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HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 02:11 PM Mar 2015

Somone seems to have tremendous need to get information leaked on the Germanwings crash

CNN now reports video exists from interior of passenger cabin as plane crashes. The video or a transcript of it is in the hands of a French tabloid...

We are now pretty much in unique territory with respect to stream-of-discovery release of what is typically confidential information and the handling of highly emotionally sensitive information.

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Somone seems to have tremendous need to get information leaked on the Germanwings crash (Original Post) HereSince1628 Mar 2015 OP
I cant imagine the horror in those videos. NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #1
I can't imagine a professional crash investigator putting this in play at this time HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #2
Seriously, you have to ask what could drive this? $$$$$ mnhtnbb Mar 2015 #3
As a poster I DO have to remain -inside- GD rules about posting conspiracy theories. HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #4
The story in Paris Match indicates that it and a German tabloid--Bild-- have access to the video. mnhtnbb Mar 2015 #5
The way it was reported on CNN seemed to lean on the French tabloid, I know nothing HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #7
Huh? ksoze Mar 2015 #6
As it says at the top of page 1 of GD: HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #9
I know, so what are you saying? ksoze Mar 2015 #10
There is no doubt these leaks are highly unusual...even unprecedented HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #11
The French & German press are not like ours ksoze Mar 2015 #13
The press might be different...but crash investigation really hasn't been that different HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #16
What precisely about the leaks are unprecedented? LanternWaste Mar 2015 #20
I think as a matter of timing, critical information isn't leaked to protect the investigation HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #22
I don't get it... Agschmid Mar 2015 #8
The a320 is produced by Airbus--a French company HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #14
Yup. n/t Yo_Mama Mar 2015 #12
here's the CNN report Baclava Mar 2015 #15
I'm pretty sure I couldn't sleep peacefully again if I ever saw or heard that video riderinthestorm Mar 2015 #17
I suspect a majority of people would find this very disturbing HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #18
Thumb through a French or German tabloid sometime... ksoze Mar 2015 #19
I'm surprised to see that leaked Blue_Tires Mar 2015 #21

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
1. I cant imagine the horror in those videos.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 02:14 PM
Mar 2015

I have finally managed to fly without drugs, or minimal ativan.

So minimal I barely notice it.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
2. I can't imagine a professional crash investigator putting this in play at this time
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 02:21 PM
Mar 2015

I can't speak to families reactions, which might be dreadful, or their desires to know -everything- as it's likely this varies by each person surviving a victim.

But this is really unusual, it's looking like a program to push emotions and blame in a particular direction.

All I do is ask, other than culpability what could drive this stream of escaping information? It goes way beyond dribbling that could be called leaking.



HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
4. As a poster I DO have to remain -inside- GD rules about posting conspiracy theories.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 02:33 PM
Mar 2015

So all I can do is ask a question.

Personally, I find it odd but possibly ultimately coincidental that much of this comes via French tabloid about a crash of an airframe made by a French company and that most of the leaks have come from a French prosecutor's office rather than transportation safety official...

Regardless of my personal doubts and tinfoil thinking...this amount of leaking is pretty unprecedented...to the point of raising questions about what's driving the information leaks.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
7. The way it was reported on CNN seemed to lean on the French tabloid, I know nothing
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 02:38 PM
Mar 2015

except what I encountered via the US media.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
9. As it says at the top of page 1 of GD:
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 02:40 PM
Mar 2015

Discuss politics, issues, and current events. Posts about Israel/Palestine, religion, guns, showbiz, or sports are restricted in this forum. Conspiracy theories and disruptive meta-discussion are forbidden.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
11. There is no doubt these leaks are highly unusual...even unprecedented
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 02:46 PM
Mar 2015

that's not in question

Asking what could be behind such an unusual and unlikely to be accidental string of events it isn't posting a conspiracy...it's asking a question.

ksoze

(2,068 posts)
13. The French & German press are not like ours
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 02:50 PM
Mar 2015

They will print anything and without second sources. You may be confusing their direct reporting nature compared to ours.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
16. The press might be different...but crash investigation really hasn't been that different
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 02:59 PM
Mar 2015

in the past.

I don't really blame the media. They want to publish news, especially news that sizzles and sells advertising.

But, the information reaching the press is coming out of the investigation.

Typically in such investigations discoveries are held confidential to prevent pollution of the investigation by persons seeking attention or pursuing grievances. The media are of cource keen on publishing stories, without concern for the investigation, or -honestly- much concern about bending stories to make them sell soap.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
20. What precisely about the leaks are unprecedented?
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 03:35 PM
Mar 2015

What precisely (rather than a general allegation) about the leaks are unprecedented?

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
22. I think as a matter of timing, critical information isn't leaked to protect the investigation
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 03:44 PM
Mar 2015

what's emerging is information that's crucial to confirm in an information environment that isn't polluted.

Typically after months of investigation and preparing a narrative, the investigation report is released. It can certainly include all the sort of information that's being released.

The difference is investigations usually try to protect themselves and the pursuit of the truth from the sorts of spurious information that arise from this sort of leaking.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
14. The a320 is produced by Airbus--a French company
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 02:54 PM
Mar 2015

that apparently assembles this airframe in both France and Germany

I would think Airbus, like any other manufacturer, has an interest in not having a design feature blamed as contributing to a crash.

I would think Lufthansa, the operator has interest in not having operating procedures or crew selection/training/airworthiness blamed as contributing to the crash.

Do such interests raise anything other than questions? Not at this time. But the reporting, and consequently the leaking, involved in this investigation is in very rare territory.

 

Baclava

(12,047 posts)
15. here's the CNN report
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 02:58 PM
Mar 2015
Reports: Video found in wreckage shows Germanwings flight's final seconds

Dusseldorf, Germany (CNN)Video found in the wreckage on a French mountainside shows the nightmarish final seconds of Germanwings Flight 9525, reports said Tuesday.

Taken on a cell phone, the video "was so chaotic that it was hard to identify people, but the sounds of the screaming passengers made it perfectly clear that they were aware of what was about to happen to them," according to the French magazine Paris Match, which obtained the video along with the German newspaper Bild.

"One can hear cries of 'My God' in several languages. Metallic banging can also be heard more than three times, perhaps of the pilot trying to open the cockpit door with a heavy object. Towards the end, after a heavy shake, stronger than the others, the screaming intensifies. Then nothing," Paris Match reports.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/31/europe/france-germanwings-plane-crash-main/index.html?referer
 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
17. I'm pretty sure I couldn't sleep peacefully again if I ever saw or heard that video
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 03:13 PM
Mar 2015

profoundly sad.

The nightmares for me would be relentless...

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
18. I suspect a majority of people would find this very disturbing
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 03:28 PM
Mar 2015

Such news is not what I would want a relative to first discover via a tabloid.

Something is pretty unusual with the people handling sensitive confidential information.

ksoze

(2,068 posts)
19. Thumb through a French or German tabloid sometime...
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 03:30 PM
Mar 2015

It makes our supermarket tabloids look like Dr. Suess books.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
21. I'm surprised to see that leaked
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 03:36 PM
Mar 2015

The BEA shouldn't let that video see the light of day for years, if ever...

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