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TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 04:17 PM Mar 2015

OMG I'm going to be thrown into the street!

I've not said much on DU lately because I've been so busy trying to save my own life. The district court ran roughshod all over my rights and PA law and went ahead with a hearing a mere few days after I first found out my slumlord wanted to evict me. The slumlord never served a Notice to Quit on me and the court knew that and scheduled a hearing anyway. I even said this to the judge at the hearing I had no other choice but to go to and he just ignored it. He let her blab on and on slandering both me and innocent people like the plumber though he did say he didn't believe her. At least I was able to get him to see the photos of the worst of the damage but other than that he wouldn't even let me speak in my own defense even when I had evidence to refute her epic lies.

The judge got a township inspector in to inspect the property which I'd been trying to do for a week but I wasn't allowed to speak to him or point out anything he missed! During the next hearing after the inspection the judge talked about the inspector's report which I didn't get a copy of and wasn't even allowed to see! I don't even know what was being talked about concerning the report during the hearing between the slumlord and the judge. Every time it was my turn to speak he just interrupted me as soon as I opened my mouth not letting me refute a thing she said like saying I never paid a security deposit when I had proof with me with her signature of the original document she signed accounting for all the money I paid her when I signed the lease which included first and last month's rent and security deposit.

A few days later I get the judgment in the mail which I couldn't even understand. After talking to the idiot clerks in his office it looks like I can stay here but I have only 10 days from the date of the judgment to pay her around $2000 or I can appeal to the county court. By the time I got the judgment in the mail and figured out what it means I have a mere FOUR DAYS to either appeal or get this money into her hand or the constable comes to throw me out on the street and everything I own gets put on the curb and/or the slumlord gets to keep it!!!

Right after the hearing she started harassing me. I knew she was nuts but had no idea she was this psycho. I had to warn the plumber and all his workers and all the agents in the code enforcement office. The plumber already knew she was batty and called me to tell me what she was trying to do and beware. Since then it's been harassing phone calls. Yesterday I went to the police station to ask an officer for advice... really nice and helpful guy. A few hours after that came another of her phone calls that I actually answered this time to tell her that I spoke to the police and that she has to stop harassing me. True to form she went completely off her nut. Scared the hell out of me, so I called the police again and an officer came over. Different one this time, and this one I've met before from walking Yoshi around the police station since it's also a big park and his favorite place to go. Very nice guy, got me calmed down a little, gave me some more advice and said they'd keep an eye on my street and a look out for her and to report to them anything else that she does. He thought she'd done this before since what she was doing kept herself just a hair off the line from at what point they could do something and he warned me that she's likely to escalate and that he thinks Yoshi will keep her out of barging into the house.

Legal aid has been no help. They told me I should file an appeal which is what I'd prefer as it would be cheaper except that it's not cheaper. It's a lot more expensive than paying her this blood money to stay here while I try to find a job so I CAN get out. I'd probably also need an attorney since I don't know what I'm doing and don't even have the time to do it. Since I found out about the hearing I've had no time to gather all the evidence I needed (though I did get most of it) and have barely had any time to sleep much less even think about getting a job.

I desperately need help. At this point I've been beaten down so badly by both the slumlord and the court I can't even think straight anymore. I've been so mentally and emotionally battered that right now I'm really feeling like if the most fabulous job in the world dropped into my lap I wouldn't be able to handle doing it.

I don't have anywhere to go or even anywhere to store my stuff. I'm beside myself with terror about what's going to happen not just to me but to Yoshi who for so long has been the only thing forcing me out of bed every day and to keep plugging away. I can't lose him. I won't. But I won't let either of us live on the street either. Yet I have nowhere to go, not even a piece of floor to borrow from anyone, and I'm struggling as it is just to try to keep the electricity, water, phone and internet on as well as eat and have my meds, too.

OMG, I'm so scared and I just don't know what to do.


