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RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 10:14 PM Mar 2015

People have long memories over what Indiana has done. The youth will remember this, many

talented people will remember this. Many people do not like discrimination in all walks of life, any type of discrimination.

I recall well trying to attract employees to some states. It's not an easy task if a state has a bad reputation. They just refuse to go. And that will last, many potential employees check out states quite well. Many do not want to live in a sea of discrimination and lack of diversity.

Times are changing. Those states clinging to backwardness are going to be in for a shock, they will not be part of the economic future of the 21st century.

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People have long memories over what Indiana has done. The youth will remember this, many (Original Post) RKP5637 Mar 2015 OP
K&R! marym625 Mar 2015 #1
Thanks! n/t RKP5637 Mar 2015 #23
colorado still has some vestigal taint as the "hate state", even though amendment 2 is no more. niyad Mar 2015 #2
Yes we do have long memories. sheshe2 Mar 2015 #3
The same memory and sticker shock must Skidmore Mar 2015 #15
This, is really what needs to occur. As one of my friends has always said, Equal = Equal. RKP5637 Mar 2015 #22
I still boycott California because of their VOTERS (which in a way is worse) voting kelly1mm Mar 2015 #4
Yeah, this is only the tip of the Iceberg for the Haters of Indiana.. Mahalo RKP! Cha Mar 2015 #5
Florida has already learned this DonCoquixote Mar 2015 #6
Exactly!!! Sandy beaches only go so far!!! n/t RKP5637 Mar 2015 #7
And a lot of those beaches, if not all of them, will probably be gone within a few decades. Arugula Latte Mar 2015 #10
They'll deport you if you mention global warming. Just how stupid can stupid get. Flora Duh! n/t RKP5637 Mar 2015 #20
It goes beyond beaches DonCoquixote Mar 2015 #11
I recall well my father telling me when I was young and looking for colleges if RKP5637 Mar 2015 #19
your father was wise DonCoquixote Mar 2015 #29
IN is already a net-outflow state. This is just going to accelerate that. jeff47 Mar 2015 #8
That's what I think too. If I were young today, Indiana would be on the bottom of my list to live RKP5637 Mar 2015 #9
and that is a feature, not a side effect DonCoquixote Mar 2015 #13
I was reading recently about all of the hate groups in Indiana. One just has to pick what type of RKP5637 Mar 2015 #18
I wish that were true edhopper Mar 2015 #12
Yeah, sometimes they have very short memories, just amazing. One more RKP5637 Mar 2015 #14
My parents remembered edhopper Mar 2015 #16
It's all quite depressing and distressing to see where this country is headed. I used to be a RKP5637 Mar 2015 #17
...and red states. AlinPA Mar 2015 #21
Sometimes I wonder if the US is going to fracture. My hunch is more and more people RKP5637 Mar 2015 #24
I often think we are a broken country, split badly over these issues surrounding bigotry, religion, AlinPA Mar 2015 #25
I'm concerned that's want some want to ratchet it up to, all of the guns, ammunition, etc. n/t RKP5637 Mar 2015 #26
"Rags to riches and back again in 3 generations" Lars39 Apr 2015 #39
No, our party failed. jeff47 Mar 2015 #27
i disagree edhopper Mar 2015 #28
Again, all you offer is fear. jeff47 Apr 2015 #30
Silly Egnever Apr 2015 #32
Yeah, that's why we lost 2006. jeff47 Apr 2015 #34
2006 we were running against George Egnever Apr 2015 #36
So we always lose midterms, except when we win them. And when we win them jeff47 Apr 2015 #37
The sitting president typically loses midterms yes Egnever Apr 2015 #40
they will forget again in a couple of years Skittles Apr 2015 #38
Ahahaha Egnever Apr 2015 #31
yes, exactly edhopper Apr 2015 #33
I hope people's memories are run longer and deeper. I haven't heard a word from the media or mulsh Apr 2015 #35

sheshe2

(83,833 posts)
3. Yes we do have long memories.
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 10:34 PM
Mar 2015

Sticker shock so to speak, Baggers tried to stick it LGBT and take away their equal rights. Their constitutional rights. They will pay for that, now we will stick it to them. Sorry Indiana, I know it is not all of you, it is your hateful Reps.

