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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPeople have long memories over what Indiana has done. The youth will remember this, many
talented people will remember this. Many people do not like discrimination in all walks of life, any type of discrimination.
I recall well trying to attract employees to some states. It's not an easy task if a state has a bad reputation. They just refuse to go. And that will last, many potential employees check out states quite well. Many do not want to live in a sea of discrimination and lack of diversity.
Times are changing. Those states clinging to backwardness are going to be in for a shock, they will not be part of the economic future of the 21st century.
marym625
(17,997 posts)Very true. Good piece. Thank you
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)niyad
(113,496 posts)sheshe2
(83,833 posts)Sticker shock so to speak, Baggers tried to stick it LGBT and take away their equal rights. Their constitutional rights. They will pay for that, now we will stick it to them. Sorry Indiana, I know it is not all of you, it is your hateful Reps.
Thank you for you Op, RKP.
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)be handed to all states seeking to strip rights from any group. We need to all band together and be just as vocal in all cases, whether it is around race, LGBTQ issues, or the rights of women.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)No exceptions be it LGBT, women, whomever.
kelly1mm
(4,734 posts)in discrimination with Prop 8.
Just because it was overturned does not get them off the hook at all!
Haters, haters, haters. F that state!
Cha
(297,446 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)They cut education, cut wages,and all but burn union officals at the stake, and they wonder why a lot of high tech emplyees avoid it like a leper.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Oh, but, I forgot. We're not supposed to talk about that! Shhh!
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)If I was someone from a high-tech firm, why would I go somewhere why, despite being the 4th largest state, soon to be the third largest, had NO colleges in the top ten? It is not like we do not have the numbers; the largest campus in the nation is Central Florida, almost 30,000 strong, alogn with my alma mater, USF, 20,000, despite the fact that a certain scion named J.D. Alexander keeps poaching our campuses in the hopes of developing his land. But of course, what is the main focus of colleges in Florida, Football!,which is why yes, we win championships, but our degrees are worthless. Keep in mind this is depsite the fact that we have Nasa and Disney, two companies that should soak up native STEM students like a dry sponge, but that have to wind up importing talent.
But, what also helps this is the fact that we have Amusement park sized churches that do not even pretend not to bark orders to the government. Every Election, the churches will fill with people like Mike Huckabee, and provide the sort of built in organzation to ensure that anti-gay legislation gets passed. As Jeb himself recently bragged, Florida had this law before Indiana did. Of course, to give devils their due, we also have the real source of the GOP Power, aka the Florida Democratic party whose main job is to support Debbie Wasserman Schultz and keep the democratic platform just a half-hair width to the left of the Tea party.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)I picked one in Florida he would not help me out. Massachusetts was perfect, but Florida was an absolute no, as were a number of other states.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)Yes, all schools in Dixie have a bit of Football and SAE nonsense, but Florida, it cannot be forgotten, had no tradtion to temper it. Yes, the Florida self described "Crackers" can talk about how mystical things were before things got developed, days of bars powered by generators where fights broke out, but the truth is, Florida has always attracted pirates and rascals, and it shows by how outright agressive and savage the "natives" get.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)The state will get poorer and poorer, and more and more conservative, as younger people flee.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Last edited Tue Mar 31, 2015, 03:32 PM - Edit history (1)
as would be other states. Some states are just stuck in the past and with some of the hateful negative attitudes of the past. Other states are moving forward, that's where I would be as would have all of my friends. Way back, we had a list of states we would never want to live in.
I listened to Pence's press conference today, my take away was it was everyone else's fault per Pence ... we just weren't smart enough to see his law was all about no discrimination and it was our fault, he said we smeared his law. I thought his press conference was a bunch of BS as did many others watching it with me. He was spreading a bunch of BS as CYA.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)Because a poorer, older state acts more like the Confederacy than the rest of the nation. Do not forget, the Klan once had the giovernment in Indiana, and some of those old sheet folks want it all back.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)hatred they want and it will be there in Indiana.
edhopper
(33,599 posts)but the voters in 2010 forgot the GOP almost destroyed the country two years earlier.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)of my endless WTF's in life.
edhopper
(33,599 posts)that the GOP was responsible for the Great Depression for decades.
Now, a couple of years after an economic meltdown, a disastrous, immoral war and the apathetic response to a drowning American City. And it's "don't remember shit."
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)perpetual optimist, but I don't have much optimism left. I just see way too many red flags.
AlinPA
(15,071 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)loving backward RW crap will migrate to states in love with that, and those forward thinking and moving into the future will abandon the red states.
Often I wonder if we are moving back into some type of civil war. It's sad, it's pathetic, but I do wonder. So many just seem to want to champion and live in a sea of bigotry, persecution and hatred. I also think the crackpot index in the US is ever increasing as the US seems to descend into Idiocracy. Is the middle east the US at some point in the future ...
AlinPA
(15,071 posts)anti-intellectualism and anti government attitudes. The red state-blue state split looks a lot like the civil war era and the only thing missing is the violence of that time.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Lars39
(26,110 posts)Covers cycle of poverty of knowledge, too.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)It's not the voter's job to serve the party. It's the party's job to turn out the voters. We failed to do so in 2010.
2008: Democrats run on "We can make things better". Get big turnout.
2010: Democrats run on "I'M SO SORRY WE CHANGED THINGS! But we're not as bad as Republicans!". Gets shitty turnout.
2012: Democrats run on "We made some things better, and are trying to make more things better". Gets big turnout.
2014: Democrats run on "I'M SO SORRY WE TRIED TO CHANGE THINGS! And Obama sucks! But we're not as bad as Republicans!". Gets shitty turnout.
Voters didn't forget anything in 2010 (or 2014). We gave the disgruntled nothing to show up for. All we offered was fear.
edhopper
(33,599 posts)Unless you think people can't think for themselves and remember two fucking years after the shit happened.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)If fear of Republicans motivates you, that's fine. But you should not expect everyone to be motivated by fear.
Turnout is always small in midterms.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Except for the part where we won big in 2006.
Give people a reason to vote for Democrats, and we win. Only give people fear about Republicans, and we lose.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)Again totally predictable win and if you think we didn't run on the fear of Bush in that election you are kidding yourself.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)it's because of any other reason you can desperately find.
So why'd we win 1998? Or 1986?
Egnever
(21,506 posts)And you know this.
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/mid-term_elections.php
Only time it didn't happen the sitting president had huge approval ratings. Even then it only happened twice.
Skittles
(153,170 posts)Egnever
(21,506 posts)The American public doesn't remember last week. You are dreaming if you think they will remember this. He'll they have already forgotten the horror that was Bush and he did way more damage than this law.
edhopper
(33,599 posts)mulsh
(2,959 posts)chattering classes about the KKK pretty much controlling Indiana in the 1920's. Perhaps racist beliefs run longer than memories.
[link:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Klan|