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OMG I'm going to be thrown into the street! (Original Post) TorchTheWitch Mar 2015 OP
Call Catholic Charities. It's what they do. Lochloosa Mar 2015 #1
+1--also the methodists librechik Apr 2015 #305
This thread, tbis post, it needs to end. 7wo7rees Apr 2015 #410
I'm not sure why you responded to my post in this manner. Lochloosa Apr 2015 #414
So sad to hear that.... mylye2222 Mar 2015 #2
Is there a neighbor, friend or relative you could stay with temporarily or who CTyankee Mar 2015 #3
+1, check with friends and relatives for help, that is one of the first things to do dissentient Mar 2015 #20
been there done that TorchTheWitch Mar 2015 #22
Keep trying Catholic Charities...I cannot believe they would totally desert the homeless CTyankee Mar 2015 #32
I'll be trying them again tomorrow TorchTheWitch Mar 2015 #47
so far I can't find anything on the website for help TorchTheWitch Mar 2015 #60
The site worked fine for me. cwydro Mar 2015 #121
Go Fund Me is about people donating to you. merrily Apr 2015 #157
Have you ASKED your family for help? missingthebigdog Mar 2015 #132
Yes, I asked. I BEGGED TorchTheWitch Apr 2015 #165
pls send your addy again, I got some money leftover irisblue Mar 2015 #4
God almighty she's doing it again! TorchTheWitch Mar 2015 #5
Stay strong my friend... mylye2222 Mar 2015 #6
Set up a GoFundMe site for $2000. That's nothing. You'll... JaneyVee Mar 2015 #7
Absolutely, set it up & you'll get 2K fast, saw it before. We're here for you, NOW. appalachiablue Mar 2015 #15
I have a paypal account - would gofundme be better? TorchTheWitch Mar 2015 #18
Check with #7. I'm not tech smart. Maybe both, unless confusing. appalachiablue Mar 2015 #25
Ok, I have to use my real name at gofundme TorchTheWitch Mar 2015 #116
Here is another DUer that needed help Omaha Steve Mar 2015 #120
All you have to do... It is Tuesday Mar 2015 #125
Do you want help or to simply whinge? riderinthestorm Mar 2015 #127
DU helped me when I was in trouble! Marrah_G Apr 2015 #160
I'm a bit puzzled as to why you are trying so hard to SheilaT Mar 2015 #8
because I have nowhere to go TorchTheWitch Mar 2015 #17
Set up a GoFundMe It is Tuesday Mar 2015 #24
appealing is what I'd like to do TorchTheWitch Mar 2015 #36
Wait a minute... pipi_k Mar 2015 #134
I think that one was a paypal account Sissyk Mar 2015 #137
It says gofundme? merrily Apr 2015 #158
i never used gofundme then TorchTheWitch Apr 2015 #163
OK I just reread that thread again pipi_k Apr 2015 #172
That is a good strategy for evaluating JimDandy Apr 2015 #213
Here is what I know... pipi_k Apr 2015 #274
Yes, and as another poster pointed out. cwydro Apr 2015 #220
Sorry I don't buy this bs story ... sunnystarr Apr 2015 #248
How did she get you fired? cwydro Mar 2015 #89
all the stuff falling apart here that I had to deal with TorchTheWitch Apr 2015 #152
How did pipi_k Apr 2015 #173
Looks like a year of unemployment. cwydro Apr 2015 #240
When you have a water heater blow up Texasgal Apr 2015 #253
When there's an emergency like that pipi_k Apr 2015 #271
Going from memory Boudica the Lyoness Apr 2015 #268
Yep, and she bragged about what great money she was making and not tied to a lease so... bettyellen Apr 2015 #272
Idon't think any of this is true. cwydro Apr 2015 #278
True pipi_k Apr 2015 #273
Right. A bowl of hot water and a washcloth: great-grandma's bath. Or a box of baby wipes.... Hekate Apr 2015 #471
Baby wipes cannot wash your hair, though. noella17 Apr 2015 #476
Nobody was suggesting 'washing' hair with baby wipes. Boudica the Lyoness Apr 2015 #477
Some people are more vulnerable to stress. noella17 Apr 2015 #478
I mentioned that I was young and healthy during my awful crisis. Boudica the Lyoness Apr 2015 #480
Exactly so. TY Boudica for understanding what I was saying. Hekate Apr 2015 #481
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2015 #487
Where on earth are you renting an apartment in Delaware County for almost $2000/month??? CreekDog Apr 2015 #210
Unrelated to your comment...but thought you might like to know Veilex Apr 2015 #216
Post removed Post removed Apr 2015 #206
I will send best energy to you if that's okay with you. Somebody on DU must have suggestions. KittyWampus Mar 2015 #9
If you have to pay 2000 to stay can you just move JI7 Mar 2015 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author Liberalynn Mar 2015 #11
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #23
that's the judge's judgment including "costs" TorchTheWitch Mar 2015 #33
i think moving out is best. either way you will have to pay JI7 Mar 2015 #45
if I had the money to move out I'd be running out of here with my hair on fire TorchTheWitch Mar 2015 #46
use the Money people will send on go fund me JI7 Mar 2015 #48
But I still need a job TorchTheWitch Mar 2015 #52
Pound the pavement? cwydro Mar 2015 #117
Is there a compelling reason to stay in the area? seveneyes Mar 2015 #51
if I could move anywhere to keep a roof over my head I would TorchTheWitch Mar 2015 #56
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #87
Look on or advertise on craigslist Politicalboi Mar 2015 #126
Look in the ads for someone that needs help in an already rented place Omaha Steve Apr 2015 #184
Wish there was more I could do to help Liberalynn Mar 2015 #12
I called a few Catholic churches today but so far can't get anyone on the phone TorchTheWitch Mar 2015 #19
Emotion diminishes to the square root of the distance doubled seveneyes Mar 2015 #58
Hope you can find a safe place for you and your dog. Holy cow. glinda Mar 2015 #13
Here is the original post from 2-13-15 that will answer a lot of questions Omaha Steve Mar 2015 #14
Thanks for the link. nt cwydro Mar 2015 #79
We have 2-1-1 service here in Canada inanna Mar 2015 #16
We have 211 daredtowork Apr 2015 #459
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #21
that's not the rent TorchTheWitch Mar 2015 #26
It's easy for people to be cruel and heartless from behind a screen. ScreamingMeemie Mar 2015 #30
Post removed Post removed Mar 2015 #34
Yes, same apartment from the other thread, Dick Tracy. Moosepoop Mar 2015 #41
Awwww... I thought no one else used the term "Dick Tracy" anymore. ScreamingMeemie Mar 2015 #73
Between that, and "Perry Mason"... Moosepoop Mar 2015 #85
it's a rowhouse not an apartment TorchTheWitch Mar 2015 #65
stable housing is #1 priority, I think, to get back on your feet. grasswire Mar 2015 #78
So you are unable to get cwydro Mar 2015 #90
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2015 #462
Holy CRAP... ScreamingMeemie Mar 2015 #71
He/she enjoys it. Texasgal Mar 2015 #75
... cyberswede Mar 2015 #81
I think we are a picture of American Society yeoman6987 Mar 2015 #27
It depends on where you live. ScreamingMeemie Mar 2015 #28
That was a rude (and incorrect!) comment. Arugula Latte Mar 2015 #29
Well, I remember that thread too. cwydro Mar 2015 #38
$2,000 was not the amount she pays for rent as the poster asserted. Arugula Latte Apr 2015 #181
I know, cwydro Apr 2015 #183
My bro pays that much PasadenaTrudy Mar 2015 #31
and you have a very appropriate screen name nt LiberalElite Mar 2015 #40
amazed how some people with 51 posts can't read properly and are mean to boot ND-Dem Mar 2015 #49
As am I amazed by returning trolls LanternWaste Apr 2015 #201
...why not just be direct, like the others on your team? ND-Dem Apr 2015 #203
+1...nt SidDithers Apr 2015 #432
Yup. zappaman Apr 2015 #434
Fuck off, idiot. Hissyspit Mar 2015 #54
Yup. Agschmid Mar 2015 #61
I hope the jurors agree! Texasgal Mar 2015 #64
one did JanMichael Mar 2015 #67
Possibly two.... truebrit71 Mar 2015 #70
interesting JanMichael Mar 2015 #72
Not this time... Fearless Mar 2015 #77
I think it is sad that you feel the need to dig at a moment like this. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #63
Good Lord, Torch!!! Moosepoop Mar 2015 #35
+1. TorchTheWitch is one of the good guys here. closeupready Mar 2015 #50
Here are a couple of potential resources suffragette Mar 2015 #37
You have 4 days to vacate, is that correct? Her harassing you will not change that, right? Jefferson23 Mar 2015 #39
This seems like an easy problem. metroins Mar 2015 #42
"Get rid of your pet" Hissyspit Mar 2015 #53
still your stuff, get rid of your pet, move into your car, join a gym get a job? uppityperson Mar 2015 #57
But "no offense, that's what I would do" Hissyspit Mar 2015 #59
"an easy problem" uppityperson Mar 2015 #69
I kept waiting for "bootstraps, baby..." ScreamingMeemie Mar 2015 #74
Post removed Post removed Mar 2015 #108
"I don't see what the problem is..." ScreamingMeemie Mar 2015 #129
Post removed Post removed Apr 2015 #168
2 posts? and telling somebody just to move into their car? Surya Gayatri Apr 2015 #166
Well thanks for your advice Texasgal Mar 2015 #66
Oh mirt, clean up on aisle 5. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #68
No kidding Aerows Mar 2015 #84
it is a shame that newbie did that. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #86
"that's what I would do" ? Half-Century Man Mar 2015 #111
You seem to think it is so easy, don't you? nruthie Mar 2015 #122
I am guessing you are a sociopath Skittles Apr 2015 #403
A Narcissist, a Psychopath and a Machiavellian Walk into a Bar… Ellipsis Apr 2015 #420
Getting rid of a pet would be like getting rid of a child. Most of us are that attached to tblue37 Apr 2015 #463
Sadly, this is about the gist of it daredtowork Apr 2015 #484
Thank you for all of your posts. JTFrog Apr 2015 #485
Set up a GoFundMe account. We'll get the $$ there in hours riderinthestorm Mar 2015 #43
That sounds like a good idea, rider. stage left Mar 2015 #76
+100 Sissyk Mar 2015 #80
This. Agschmid Mar 2015 #105
This is a terrific idea, rider... ScreamingMeemie Mar 2015 #133
It seems like they don't want to do that because then they would have to use their real name dissentient Apr 2015 #153
Their real name will not show to the public Marrah_G Apr 2015 #200
TTW's been told this numerous times on this thread riderinthestorm Apr 2015 #211
Really, I would also think the time spent composing the long litanies of excuses cwydro Apr 2015 #242
HELP Philadelphia II Genesis Square Apartments Jefferson23 Mar 2015 #44
Here is the number for the 24 hour help line of Philadelphia's Catholic social services. pnwmom Mar 2015 #55
TTW! Texasgal Mar 2015 #62
My PayPal = mytwowings@yahoo.com TorchTheWitch Mar 2015 #88
Is there a reason in 6 weeks time why you haven't opened a gofundme account? Omaha Steve Mar 2015 #91
I think the issue is privacy. Texasgal Mar 2015 #95
Some us find the transparency that GoFundMe provides to be helpful. Agschmid Mar 2015 #101
Go fund me doesn't reveal private info Omaha Steve Mar 2015 #106
Honey, get some rest. Texasgal Mar 2015 #93
You describe Yoshi a large dog... It is Tuesday Mar 2015 #97
If you go to the pets group there are Texasgal Mar 2015 #102
Thanks for the suggestion It is Tuesday Mar 2015 #103
Yoshi is a beautiful dog! It is Tuesday Mar 2015 #107
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #82
None of this is how evictions work. LeftyMom Mar 2015 #83
You cant possibly be serious!!! darkangel218 Mar 2015 #92
this eviction seems to be going as fast as some correspondence nursing schools we've read about here CreekDog Apr 2015 #205
:rofl: Heddi Apr 2015 #215
Why are you making shit up about my education??? darkangel218 Apr 2015 #219
Wait a minute, you went to one of those? CreekDog Apr 2015 #221
This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 Apr 2015 #222
Keep making shit up. darkangel218 Apr 2015 #224
This is all you're doing in this thread pintobean Apr 2015 #225
Juror 5 is a fool. Agschmid Apr 2015 #226
I'm not skeptical at all. Texasgal Mar 2015 #94
There is a link in a post upthread that shows otherwise. Lex Mar 2015 #98
the poster has been here since 2003. 12 years. just two years less than yourself, so maybe ND-Dem Mar 2015 #130
You originally said a "DU'er that has never spammed this board" Lex Apr 2015 #147
i think you've confused me with someone else. i have three posts on this entire OP, and ND-Dem Apr 2015 #148
This message was self-deleted by its author Lex Apr 2015 #214
so, you deleted your response to me, but not this one, where you falsely accuse me of saying ND-Dem Apr 2015 #237
Settle down. Lex Apr 2015 #258
Thank you, but you were not "clearly" replying to Texasgal at all. You replied to *me*. ND-Dem Apr 2015 #259
I quoted what she said Lex Apr 2015 #262
You replied to ME. So I was not butting in and had no obligation to check your previous posts. ND-Dem Apr 2015 #264
Go away. Lex Apr 2015 #266
Ha! alcibiades_mystery Apr 2015 #378
wtf is wrong with you? Capt. Obvious Apr 2015 #486
Yes, Clearly. Texasgal Apr 2015 #261
Maybe not spamming Lex Apr 2015 #265
So length phil89 Apr 2015 #195
I don't know if it's true, but anyone can look back through TTW's old posts to see if she ND-Dem Apr 2015 #197
I have to admit cwydro Mar 2015 #96
Also REP Mar 2015 #104
Longtime DUer or not. cwydro Mar 2015 #109
Bad things do happen REP Mar 2015 #110
For that matter, the story about the inspection makes no sense. LeftyMom Mar 2015 #112
I'm used to escrow being used in cases of inhabitability/unuseable facilities REP Mar 2015 #119
Sorry I practice in Pennsylvania, I have seen Landlord get away with renting bad housing. happyslug Mar 2015 #138
I just don't understand how TTW was fired cwydro Mar 2015 #113
If I read the first thread right REP Mar 2015 #115
I've done that too. cwydro Mar 2015 #118
... well yeah ... REP Mar 2015 #128
Or followed through with legal aide even though the person was unpleasant, bettyellen Apr 2015 #144
I won't give my opinion on that. REP Apr 2015 #146
Once lived in a walk-up, cold-water maid's room on the 7th floor here in Paris. Surya Gayatri Apr 2015 #169
When I moved back to NC from FL cwydro Apr 2015 #186
I've bathed in frigid mountain streams and an unheated, freezing Surya Gayatri Apr 2015 #189
I completely agree. cwydro Apr 2015 #190
Well I'm glad pipi_k Mar 2015 #135
cripes, he wouldn't even let me SPEAK! TorchTheWitch Apr 2015 #191
May I respectfully suggest you stop re-writing this story and get packing riderinthestorm Apr 2015 #196
No it's not. ieoeja Apr 2015 #212
+1 REP Mar 2015 #99
Actaully in Pennsylvania it can be as short as 35 days. happyslug Mar 2015 #136
Yep. n/t COLGATE4 Mar 2015 #139
As a landlord lancer78 Apr 2015 #156
I've seen the problems pipi_k Apr 2015 #277
This message was self-deleted by its author woolldog Apr 2015 #460
Sorry, but I am very skeptical of this story. nt LexVegas Mar 2015 #100
I'm sorry to hear of your plight. I wish I could help. Half-Century Man Mar 2015 #114
Sending good thoughts your way TDale313 Mar 2015 #123
Pennyslvania has a Rule, that Magistrate do NOT have to listen to habitability issues if rent is due happyslug Mar 2015 #124
Are you a tenant law attorney licensed in PA? It is Tuesday Mar 2015 #131
I live in the Western Part of Pennsylvania, she lives 5-6 hours away from me. happyslug Mar 2015 #140
Surely you know one or two up in that area that might help her? It is Tuesday Mar 2015 #141
I told her to contact her Legal Aid office, and she did happyslug Mar 2015 #142
She asked for money from DU cwydro Apr 2015 #143
No, she said she owed for months but that if she got the money for one month Yo_Mama Apr 2015 #150
The problem is that she doesn't have a case - she has to pay the rent or go. Yo_Mama Apr 2015 #149
+1 F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #155
your clarification is much appreciated. grasswire Apr 2015 #159
Excellent post. +1 Lex Apr 2015 #177
+1 PasadenaTrudy Apr 2015 #207
So this four days is unlikely. REP Apr 2015 #145
Well, it's the balance of the first ten day period. Yo_Mama Apr 2015 #151
It still seems she has another 25 day period before she is evicted REP Apr 2015 #154
Here's what I'm having trouble understanding. SheilaT Apr 2015 #161
I'm not going to alert on your post. grasswire Apr 2015 #164
Why don't you address the points in his post? phil89 Apr 2015 #239
Nailed it- she has ignored all links to help.... bettyellen Apr 2015 #247
I'm not a particularly suspicious person in this kind of situation. grasswire Apr 2015 #250
I don't want to help someone stay in crisis REP Apr 2015 #251
nor do I want to help someone stay in crisis grasswire Apr 2015 #252
So it's a good lesson to all of us. Don't let things get to this point. Demit Apr 2015 #254
You're presupposing it isn't a scam. phil89 Apr 2015 #256
you are right grasswire Apr 2015 #260
Then you don't care if it's a scam phil89 Apr 2015 #303
even assuming it's all true i can't see any good reason to pay to stay in that place JI7 Apr 2015 #267
Here's hoping you don't get any emails from a Nigerian prince in the future arcane1 Apr 2015 #364
My concern over being scammed phil89 Apr 2015 #255
I also always give without strings or worry Mojorabbit May 2015 #489
found on google grasswire Apr 2015 #162
She's in Philadelphia. Sheldon Cooper Apr 2015 #167
Oh FUCK - gofundme takes 5 to 7 business days to pay out the money you raise TorchTheWitch Apr 2015 #170
So does PayPal, you had that problem last time...MOVE OUT Omaha Steve Apr 2015 #171
It sounds like TTW needs some tough love here. And may be in denial. Lack of sleep, stress KittyWampus Apr 2015 #175
Good advice. cwydro Apr 2015 #179
At some point you have to start making rational decisions. MOVE OUT! Stop thinking of paying KittyWampus Apr 2015 #174
Try this website Marrah_G Apr 2015 #199
In my humble opinion, the people on this thread who are doubting the OP Jenny Red Eye Apr 2015 #176
The OP posted on a discussion board. cwydro Apr 2015 #180
Well, Jenny... pipi_k Apr 2015 #182
Well put. cwydro Apr 2015 #185
Jenny has been here 20 days. CreekDog Apr 2015 #209
And what does it matter if the poster has been here ony 20 days?? darkangel218 Apr 2015 #223
She could have been lurking for 10 years - who knows? LiberalElite Apr 2015 #412
Sure, but she doesn't earn credibility with us based on "could haves" CreekDog Apr 2015 #413
+100 ND-Dem Apr 2015 #192
Using critical thinking phil89 Apr 2015 #194
kindly said, Jenny grasswire Apr 2015 #198
Thanks, grasswire. Jenny Red Eye Apr 2015 #232
You think being progressive precludes expressing disbelief? I never heard that. Demit Apr 2015 #202
You said that very well. cwydro Apr 2015 #204
Tomorrow you will have been a DU member for 3 weeks CreekDog Apr 2015 #208
Your results are in and they look good. Rex Apr 2015 #217
Time on DU has nothing to 840high Apr 2015 #418
I live in Florida and am a property manager. NCTraveler Apr 2015 #178
Family?!?! AMAR0113 Apr 2015 #187
I'd start packing, get the car fixed, MineralMan Apr 2015 #188
I notice you post phil89 Apr 2015 #193
I agree. After reading through all the posts I have to COLGATE4 Apr 2015 #218
Yes, though skepticism needn't preclude empathy... HereSince1628 Apr 2015 #228
I'm not yet convinced of the sincerity of the COLGATE4 Apr 2015 #229
I understand. I think that's valid. Even with such doubt empathy is possible HereSince1628 Apr 2015 #231
Here's where things stand now TorchTheWitch Apr 2015 #227
No way to get the money faster. Agschmid Apr 2015 #233
Are you still fighting to stay in this dump? Bay Boy Apr 2015 #234
This isn't meant to be mean... metalbot Apr 2015 #235
Stop wasting time on dreaming about the appeal working. Set up the gofundme page- KittyWampus Apr 2015 #236
I have to get the tires on the car fixed first seveneyes Apr 2015 #246
You really need to get the hell out of Dodge. AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #249
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2015 #461
Here is where many Duers are on this NOT ONE DIME to appeal or keep you living there!!! Omaha Steve Apr 2015 #230
I came home to lots of email on this while I was gone Omaha Steve Apr 2015 #257
I know you donated previously, cwydro Apr 2015 #270
It isn't pretty Omaha Steve Apr 2015 #275
Oh wow. cwydro Apr 2015 #276
WTF???? pipi_k Apr 2015 #279
I also wonder why the OP never invoked the Rocket_Scientist65 Apr 2015 #285
CHECK THIS OUT (caps on purpose) cwydro Apr 2015 #286
??????? pipi_k Apr 2015 #287
So what? herding cats Apr 2015 #288
I read through the entire thread. cwydro Apr 2015 #289
I read it as well. herding cats Apr 2015 #291
You're certainly welcome cwydro Apr 2015 #294
I'm not going to alert. herding cats Apr 2015 #296
These links were sent to me while I was pming about this odd request for money cwydro Apr 2015 #317
^This. ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #299
+1!!!! tammywammy Apr 2015 #300
That was just braggadocio. Demit Apr 2015 #301
Could be. cwydro Apr 2015 #333
Yes she's made no bones about being a stripper. Has been for as long as she's been on DU riderinthestorm Apr 2015 #293
Yes there is another pintobean Apr 2015 #302
In the previous thread, cwydro Apr 2015 #350
It's quite possible. Obviously people can make large career changes riderinthestorm Apr 2015 #358
Certainly, a person can change jobs. cwydro Apr 2015 #383
I actually remember reading that back in the day , there's nothing to it Ellipsis Apr 2015 #394
PS...how did you find out? pipi_k Apr 2015 #280
I learned a few things when I worked for the Omaha Police Dept before retiring last November Omaha Steve Apr 2015 #282
Gotta feeling we won't hear from her. cwydro Apr 2015 #283
the assholes at a Conservative website are following this thread. So they probably screwed KittyWampus Apr 2015 #292
What causes a fraud watch on a PayPal account? herding cats Apr 2015 #290
This is going the very same direction that the Andy thing did. ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #297
I thought that may be how it worked herding cats Apr 2015 #307
I donated a dollar pipi_k Apr 2015 #298
About PayPal fraud watch: the money DU donated for Andy Stephenson's operation was tblue37 Apr 2015 #464
TY for the info, Steve. You have credibility here, and I know you and Marta have kind hearts. nt Hekate Apr 2015 #474
In general all of us are willing to help. We help with causes large and small daily. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2015 #377
Shorter everybody: Cut bait. Demit Apr 2015 #238
Assuming all of this is true, I'd listen to what many duers are saying. Don't use any money to dissentient Apr 2015 #241
Looks like you have an ongoing problem sunnystarr Apr 2015 #243
The OP's paypal account is under fraud watch. cwydro Apr 2015 #281
Don't appeal and don't pay her. tammywammy Apr 2015 #244
Post removed Post removed Apr 2015 #245
This will be my one and only post on this subject. NaturalHigh Apr 2015 #263
I usually do not comment on threads like this PersonNumber503602 Apr 2015 #269
TTW, you need to answer the questions that keep coming up re your many stories. cwydro Apr 2015 #284
***Someone said almost the exact same thing to Andy back in the day*** ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #295
^^This^^ JTFrog Apr 2015 #304
Me too. I understand the well-intentioned worry, but the Internet sleuthing ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #313
These links were sent to me from other DUers. cwydro Apr 2015 #315
I don't do alerting. ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #379
Well, if you're inferring cwydro Apr 2015 #380
Why would you think that? I merely stated what can happen, that it has happened here, ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #382
Absolutely. cwydro Apr 2015 #384
DUers offered her a place to stay and $ in that same creepy post Omaha Steve Apr 2015 #389
You completely misunderstood me if cwydro Apr 2015 #397
LOL Omaha Steve Apr 2015 #399
Thanks for this. cwydro Apr 2015 #409
Another stupid alert crushed~ RiverLover Apr 2015 #427
Lol. Thanks for sharing. pintobean Apr 2015 #429
I don't remember saying what the synopsis says Omaha Steve Apr 2015 #430
... cwydro Apr 2015 #431
That was my take on it as well pipi_k Apr 2015 #424
I know. cwydro Apr 2015 #425
hahaha!!! pipi_k Apr 2015 #428
I'm not sure about the Andy situation Jenny Red Eye Apr 2015 #306
People are allowed to be interested in this, as a morality tale. Demit Apr 2015 #308
Have you been participating in the dredging up of old posts? nt. ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #309
A month ago, or a decade ago? pintobean Apr 2015 #314
Here's the thing. I still don't see a gun pointed at anyone's head. ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #320
Yes, we're all grown ups. We work hard for our money. pintobean Apr 2015 #323
So, take a breath, hide the thread, and move on. ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #331
Relieve yourself from attitude patrol. pintobean Apr 2015 #337
Exactly. Hey! cwydro Apr 2015 #353
if the current posting style is different from the past it is relevant CreekDog Apr 2015 #360
Comprehension fail. pintobean Apr 2015 #363
oh? then where has she gone? CreekDog Apr 2015 #392
It's as if you keep replying to the wrong person. pintobean Apr 2015 #393
Perhaps she has better things to do then read a bunch of bullshit theories... Ellipsis Apr 2015 #395
She was offered a place to stay and more Omaha Steve Apr 2015 #400
This message was self-deleted by its author Ellipsis Apr 2015 #401
I remember the bulk of that last time, I kinda thought she pulled in some cash too Ellipsis Apr 2015 #411
You wrote, "walk away if you have an issue." Demit Apr 2015 #316
I disapprove of people "sleuthing" out of "concern." ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #318
So help me out. Give me $20. Demit Apr 2015 #327
Me too, I could use a $20! cwydro Apr 2015 #329
Thank you for proving the point so succinctly in this response. ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #332
You're welcome. cwydro Apr 2015 #346
YOU disapprove. It's allowed behavior here, so perhaps you are the one who should walk away. Gormy Cuss Apr 2015 #341
Plus when you come to an open forum and ask for money Lex Apr 2015 #344
This thread has gone awry so I feel safe this aside about vets and vets panhandling... HereSince1628 Apr 2015 #375
This thread reminded me of a video clip from the past Oilwellian Apr 2015 #390
Yes, I suppose that's true, too, because all these things reflect human responses. HereSince1628 Apr 2015 #391
Because we care phil89 Apr 2015 #310
Emotion? LOL A plea for sanity is just that. ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #311
On breaking out of the cycle... pipi_k Apr 2015 #325
Take a breath, hide the thread and move on. ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #335
I've seen pipi_k Apr 2015 #423
What evidence? JTFrog Apr 2015 #312
Have you phil89 Apr 2015 #340
Andy had a fraud watch on PayPal, too. grasswire Apr 2015 #386
Yeah but this wording doesn't sound like that poster CreekDog Apr 2015 #349
Getting worried mariuma May 2015 #490
Sorry, people keep mentioning Andy. cwydro Apr 2015 #319
I don't really care about now...or before. ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #321
Nope, but I find it below contempt cwydro Apr 2015 #326
Take a breath, hide the thread, and move on. nt. ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #334
Andy was an original member in DU2 - he passed away in 2005, IIRC. closeupready Apr 2015 #336
Thanks for the info. cwydro Apr 2015 #347
Good points. As for me, since I'm familiar with TTW's history here and share her political leanings closeupready Apr 2015 #352
I would be too. cwydro Apr 2015 #355
EVERYTHING in her "story" adds up to a person who is under stress and is not thinking clearly. PassingFair Apr 2015 #404
+1 darkangel218 Apr 2015 #405
The whole 25 paragraph phil89 Apr 2015 #433
Post removed Post removed Apr 2015 #454
People donated to get him help he needed, pay medical bills. Cons got hold of it, got the money uppityperson Apr 2015 #362
That's not quite what happened REP Apr 2015 #398
Actually the surgery itself was not a success. It was too late, had spread everywhere in his body... bettyellen Apr 2015 #415
True. REP Apr 2015 #417
When I met him in DC he was having his first symptoms and looked jaundiced.... bettyellen Apr 2015 #419
Yep rjsquirrel Apr 2015 #422
Don't bring Andy into this argument... Avalux Apr 2015 #351
You may think of me what you wish. DUers are equally important to me in times of trouble. ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #356
So, what happened pipi_k Apr 2015 #381
"What happened" ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #402
Actually I was referring to pipi_k Apr 2015 #426
I just went to KnR that thread--but I saw no nasty comments about grammar or spelling. nt tblue37 Apr 2015 #467
+1. This is getting absolutely fucking creepy. n/t MadrasT Apr 2015 #354
she hasn't posted since midday yesterday CreekDog Apr 2015 #322
Working on another 20 paragraph explanation perhaps? cwydro Apr 2015 #330
Be careful, you may be labelled a troll phil89 Apr 2015 #436
Well, I've already been called cruel. cwydro Apr 2015 #438
Welsh names *are* hard to pronounce ... REP Apr 2015 #440
Lol. cwydro Apr 2015 #443
This message was self-deleted by its author closeupready Apr 2015 #324
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2015 #328
Why question it & give her a hard time? We're adults. cyberswede Apr 2015 #338
Why question it? phil89 Apr 2015 #342
My point is that we're all adults and are capable of deciding on the veracity of the OP ourselves cyberswede Apr 2015 #343
Then you're capable of withstanding what other people post. Demit Apr 2015 #359
(I was addressing a repeat troll whose sole purpose here was to harrass a long-time DUer) cyberswede Apr 2015 #368
Nice lie. phil89 Apr 2015 #435
I was referring to "Name removed" above, not to you. cyberswede Apr 2015 #439
That clearly wasn't directed at you... Agschmid Apr 2015 #450
who appointed you posse? nt grasswire Apr 2015 #388
It really is a simple as that. ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #348
That is EXACTLY what it is. Fucking cruelty. Sheldon Cooper Apr 2015 #366
+1 darkangel218 Apr 2015 #407
certainly revealing. isn't it? grasswire Apr 2015 #408
I agree.. Texasgal Apr 2015 #416
Message auto-removed pintobean Apr 2015 #339
I Feel Your Pain, I Am Currently Homeless... Corey_Baker08 Apr 2015 #345
Whoa!!! Stellar Apr 2015 #357
. ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #365
Richmond, Indiana currently Corey_Baker08 Apr 2015 #373
Oy, this thread. nt tishaLA Apr 2015 #361
Yup. I can't believe it's still going on... CTyankee Apr 2015 #367
On the positive side, it keeps you off the jury list. ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #369
Oh, I take no side in this. I truly don't know the facts here... CTyankee Apr 2015 #371
It is a horrible situation these days for so many. I'm sorry your daughter is struggling. ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #374
no problem. my daughter is nowhere near the OP's situation but it CTyankee Apr 2015 #387
I think of it as insulating myself against serving on a jury tishaLA Apr 2015 #370
I did not even think of that...until I was told a few minutes ago... CTyankee Apr 2015 #372
OK, my take. KMOD Apr 2015 #376
This message was self-deleted by its author MineralMan Apr 2015 #385
TTW, this thread has gone off the rails, lock it post a new one, with the latest updates Ellipsis Apr 2015 #396
I care, and I am concerned. KMOD Apr 2015 #406
OK. So I'm no lawyer, lonestarnot Apr 2015 #421
Ok...so what ended up happening? phil89 Apr 2015 #437
I really hope she didn't get thrown out on the street. JTFrog Apr 2015 #441
Me too. She got a lot of hostility from DU in the thread. IMHO Liberal_in_LA Apr 2015 #444
And if she lost her internet connection, that would explain the lack of recent posts from her. nt tblue37 Apr 2015 #468
Where does it say she was in danger of losing it? noella17 Apr 2015 #469
If she got evicted, she probably would not be able to post online. nt tblue37 Apr 2015 #470
If you read her posts noella17 Apr 2015 #472
The legal system is practically unusable to poor people daredtowork Apr 2015 #442
Hmm. cwydro Apr 2015 #445
How so? daredtowork Apr 2015 #446
Just wanted to say how much your experience reflects Scruffy Rumbler Apr 2015 #447
What I find difficult to swallow SheilaT Apr 2015 #448
I would have to go back to look at the timeline daredtowork Apr 2015 #449
In her first request for money SheilaT Apr 2015 #451
Her first request for money was in February? daredtowork Apr 2015 #457
Wow. That's a comprehensive statement, and I thank you for posting it. Hekate Apr 2015 #482
I'm on the fence about it daredtowork Apr 2015 #483
wise words grasswire Apr 2015 #453
absolutely agree about the PTSD grasswire Apr 2015 #452
Post removed Post removed Apr 2015 #455
oh come on... grasswire Apr 2015 #456
Apparently, yes... MrMickeysMom Apr 2015 #465
Thanks - I'll look that up! daredtowork Apr 2015 #458
Your description of the inability for folks in financial distress to use the legal system is spot on stevenleser Apr 2015 #488
any word from TTW lately? Liberal_in_LA Apr 2015 #466
I wouldn't blame her Texasgal Apr 2015 #473
TTW, hope you are okay! DawgHouse Apr 2015 #475
I don't worry about being scammed gwheezie Apr 2015 #479

librechik

(30,676 posts)
305. +1--also the methodists
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 01:02 PM
Apr 2015

they don't care about your religion, either--hope you have services nearby!

7wo7rees

(5,128 posts)
410. This thread, tbis post, it needs to end.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 08:26 PM
Apr 2015

Right now.

Over the course of the last day it has devolved into a nightmare. For over 24 hours the person requesting help has not responded.

All we have left ate DU'ers trying to fix something that may not be fixable.

Please everyone.

Walk away.

 

mylye2222

(2,992 posts)
2. So sad to hear that....
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 04:22 PM
Mar 2015

Can you contact an organisation that could advocate fir you for free such as an abused renters defense one? Im sorry I cant guide you. I suggest that because here in France wr have powerfull ones such as Droit au Logement (Housing Right) that helps legally renters from being evicted.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
3. Is there a neighbor, friend or relative you could stay with temporarily or who
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 04:26 PM
Mar 2015

could take care of your dog if you need to go into an emergency shelter? Once you are safely housed you can seek their counsel about what next to do.

I'm so terribly sorry you are having such awful trouble. My husband was the Director of the Homeless office within our city's Human Services division. He still serves as the voluntary head of the Homeless Commission for the city. So there are services available in such city governments that see folks like you and help. Churches are often part of that network, too.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
22. been there done that
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 07:02 PM
Mar 2015

Friends I don't have anymore. Working nights and weekends for a long time has a way of making you lose your friends. It was my family that was the most vicious blow. Not a one of them will offer so much as a piece of floor for me. Not a phone call, not nothing from any of them. I'd never dream of doing such a thing to any of them. No way would I let a family member be homeless. I can't stop crying about that all by itself, but I have to push it aside right now like so much else to try and save my own life.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
32. Keep trying Catholic Charities...I cannot believe they would totally desert the homeless
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 07:30 PM
Mar 2015

on Holy Week. It has to be a reminder to them for MORE charity, not less...

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
47. I'll be trying them again tomorrow
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 08:22 PM
Mar 2015

along with getting the car fixed and seeing about a few jobs. My saintly mechanic whom I've known since I was a kid said he wouldn't charge me to fix whatever the hell is wrong with all my tires.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
60. so far I can't find anything on the website for help
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 08:46 PM
Mar 2015

Even the "find help" link they give goes to a blank page. Everything else is donation driven.