Thank you for you Op, RKP.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
15. The same memory and sticker shock must
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 07:12 PM
Mar 2015

be handed to all states seeking to strip rights from any group. We need to all band together and be just as vocal in all cases, whether it is around race, LGBTQ issues, or the rights of women.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
22. This, is really what needs to occur. As one of my friends has always said, Equal = Equal.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 08:14 PM
Mar 2015

No exceptions be it LGBT, women, whomever.

kelly1mm

(4,734 posts)
4. I still boycott California because of their VOTERS (which in a way is worse) voting
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 10:58 PM
Mar 2015

in discrimination with Prop 8.

Just because it was overturned does not get them off the hook at all!

Haters, haters, haters. F that state!

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
6. Florida has already learned this
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 01:19 AM
Mar 2015

They cut education, cut wages,and all but burn union officals at the stake, and they wonder why a lot of high tech emplyees avoid it like a leper.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
10. And a lot of those beaches, if not all of them, will probably be gone within a few decades.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 12:33 PM
Mar 2015

Oh, but, I forgot. We're not supposed to talk about that! Shhh!

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
11. It goes beyond beaches
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 07:04 PM
Mar 2015

If I was someone from a high-tech firm, why would I go somewhere why, despite being the 4th largest state, soon to be the third largest, had NO colleges in the top ten? It is not like we do not have the numbers; the largest campus in the nation is Central Florida, almost 30,000 strong, alogn with my alma mater, USF, 20,000, despite the fact that a certain scion named J.D. Alexander keeps poaching our campuses in the hopes of developing his land. But of course, what is the main focus of colleges in Florida, Football!,which is why yes, we win championships, but our degrees are worthless. Keep in mind this is depsite the fact that we have Nasa and Disney, two companies that should soak up native STEM students like a dry sponge, but that have to wind up importing talent.

But, what also helps this is the fact that we have Amusement park sized churches that do not even pretend not to bark orders to the government. Every Election, the churches will fill with people like Mike Huckabee, and provide the sort of built in organzation to ensure that anti-gay legislation gets passed. As Jeb himself recently bragged, Florida had this law before Indiana did. Of course, to give devils their due, we also have the real source of the GOP Power, aka the Florida Democratic party whose main job is to support Debbie Wasserman Schultz and keep the democratic platform just a half-hair width to the left of the Tea party.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
19. I recall well my father telling me when I was young and looking for colleges if
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 08:08 PM
Mar 2015

I picked one in Florida he would not help me out. Massachusetts was perfect, but Florida was an absolute no, as were a number of other states.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
29. your father was wise
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 11:13 PM
Mar 2015

Yes, all schools in Dixie have a bit of Football and SAE nonsense, but Florida, it cannot be forgotten, had no tradtion to temper it. Yes, the Florida self described "Crackers" can talk about how mystical things were before things got developed, days of bars powered by generators where fights broke out, but the truth is, Florida has always attracted pirates and rascals, and it shows by how outright agressive and savage the "natives" get.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
8. IN is already a net-outflow state. This is just going to accelerate that.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 12:19 PM
Mar 2015

The state will get poorer and poorer, and more and more conservative, as younger people flee.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
9. That's what I think too. If I were young today, Indiana would be on the bottom of my list to live
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 12:27 PM
Mar 2015

Last edited Tue Mar 31, 2015, 03:32 PM - Edit history (1)

as would be other states. Some states are just stuck in the past and with some of the hateful negative attitudes of the past. Other states are moving forward, that's where I would be as would have all of my friends. Way back, we had a list of states we would never want to live in.

