not what we need.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)It would be impossible not to and the division has historically been the same as current day politics. Messaging has completely changed with technology and things are much quicker today. A party without division is a party of one.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)The pull of Citizens United is strong, and so is the smell.
Nice to see us sorta-kinda leading on marriage and pay equality, but on the bigger money issues, we are starting to stink.
"Let's build a better one" is really a better answer, so I think I'll take that advice.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)When getting elected requires massive amounts of money and the Supreme Court codifies legalized bribery in the form of campaign contributions our democracy becomes irreparably corrupt.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Dear Straight People,
As long as you have 29 States with legal discrimination in employment against LGBT people, you look fairly silly claiming that LGBT issues are not money issues.
Sincerely,
Me
Orsino
(37,428 posts)I was only trying to distinguish between people's wallets and Big Money.
Dems seem to be sorta getting sexual equality right, as opposed to finance, in which we too strongly resemble the GOP. While I don't consider human rights less important, Big Money sure does, hence or being allowed to slip sideways into marriage equality even as our paychecks are looted.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)And you speak of marriage equality when I speak of equal protections in employment. That is a human right, we do not have. You do.
You look silly, straight folks, discriminating against us while claiming that you do not, that it is really all about money. How smug you all are. Wallowing in privilege. It's about jobs, not being hired, being fired for being LGBT. That's a looting, a mugging a robbery.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Big Money doesn't care much about those until they impact the bottom line.
No big corporation is ever going to demand rights on our behalf, because corporations aren't people. I'm not saying that human rights aren't vital--money is.
JI7
(89,262 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,755 posts)I think the battle to save this country's soul will be fought one enclave at a time. It will require exposing how these pro-discrimination factions have completely co-opted the status quos in their local areas.
YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)A "middle class" that was mostly straight, white, male, and native-born.
Women and minorities have political and civil rights? The Democrats of old wouldn't have recognized that.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)is the Republican party of 2015.
IF people want that change to be positive, they must be active in electing representaives that reflects, as close as possible what they want the party of 2017 to be.
Then, I try to learn what part of the Democratic party of 2014 they don't like and what part they like.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)They pine away for the day when the minorities they don't like were better contained and not presuming to take part in their precious Party.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)It's from the Clintons who are sore losers and have no ethical standards.