Is there something I'm missing on this site?

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
121. The site worked fine for me.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 10:47 PM
Mar 2015

I didn't get a blank page.

It instructs you to enter your zip code and go from there.

missingthebigdog

(1,233 posts)
132. Have you ASKED your family for help?
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 11:11 PM
Mar 2015

You said, "Not a one of them will offer so much as a piece of floor for me. Not a phone call, not nothing from any of them."

You don't say that you have asked them to help and they have refused.

It is terrible that they haven't offered to help you. They are your family, and they should reach out to you. But you can't just wait for an offer. You are at a point that you have to ask. Drowning people don't just silently sink into the water hoping the lifeguard will notice. YELL! Hopefully your family will do the right thing.

If they won't, you really need an exit strategy. Continuing to stay where you are is dangerous. If your landlord is as crazy as you say, she might hurt you or Yoshi.

You need to move someplace that is much less expensive. As you apparently have no ties there, why not move? Cost of living is pretty low here in Arkansas, and there are some jobs. I'm sure other DUers have suggestions as well. Pick a place, and I am sure DU will pitch in to facilitate your move.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
165. Yes, I asked. I BEGGED
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 07:19 AM
Apr 2015

For a long time I've not been particularly close to my siblings. For a number of years they've been doing family get togethers always scheduling them when they knew I couldn't go because I had to work and never giving enough notice so that I could rearrange my schedule. I've been feeling deliberately shut out for a long time. We all talk through email as a group about this and that, but even then I felt like I was being shut out... very seldom did anyone respond to anything I said or laughed at my jokes or funny photos, etc. I have no idea how this came about. Years ago I used to have REALLY long conversations with one of my brothers on the phone where we'd laugh about everything and nothing. Then somehow that just didn't happen anymore.

Still, the worst thing in all of this is that not a one of them cares a wit that I'm I hair away from being homeless. One of my brothers has not said a word. Another actually yelled at me on the phone for making him worry. My sister (who I've never gotten along with very well since she's just not a very nice person) told me her best advice was to put Yoshi in the car and drive as far south as I could because at least I wouldn't freeze to death living on the street. Another brother said he knew someone that might have advice about eviction proceedings since they did some kind of work with that. I asked him to find anything out for me that he could and let me know. He never responded and hasn't said a word since. The last brother I talked to on the phone who listened to my situation and helped a lot looking into various government resources that might help me. In hindsight I should have used that time to look for a job instead. Every one of them has been totally useless.

Never ever ever did I imagine my own family would abandon me. Last night I put out another distress call about this latest disaster with the hearing and the judge and what I found about about what this judgment meant, etc. The only response I got was from my sister saying that I was being rude mentioning that I'd never ever ever let a family member of mine be homeless. She also said that they've all been discussing me all this time none of which I knew anything about and basically comes down to their talking about me behind my back.

This is not the family I used to know, and I have no barking idea what the fuck happened. Ok, my sister was always a jerk, but I never would have expected this from my brothers. Actually, I never expected this from my sister either despite her being a jerk.

Christ, I have to push this part away or I'll never be able to salvage anything to keep clawing away. This blow from my own family already came very dangerously close to wiping me out. I can't let it. I've still got a few days for a miracle, and I have to focus everything on that or I'm finished.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
5. God almighty she's doing it again!
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 04:46 PM
Mar 2015

Excuse me for a minute I have to call the police yet again. Oh holy shit!

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
7. Set up a GoFundMe site for $2000. That's nothing. You'll...
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 04:50 PM
Mar 2015

Get that in under 3 hours. I'll throw in the first $50.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
18. I have a paypal account - would gofundme be better?
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 06:36 PM
Mar 2015

I had looked into gofundme a bit before recently when I came begging hat in hand for help here and thanks to DU's wonderful generous people the only reason I can eat, feed Yoshi and keep the electricity, etc. on is because of that help.

Can you or someone help me out with setting up a gofundme account? God, I feel like I have to be steared around by the nose for anything now... I can't even bloody think straight anymore!

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
116. Ok, I have to use my real name at gofundme
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 10:40 PM
Mar 2015

Is there any way that this could come back to bite me concerning getting a job? I can't do anything that will hurt my job prospects.

I'm also worried about the judge. He's obviously a complete asshole (figures he's a Repuke!) and I'm worried about saying anything negative about him.

Maybe I'm just being paranoid, but life already bit me on the ass hard for not being paranoid enough concerning my slumlord.

Could you help me with what to say once I set up an account. The slumlord also cruises social sites, and I'm really worried about her finding mine. Apparently, people can leave whatever comments they want and I have no control over them. This woman already scares the shit out of me.

I also need to find out how fast you can get the money and how all that works. Since I only have a few days left it has to be fast enough to "beat the clock".

I'm sorry, but I feel like my brain went to mush weeks ago and I'm feeling like I just want to hide in the back of a closet (not that I have any closets I could do that... these houses are about 100 years old, and I guess they didn't know about closets then). Believe it or not, even toilets were an afterthought, and there used to be outhouses in the back yards!

Omaha Steve

(99,682 posts)
120. Here is another DUer that needed help
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 10:46 PM
Mar 2015

There is NO NAME attached for anyone to see.

http://www.gofundme.com/cip3vw

There are no random replies. Only from people that donated.

And you had so many problems with Paypal last time.
 

It is Tuesday

(93 posts)
125. All you have to do...
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 10:57 PM
Mar 2015

is explain your story to the folks. Exactly what you described in the OP is perfect.

Omaha Steve was kind enough to link to the original post. You can decide to put it together.

And your #1 goal in the meantime while we are helping fund you, is to find a job that works for you. It doesn't matter if it's flipping burgers or Uber or whatever, just find a job, and fast. You will need it for your next place of residence to prove that you can fund your residence.

You need the following:

1) Security deposit, plus first month's rent in another apartment that you can afford if you make $REASONABLE_AMOUNT, and pet friendly for Yoshi.
2) An attorney specializing in eviction prevention - tenant law is what it is called - call around and find out what it would cost to retain one. Many will offer free initial consultation.
3) Lots of support to help you around - you got one of the biggest ace in the hole - the police by the park - and with continued documentation, and support knowing the slumlord is already harassing you. She has no right to do that.
4) Research on eviction law. Your landlord may have violated several aspect of that law trying to kick you out within short time. I have never heard of such evictions on a very short notice - usually a minimum of 14 days, up to 60 days in some cases with average at about 30-60 days. That's why I mentioned #2.

I'll be happy to donate on Friday when I get some money coming in. It won't be much, but it'll help in the long run.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
127. Do you want help or to simply whinge?
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 10:57 PM
Mar 2015

Set up a gofundme acct

Now

You need $$:help now. Above all else.

Set up an account asap

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
160. DU helped me when I was in trouble!
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 01:47 AM
Apr 2015

Set up a gofundme account...you will be amazed at how wonderful the DU community is. And I will have a chance to pay it forward

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
8. I'm a bit puzzled as to why you are trying so hard to
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 04:53 PM
Mar 2015

stay in a place that is, according to you, almost totally uninhabitable, and with the worst landlord of all time. I do hope you get all this resolved, as no one deserves such misery.

Does your local legal aid office never have anything to do with similar landlord disputes? Is there any chance they can refer you to an attorney willing to help you pro bono?

But you should be focusing almost all your energy on getting a job, any job, and looking for another place to live, almost any other place.

Oh, and I'm going to guess you weren't given a copy of the inspector's report simply because you're not the owner of the place. Sucks, but there it is. You might try calling the office that did the inspection and ask for a copy. If it's part of the record in your case, you should be able to get a copy, although you may have to pay for having it printed up. Not sure.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
17. because I have nowhere to go
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 06:31 PM
Mar 2015

She got me fired from my job. Like an idiot I kept paying her with all my savings that I was also living off of while looking for another job until there was just nothing left. At first because she knew it was her own fault that I lost my income she was working with me to get back to being able to pay the rent. By that time I wanted to get the hell out of here but with no income and no money I can't rent so much as a cardboard box. Then out of the blue I get the hearing notice on my door and had about three days to gather evidence for it (there were two more days but they were weekend days where I couldn't do much of anything other than get prints of the photos and I'd already done that). I also had to look up all the laws and talk to random landlord/tenant attorneys on the phone just doing free consults for clarification of the laws, etc. I had to call legal aid who were no help at all and still aren't.

All of this eviction stuff happened in a matter of days and was so dire I had to put off the job search to deal exclusively with it. Not that it mattered since the judge ended up trampling all over my rights, the state law and wouldn't even allow me to speak at the hearing! I'm still shocked by this. Jesus, he's a judge for heaven's sake! What the hell kind of judge just railroads over someone's rights, totally ignores the law and doesn't even let them speak in their own defense??? He's the only judge and the pinnacle of the district court. He can do whatever the hell he wants and there's no one to do anything about it.

I just hung up with another really nice officer since the one last night told me to call them with every incident of her harassment. This latest was the landlord going ape shit on the phone again, I told her that I'd talked with the police already (as they said I should do) and that if she doesn't stop harassing me she can be arrested. Right now I can go down to the district court and file a criminal complaint because of the harassment but I'd have to pay a filing fee I don't have and this would be before the same asshole judge. I'd actually rather that she did something they can arrest her for.

This last nice officer I talked to said that if she shows up at the property or tries to enter with her own key to call 911 and they can arrest her at that point. Like the two others I talked to this one also said to not worry about my dog and if he eats off her face trying to barge in that's her problem and to be happy I have Yoshi to protect me if she's nuts enough to try. And she is. There have already been close calls of her just barging into the backyard right up to my back door and thank heaven Yoshi just didn't happen to be lose in the yard those times. I had put the chain and lock on the back gate mostly because of her invasions. She's never understood that it could be dangerous for her to just enter the property willy nilly even if it's the back yard, so it wouldn't be surprising that she would just barge into the house with Yoshi here. Except now I'm discovering the hard way just how batshit crazy she is, and I wouldn't put it past her to either barge right into the house or send in innocent people like the plumber or other workers.

This was why the plumber called to warn me and that he knew about my dog and wouldn't have himself or any of his workers come in without my securing him first. I also had to warn all the agents at the code enforcement office that I had a big dog and she can't just let people in using her own key for their own safety. They were the ones that told me she isn't allowed to come in or let anyone in herself anyway without my knowledge and permission. Because of her being crazy I told them she's already lied to the plumber about permission I gave to let them in to do work that I knew nothing about and that if she ever says that she has permission and knowledge from me she very well may be lying and putting them in danger because of Yoshi and to always check directly with me to be sure. They were very appreciative of the info and promised that any agent will check with me first before coming in to make sure that I've given permission and secured the dog.

This last psychotic phone call she said she was coming over with workers on Saturday to fix some stuff the township is now forcing her to do. I told her Saturday was not a good day for me and that I needed to know when workers would be coming, what they'd be doing and how long they'd be in the house. She still thinks that because she owns the property she can just come in willy nilly whenever she likes. She's never once arranged convenient times to fix things with me even when I WAS working. Though some things I had to take off work for because they were emergencies and she never actually fixed forcing me to use my own money to get someone competent and take the price off the rent.

I'm hoping she does show up sometime on Saturday and tries to barge in so I can call the police and get her arrested. They think that at some point she'll escalate to that.

 

It is Tuesday

(93 posts)
24. Set up a GoFundMe
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 07:12 PM
Mar 2015

for sure... and hire an attorney specializing in evictions ASAP.

Just tell us the retainer fee, and we'll raise it, and halt the eviction proceedings.

Keep documenting the calls, and record them if you have to (evidence, evidence, evidence!!!!)

Let her know that because of her psychotic behavior, and documented police report, you are retaining an attorney and will give her hell.

Attornies costs slumlord money, and they don't like to spend on fighting a tenant... but a determined tenant have rights too.

You were railroaded by an incompetent judge. Appeal the eviction, of course.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
36. appealing is what I'd like to do
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 07:48 PM
Mar 2015

The thought of paying her this fraudulent judgment makes me literally sick. But the clerk at the county courthouse told me that to file an appeal I have to pay the full amount of the judgment plus a $285 filing fee. An attorney retainer on top of that I'm guessing would be about $500. Then of course they charge for every little thing they do, so I'd have to be able to keep paying them.

If I can somehow either pay the judgment which I REALLY don't want to do but it's a whole lot cheaper or appeal I have only a few days left to do it.

Ok, now I'm going to go figure out how to set up this gofundme account...

Oh crap... I just realized I have to sign up with my real name. Is it possible that this could come back to bite me like especially with looking for a job? I'm nervous about saying anything about the judge either... would there be any kind of trouble that could get me into? I don't even know what, but I'm nervous about that. He's also an attorney at a private firm with more money than God and an elected official (yes, Republican!) that likely cares more about his votes than anything else. Shit, I really don't know what to do about that. Maybe I'm just being paranoid, but I've already had my butt kicked for not being paranoid enough. Should I talk to an attorney first?

I know I can't think straight right now. I haven't slept and barely eaten in the past couple of days with this slumlord going psycho on me on top of everything else.

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
134. Wait a minute...
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 11:21 PM
Mar 2015

am I confused?


If I can somehow either pay the judgment which I REALLY don't want to do but it's a whole lot cheaper or appeal I have only a few days left to do it.

Ok, now I'm going to go figure out how to set up this gofundme account...

Oh crap... I just realized I have to sign up with my real name.




I just looked at your thread from Feb in which you finally figured out how to set up a gofundme account because you were on the verge of being thrown out, and people did indeed send you money.

Why would you have to set up another account if one already exists?

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
163. i never used gofundme then
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 02:05 AM
Apr 2015

There was something about it that made me nervous. I'd read some complaints people had made about not being given their money and some other stuff I don't recall... something about some uncomfortable terms you agreed to when signing up. In any case that time I just used paypal.

I've always been paranoid about using my real name anywhere on the internet. I have a rather unusual first name that makes me pretty easy to find. I've had two stalkers in my past one of whom took about four years to finally shake, but it's probably made me particularly paranoid about anything. Ever since then I've never felt at all safe without the big dog though even with one I think in the back of my mind I'm perpetually too wary.

Strangely enough I actually felt safe with this landlord for years. For a long time I thought she was great, and looking back she purposely worked at that. Now I think a lot of that has to do with the fact that she's female. I also had a landlord in my past (married guy, too) that terrified the shit out of me. Thank the gods I had the big dog then even though he was still not yet full grown. Kato saved me from him. As far as I know he's still in jail though I doubt it was because of that particular incident. I still haven't gone back to that town ever since. I actually thought I'd forgotten about him until very recently when the memory came back to haunt me because of the psycho landlord I have now that I had no clue was this batshit crazy until the harassment crap. I guess I dealt with the incident with that guy by not dealing with it. That was actually the place I rented to hide from the bad stalker. I ended up jumping from the frying pan into the fire though.

Damn, it's only been in the last week or so that I've so much as thought about any of this. I never did tell anyone about the violent guy landlord. It was pretty soon after I moved in, so in a lot of ways I'd not even really unpacked yet. I was really lucky then that I'd just gotten a good job I really liked at the time and had a home opportunity that popped up at pretty much the same time, so I packed back up and left. I just pushed all that away and went forward never even thinking about it again until about a week so ago when it came creeping back into my head.

I liked the place I moved to. Nice landlord, and I had the first floor of an old Victorian house for dirt cheap. Free heat in the winter, too. I even had a fireplace though I never used it. After about a year and half the landlord decided he had to sell the place though. Whoever bought it plowed it right down to the ground and built some really ugly squat house in it's place. They also cut down the two ancient huge oak trees and just plopped pots of nasty looking plastic flowers on the bare stumps. Hideous. If that landlord hadn't had to sell I'd likely still be there now.

OMG, I just realized that the inside of this place reminds me a bit of that old apartment! There's the same archway between the living and dining rooms, the same old radiators making strange gurgling noises that once you get used to are actually kind of comforting, the same kind of old decorative moldings that are a pain in the ass to dust and clean, etc. Maybe I was a bit drawn to this house because of it being a little reminiscent of that old apartment. Wow, that never once dawned on me before.

Cripes, I have to get Yoshi back inside and try to sleep again.

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
172. OK I just reread that thread again
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 09:55 AM
Apr 2015

and you're right. You didn't use Gofundme. You used Paypal.

So why not do it again?


Also, I have sat here reading through that thread and this one, scratching my head in puzzlement over the fact that a grown adult person would not come up with a Plan B to get herself out of a situation that will, in all likelihood, only get worse.

I'm disturbed by the appearance that everything that's happened has always been someone else's fault.

The landlady got you fired. No hot water so you couldn't go to work and you got fired. Nobody in your family will help you. The judge is against you. The landlady is psycho. There was a previous psycho violent landlord guy. etc., etc., etc.


Some people have expressed skepticism over your story and they've been blasted, as if there's something wrong with being skeptical. Especially when good people want to help out a fellow human being but maybe have been screwed over in the past. I don't know about anyone else here, but I live on a fixed income. I like to help whenever I can, but I don't want to be fooled so that some other deserving person or charity doesn't get whatever I could have donated.


Also, and most importantly...

Before I would donate, I want to know what plans the person I'm donating to has for getting him/her self out of the situation s/he is in.

What are your short and long-term plans for extricating yourself from what you yourself have called an intolerable situation?




JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
213. That is a good strategy for evaluating
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 02:33 PM
Apr 2015

a charity, business plan or an entreprenurial gofundme request, but is not good when someone is in crisis mode like TTW.

It is unrealistic to expect someone in an extreme crisis to have the time, energy, or mental capacity to focus on developing longer range plans than ones that what will get them out of the immediate crisis situation (former crisis line volunteer here).

Why don't you come back after TTW has been helped out of crisis mode by other DUers to see if you can get more info in order to decide if any money you give to her would be a good "investment." Of course by then, you probably will justify not donating because she won't be in a crisis and therefore not worthy of your money.

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
274. Here is what I know...
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 10:00 AM
Apr 2015

I know from her other OP on this from February that she was doing just great there for 9 years until all of a sudden last year the landlord just refused to fix things.

That's when things started going downhill.

So in March of last year she wasn't in crisis.

Nor April. Nor May.

Nor June, July, August, etc.

Plenty of time to assess the situation and, without being under pressure or in crisis, to come up with a Plan B.

Did that happen? No. Or it sure doesn't sound like it anyway.

Instead of contacting DUers about that situation (whereupon she would get some very good advice about documenting living conditions, withholding rent and putting into escrow or whatever else is legal in her state), she waits till the last minute and is suddenly in crisis.

Once...OK.

But twice???

This situation did NOT come on overnight.

People are giving some goddamn good advice in other parts of this thread and it looks like most of it other than collecting cash from DUers is getting pooh-poohed.

"Here, do this"

"Oh I can't do that because....blah blah blah"


"OK then, here's a suggestion"

"No, that won't work because...blah blah blah"

How many times does someone have to "be in crisis" before people get tired of being enablers? Enablers think they're being so damned noble but they're not. They're merely making it possible for someone to stay stuck in the same dysfunctional behavior patterns.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
220. Yes, and as another poster pointed out.
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 04:40 PM
Apr 2015

Those who donated during the last "fund drive) asked for some sort of progress report or an accounting for where the money went.

They never received an answer.

sunnystarr

(2,638 posts)
248. Sorry I don't buy this bs story ...
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 07:58 PM
Apr 2015

Maybe others are afraid to say it. Your story doesn't ring true. Judges don't evict without an eviction notice and 30 days notice and even then it takes a bit more time to force evacuation. Plus you're required to let your landlord in to make repairs. It's not at your convenience. That's just for starters but enough for me.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
152. all the stuff falling apart here that I had to deal with
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 12:45 AM
Apr 2015

It started with the sewage pipe and from there it was one fiasco after another. The sewage pipe, the leak in the ceiling, the toilet fiasco, and the last straw with my old boss was the hot water heater that I couldn't make the beast fix for a year while it had a small leak and eventually blew up all together last year in March.