I listened to Pence's press conference today, my take away was it was everyone else's fault per Pence ... we just weren't smart enough to see his law was all about no discrimination and it was our fault, he said we smeared his law. I thought his press conference was a bunch of BS as did many others watching it with me. He was spreading a bunch of BS as CYA.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
13. and that is a feature, not a side effect
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 07:08 PM
Mar 2015

Because a poorer, older state acts more like the Confederacy than the rest of the nation. Do not forget, the Klan once had the giovernment in Indiana, and some of those old sheet folks want it all back.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
18. I was reading recently about all of the hate groups in Indiana. One just has to pick what type of
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 08:04 PM
Mar 2015

hatred they want and it will be there in Indiana.

edhopper

(33,599 posts)
12. I wish that were true
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 07:07 PM
Mar 2015

but the voters in 2010 forgot the GOP almost destroyed the country two years earlier.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
14. Yeah, sometimes they have very short memories, just amazing. One more
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 07:10 PM
Mar 2015

of my endless WTF's in life.

edhopper

(33,599 posts)
16. My parents remembered
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 07:57 PM
Mar 2015

that the GOP was responsible for the Great Depression for decades.
Now, a couple of years after an economic meltdown, a disastrous, immoral war and the apathetic response to a drowning American City. And it's "don't remember shit."

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
17. It's all quite depressing and distressing to see where this country is headed. I used to be a
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 08:02 PM
Mar 2015

perpetual optimist, but I don't have much optimism left. I just see way too many red flags.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
24. Sometimes I wonder if the US is going to fracture. My hunch is more and more people
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 08:25 PM
Mar 2015

loving backward RW crap will migrate to states in love with that, and those forward thinking and moving into the future will abandon the red states.

Often I wonder if we are moving back into some type of civil war. It's sad, it's pathetic, but I do wonder. So many just seem to want to champion and live in a sea of bigotry, persecution and hatred. I also think the crackpot index in the US is ever increasing as the US seems to descend into Idiocracy. Is the middle east the US at some point in the future ...

AlinPA

(15,071 posts)
25. I often think we are a broken country, split badly over these issues surrounding bigotry, religion,
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 08:36 PM
Mar 2015

anti-intellectualism and anti government attitudes. The red state-blue state split looks a lot like the civil war era and the only thing missing is the violence of that time.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
27. No, our party failed.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 10:08 PM
Mar 2015

It's not the voter's job to serve the party. It's the party's job to turn out the voters. We failed to do so in 2010.

2008: Democrats run on "We can make things better". Get big turnout.

2010: Democrats run on "I'M SO SORRY WE CHANGED THINGS! But we're not as bad as Republicans!". Gets shitty turnout.

2012: Democrats run on "We made some things better, and are trying to make more things better". Gets big turnout.

2014: Democrats run on "I'M SO SORRY WE TRIED TO CHANGE THINGS! And Obama sucks! But we're not as bad as Republicans!". Gets shitty turnout.

Voters didn't forget anything in 2010 (or 2014). We gave the disgruntled nothing to show up for. All we offered was fear.

edhopper

(33,599 posts)
28. i disagree
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 10:52 PM
Mar 2015

Unless you think people can't think for themselves and remember two fucking years after the shit happened.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
30. Again, all you offer is fear.
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 10:00 AM
Apr 2015

If fear of Republicans motivates you, that's fine. But you should not expect everyone to be motivated by fear.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
34. Yeah, that's why we lost 2006.
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 10:24 AM
Apr 2015

Except for the part where we won big in 2006.

Give people a reason to vote for Democrats, and we win. Only give people fear about Republicans, and we lose.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
36. 2006 we were running against George
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 04:21 PM
Apr 2015

Again totally predictable win and if you think we didn't run on the fear of Bush in that election you are kidding yourself.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
37. So we always lose midterms, except when we win them. And when we win them
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 10:16 PM
Apr 2015

it's because of any other reason you can desperately find.

So why'd we win 1998? Or 1986?

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
40. The sitting president typically loses midterms yes
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 11:26 AM
Apr 2015

And you know this.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/mid-term_elections.php

Only time it didn't happen the sitting president had huge approval ratings. Even then it only happened twice.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
31. Ahahaha
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 10:08 AM
Apr 2015

The American public doesn't remember last week. You are dreaming if you think they will remember this. He'll they have already forgotten the horror that was Bush and he did way more damage than this law.

mulsh

(2,959 posts)
35. I hope people's memories are run longer and deeper. I haven't heard a word from the media or
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 11:34 AM
Apr 2015

chattering classes about the KKK pretty much controlling Indiana in the 1920's. Perhaps racist beliefs run longer than memories.

[link:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Klan|

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