By the event of the water heater blowing up (last year in March) was when when my old boss got fed up with all the house falling down issues and sacked me. Though I surely miss the income I sure don't miss the job. I had to take it though since it was reasonably full time and I needed a job. This can be a really shitty business. Places close without telling anyone, or change ownership or management that sack everyone across the board and bring in their own hirelings you have no way of knowing anything about. I've not been one of the lucky few that get to work in a nice place that's fairly decent to its workers. My old boss was a coke-head who inherited the business and had not a clue how to run it. Basically, it was a really tiny dump that was pretty much a 7/11 for the buyers and sellers of illegal drugs. During the day it wasn't so bad (when I worked) since it was mostly blue collar workers. Very few people at all though during the day most of the time though.

I love the job in general - working as a bartender I mean. Even in this dump I met a number of very cool people and laughed a lot. I still miss some of those customers. I think the one I miss the most was the giant guy that was in construction that had worked as a bartender in his youth and taught me some great bar tricks. Most of them were pretty rude, but funny as hell. 101 gross tricks to do with a basic square paper bar napkin.

I have to try getting some sleep again. I can't seem to shut my brain off though it's probably turned to mush my now.

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
173. How did
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 09:59 AM
Apr 2015

house issues have anything to do with your job?

By the event of the water heater blowing up (last year in March) was when when my old boss got fed up with all the house falling down issues and sacked me.
 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
240. Looks like a year of unemployment.
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 07:32 PM
Apr 2015

And staying put despite the fact the "slumlord" caused the firing.

Texasgal

(17,046 posts)
253. When you have a water heater blow up
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 08:47 PM
Apr 2015

and water is flooding your laundry room or house or whatever it's not like you can just head off to work. It needs to be dealt with.

I recently had bad spigot in my laundry room that flooded my kitchen and dining room. I got up to make coffee and get ready for my day at work and I was standing in 2 inches of water. I had to call in to get a plumber out and someone to suck up all the water that had collected underneath my faux wood flooring.


pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
271. When there's an emergency like that
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 09:43 AM
Apr 2015

you do what you can and if there's nothing you CAN do about it, what the hell is staying around to watch the devastation going to help?

Even if you have to stay home and shut off the water valve, it takes all of five minutes or less. You call into work and tell them you'll be a little late, take care of business, and then go to work.l

If the landlord wants to send someone over to take care of the problem while you're out, s/he should have a key and then be there to supervise while the work is done.

 

Boudica the Lyoness

(2,899 posts)
268. Going from memory
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 02:45 AM
Apr 2015

Her hot water heater wasn't working and so she said she couldn't take a shower. This resulted in her not going to work and getting fired.

I remember this because at the time I was stunned that it didn't occur to her to boil some water in a kettle or pot and have a wash that way.

No matter what - you go to work.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
272. Yep, and she bragged about what great money she was making and not tied to a lease so...
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 09:44 AM
Apr 2015

Not sure why she didn't look for a place then, she had only a month to month lease. Or joined a gym to use for showers if she was dead set on staying there. Seems like she is still dead set on staying there, ignoring all encouragement and help to get her out.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
278. Idon't think any of this is true.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 10:42 AM
Apr 2015

At first I was just doubtful, but now it stinks to high heaven.

Apparently her paypal account is now on fraud watch (posted by OS in thread), so this tells me something.

The evil slumlord, the asshole judge, the idiot clerk, the violent previous landlord, the uncaring family - I wonder if these are all fiction.

I fear they are.

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
273. True
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 09:47 AM
Apr 2015

about boiling the water.

I've had to do it enough times myself.

If there's not enough time in the morning for something like that, you do it the night before. One day isn't going to turn someone into a stink pit.

Hekate

(90,758 posts)
471. Right. A bowl of hot water and a washcloth: great-grandma's bath. Or a box of baby wipes....
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 03:52 PM
Apr 2015

Sure you end up smelling like Johnson and Johnson's baby lotion, but you're clean. That is neither difficult to figure out nor to do.

I have stayed far far away from this thread, because it reminds me too much of a couple of former DUers who spun endless dramas about their lives. Many people here tried to help them. Many. A collection was taken up for a laptop computer. Offers of housing were made. Prayers were posted. People tried to locate them in person.

Either you remember them or you don't. But past a certain point, some people cannot be helped from here.

I hope there is a resolution for the OP, one way or another.

 

noella17

(48 posts)
476. Baby wipes cannot wash your hair, though.
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 05:39 PM
Apr 2015

Greasy hair would be quite embarassing in the workplace, I would imagine. I don't see how peope can shrug off some of these things but on the other hand, I can't see myself paying all that money for a place when there are clearly places for half that amount without holes in the ceiling.

In any case, this lady must need something from this community. I don't know if it's truly monetary. Maybe she just wanted sympathy--someone to care. I think it's a bit harsh to call her a scammer or insinuate as much. Even those who lie about illnesses and other "dire" situations are trying to fill a need. The least we can do is have empathy for that.

 

Boudica the Lyoness

(2,899 posts)
477. Nobody was suggesting 'washing' hair with baby wipes.
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 06:00 PM
Apr 2015

Many of us here have been in terrible pickles and many have been without hotwater heaters.

My house was gutted by fire 35 years ago, in mid-Winter. I had a little boy in first grade, a dog, two cats and a horse. I didn't drive and either took the bus or rode my bike to work. My nearest relative was over 5,000 miles away. I never asked anyone for help. I stayed a few nights a motel until I could find a place to rent. For three months I walked four miles, twice a day, sometimes through deep snow, to feed and water my horse who was still in his pasture next to my home. Soon as my house was re-built I moved back in.

I NEVER MISSED ONE DAY OF WORK.

Sure I was young and healthy back then, but not going to work while you still have a roof over your head and somewhere to boil or heat up water stuns me.

 

noella17

(48 posts)
478. Some people are more vulnerable to stress.
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 06:08 PM
Apr 2015

I don't need to defend this woman but I am choosing to do so because some folks just don't understand that not everyone functions perfectly under stress. Yes, even when you have kids. I have no kids and I can't imagine how people even do it under the best circumstances. Life seems so hard already. But good for you that you were able to manage. I just want you to stretch the boundaries of your ability to understand another human being outside of yourself.

 

Boudica the Lyoness

(2,899 posts)
480. I mentioned that I was young and healthy during my awful crisis.
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 07:25 PM
Apr 2015

You need to understand why I wrote that. If that same thing happened to me today, what happened 35 years ago, I would be in trouble. My health is very bad and I have been rendered useless. Lucky for me I now have a husband and adult sons to look after me.

I take offense that you wrote that I need to "stretch the boundaries of your ability to understand another human being outside of yourself". You are judging me even though you don't know me.

Let me make this clear, it doesn't take much energy, good health or commonsense to put the kettle on, heat some water, wash your stinky bits and get the fuck to work. If a person wrote that they were too ill or old to do that it would be a different story. But she had a job and used the excuse that she couldn't get to work because she didn't have a functioning water heater. Blamed her landlady for getting her fired!

Hekate

(90,758 posts)
481. Exactly so. TY Boudica for understanding what I was saying.
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 09:26 PM
Apr 2015

Something very strange is going on here, and the longer it drags on the more divisive it becomes and the worse it looks all the way around.

Response to Boudica the Lyoness (Reply #480)

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
210. Where on earth are you renting an apartment in Delaware County for almost $2000/month???
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 02:11 PM
Apr 2015

Not to mention, where on earth are you renting an apartment in Delaware County that's a slum for almost $2000/month?

You aren't even in center city or Bucks County.

 

Veilex

(1,555 posts)
216. Unrelated to your comment...but thought you might like to know
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 03:12 PM
Apr 2015

Obviously I voted to leave it.

On Wed Apr 1, 2015, 02:42 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Tomorrow you will have been a DU member for 3 weeks
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6446672

REASON FOR ALERT

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ALERTER'S COMMENTS

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Response to cwydro (Reply #89)

JI7

(89,260 posts)
10. If you have to pay 2000 to stay can you just move
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 04:59 PM
Mar 2015

To another place and pay that amount ?

2000 is a lot. There should be many places much less

Response to JI7 (Reply #10)

Response to JI7 (Reply #10)

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
33. that's the judge's judgment including "costs"
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 07:33 PM
Mar 2015

Because he wouldn't allow me to refute the slumlord lying and saying I never paid any security deposit or last month's rent which I could have had the asshole even let me SPEAK at all during the hearing he thinks there was no security or last month's rent paid though I came to the hearing with the original receipt she signed that said I'd paid all this when I signed the lease. But I can't do a fucking thing about his judgment unless I appeal which I can't afford to do!

I have two choice now: either pay her the judgment which allows me to stay in this dump while I get a job and get together enough money to rent something else or appeal. If I don't do either of these things in the next few days since that's all the time I'm given then the constable comes and throws me out.

I have only a few hundred dollars to my name right now and that's thanks to the generosity of DUer's that's what I've been living off of. As much as I'd like to run out of hear screaming I have nowhere to go, nowhere to store everything I own, no time to even pack anything up, nowhere to put Yoshi who I simply can't live without right now seeing as he's the only thing that's made me keep fighting every day. Best case scenerio is that I can either pay that judgment in the next few days or appeal and I have no money to do either.

This evil beast of a landlord has destroyed my life and this asshole judge who ignored my rights and the law just helped her.

JI7

(89,260 posts)
45. i think moving out is best. either way you will have to pay
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 08:11 PM
Mar 2015

At least make sure the slumlord doesn't get more out of you.

Try another place.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
46. if I had the money to move out I'd be running out of here with my hair on fire
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 08:19 PM
Mar 2015

I don't have anywhere to go, and no one is going to rent anything to me with no income and no money to put down. I'm STUCK here until I can get a job and the money to move.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
52. But I still need a job
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 08:34 PM
Mar 2015

Any lordlord wouldn't let someone sign a lease without their having income to afford them the ability to pay the rent every month. Without a job right now I CAN'T rent anything. And all this shit from the slumlord and the judge has just kept me from getting out there to pound the pavement.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
117. Pound the pavement?
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 10:41 PM
Mar 2015

You obviously have a computer - send resumes, network, check city, county, and state job openings. They all have websites.

Companies have websites too.

If you're not working, finding a job should be your primary occupation until you get one.

 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
51. Is there a compelling reason to stay in the area?
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 08:33 PM
Mar 2015

If not, a move might be the best move. Existence in the ether is often just the calm before the storm.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
56. if I could move anywhere to keep a roof over my head I would
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 08:39 PM
Mar 2015

and would have done it awhile ago. I have nowhere to go. I haven't been able to get a job since she got me fired from mine. Without a job and the money to pay the up front fees to rent somewhere else this is the only roof I have keeping me from being homeless.

Response to TorchTheWitch (Reply #56)

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
126. Look on or advertise on craigslist
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 10:57 PM
Mar 2015

Sometime you can find free room and board for helping around the house, or taking care of someone who needs help. Some people need rides to doctors offices or grocery stores, or to their jobs.

Omaha Steve

(99,682 posts)
184. Look in the ads for someone that needs help in an already rented place
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 11:37 AM
Apr 2015

Splitting the rent and utilities with others saves you $.

 

Liberalynn

(7,549 posts)
12. Wish there was more I could do to help
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 05:51 PM
Mar 2015

Sending positive thoughts your way. I agree with Loch. Call Catholic Charities. Please keep us updated.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
19. I called a few Catholic churches today but so far can't get anyone on the phone
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 06:42 PM
Mar 2015

I wouldn't even have thought of that were it not for people here. This is holy week because of Easter, so I'm guessing they're all busy with stuff because of that. Tomorrow morning one church said to call the Monseigneur tomorrow morning because he's got nothing specific scheduled.

I didn't know about this particular catholic charities website before though.

Thank you! Hell, I could really just use some emotional support as well since I don't even have anything like that in my life and have been trying to deal with everything all by myself.

 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
58. Emotion diminishes to the square root of the distance doubled
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 08:40 PM
Mar 2015

Emotional support is best with a nearby connection with those who can help. Sometime you have to seek them out by following your heart. It can be scary and dangerous, but to find that which you seek is worth the risks.

We are kept by our wits and it can be scary at times.

inanna

(3,547 posts)
16. We have 2-1-1 service here in Canada
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 06:27 PM
Mar 2015

Just googled and it looks as though it is also available in the US:

Every hour of every day, hundreds of people need essential human services - they are looking for training, employment, food pantries, help for an aging parent, addiction prevention programs for their teenage children, affordable housing options, support groups and ways of becoming part of their community. 2-1-1 allows people to give help and to get help.

2-1-1 is an easy to remember telephone number that, where available, connects people with important community services and volunteer opportunities. In 2013, 2-1-1 services in the United States answered more than 15.6 million calls. The implementation of 2-1-1 is spearheaded by United Ways and information and referral agencies in states and local communities. United Way Worldwide (UWW) and the Alliance for Information and Referral Systems (AIRS) are committed to providing national leadership so that every American has access to this essential service.


Link: http://www.211us.org/

I don't know if they'll have what you need, but it might be worth a try?

I'm so very sorry for your troubles.

daredtowork

(3,732 posts)
459. We have 211
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 02:41 PM
Apr 2015

I'm just going to throw this in before a bunch of people pile on to say "see TTW has help but is ignoring it!" - I found 211 completely useless for rent issues where I live. They only collate and offer the services that actually exist in your area.

Again - not testifying to what TTW is doing or not doing. Just asking people not to make assumptions about what is at her disposal.

When you are facing homelessness, you work every option available to you. (Including "asking the Internet" for help).

Response to TorchTheWitch (Original post)

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
26. that's not the rent
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 07:18 PM
Mar 2015

It's the judgment I have to pay in order to not be thrown onto the street. Though I shouldn't have to pay anything because I paid last month's rent and security deposit when I first moved in here and brought the original receipt with her signature to court as proof, but when she said in the hearing that I never paid it the fucking judge wouldn't LET me saying anything to refute that much less show him the proof that I had paid it! This asshole ran over all my rights from the start and wouldn't even LET me defend myself at the hearing!

I have only two choices: pay the judgment or appeal. I don't want to pay that evil nest of vipers slumlord one more fucking DIME and shouldn't have to because of what I'd paid when I first came here that she lied about in the hearing and the judge refused to let me refute. I'd much rather appeal especially since I'd win based on his not following the law alone, but to appeal I have to pay the county court the full amount of the judgment plus a filing fee of almost $300. For the appeal I'd really need an attorney which I can't afford either and I already know that even if I could afford to appeal I'd have to do without an attorney and muddle through on my own which could very well cost me from winning it.

"Well off"... Jesus. Thanks. On top of everything else destroying my life I really needed that one.



ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
30. It's easy for people to be cruel and heartless from behind a screen.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 07:20 PM
Mar 2015

I wish I could do more for you TTW. Keep your chin up. :hug

Response to TorchTheWitch (Reply #26)

Moosepoop

(1,922 posts)
41. Yes, same apartment from the other thread, Dick Tracy.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 07:56 PM
Mar 2015

And by the way, Dick, if you had bothered to actually read the other thread beyond that first post that was obviously typed up in a bewildered frenzy, you would have seen the actual amount of monthly rent being discussed.

Keep on sleuthing, you mighty detective, you!

Moosepoop

(1,922 posts)
85. Between that, and "Perry Mason"...
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 09:27 PM
Mar 2015

I get a lot of quizzical looks from my offspring and their friends! Must be I'm getting old...

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
65. it's a rowhouse not an apartment
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 08:54 PM
Mar 2015

and yes. Of course it's the same place. My rent is $1250 a month which is CHEAP for this area and more than affordable for me until she got me fired from my job.

Anything else you'd like to crap on me about?

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
78. stable housing is #1 priority, I think, to get back on your feet.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 09:07 PM
Mar 2015

What's to stop this landlord from trying worse next week? I feel like you have to get away from this situation.

One thing I don't understand is how the law isn't being followed. Normally a 30-day notice is required to evict, unless the renter is engaging in criminal or dangerous activity. And even after that time, a sheriff must post a notice and that takes many days. Normally there's a penalty for a landlord not complying with the law that protects renters.

What would you think about going to your local TV station? Or would that make matters worse for you?

Is your car strong? Would it pull a trailer? Could you put some stuff in storage or sell off the furniture quickly and re-locate somewhere where rents are cheaper? There oughta be small towns in Pennsylvania or West Virginia with more housing options.

You could pull this off in four days with some gofundme help, perhaps? Find a storage place, get some church people to help you clean out the town house. Then sell stuff and relocate.

I wonder if you could be termed a woman in danger for purposes of the special services that can be provided. Normally that's a man-woman type thing, but this is just as damaging as domestic violence.

Just some thoughts.

Response to TorchTheWitch (Reply #65)

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
27. I think we are a picture of American Society
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 07:19 PM
Mar 2015

We probably have every possible economic, nationality, sexual orientation, religion, political, eft group there is. That is what makes us special.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
28. It depends on where you live.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 07:19 PM
Mar 2015

There are "pretty well off people" everywhere. I don't get why you would post this here.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
38. Well, I remember that thread too.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 07:50 PM
Mar 2015

I thought TTW raised enough to get through.

I could be wrong. I'll go find the thread.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
77. Not this time...
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 09:06 PM
Mar 2015

Fuck off, idiot.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6443928

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

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You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Mar 31, 2015, 09:05 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No need for this kind of crap.
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Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I can't vote to hide this because I agree with HissySpit. S/he is a longtime DUer, and frankly wrote what many of us were thinking.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The poster was responding to a nasty post, no sympathy for the language used, I might have said the same thing if replying to such an asshole. I live on less than 500 a month (well, obviously I will be homeless soon) but I would never act like such an ass. I am not offended that people here mostly live far better than I ever will, or that most of the people here live far better than most of my neighbors. We should all be raised up, not those that survive brought down instead. That being said TTW is not in a comfortable financial situation but is pretty close to losing everything. Fuck the alert.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Nope. Not going to hide it. That idiot should really fuck off.
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Explanation: In the spirit of the rules of DU I agree with Hissyspit. I vote to let it stand, because no one should be shamed for poverty.
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Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.
 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
63. I think it is sad that you feel the need to dig at a moment like this.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 08:52 PM
Mar 2015

I hope mirt takes a look at you.

Moosepoop

(1,922 posts)
35. Good Lord, Torch!!!
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 07:41 PM
Mar 2015

I'm so sorry you're going through all this!!! I so wish I could help you! A number of years ago you helped me tremendously -- it was in a non-financial way and I don't know that you are even aware of how much you did for me... let me just say that you helped me see an old issue in a new light, and then to put it to rest. That was a very important thing for me, and I'll be forever in your debt for that!

I can't help financially right now (oh, how I wish I could!!!), as I'm barely hanging on by my fingernails myself at the moment. All I can do is keep this kicked, and hope that the help you need comes through!!

I don't know if you believe in prayer, but I do, and I'll be doing that, too.

Please keep us updated!!!

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
50. +1. TorchTheWitch is one of the good guys here.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 08:32 PM
Mar 2015

I'd give if I could, and maybe I can if a gofundme link is posted. K&R

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
37. Here are a couple of potential resources
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 07:50 PM
Mar 2015

211. As another poster noted above, this is a good place to start. It's a clearing house for social services, so they can provide you with contact to local agencies which might be able to help in various ways: housing, food, emergency utilities, etc.

This one looks like it might be in your area.

https://unitedforimpact.org/our-impact/211


http://womensresourcecenter.net/programs/information-referral-2/

From their website:

The Information and Referral Helpline is the gateway to all of Women's Resource Center's programs and services. In addition to information about our programs, you can call for access to help in your area for a wide range of issues, including legal issues, employment, mental health, parenting, relationship issues, health care, addiction, reproductive health, financial assistance, housing, and personal development.


Monday - Friday 9:00 a.m. - 4:30 p.m.

To get connected, call (610) 687-6391


Hope these can help.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
39. You have 4 days to vacate, is that correct? Her harassing you will not change that, right?
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 07:52 PM
Mar 2015

So even if she is horrible, which it sounds she is..that does not sound like it will help you
keep you in your apartment..unless I misunderstood you.

I don't know how much money you have and I am not asking you to divulge that here
yet think about what you can do short term..like store your belongs etc.

This sounds like it might be a fit for your situation..speak to them, perhaps?

In certain instances, applicants who are fleeing domestic violence situations, who are imminently homeless, or who are residing in places unfit for human habitation may apply without an agency referral. Additional documentation will be required.

http://dignityhousing.org/whatwedo/eligibility/

metroins

(2,550 posts)
42. This seems like an easy problem.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 07:59 PM
Mar 2015

No offense meant, just reality.

You're poor and can't afford to sustain your current situation.

It's time to have a yard sale and sell all of your stuff on Craigslist. It's time to move into your car and get rid of your pet yoshi, likely via Craigslist or animal shelter (no kill).

Your next move is to contact social services and try to get help, while you're doing that you need to Google safe places to park your car while you sleep. Next obtain a gym membership at a 24 hour place so you can shower each day.

While you're doing that, you need to be looking for a full time job as well as putting your skills on Craigslist. You can pick up small jobs as painting, mowing lawns or other skills you may have. You can net an extra 300+ a week doing odd jobs.

While this is going on, hopefully social services has helped and you can begin the few month long journey of getting your life back together. Unless you have family you can move in with, this seems to be your best bet.

That's what I would do.

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
53. "Get rid of your pet"
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 08:35 PM
Mar 2015

No.

"Easy problem." Fuck that inhumane noise.

No thanks for your "advice."

Enjoy your stay.

Response to ScreamingMeemie (Reply #74)

Response to Post removed (Reply #108)

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
166. 2 posts? and telling somebody just to move into their car?
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 08:14 AM
Apr 2015

Mr./Ms. metroins won't be around for long, I think...

Texasgal

(17,046 posts)
66. Well thanks for your advice
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 08:55 PM
Mar 2015

you ray of sunshine you!

She will not get rid of her pet and should not have to. Oh, and if you can read you can see that she's been looking for work! Duh!

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
84. No kidding
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 09:24 PM
Mar 2015

Good grief. The woman has enough problems without supposed "friends on a message board" acting like complete assholes.

I really don't like to curse, but "asshole" is the only word I could find to describe such assholery.

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
111. "that's what I would do" ?
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 10:30 PM
Mar 2015

Never had anything like this happen to you or yours have you? Getting your life unzipped by someone.
To be facing a complete liquidation of everything you own.
To have strangers argue about the 3 dollar price tag on the hand painted serving tray you got as a wedding gift 20 years ago. To have them try to talk you down on the price of a digital camera bought 4 months previously and currently set at 1/4 the price you paid for it.

I hope you never have to face that. I hope you learn compassion.

nruthie

(466 posts)
122. You seem to think it is so easy, don't you?
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 10:47 PM
Mar 2015

Good Lord, how cold and clueless can a person be. Cruel.

Skittles

(153,171 posts)
403. I am guessing you are a sociopath
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 07:23 PM
Apr 2015

because only a sociopath would casually say something like, "GET RID OF YOUR PET"

Ellipsis

(9,124 posts)
420. A Narcissist, a Psychopath and a Machiavellian Walk into a Bar…
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 10:59 PM
Apr 2015

The bartender asks, ‘who has the darkest personality out of you three?’ The Narcissist says ‘me’, the Psychopath says, ‘I don’t care’ and the Mach says ‘it’s whoever I want it to be’.


tblue37

(65,458 posts)
463. Getting rid of a pet would be like getting rid of a child. Most of us are that attached to
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 02:35 PM
Apr 2015

our companion animals.

Also, animals transferred via Craig's List are often used as bait for fighting dogs or as experimental subjects.

Just no.

Once you accept responsibility for a living creature, you are responsible for its well-being.

daredtowork

(3,732 posts)
484. Sadly, this is about the gist of it
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 10:39 PM
Apr 2015

And this is why I keep saying TTW's stress is believable. A lot of us want to believe a social safety net is there that just isn't there. TTW says she does not have a job, and so she is unable to pay her rent. She is looking homelessness down the barrel. Without a job she isn't in a stable enough situation to set up in a new place.

It's easy to say "well get a job, then". At this point she may be so stressed out that she's in a condition that no one will hire her and/or she wouldn't be able to hold down a job if she got one. That also may be too complicate to explain here. Such a situation could take months if not years to resolve.

People might be inviting TTW to stay with them, but for how long? What will happen if TTW wears out her welcome and doesn't have a job yet? This happened to a homeless woman on Daily Kos who had a dog. She ended up in Nowhere Maine, where it was next to impossible to find a job and very hard to travel out once she was there. She didn't realize she was expected to get her life back together in 3 weeks when she accepted the offer.

Social Services can probably get her out of TTW out of her car and into a shelter (though she officially has to become homeless first). There she will be subject to the rules of that shelter. Having a pet will surely be out of the question.

I don't even have a pet, and I'm trying my best to avoid that fate.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
485. Thank you for all of your posts.
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 11:26 AM
Apr 2015

You are a very wise and compassionate person.

During the nuclear crisis in Japan, I tried to get my brother to come back to the states. He's been living in Japan for over 30 years. He didn't have the money to come back and it was gonna take an additional three or four thousand dollars to get his dog back here with him. So he wouldn't leave. He was facing a nuclear meltdown and he wouldn't leave his dog.

People are complex. I don't find anything unbelievable about what TTW is going through. I am sad about the things being said in this thread. I can understand people being upset at not getting a thank you for helping. But is that why they were helping? So they could get a pat on the back? Do you know how many times I've given money to a stranger knowing that I'll probably never see that person again and have no idea how the person will spend that money? If you are going to give conditionally...let the person know your expectations up front. Maybe that would make it easier for all involved.

I really hope that your situation works out. I guess the reason this all upsets me so much is that I have been there. I had relatives that treated me the way TTW got treated in this thread and it just really brought back a lot of that pain. I was very young. I had a baby. My mother had just died. I didn't have a drug addiction. I wasn't mentally ill. But I was homeless for nine months and lived in my car. That was a million years ago and I'm way past that now. I am so glad that the internet didn't exist back then. I had a hard enough time asking anyone for help to begin with. And I still do.

I don't have any answers here. All I know is that some folks made it seem like they went out of their way to get information on TTW and spread it around in private messages and started making all kinds of public accusations. To me, that just seemed like cruelty stacked on top of cruelty.

I'm sorry for being so hard on those people. I'm sure in their own way they believe they are doing the right thing. It just makes me incredibly sad.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
43. Set up a GoFundMe account. We'll get the $$ there in hours
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 07:59 PM
Mar 2015

then get a storage unit and MOVE OUT!

Go to the nearest short term stay suite that has a kitchenette (trust me you'll get enough $$ for this too) that allows pets.

Then work on getting a job. It's obvious you can't function or get a job in your current living situation. Break that cycle.

Let us help you break that cycle.

You're in a toxic situation and it's time to MOVE OUT.

Set up a GoFundMe account now.

You are loved. Trust us.


 

dissentient

(861 posts)
153. It seems like they don't want to do that because then they would have to use their real name
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 12:47 AM
Apr 2015

which is in itself kind of strange, IMHO (that they don't want to use their real name). I'll say no more though.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
211. TTW's been told this numerous times on this thread
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 02:14 PM
Apr 2015

but doesn't respond to that point and obviously hasn't set up an account yet.

I'm not sure what any of us can do at this point. She seems unwilling to take any of the many, many excellent suggestions - simply continuing to repeat the details of her situation over and over...

Every day she delays taking action is losing her support here.



 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
242. Really, I would also think the time spent composing the long litanies of excuses
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 07:35 PM
Apr 2015

is time that could be better spend elsewhere if so much has to be done.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
44. HELP Philadelphia II Genesis Square Apartments
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 08:04 PM
Mar 2015
Genesis Square Apartments (HELP Philadelphia II) is a transitional housing facility comprised of 50 one-bedroom apartments serving homeless families. HELP Philadelphia provides a unique campus-style setting, with HELP Philadelphia I and II across the street from one another. Since its inception in 1999, HELP Philadelphia II has served 900 people.

http://www.helpusa.org/help-philadelphia-ii-genesis-square-apartments/

pnwmom

(108,989 posts)
55. Here is the number for the 24 hour help line of Philadelphia's Catholic social services.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 08:39 PM
Mar 2015

They help people without regard to religion.

http://cssphiladelphia.org

Need Help?

If you are in need of help or assistance, we are available 24 hours a day on our CSS Helpline at (267) 331-2490 or by clicking on the bottom below. We are here to help you and will provide you with the information and assistance you need to find the comfort and security you deserve.

Texasgal

(17,046 posts)
62. TTW!
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 08:51 PM
Mar 2015

OMG! This is just awful! I though for sure the judge would at least see it your way especially with all the horrendous pictures and documentation. Please re-send your e-mail and I'll see if I can help you with a few bucks.

In the meantime. Do not answer you phone to that crazy lady! Save yourself some sanity! Just do not deal with her. Second, is your car working? I hear that alot of money can be made quickly for driving for UBER. I mean in a few days even.

https://get.uber.com/cl/?city_name=washington-DC&utm_source=Bing_Brand&utm_campaign=search|desktop|drivers|washington-DC|country-1|city-8|keyword_drive%20with%20uber|matchtype_e|ad_6718621835|campaign_brand|group_uberdriver%3Eexact&utm_medium=kenid_8f027a2a-2182-4c3a-be21-359eacd85175

I hear they are offering a stipend if you sign up. It may be just enough to get you going.

PM me with your info again. I am thinking about you and Yoshi and am wishing that I was closer. You would absolutely have a warm bed and Yoshi would be just fine with my two other spoiled doggies. PA is a long way form Texas.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
88. My PayPal = mytwowings@yahoo.com
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 09:34 PM
Mar 2015

I'm still shell-shocked over what the judge did from scheduling the hearing at all ignoring the law right through to the judgment. He ran completely roughshod over me. Figures that's he's a Republican.

Right before the hearing all four tires on my car inexplicably started losing air. One of them went completely flat and I thought I just had the bad luck to run over a nail. Got that fixed in the middle of all this hearing crap by my saintly mechanic I've known since I was a kid who told me there was something wrong with the air valves on all four tires and they were all losing air. Lovely. He'll be fixing them for me for free and he's unsure about sabotage. With this psycho landlord that's been harassing me since less than an hour after the hearing it wouldn't surprise me if she did something to my tires or had someone do it. I have to keep watching them and filling them with air when they get low. I was hoping tomorrow I can finally get it in to get fixed but now I don't know. As long as I don't go far they should be ok until then.

The police have been great (I'm blessed with a fabulous police department). Because Yoshi loves to go to the police station since it's also a park I already know a lot of them. She's royally pissed at me that now the township is forcing her to fix the things she's neglected for so long and I now have a shiny new lovely pvc sewage pipe in the basement. It was the plumber who first called me to warn me that she was trying to lie to people like him that she'd gotten permission from me to come into the house for something the get fixed when he knew she hadn't though he's stuck since of course he wants to do the work and have her pay him. We've agreed to keep anything about her on the down-low and he'll call me any time she says that she has permission from me to come in.

I was already thinking about pizza delivery, etc. though my car is anything but reliable. It used to be my aunt's who gave it to me when she bought a new car. Though it has really low mileage it's a heap of rust underneath like most cars from the New England area. In hindsight I would have been better off with the car I had at the time. Lesson learned.

I got some advice from the guy that runs the bartending school that said this time of year the temp agencies are going nuts to fill "catering" bartending positions which is probably my best bet. They're one shift jobs for a wedding or some other kind of banquet or special event but the pay is really good. I'd need a tuxedo outfit but he said they can tell me what I'd need and where to buy it cheap. There's tons of these agencies but because of my iffy car I'm really nervous about going into the city for any though I'll probably have to in order to get enough work. Of course it means signing up with a few agencies and getting ready to run out the door for a job at the last minute every day, but I'm too desperate for work to care. I was hoping to finally be able to do that tomorrow but with everything else I just don't have the time... right now I'm scrambling to keep from being thrown out on the street because of this shitheaded judge. I just found out today what the hell his judgment meant and how much time I had to either appeal or pay that evil beast of a slumlord.

God, I really need to take a shower (the first one in nearly a week! eeeewww!) and get some sleep. I can't even remember anymore the last time I slept. Though I've not eaten a thing in two days I don't want to try that again since last night I spent most of the night in the bathroom turning myself nearly inside out. Fun times. Ugh.

Though it's raining Yoshi wants his walk so I better do that first.

Thank you a million times, and I really wish you weren't so far away!

Omaha Steve

(99,682 posts)
91. Is there a reason in 6 weeks time why you haven't opened a gofundme account?
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 09:51 PM
Mar 2015

You had lots of problems with PayPal getting you the $ on time 6 weeks ago.

Some people have asked questions in public & private that don't get answered and that doesn't help your situation.

Help us help you.

Yes Marta and I kicked in last time.

Texasgal

(17,046 posts)
95. I think the issue is privacy.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 10:00 PM
Mar 2015

Especially since TTW has been a prolific poster here on DU. Think about Andy? I can sympathize. I would never let the jerks over at CC know my private info. They lurk and are internet bullies!

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
101. Some us find the transparency that GoFundMe provides to be helpful.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 10:09 PM
Mar 2015

I also would only donate through that system.

Omaha Steve

(99,682 posts)
106. Go fund me doesn't reveal private info
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 10:14 PM
Mar 2015


Only what is given to the site for use.

I've given to several through DUers that posted for others.

Here is one we kicked into when a DUer asked for help for a friend: http://www.gofundme.com/f4jti0



Texasgal

(17,046 posts)
93. Honey, get some rest.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 09:55 PM
Mar 2015

Take a bath and try to rest. I'll send a few bucks tomorrow. Can't see to get into pay pal tonight for some reason.

Tomorrow is another day. Perhaps something good will come along. Stay put and do not under any circumstances talk to the nut! Just get your ducks in a row. You'll be okay... keep telling yourself that.

 

It is Tuesday

(93 posts)
107. Yoshi is a beautiful dog!
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 10:15 PM
Mar 2015

I couldn't believe I was seeing an Akita - don't see one that often... beautiful breed!

Response to TorchTheWitch (Original post)

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
83. None of this is how evictions work.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 09:24 PM
Mar 2015

I've managed rentals and I've evicted people. There are regional variations and some judges are assholes, but what you're describing isn't how things work anywhere. You're not going to go from a written notice to pay rent or quit to unlawful detainer court to a lockout in six weeks. The system isn't that fast at the best of times in the least complicated cases. UD courts in cities have months long backlogs in the current economy. Likewise no judge is going to refuse to look at your cancelled checks. That's just too silly to even ask people to believe.

I'd advise posters to be skeptical.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
92. You cant possibly be serious!!!
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 09:53 PM
Mar 2015


That's your response to someone who is about to wind up out in the street???!??

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
205. this eviction seems to be going as fast as some correspondence nursing schools we've read about here
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 01:26 PM
Apr 2015

hmmm.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
219. Why are you making shit up about my education???
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 04:36 PM
Apr 2015
CreekDog
205. this eviction seems to be going as fast as some correspondence nursing schools we've read about here
hmmm.


Go get a life, you're pittiful.

Response to CreekDog (Reply #221)

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
225. This is all you're doing in this thread
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 05:15 PM
Apr 2015

harassing other DUers. I doubt you could ever pass your own tests.

Texasgal

(17,046 posts)
94. I'm not skeptical at all.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 09:57 PM
Mar 2015

This is a long time DU'er that has never spammed this board looking for a freebie.

I've seen some... she is not one of them.

Lex

(34,108 posts)
98. There is a link in a post upthread that shows otherwise.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 10:07 PM
Mar 2015

A plea for $2,000 (a month's rent according to that post) from about 6 weeks ago?

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
130. the poster has been here since 2003. 12 years. just two years less than yourself, so maybe
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 11:07 PM
Mar 2015

you've seen her soliciting funds on a regular basis during those years?

I don't think so.

Lex

(34,108 posts)
147. You originally said a "DU'er that has never spammed this board"
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 12:19 AM
Apr 2015

and I answered. Now you say a DU'er who hasn't "soliciting funds on a regular basis during those years" which is a bit different.


 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
148. i think you've confused me with someone else. i have three posts on this entire OP, and
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 12:28 AM
Apr 2015

none say anything like that.

Response to ND-Dem (Reply #148)

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
237. so, you deleted your response to me, but not this one, where you falsely accuse me of saying
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 07:27 PM
Apr 2015

"DUer that has never spammed this board."

find that comment. Prove it.

I never said it, and I expect an acknowledgment of the falsehood.

Lex

(34,108 posts)
258. Settle down.
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 11:42 PM
Apr 2015

I was clearly replying to Texasgal before you butted in. My deepest and sincerest apologies for attributing what Texasgal said to you. Now, are you going to be able to carry on?




 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
259. Thank you, but you were not "clearly" replying to Texasgal at all. You replied to *me*.
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 11:45 PM
Apr 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6444778


Star Member Lex (34,040 posts) Response to ND-Dem (Reply #130)

Tue Mar 31, 2015, 09:19 PM


147. You originally said a "DU'er that has never spammed this board" and I answered. Now you say a DU'er who hasn't "soliciting funds on a regular basis during those years" which is a bit different.

Lex

(34,108 posts)
262. I quoted what she said
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 11:48 PM
Apr 2015

but mis-attributed it to you. Clearly they were her words in the post just above, not yours. Are you like this in real life? Geez.

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
264. You replied to ME. So I was not butting in and had no obligation to check your previous posts.
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 11:50 PM
Apr 2015

as I hadn't been talking to you at all. So why don't you quit trying to bullshit your way out and blame me for your own error?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6444778


Star Member Lex (34,040 posts) Response to ND-Dem (Reply #130)

Tue Mar 31, 2015, 09:19 PM


147. You originally said a "DU'er that has never spammed this board" and I answered. Now you say a DU'er who hasn't "soliciting funds on a regular basis during those years" which is a bit different.

Texasgal

(17,046 posts)
261. Yes, Clearly.
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 11:47 PM
Apr 2015

I agree with you.

So, at this point can we discuss what constitutes "spamming" This is a DU'er that joined in 2003 and has posted ONE other thread regarding her situation. How is that spam?

There is another member here that posts MONTHLY about his issues... I mean I see it all of the time. To me that's SPAM.

Lex

(34,108 posts)
265. Maybe not spamming
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 11:50 PM
Apr 2015

I'll grant you that. But asking for $2000 a few weeks back, then again $2000 now, for a situation that is much more complicated than throwing 2K at it every month.

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
197. I don't know if it's true, but anyone can look back through TTW's old posts to see if she
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 12:52 PM
Apr 2015

has a history of asking for money.

So far as I'm able to discern, she doesn't.

REP

(21,691 posts)
104. Also
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 10:11 PM
Mar 2015

The landlord causing the job loss because of no hot water ... makes no sense.

The unemployment does not seem to be new, yet what are the future plans for rent payment?

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
109. Longtime DUer or not.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 10:18 PM
Mar 2015

Two pleas for money (the same amount too) in as many months is just odd.

REP

(21,691 posts)
110. Bad things do happen
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 10:21 PM
Mar 2015

But there are too many things that make no sense. Evictions do not work this way or the way described in the first urgent plea for money. They just don't.

And after she pays this month, what next?

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
112. For that matter, the story about the inspection makes no sense.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 10:33 PM
Mar 2015

If the inspection found that the place is uninhabitable (and any number of the issues she described would result in that) then the landlord would either have a very short time period to remedy the situation or would not be able to legally rent the unit until it was corrected, depending on local rules and the exact nature of the violation. Collecting rent while the unit is not inhabitable isn't generally allowed, but the tenant would generally have to put the money toward correcting the unit themselves or show that they were setting the money aside. You can't use the existing issues with the unit as an excuse not to pay.

I'm still not sure how issues with the property would result in losing her job, either. The landlord can let workers in, she didn't have to sit around and miss work to open the door for the plumber or something.

In short, nothing about the story makes any sense to me, and I've dealt with some obscure corners of tenancy law and even trained property managers in the weirder possibilities.

REP

(21,691 posts)
119. I'm used to escrow being used in cases of inhabitability/unuseable facilities
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 10:45 PM
Mar 2015

That is, if the problems are something the landlord should maintain, the tenant pays rent to an escrow account until the deficiencies are remedied.

But aside from all the what the fuckery in these stories - like the police getting involved in civil matters - let's say the sky is green there. Where's the money coming from next month? The unemployment is a multi-month situation.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
138. Sorry I practice in Pennsylvania, I have seen Landlord get away with renting bad housing.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 11:39 PM
Mar 2015

Local government just refuses to crack down on them, and it is the local government that has the duty to provide such inspections and close down such housing.

The State Legislature has REFUSED to give magistrate the right to close down such housing, saying it is up to the Tenant NOT to rent such uninhabitable housing.

Now, there is a movement to crack down on such bad housing, but it includes fees for inspections and registration of rental units within Municipalities. This option is spreading but a lot of landlords oppose such licensing for most landlords are almost as poor as the people they are renting to. Being a landlord when it comes to low rental housing is NOT what the wealthy invest it, it ends up being someone not making much more money then the tenant who is renting a house, they obtain the rental units cheaply, often by inheritance, but once they own the rental unit such landlords rarely can sell it for no one wants it OR the value is so low that the closing costs exceeds the value of the rental unit.

Thus low income rental units are owned by very marginal landlords who often are one step away from abandoning the property they are renting out. You run up to much of a fee, the house will just be abandoned and the municipality will have to tear it down when the rental unit becomes to bad.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
113. I just don't understand how TTW was fired
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 10:33 PM
Mar 2015

because of the landlady. Surely if that is the case, there would be some recourse?

I'd be out and on my way to a campground with my dog. And I would have done that with the first 2 grand, not waited around for more misery.

REP

(21,691 posts)
115. If I read the first thread right
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 10:39 PM
Mar 2015

She didn't have hot water, so she couldn't wash, so she couldn't go to work. I don't know how that works, especially since in this thread she says she hasn't showered in a week.

Not having hot water suuuuuucks, but I've been there. I heated water on the stove for a bath, or to just wash pits/privates/face etc.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
118. I've done that too.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 10:44 PM
Mar 2015

I don't know the time frame on this at all.

But she said she used up all her savings paying the landlord ( I assume AFTER the landlord got her fired).

I would have used up my savings finding another place. Why stay in a place that is so horrid?

REP

(21,691 posts)
128. ... well yeah ...
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 11:05 PM
Mar 2015

I would have tried to find a smaller, less expensive place and collect unemployment.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
144. Or followed through with legal aide even though the person was unpleasant,
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 12:13 AM
Apr 2015

Actually looked for a job every day, also and contacted St Vincent's and ALL the charities linked here by DUers. And make sure the car is in working order since someone has offered free help. It appears none of this happened in six weeks?
Seriously, how did so many miss that she refuses to get any help - to follow up on any advice except how to get cash?

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
169. Once lived in a walk-up, cold-water maid's room on the 7th floor here in Paris.
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 08:30 AM
Apr 2015

Got up every morning, heated a pan of water on a hot plate, had a 'biffy bath' (as some Brits call it) and went off to work--and that lasted for six months.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
186. When I moved back to NC from FL
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 11:42 AM
Apr 2015

I decided to live on some land my family owns in the country.

Very primitive, with no plumbing at that time. I heated water on a Coleman, put it in a sunshower bag and took outside showers. Yes, even in the winter.

I hear ya, Surya -where there's a will, there's a way. I've kind of got a compulsion about showering every day lol, and I would (and have) take a cold one if I have too. It only hurts for a bit lol.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
189. I've bathed in frigid mountain streams and an unheated, freezing
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 11:55 AM
Apr 2015

country lean-to here in France.

Acccck, getting up at 6 to take a cold shower! Trying to pull on your clothes with shivering fingers...

You know, cwydro, many Americans have no idea what real hardship is.

During my first 5-6 years here in France, I learned the hard way.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
190. I completely agree.
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 12:03 PM
Apr 2015

I actually have gotten to like cold showers lol...it's just that first bite so to speak. Has to be done FAST and then it's all good.

Here in the summer of course, it's so bloody hot that I look forward to the cold showers.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
191. cripes, he wouldn't even let me SPEAK!
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 12:24 PM
Apr 2015

I don't know if this guy thinks he can do whatever the hell he wants just because he's the only judge and runs the district court or what. And yes, he's a Republican. Figures.

There was two hearings. The first one never should have been scheduled at all because the landlord didn't serve a Notice to Quit on me. By PA law she CAN'T file for an eviction until after the 10 days from the date of service of the Notice to Quit expires. I told the dingbat clerk this and she had absolutely no idea what the hell I was talking about. She said that when someone comes and fills out an eviction form and pays the fee she just goes ahead and schedules a hearing. The judge doesn't actually SEE anything since they rubber stamp his signature on everything, so he was Mr. Know Nothing until the hearing.

The only reason I went to the hearing is because that dumbass clerk said that I should just tell the judge during the hearing, and I could not get her to understand that the law forbids a hearing to even be scheduled until the Notice to Quit obligation is satisfied. So I went because I basically had no choice. If I didn't go he just would have made a judgment in her favor for whatever she wanted. So, there wasn't a thing I could do gut bring up the business of the Notice to Quit the first chance I got to say anything. Since she was the plaintiff she got to speak first.

The first hearing wasn't so bad. He said he couldn't accept my photos as evidence unless I had copies of them for her, and I'd thought of that already and got double prints, so she got a copy of them all and so did the judge. Most of that hearing was his letting her babble on and on, which was actually interesting since she's a pathological liar the more you let her blab the more insane her lies get. The judge actually told her he didn't believe her. I was hoping she'd do her full blown psycho screaming thing she does whenever someone says they don't believe her or actual tries to dispute her but no such luck.

There was also the fact that she never even had a license to rent the place to begin with. I found that out from the nice woman at the Code Enforcement office who explained that the reason for the license is so that a township inspector can check the whole property for anything unsafe/out of code, etc. No way in hell she would have passed that inspection. The also told me that the township had the property listed by someone with a different last name (her previous married name) and lived at the address that I rent rather than the home she lives in.

Most of that first hearing was the judge asking her questions about the license, finding out it had never been inspected as well as several problems with the lease and stuff like that. He also let me tell a very brief summary of the story like the things that happened, her not fixing them and my losing my job because of it yet I continued to pay the rent until I had next to no money at all left. The judge closed the hearing and scheduled another one for the same time in a week because he wanted a township inspector to inspect the place and give him a report.

I was thinking "YES!" since for a week I'd been trying to get a township inspector to do just that myself. But during the whole hearing every time it was my turn to speak my landlord kept interrupting me and the judge wasn't doing anything about it! I felt like I was on Jerry Springer! I kept looking toward the judge to see what the hell he was doing, and he was just sitting there watching us like we were some tv show. Afterward I convinced myself that he let that go on to see for himself how loony she is.

Right after that hearing the landlord called me and told me she wanted the plumber to come in to replace that sewage pipe she was ignoring for two damn years! Well, of course she did... she didn't want the inspector to see the one she'd been ignoring! I talked to the plumber myself and told him that I wanted him to come look at it since i know he never had before but that it wasn't getting replaced until the inspector saw it. No problem with that - he's a really nice guy.

I didn't hear anything about the township inspector coming until the afternoon before the next hearing date. I was told that the inspector would be there to do his inspection an hour before the hearing and that he'd be bringing the landlord. That inspection was a disaster. He told me I wasn't allowed to talk to him at all and that he "worked for the property owner". WTF??? He found a whole bunch of stuff that was messed up, but when it came to the major things like the sewage pipe, the falling down and leaking living room ceiling, etc. all he did was glance at it and say it had to be fixed. I swear I wanted to turn the shower on so that water leaked out of the ceiling onto their heads.

Then we had to go straight to the hearing which was a disaster. The judge wouldn't let me see the copy of the report from the inspector, so I have no idea what the hell it said. I was completely cut out of the loop concerning the inspection. The judge and the landlord talked back and forth about some things in the report that I couldn't even follow what they were talking about since they were both looking at their own copies of it and I wasn't allowed to have one.

At one point the judge asked me if I had gotten a letter from my old boss about my being fired. I tried but of course I wasn't able to. I called the bar over and over and only once someone (the bartender who likely took my place) answered. I told her I desperately needed to talk to him, she's said something like "Uh-huh" and I could tell she wasn't writing down my name or number. I have no doubt she said nothing to him about my call. I also tried calling his cell number since he's usually not ever at the bar anyway, and he either has a new one or blocked my number. I get that... he wouldn't want to have people he's fired calling his cell all the time begging for their job back or whatever. I told all this to the judge.

At another point the landlord said I'd never paid a security deposit or last month's rent, and I did and had the original receipt she signed about all the money I paid when I signed the lease and how much was for what. When I tried to refute that the judge interrupted me as soon as I opened my mouth. Every single time I tried to refute anything the landlord said while he'd let her go on and on without interruption he shut me down! I had spent hours and hours for this hearing hunting down old emails and copies of letters, etc. and printing them out that I'd brought to court and even some more photos, and he wouldn't even let me BRING UP any of it.

Then he turns to me and asks me why I was still there when all this stuff was happening, and my jaw just dropped. Had he not listened to a single word I'd said? I'm BROKE. I lost my job because of this crap! The house was suddenly falling down around my ears, I can't get the landlord to fix anything or she sends in some incompetent boob family member to "fix" something who only screws it up worse, and the stress of it all had me so beaten down if the house started burning down around me I would have likely just sat there and fried thinking "oh great, more hell piling on". At that point he ended the hearing and said we'd get his judgment in the mail. I left in tears.

Never could I have even imagined a judge this bad in my worst nightmares. This epic asshole must think it's his court and he can spit on all the laws he likes and nobody is going to even notice. And they likely don't. He's got his court SET UP to run roughshod over the law, and it's not very likely that most people would even know about it. It's ridiculously informal. Nobody gets put under oath, there's no witness chair, there's no way to know that it even is a court except for him wearing a robe. It's just a room with folding chairs and a couple of folding tables. Of course, he has his bench, and most of the time he leans back in his chair which makes only the very top of his bald head visible. Most of the time it was like listening to a talking bench with about an inch of scalp at the top. Even when sitting up you can only see about 3/4 of his head.

Odd is hardly the word for it. In my book it's criminal.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
196. May I respectfully suggest you stop re-writing this story and get packing
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 12:46 PM
Apr 2015

work on setting up a GoFundMe account and getting your car fixed.

Spending this much time on DU right now isn't getting you anywhere but heartsick and stuck.

Stop the paralysis.

Go dumpster diving now for boxes and start packing. On the way check into your local library and find out what you need to do to get internet access once you leave your place.

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
212. No it's not.
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 02:24 PM
Apr 2015

"Here are the cancelled checks and a copy of the lease."

"Let me see that."



Vs.


"She's lying! That isn't at all what happened. You have to let me speak. She's been like this since the day I moved in. She's always making shit up, and...."

"That's enough."

{thinking} "But I was just trying to show him the evidence. Why wouldn't he let me show my evidence?"


 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
136. Actaully in Pennsylvania it can be as short as 35 days.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 11:35 PM
Mar 2015

Under the Pennsylvania Landlord and Tenant Act of 1951 as amended in 1997, 2013 and 2014, if a tenant is behind in rent, the landlord starts the eviction procedure by posting a 10 day notice to pay up or leave on the front door of the Rental unit (or the notice may be given to the Tenant by personal service). At the end of that ten day period, the Landlord can file a Landlord and Tenant Action in Magistrate Court, which must have a hearing not less then five days form the filing, but not more then ten days. In the hearing the Magistrate only has to listen to the Landlord issue of rent due. If tenant owns rent and does NOT have the ability to pay such rent, the magistrate does NOT have to listen to anything else about the Rental unit, he will give the Tenant Ten day to move to file an appeal.

At the end of the ten day appeal period, the landlord can ask the Magistrate for an "Order for Possession" which will be issued and served on the Tenant by a Constable that the Constable will come back in ten days and removed the Tenant. If the Tenant can NOT pay the rent or the bond to file an appeal, the Tenant can be removed in 35 days in Pennsylvania.

TorchTheWitch claims the Landlord never gave her the ten day written notice and the Magistrate refused to listen to her on that issue. That would have reduced the time of eviction to 25 days. I have such a case ongoing in my office. I ended up doing a Rule to Show Cause why the Tenant should NOT be permitted to stay in the Rental unit for the failure. The Judge signed the Rule, which included the right of the Tenant to stay in the rental unit till the hearing on the Rule. On the day of the Hearing in front of a Common Pleas Court Judge the Landlord did not show up. Another attorney heard me calling they names and told me he was looking for them, for they had purchased a home from one of his clients, but failed to pay the money. When I told him the address, he told me that was the house his client had "sold". He also told me the FBI was looking for the landlords. Why he did not know. My client just wanted some time to move and the Judge decided to continue the action for 30 days. I advised my client NOT to post any bond with the Prothonotary due to the issue of who the tenants may own the money to.

Now, 35 days in the bare minimum (25 days if someone claims to have given the 10 days notice but did not). It is generally a longer time period, about six weeks to two months to remove a tenant. Just a comment that the time to remove a tenant can be shorter then six weeks depending on the State law AND who is forcing people to follow them.

In Western Pennsylvania I rarely hear of a case where a Tenant is removed if there are any question as to service. The horror stories are generally out of Philadelphia and its Suburbs. I compare it to death penalty cases. Western Pa will issue death sentences in extreme cases, but on a population basis 10-25% of death sentences handed out in Philadelphia and its suburbs. Allegheny County, the county Pittsburgh is the County seat of, has the second largest population in Pennsylvania, but is #4 when it comes to people on death role, behind Philadelphia, Berks and York Counties and barely ahead of Lancaster, Lehigh and Northumberland. Those five counties are separated from Philadelphia County, but Philly's bedroom counties of Chester, Bucks, Delaware and Montgomery Counties. Of the 186 people in death row in Pennsylvania only 22 are from counties WEST of Altoona.

I bring the death penalty up for it is one of the differences between Eastern and Western Pennsylvania. Another difference is Western PA juries rarely give out awards for "pain and suffering" but such awards are common in Eastern Pennsylvania (Same law, different results based on Jury makeup).

Philadelphia is a Democratic Base, but till the 1950s it was viewed as a GOP city. Pittsburgh ceased being a GOP city in the 1920s. Except for Obama, most of rural Western Pennsylvania voted for Democratic candidates for President (This is a result of the Coal mining history and that a lot of Coal Miners hate African Americans for African Americans were used as Strike breakers in the 1920s when the United Mine Workers tried to unionized the mines. Once ingrained it became hard to remove that hatred thus Obama lost counties in Western Pennsylvania that Kerry and Gore won easily in 2004 and 2000.

Thus I have found Eastern Pennsylvania a lot harsher on low income people then Western Pennsylvania, but Western Pennsylvania is losing jobs and population so pressure is coming from the Eastern part of the state to come down harder on Tenants and other low income people.

 

lancer78

(1,495 posts)
156. As a landlord
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 12:59 AM
Apr 2015

I agree, no judge anywhere, unless he or she was having an affair with the landlord or very corrupt, would totally disregard cancelled checks/receipts or refuse to allow you to show them as evidence of payment.

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
277. I've seen the problems
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 10:41 AM
Apr 2015

(second hand, of course) through the adventures of my BIL who owns a few apartment buildings.

It takes months for him to have non paying tenants kicked out.

So yeah...we're talking about the US here, not some second-world kangaroo court dictatorship

Response to LeftyMom (Reply #83)

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
114. I'm sorry to hear of your plight. I wish I could help.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 10:39 PM
Mar 2015

For whatever it is worth.
A little more than 3 years ago, we lost the house and 3/4 of our possessions. We were forced to liquidate and walk away from our home.
We were not in as desperate at situation as you now face. We had 60 days.

The four of us live in 1/3 the floor space. We survive because of food pantries and paper routes supplement my disability insurance.
This may sound hollow now but,

Ya do make it, it will get better at some point.

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
123. Sending good thoughts your way
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 10:54 PM
Mar 2015

Sorry you're going through all this. Hope it all works out for the best. Sounds like you really need to get away from this really bad situation.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
124. Pennyslvania has a Rule, that Magistrate do NOT have to listen to habitability issues if rent is due
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 10:57 PM
Mar 2015

It is a harsh rule, but that is why I always tell my clients that if you are going to withhold rent to force repairs, KEEP THE RENT MONEY BACK TO POST THE BOND NEEDED TO FILE THE APPEAL AND STAY IN THE RENTAL UNIT. If you are behind in rent and can NOT pay the rent, the Magistrate does NOT have to listen to any issue about the habitability of the rental unit. It is a harsh rule, but it is the law in Pennsylvania. Thus it sounds like the magistrate was correct in not listening to you on the issue of habitability, for you were unable to pay the rent.

If you have the money to pay the rent, you can pay and stay (pay the court costs AND the rent due as determined by the Magistrate), or post the money as a bond and file the appeal. If you are low income, and it sounds like you are, you still have to post at least one month's rent as a bond AND pay the court your monthly rent till you have the hearing in front of the Judge.

If you do NOT have the money to post at least one month's rent, you will be removed from the rental unit. The procedure is simple, you have ten days from the date of the Judgement to file an appeal AND post the required bond. If you do NOT file the appeal and post the bond (or file the appeal but do NOT post the bond), the landlord, after that ten day period has expired, has the right to request the Magistrate District Judge (MDJ) to issue an order for possession that will be served on the tenant with a date, ten days after the date of service, when a constable is going to come and remove the tenant from the property.

Notice the constable will come by no sooner then 20 days after the hearing date to remove you.

I live in an area of the State where there are more rental homes available for rent then there are tenants (mostly because there are no jobs) but the rules are the same state wide.

As to the appeal, go to your Legal Aid Office to file the appeal. Pennsylvania has a controverted method of filing an appeal from a Magistrate. First you need to fill out the form to file such an appeal. The top half of the form is the actual appeal, the bottom half is a RULE on the landlord to file an complaint in Common Pleas Court.

Second, you must file the Appeal with the Prothonotary of your county along with a copy of the Magistrate's decision (Which will contain the reason for the eviction including the amount of rent due, if any). You MUST post a bond with the Prothontary equal to the Rent due, as determined by the Magistrate, or Three months rent, as determined by the Magistrate OR if you are low income, a In Forma Pauperias Form (IFP Form) and one month's rent. Once the appeal has been filed, the Prothonotary will sign the square whcih shows a Superceadeas in the eviction has been granted. To to get such a Superceadeas you MUST file within ten days of the Magistrate Judgement.

The Prothonotary will keep the top copy and depending on your county do one of two things:

1. If the county has adopted the rule, the Prothonotary can ask that you provide two envelopes with the addresses of the Landlord and the Magistrate on them, These must have a US postage stamp on them. The Prothonotary office will use those envelopes to mail the notice of appeal to the landlord and the magistrate.

2. If your county has NOT adopted that rule (My county has NOT) the Prothonotary will return all but the top copy of the appeal form to you, and you must mail copies of the appeal to the landlord and the magistrate by certified mail AND then return the next to the top copy of the form to the Prothonotary, with the back of the form filled out that you mailed the forms to the landlord and the magistrate by certified d mail. This notice of appeal MUST be signed by you AND a notary public seal on the form showing you signed the form in front of the notary public.

Once you have done the above, the Landlord has 20 days to file a complaint with the Prothonotary. To that Written Complaint you MUST file a Written Answer.

Rent must be paid monthly as to the amount of rent due each month, if rent is not paid the landlord by a simple letter can have the Superceadeas revoked and the tenant removed.

This is under the Landlord and Tenant Act of 1951 as amended in 1997.

Please note, in 2012 the State Legislature amended the Landlord and Tenant Act of 1951. This was amended again in 2014 effective December 22, 2014. The law in 2015 says that any property left in a rental unit AFTER a tenant has left the unit OR the tenant has been removed by a Constable, is viewed as "Abandoned" property. If the Tenant asks the Landlord within 10 days of the eviction, the landlord must store the property for 30 days, but at the expense of the tenant. If the Tenant does NOT ask within the 10 day period OR the property is left for more then 30 days after the Tenant made a request to recover the property, the personal property becomes the property of the landlord NOT the Tenant.

This is all coming out of Philadelphia, no real pressure from the rest of the State, but from Philadelphia and its suburbs.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
140. I live in the Western Part of Pennsylvania, she lives 5-6 hours away from me.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 11:44 PM
Mar 2015

Torchthewitch lives in a Philly suburb, I work in Johnstown, five to six hours away one way. There is no way I can help her. She has to go to her local Legal Aid Office and see what they can do. If she is behind in rent, there is NOT much that can be done for Pennsylvania has a rule that if rent is due and can NOT be paid, habitability of the rental unit is not considered. It is a harsh rule, but it is the law in Pennsylvania.

 

It is Tuesday

(93 posts)
141. Surely you know one or two up in that area that might help her?
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 11:47 PM
Mar 2015

I think she did mention that she did pay her rent for the month of March.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
142. I told her to contact her Legal Aid office, and she did
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 11:53 PM
Mar 2015

The problem is, it looks like she does NOT have the money to pay the rent. That is the fatal problem and one no attorney can work around till she gets the money. This state has a harsh view to tenant who can not pay their rent. I do NOT know anything about her case, but what she said on this thread, but it sounds like one of a lack of money and in Pennsylvania that can be fatal

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
143. She asked for money from DU
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 12:03 AM
Apr 2015

in February and she said most of it was for the rent. That would seem she was current.

Then on March 31, she asks again?

Smh.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
150. No, she said she owed for months but that if she got the money for one month
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 12:38 AM
Apr 2015

she thought the landlord would let her stay. Without a job paying future rent is impossible, much less back rent. Nor is staying in a place when she's calling the cops on the landlord even feasible or healthy.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
149. The problem is that she doesn't have a case - she has to pay the rent or go.
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 12:34 AM
Apr 2015

All the other components of this story are side issues, relevant of course to her and to her mental health, but not to the question of staying in the unit without paying rent.

I am badly worried about TTW, but I don't know what to do. Not bathing and some of the other things she has written seem like she needs more help than just the rent, or maybe to get out of a situation which is too much stress to handle.

I think perhaps going to talk to some one at a charity society so that they can hook her up with additional services is important.

I don't think TTW is lying - I think she does not understand the system and is too stressed to understand and interact properly with people who are trying to help her. But the level of stress she appears to be recounting is so high that advice to get a job right now is not very practical perhaps.

The best advice she has been given here I think is to look for the motel rental unit by the week that takes pets and to talk to someone at a Catholic Charity about her entire situation, including the stress and the problems with functioning on a day by day basis. But I am not sure that TTW could handle the stress of the rental and the insecurity of that either, and I am not sure she can act on this advice.

I cannot believe that staying in this house when she is calling the cops on the landlady is good for someone in her situation. It wouldn't be good for anyone, but definitely it is not helping her. Yet I believe that she is so stressed that the thought of trying to organize herself to move out is overwhelming.

I believe she should contact her local county MH/DS office, attempt to explain the situation, and ask for help. The directory is here:
http://www.mhdspa.org/Pages/Local-Contacts.aspx

The issue is not so much the rotten landlord as the not sleeping, not eating, not bathing, and not comprehending what is going on in court and what the Legal Aid workers are trying to tell her. I think temporary disability, counseling and some services are needed to get her into a more stable situation so that she can work and rebuild her life.

F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
155. +1
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 12:58 AM
Apr 2015

To all of that. Stress does terrible things to people, and it is really, really hard to function when the world is against you. Some of the posters here need to have some empathy. The justice system is not on her side--you need money to even attempt to help yourself. If you don't understand the intricacies of the system, it is so easy to find yourself mired in a tangle of laws and regulations that make no sense and only make things worse. It is a seriously fucked up world out there, and I can't imagine trying to deal with all of that at once. Overwhelming doesn't begin to cover it.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
159. your clarification is much appreciated.
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 01:43 AM
Apr 2015

So, she was correct. The judge did not have to listen to her, and Pennsylvania's rules are harsh.

Perhaps we can help her drum up enough help to allow a motel rental that will accept her dog, and a way to get her belongings into storage. Salvation Army might be able to help with that.

In any event, it sounds as if (by your information) the procedure will take 10-20 days, not the four that is so fearsome.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
151. Well, it's the balance of the first ten day period.
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 12:40 AM
Apr 2015

But if she doesn't file an appeal, she is going to be evicted. But I don't see what good an appeal will do, because to stay she will have to pay the rent each month. Also she has to pay at least one month's rent to file an appeal.

REP

(21,691 posts)
154. It still seems she has another 25 day period before she is evicted
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 12:51 AM
Apr 2015

I agree; appealing is pointless as she has lacked the ability to pay for months. Withholding rent because of maintenance issues doesnt work as a defense against eviction anywhere as far as I know, and the real issue is the inability to pay.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
161. Here's what I'm having trouble understanding.
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 01:50 AM
Apr 2015

This poster was begging for help a good six weeks ago. She says she's been in an uninhabitable place for some time now, although the exact length of time has never been stated. I'm guessing she somehow lives in a place where there are no other rental units available whatsoever, which is, quite frankly, hard to believe. I can't quite figure out why in all this time she hasn't moved out, hasn't found another place to live. I can't quite figure out why she is desperate to stay in a place that isn't quite fit for human habitation, according to her.

She has also said that her dog, Yoshi, is liable to attack and do severe damage to unwanted intruders. She seems to think that's okay, that she won't be subject to any kind of legal sanctions if that occurs. I don't believe that there is a blanket amnesty for a vicious dog, just because some stranger intrudes on the property. Vicious dogs need to be restrained. They don't get a free pass at harming humans.

Is there anything else I'm missing?

Oh, yes. She set up a paypal account back in February. Or did she? What did she use the money for? To pay her rent? In which case, why is her landlady suing to get her out of there? All of her claims about not being able to get inspectors to check out the horrendous conditions somehow don't ring true.

She works nights and weekends and that's why she has no friends. Really? I've worked nights and weekends almost all of my working life, and I was able to maintain friendships, despite the inconvenient hours. Why can't TorchTheWitch? None of her family will offer her so much as a couch to sleep on, but has she asked? Is it possible that the vicious dog is an issue?

I suppose this post will be hid by jury, but I still stand by it.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
164. I'm not going to alert on your post.
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 02:19 AM
Apr 2015

But I will gently say that it is unhelpful at this point, as some others posted here also are. Some people will step forward to help with open hands and hearts. Some people will try to make the person justify the situation or be suspicious. The reaction is a litmus test, of sorts.

Let's hope that any of us, in an overwhelming situation, will encounter calm and useful helpers. Desperation can happen to anyone.

 

phil89

(1,043 posts)
239. Why don't you address the points in his post?
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 07:30 PM
Apr 2015

The whole story is suspicious and this is the second instance of cyber begging for this person. She actively finds elaborate, odd reasons that nothing other than receiving cash will help.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
247. Nailed it- she has ignored all links to help....
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 07:55 PM
Apr 2015

Blew off legal aide because they weren't nice enough? What truly desperate person does that?
It's clear she wants cash, and unclear she used last infusion for rent. Sad she wasted a whole year not trying to get a job or move out, but that is her own doing. She needs more help than money at this point, but no one can force her to take it.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
250. I'm not a particularly suspicious person in this kind of situation.
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 08:17 PM
Apr 2015

And thank you for the opportunity to provide my perspective, from my system of values and moral teaching.

Those who follow the teachings of Christianity, Buddhism, and the other traditions of moral values believe in the antithesis of suspicion when meeting someone exhibiting crisis and asking for help. Indeed, the instruction is to deal with the person with compassion, generosity, and common humanity -- indeed, generosity to the point of personal sacrifice.

The fear of being scammed is rooted in Calvinism, and I will have nothing to do with a moral system that assigns relative "worth" to those in need. It is the system that brought forth teabaggery and hoarding of government resources/assets.

If someone appears to me in crisis or need, if I can I will help him/her. No questions to determine worthy-ness asked, no fear of being scammed. What's required of me is my compassion and generosity, not my judgment or suspicion. I fully believe in the concept of "grace" -- which is by definition "unmerited favor".

REP

(21,691 posts)
251. I don't want to help someone stay in crisis
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 08:35 PM
Apr 2015

I don't want to be part of having her stay in a dangerous, expensive apartment she cannot possibly pay for and will constantly be in a state of crisis over as she is behind in rent and cannot pay the back rent, let alone the current rent. I will not help anyone dig their own grave.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
252. nor do I want to help someone stay in crisis
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 08:43 PM
Apr 2015

...and I believe her best bet is to move on. That's not what I was addressing. I'm just saying that I'm not ever, ever, going to work myself up over whether a person in need is a scammer. It's not my job to punish a needy person, or judge him/her. My job is to be compassionate and as helpful as I can be.

Her troubles could befall any of us. Anyone!

Better pay forward, for that time.

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
254. So it's a good lesson to all of us. Don't let things get to this point.
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 09:27 PM
Apr 2015

Situations don't happen all of a sudden. Or at least this one didn't. It was a long time coming.

I am compassionate because I saw my situation coming & let it come, so I know what it feels like to feel helpless against the oncoming train, but that doesn't make it everyone else's fault. The OP saw the house deteriorate and yet she stayed. She saw her savings dwindle and yet she stayed. She stopped paying rent because she was out of money and still she didn't act. She let it happen. I sympathize, but. She's played out the string, and now she has to face it.

We all do. We all have to face our situations, whatever they are, and adapt to our changed circumstances, when it's no longer possible to pretend we can keep things the same as they used to be.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
260. you are right
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 11:45 PM
Apr 2015

and that's a mindset that seems irregular to you, apparently. You look with suspicion, and I won't do that.

 

phil89

(1,043 posts)
303. Then you don't care if it's a scam
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 01:01 PM
Apr 2015

Or not and that does seem irregular to me, but to each their own.

JI7

(89,260 posts)
267. even assuming it's all true i can't see any good reason to pay to stay in that place
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 11:59 PM
Apr 2015

any money people give should best be used for a new place to stay. she said she still doesn't have a job but that is true of the current situation also.

at least in a new place she could try to get one that costs less and is in better condition so she can focus on finding a job instead of legal battles with landlord which doesn't seem to be going anywhere.

 

phil89

(1,043 posts)
255. My concern over being scammed
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 09:47 PM
Apr 2015

is rooted in rational thinking and an acceptance that some people are scammers. The story is absurd, it doesn't make any sense at all, and the poster is working overtime to avoid doing anything to better the situation. I certainly don't look to ancient religions based on human sacrifice to determine how to treat people. Calvinism? Give me a break not everyone takes their cues from religions.

Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
489. I also always give without strings or worry
Tue May 5, 2015, 08:19 PM
May 2015

but I hope that hands on help can be found in this situation. I know what it is like to be so overwhelmed that the simplest of tasks seem impossible to complete and leave one paralyzed. I was lucky enough to have family that came in and did paperwork and made necessary phone calls for me when I could not do it after my husband passed. I have always been such a competent take charge person that I was taken aback at how I completely fell apart and was not able to do even small tasks that I would have done before without a thought.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
162. found on google
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 02:01 AM
Apr 2015
http://www.needhelppayingbills.com/html/pittsburgh_rental_assistance.html



Rent help in Pittsburgh.

Rental assistance is available for Pittsburgh and Allegheny County residents. A number of agencies, churches, non-profits, and government programs focus on providing low income housing and rent help to qualified seniors, the disabled and low income and struggling families in the region.

Information is provided below on who to call and where to apply in Pittsburgh for rental assistance. Many of the agencies and programs listed have limited funding, and they will have their own separate application process, but call and ask for help. Even if the agency can’t provide you or your family with emergency or ongoing rental assistance, they can usually refer you to another service that can help. Other resources may include the federal government or state of Pennsylvania rent assistance programs and resources.

Pittsburgh Presbyterian Lazarus (412-323-1400) can offer at most $250 in one time assistance to help with rental evictions, pay utility bills, and even such expenses as medical bills.

Careline from Catholic Charities is an option for emergency assistance. The main office is at 212 9th Street in Pittsburgh, PA. Call 412-456-6999. Some of the financial assistance offered can help during a short term hardship or emergency, and can, in limited circumstances, be used for housing and/or rent.

Allegheny Churches have formed a partnership known as the Allegheny Valley Association. The main office is in Natrona Heights. Dial 724-226-0606. Residents of East Deer, Brackenridge, Tarentum, , Fawn, Frazier, Harrison, Lower Burrell, Verona, New Kensington, or Arnold can apply for help. A wide variety of bills and expenses can be paid for, including rent, security deposits, food, and more.

Allegheny County Bureau of Hunger and Housing Services (phone (412) 350-4354) runs a homeless assistance program and also provides rental assistance for Allegheny county low income residents.

If you are on the verge of being evicted and therefore homeless, then the North Hills Community Outreach may be an option for you. The non-profit can provide emergency financial assistance for families or individuals who have received an eviction notice, and the goal is to prevent homelessness. Call the Allston Park agency at 412-487-6316.

Sheldon Cooper

(3,724 posts)
167. She's in Philadelphia.
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 08:15 AM
Apr 2015

The Pittsburgh info really won't mean much to her. although it was nice of you to put that all together.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
170. Oh FUCK - gofundme takes 5 to 7 business days to pay out the money you raise
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 08:48 AM
Apr 2015

I've only got a few days left to appeal or pay the judgment. Actually, if I pay the judgment it has to be in the slumlord's hand by the day it's due.

Oh holy shit, I need to talk to an attorney. I still don't know exactly on what day that 10 day count down started. The judge made the judgment on the 24th, it was mailed on the 25th and I got it in the mail on Saturday, the 28th. Then it was Monday that I found out what the damn judgment even meant. That asshole clerk at the district court told me the 10 days started from the date of the judgment, but how was I to know anything about it until I got it in the mail??? I still don't know if the 10 days started on the 24th when he made it or the 25th when it got mailed.

Fuck, fuck, fuck! Now what the hell do I do???

Ok, had a few deep breaths, done with the freaking out now. I have to find out for sure what's going on here. I can't trust what that asshole clerk told me since she didn't have a blithering clue about anything the last time I talked to her. She's rude as hell as well just as a matter of course. She's the nincompoop who actually blithely told me that the judge is biased in favor of landlords! And she said it proudly!

So, I need to talk to one of the real attorneys I asked advice from before and see if they can just explain for certain how much time I have to do what. And like an idiot never bookmarked any of them, so now I have to find them all over again.

No, I've not slept. I tossed and turned for a few hours and gave up once the sun started peeking.

Omaha Steve

(99,682 posts)
171. So does PayPal, you had that problem last time...MOVE OUT
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 09:23 AM
Apr 2015

Last edited Wed Apr 1, 2015, 11:46 AM - Edit history (1)


Don't pay the landlord a dime. They can't get blood out of a turnip. So you owe a dept you can't pay. No big deal. It happens.

Use your donations for a different place. We have to get you out of the cycle your in.

You had the same problems with PayPal not being able to get your $ to you any faster than gofundme. Gofundme me gets 7.9% + .30 cents per donation. DUers know how much we raise for you on the other hand. Right now that is hurting your fund raising effort here.

How was the $ raised by DU used last time? We never got any kind of a total even though we asked. We know it was well over $1,000.

What kind of job skills do you have? What are you willing to do? Without a job you will continually be at risk to lose your place to live.

Help us help you.

OS

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
175. It sounds like TTW needs some tough love here. And may be in denial. Lack of sleep, stress
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 10:26 AM
Apr 2015

maybe some underlying biochemical issues, isolation.

My heart goes out to this woman and her furbaby… but she doesn't seem capable of cutting out the unnecessary drama swirling around her right now and focusing on the next NECESSARY STEP.

I've been in denial about important stuff. The energy it takes to keep on the same unworkable course is tremendous.

So much good happens once you finally make up your mind to stop and change direction.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
179. Good advice.
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 10:49 AM
Apr 2015

There's a ton of good advice on this thread.

It seems the OP simply wants the money and no advice.

Sorry, but that's the way I see it.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
174. At some point you have to start making rational decisions. MOVE OUT! Stop thinking of paying
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 10:23 AM
Apr 2015

to stay.

I kept more or less silent in the thread from weeks ago and this one but it's obvious you need some tough love right now.

MOVE OUT AND START PREPARING TO DO IT.

Also, check your local library for access to computers you can use in case you can't connect using your own for a while.

THAT IS IMPORTANT. Do it today. Find out where you can get internet access at a library and try it so you know how to do it.

……………………………………………………………...

Let go of your misconception that you can somehow make things work by staying where you are.

You apparently haven't paid rent, nor put any into an escrow account. You will have to move out. No attorney can help you.

Any money raised for your benefit needs to go towards temporary housing/rent somewhere else.

So just accept you need to move out by the end of this week. Do that and other things will follow. The energy you are using to fight the inevitable is hurting you.

You don't need an attorney, you don't need to pay your landlord.

You need to start contacting all the numbers offered to you in this thread, open the gofundme page for yourself and start boxing up your stuff- weeding out what you can sell, what you can discard, what you need.

And find out where your closest library is where you can get an internet access.


Jenny Red Eye

(53 posts)
176. In my humble opinion, the people on this thread who are doubting the OP
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 10:41 AM
Apr 2015

are doing a disservice to a long time member of this site.

I feel that doubters should stay out of this thread.

The reason?

We are all adults capable of doing our own due diligence and reaching our own reasoned conclusions concerning the OP.

With that in mind, we will all use are own beliefs and conclusions to, as progressives, either err on the side of compassion, or not.

Expressing disbelief of the OP on a progressive website is not the way to go, in my opinion.

Those whom do not believe the OP have the ignore or hide thread option. People can make up their own minds, and negative and disbelieving comments in this thread have the possibility of doing more harm than good.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
180. The OP posted on a discussion board.
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 10:54 AM
Apr 2015

Your opinion is certainly well and good.

Those of us who are skeptical are not telling anyone else what to do. We're simply discussing the fact that this is the second time in as many months that the OP has asked for $2000.

We "doubters" have the right to post in any thread we choose.

I know of DUers who have been burned in the past in these type posts. I also have a longtime friend with a good heart, who was taken for quite a bit of money donating to someone online, despite my advice not to. I hate scammers. Perhaps the OP is not a scammer, but there are a lot of things that don't add up here.

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
182. Well, Jenny...
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 11:20 AM
Apr 2015

You may not know this, but scams aren't only pulled by people who have just turned up out of the blue.

I've seen some pretty outrageous stuff perpetrated by "long time members" of other sites as well. Who knows why... But lots of people who believed in these "long time members" were hurt.


Also, as I stated up above, there is absolutely nothing wrong with skepticism and doubt.

At some point, people who help want to see PROGRESS. When there doesn't appear to be any progress, I think it's perfectly acceptable to be doubtful, especially when the story just gets more and more weird.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
223. And what does it matter if the poster has been here ony 20 days??
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 04:50 PM
Apr 2015

Did they break the TOS or community standards?? They expressed their opinion, and theyre allowed to do that!

 

phil89

(1,043 posts)
194. Using critical thinking
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 12:33 PM
Apr 2015

Is a good thing. You should always be skeptical of people begging for money online. Posting history and length of membership have nothing to do with whether a persons claims are true. If you notice the effort put in to not being able to do anything or follow suggestions, it seems fishy. It's a classic "yes but" game.

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
202. You think being progressive precludes expressing disbelief? I never heard that.
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 01:12 PM
Apr 2015

People are pointing out that things are not ringing true in this situation as it is being described.

When people ask polite questions—What was the reason the boss fired her and why is that the direct fault of the landlord? Has she asked directly for some concrete, short-term help from her brothers & sister?—the OP doesn't give a straight answer.

When people give concrete advice on how to get out of the situation (Omaha Steve and others have been doing yeoman work) the OP is unresponsive and gets vague again and lapses into another garbled & contradictory recital of the situation.

There are people trying to help—since last night!—but the OP is not listening. Maybe she is experiencing some kind of emotional event that makes her unable to move forward. I understand letting someone vent, but if she wants to get out of this predicament then she needs to stop venting and start taking what has been some very good, very sympathetic advice.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
204. You said that very well.
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 01:24 PM
Apr 2015

There is too much "yes, but" in this thread from the OP.

Several DUers have posted enormously helpful information and kudos to them!



 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
217. Your results are in and they look good.
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 03:18 PM
Apr 2015

On Wed Apr 1, 2015, 02:42 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Tomorrow you will have been a DU member for 3 weeks
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6446672

REASON FOR ALERT

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Explanation: Part of me wants to vote to hide this as a punitive action, as I believe everyone has a right to an opinion.
However, the comment itself has not violated any standards of this community, and so I cannot, in good conscience,
vote to hide it. While I understand those who have been here for very little time can be suspect, the comment this posting replies to seemed earnest, and far from the usual inflammatory bombast that demands judgment.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
178. I live in Florida and am a property manager.
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 10:49 AM
Apr 2015

In my area, when it comes to evictions, I have to have every single i dotted and t crossed. Renters have rights and the court system here respects those rights. Any judge around here who acted in the manner you are describing wouldn't last. Actions like the ones you describe cost the courts huge amounts of time and money with repeat visits and civil suits. I am terribly sorry about what you are going through. I think it is interesting that the courts in Florida seem to be more equitable in this area than courts in Pennsylvania. When it comes to non-payment these issues are normally very cut and dry.

AMAR0113

(5 posts)
187. Family?!?!
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 11:48 AM
Apr 2015

Does anyone know or is very close to TorchTheWitch that would be able to talk her into giving them her brother(s) or sister(s) email address? Maybe someone can talk to them on her behalf and tell them how much she is in dire need of help. Since her family doesn't seem to be listening to her and she has no friends to talk to them for her.

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
188. I'd start packing, get the car fixed,
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 11:49 AM
Apr 2015

put up a GoFundMe page, and get out of that lousy place. The landlord will never fix it up and will always be a pain to deal with. I can't think of any reason to stick around there. Let DUers help you out as they see fit and be prepared to leave.

I see no other path out of your dilemma. I'd use your remaining time to prepare to leave and then leave.

 

phil89

(1,043 posts)
193. I notice you post
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 12:29 PM
Apr 2015

About 20 paragraphs explaining Why every suggestion is impossible. This sounds fishy to me. Claiming your landlord got you fired because your boss was tired of housing problems? Absurd. And didn't you have a gofundme set up? I hope people think before blindly accepting these manic claims.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
218. I agree. After reading through all the posts I have to
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 03:39 PM
Apr 2015

admit that I am more than a little skeptical of the claims stated.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
228. Yes, though skepticism needn't preclude empathy...
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 05:49 PM
Apr 2015

The sort of problem that is not being named also creates dysfunction in a person's life and can and should also be addressed.

From a distance it's impossible to know this situation and it's complexities.

This person's best chance for meaningful help seems to be through a professional social worker who can advise and direct the soon to be evicted to meaningful assistance...for whatever problems are present and pending.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
231. I understand. I think that's valid. Even with such doubt empathy is possible
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 06:27 PM
Apr 2015

You and I, deprived of history and current details really can't know beyond a doubt what's going on.

BUT...referral to a social worker who can get the facts and sort out the nature of the problem that exists can set the person on a plan to deal with it.

I have no reason to doubt or believe that this could be housing or emotional needs or financial need or really some mixture of several or all of those...whatever it is, some help getting aimed at the correct service seems in order

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
227. Here's where things stand now
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 05:44 PM
Apr 2015

Sorry, but I've been on the phone with so many people getting information since 9 a.m. and I swear my ears are bleeding along with what little is left of my brain.

It took ages to find any attorneys that dealt with landlord/tenant issues in the area that were actually available to talk to, but I finally found three. These were different ones than the ones I talked to before just because I never bookmarked them and couldn't find them again. I also talked to someone in legal aid again.

All of them said to appeal - no question. All were amazed and appalled by the behavior of the district judge and never heard of anything like that happening before (aren't I just so lucky to get the biggest Republican asshole judge in creation) especially considering it was a "house falling down" situation that's so bad that the township inspector is making her fix everything by X amount of time. One said that because I'm low income I might not have to pay anything more to file the appeal than that $285.50 filing fee. This bit got confusing so I called the clerk at the county court again and talked to a supervisor that was helpful.

Though I'd have to pay the $285.50 filing fee regardless there's some provision or law for low income people where they may not have to also put up the amount of the judgment - that almost $2000 judgment ($1905 and change I think) which is apparently like collateral I guess if you lose the appeal and then that money goes to the landlord. Once I come in to file an appeal I get a pamphlet they have for us low income folks and someone there decides if I have to pay all the amount of the judgment, part of it or none of it. She said since I only have tomorrow and Monday (yes! because of the court being closed Friday for the holiday I get to have Monday as another day to file!) that I should come in with all of the money equaling the judgment amount since I won't have any more days left to come back again in case whoever makes this decision decides that I have to pay all or some of it in order to file at all. I can't go to the court tomorrow because I have to get the tires on the car fixed first or I'm afraid I won't make it, so it's going to have to be Monday - the last day I have.

Back to the attorneys again... legal aid (when I called before) was actually right that appealing may be a lot cheaper than paying the landlord the judgment, and if I do decide to pay the landlord the judgment it puts me right back to the beginning again though they didn't say anything about this law or whatever it is for low income people.

I have no idea who makes the decision about what if anything I'd need to pay concerning the judgment amount or what they base it on. For all I know it could be some jerk making these decisions willy nilly. They just keep telling me to bring the whole judgment amount (cash only) just in case I end up having to pay any of it or all of it to file the appeal. This seems nuts to me, but that's how they do it.

The problem I now have is gofundme because you can't get the money donated for 5 to 7 business days which is far too late. I don't know if you can get it any faster like with paypal with giving them banking info and so forth. Does anyone know? If I end up having to pay all or part of the judgment amount to even be able to file an appeal at all if I don't have the money in hand when I go to file the appeal for that then I end up screwed and with no time left to do anything. Has anyone here actually used gofundme and is there a way to get the money faster like paypal does?

After not being able to sleep for two nights in a row again I'm just about going to slide right under my desk.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
233. No way to get the money faster.
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 06:47 PM
Apr 2015

Many of us will not donate any other way. If you have a GoFundMe set up please link to it.

metalbot

(1,058 posts)
235. This isn't meant to be mean...
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 07:14 PM
Apr 2015

...but if you had set up a gofundme yesterday, it would be 4 to 6 days rather than 5 to 7. If you wait until next week to set up a gofundme, it will still be 5 to 7 days then.

Your situation is very bad. It will not be magically better next week.

Even if someone were to get you enough money to cover your appeal, you will owe another $1200 in 30 days, and you are unemployed with no reliable transportation. Add to that the fact that even if you get an appeal, you may not win, and you'll be so stressed out by the appeal process, you are going to have a hard time working. You are on an incredibly slippery slope that is going to get progressively worse here.

How about we not wait for a post that says "OMG, I'm being evicted right now" which is followed up with "I need money for a hotel, but it's going to take 5 to 7 days to get money through gofundme. Is there any way to get money faster?"

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
236. Stop wasting time on dreaming about the appeal working. Set up the gofundme page-
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 07:18 PM
Apr 2015

find out where the nearest library is with computer access, get boxes and start packing.

And as for Yoshi here is the website for an Akita rescue group. They will help you find a temporary foster home for Yoshi until you have another place to live and job:

http://www.bigeastakitarescue.net/

http://akita.rescueshelter.com/Pennsylvania

You aren't getting the money for an appeal. It wouldn't work cause you haven't paid your damn rent and don't have it in escrow.

No attorney or legal aid can magically produce that back rent for you and no law is going to retroactively provide that back rent for you.

It doesn't matter if it's a broken down, uninhabitable dump. It doesn't matter if you put your own money into fixing something.

YOU HAVEN'T PAID RENT.

 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
246. I have to get the tires on the car fixed first
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 07:48 PM
Apr 2015

For about 10 bucks you can get a few cans of "flat fix" to spray into the tires to stop the slow leaks.

Works every time.

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
249. You really need to get the hell out of Dodge.
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 08:00 PM
Apr 2015

Your current living situation is untenable. Stop throwing good money after bad.

Help us help you. I hope this time you use the money from DU to find a place that is comfortable and affordable. This constant drama cannot be good for you on any level and it's no way to live.

Best regards for a better outcome this time.

Response to TorchTheWitch (Reply #227)

Omaha Steve

(99,682 posts)
230. Here is where many Duers are on this NOT ONE DIME to appeal or keep you living there!!!
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 06:13 PM
Apr 2015

You would just be pushing the trouble down the road for another month and coming back in an ongoing cycle. Read over the many good ideas about sharing rent with somebody that already has a place etc.

Several people didn't give last time because of unanswered questions, no gofundme, etc.

Tough love. Help us help you.

I'm going to a ball game and will be back in 5 or so hours.

OS

Omaha Steve

(99,682 posts)
257. I came home to lots of email on this while I was gone
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 11:15 PM
Apr 2015

(NU beat UNO in an extra inning: http://www.omaha.com/sports/huskers-slip-past-mavs-in-innings/article_fe47836c-d8d8-11e4-b662-3b3891c76fe1.html)

I can't get through all the mail and respond tonight. I'm babysitting in the morning. I'll be posting on this sometime tomorrow.

OS

Omaha Steve

(99,682 posts)
275. It isn't pretty
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 10:04 AM
Apr 2015

Last Christmas Eve Marta and I donated to 10 different individuals that sent a request for $ after this post: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025981250

Every one of them sent a personal thank you.

TorchTheWitch didn't bother to thank anyone individually after her request for $ in February. Perhaps she was too involved to have the time, unlike others that seemed more grateful.

We didn't hear from her about the $ that were raised and used after several requests for an update. In fact we didn't hear from her until over a month later to ask for more $, again at the very last minute. Still no gofundme account etc.

For over four weeks not a word. She certainly didn't take any advice from people that gave $. It makes it hard to come back to them again for more $.

She has never replied to me personally in public or private when I have asked questions. Red flag?

Any help at this point from several DUers comes with strings. No $ to help with an appeal or to stay in slum conditions. There are people with $ and a place to stay short term. She will need a photo ID and a paper trail of what she has said is going on in her life.

Maybe now she will finally answer some questions she has never answered before?

And last her PayPay account is on a fraud watch. I wonder why? Feel free to call PayPal and ask.

OS


 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
276. Oh wow.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 10:27 AM
Apr 2015

Very sad, but DUers who gave are good people.

It appears the OP is not.

The fraud watch makes me wonder if she is doing this elsewhere as well.

Perhaps those with direct experience should contact PayPal.

285. I also wonder why the OP never invoked the
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 11:11 AM
Apr 2015

implied warranty of habit­ability.....It's universal almost everywhere and gives the tenants major rights when it comes to repairs. This is PA law: http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/free-books/renters-rights-book/chapter7-2.html Broken plumbing, burst hot water heaters and ceilings about to come down ALL fall under "major" repairs since these issues directly affect habitability. An emergency like a burst hot water heater would have to be dealt with pretty much immediately (like with-in 24 hours if I read the other links correctly that I googled)..... http://www.tenant.net/Other_Areas/Penn/harris/pa-part2.html

As long as you give WRITTEN notice to the landlord a tenant has the right to "withhold rent or repair and deduct". You don't wait a week to get a hot water heater fixed. If it ain't fixed in a day, you give written notice to the landlord that you're going to 1) withhold rent until it is or 2) deduct REASONABLE cost of repairs from the rent and take care of it yourself....and have all paperwork and receipts available! And no judge is going to side with the landlord if you've got documentation proving habitability of the unit is compromised. The law was even changed in recent years so that landlords could not use the withholding of rent due to needed habitability repairs as grounds for eviction.

herding cats

(19,566 posts)
288. So what?
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 12:17 PM
Apr 2015

So they were a stripper back in what, 2006ish? What, exactly, does this have to do with anything now?

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
289. I read through the entire thread.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 12:22 PM
Apr 2015

There is an entirely different persona than being presented here.

I found it relevant that the OP would say she would "wipe her ass" with $10. Of you don't, that's fine.

herding cats

(19,566 posts)
291. I read it as well.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 12:38 PM
Apr 2015

From what I could tell it was 9 years ago or so ago. I'm not sure since I couldn't find any timestamps, but that would fit with the topic of discussion pretty close. A lot can change in that length of time. I know it has in my life.

I don't see it as relevant to this discussion. If anything it just looked mean to me.

I'm not trying to detract from some of the honest questions the folks here have, but I don't think your contribution of that post means anything in regards to this situation.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
294. You're certainly welcome
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 12:46 PM
Apr 2015

to your opinion.

Alert if you want.

What I find mean is that it appears this OP has taken advantage of the goodness of DUers.

herding cats

(19,566 posts)
296. I'm not going to alert.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 12:52 PM
Apr 2015

I just don't understand why you posted that the way you did. So, I asked. You replied, and we don't agree in this instance. Such is life on a discussion board. I'm ok with that.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
317. These links were sent to me while I was pming about this odd request for money
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 01:28 PM
Apr 2015

with other DUers. I'm not the only one concerned.

IF the OP is taking advantage, it can hurt a future request for money from someone who may legitimately need it.

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
301. That was just braggadocio.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 12:59 PM
Apr 2015

It was a way of boasting that she made a lot of money as a stripper, so winning $10 from the DUer on that thread who wanted to make a bet with her wouldn't impress her.

But I agree, the TTW persona posting throughout that thread is articulate, forms her thoughts logically, and backs up assertions with facts. Maybe nine years of meds has deteriorated her thought processes. Maybe—is it possible that it's a different person altogether? Someone else has been using TTW's account?

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
333. Could be.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 02:04 PM
Apr 2015

Never thought of that.

But yes, that person sounded self assured and seemed to have some knowledge of the law.

The OP has now a persona of a naïve, innocent victim who has been taken advantage of.

It doesn't jibe.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
293. Yes she's made no bones about being a stripper. Has been for as long as she's been on DU
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 12:41 PM
Apr 2015

Except now she's a (unemployed) bartender.

It's entirely plausible she's not a stripper any more though. I'd guess there's the inevitability of time that would keep that kind of career to a few years when a young woman is well, young.

She always had family issues. IIRC, (and I may be wrong - there was another stripper who posted here on DU).




 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
358. It's quite possible. Obviously people can make large career changes
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 02:40 PM
Apr 2015

I guess I don't remember much about TTW and the other stripper here other than they were/are firm advocates of female agency in regards to what I believe are exploitative careers like stripping (and no I'm NOT trying to derail this thread by getting sidetracked into a convo about sex workers!)

And they were both on the outs with their family - a trivial detail that somehow resonated with me as being really sad.



 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
383. Certainly, a person can change jobs.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 03:44 PM
Apr 2015

Bit if she were indeed a paralegal at one time - why the naïveté in regard to the law?

Just so many questions here.

Omaha Steve

(99,682 posts)
282. I learned a few things when I worked for the Omaha Police Dept before retiring last November
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 10:56 AM
Apr 2015

There is more to be coming out about this soon. But let's give her a chance to reply to this directly first.

https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/helpcenter/helphub/home/?action=callus#

Call us: 1-888-221-1161

Our service hours:

4:00 AM to 10:00 PM Pacific Time Monday through Friday
6:00 AM to 8:00 PM Pacific Time Saturday and Sunday
Please note that hours of operation may vary on holidays

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
292. the assholes at a Conservative website are following this thread. So they probably screwed
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 12:40 PM
Apr 2015

over her Paypal account in the last day or so. Remember what those assholes did to Andy who actually had pancreatic cancer? They prevented him from getting money for hospital treatments.

All it would take is a few of the assholes to donate a dollar and then contact Paypal and claim it's fraud.

herding cats

(19,566 posts)
290. What causes a fraud watch on a PayPal account?
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 12:28 PM
Apr 2015

Could it be something like some people donating a dollar and then filing a complaint?

The reason I'm asking is, I was called to a jury about someone here linking to a conversation going on over at that "hate on DU" site and it appears they're very much involved in this topic.

I'm not attempting to refute your concerns, they appear honest and not irrational at all, and I understand your wanting clarification. I'm just curious if you know more about what causes a PayPal account to be reviewed for fraud? I googled it before bothering you and couldn't find anything conclusive.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
297. This is going the very same direction that the Andy thing did.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 12:53 PM
Apr 2015

Yes, it starts with a small donation and then a "concerned customer" calls customer service and Wham.

herding cats

(19,566 posts)
307. I thought that may be how it worked
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 01:05 PM
Apr 2015

I looked around the internet but there's nothing out there saying so one way or the other. At least not that I saw.

I looked at the thread which was linked in the post I juried. The Ugliness was off the hook. Which made me suspicious when I saw OS post about the fraud watch.

Thanks for the info!

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
298. I donated a dollar
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 12:53 PM
Apr 2015

after finding out about the fraud watch just to see if it would go through or if the account might be closed.

Apparently it went through.

After finding out about the fraud watch I went back to Paypal and asked for a cancellation of the transfer but did not file a fraud claim.

I received an email from Paypal stating that if the transfer has already gone through, I can request a refund from the other party.

I'm thinking that asking the OP for the dollar back might be sort of petty, yet OTOH, it bothers me to think that Paypal might see my very small donation as being part of whatever fraud they might be looking for in TTW's account.

tblue37

(65,458 posts)
464. About PayPal fraud watch: the money DU donated for Andy Stephenson's operation was
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 03:09 PM
Apr 2015

held up for some time because some RWers provoked a PayPal fraud watch on it. IOW, that in itself is not evidence of actual fraud. I have no opinion either way on this particular case. I just remember what happened with Andy's PayPal donations.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
377. In general all of us are willing to help. We help with causes large and small daily.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 03:29 PM
Apr 2015

But we also select the causes in which we believe the hours of our lives (which is what wages are) will provide effective help.

The exchange rate for an hour of my life is about $18. That is the price I sell them for. When preconditions of help are in fact the root causes of the problem (a: I won't move and b: I won't adopt out my pet), donors aren't helping. At worst, they could be considered enabling.

I think a better way to help is to donate to the local no-kill shelter so that people are more willing to make necessary choices to avoid homelessness.

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
238. Shorter everybody: Cut bait.
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 07:29 PM
Apr 2015

Time to close out this chapter of your life and go start the next one. Good luck.

 

dissentient

(861 posts)
241. Assuming all of this is true, I'd listen to what many duers are saying. Don't use any money to
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 07:34 PM
Apr 2015

appeal, not in a place described as barely habitable, and with the landlord from hell.

Time to move out of that dump and hell hole. $1250 dollars a month rent, for a single person, and it is not in Los Angeles, San Francisco, or California, or New York, or some other place normally really expensive? Wow. It is hard to believe that place is a dump and not worthy of human habitation, when they charge that much.

Have you looked in Craig's list under "shared housing?" You can find many really cheap places that way, where people are offering to rent a room in a house or apartment, and with a little work, even some places will allow a pet like a dog. I promise there are rooms being offered for rent that are much cheaper than $1250 dollars a month.

But let's say you stay there, and ignore all the advice, and duers bail you out again. Then what will you do in a month's time, when the rent comes due once again? Come back to DU, and then tell another story about your desperate situation? Eventually, that well will dry up.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
281. The OP's paypal account is under fraud watch.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 10:54 AM
Apr 2015

I truly now believe this is a scam.

How utterly horrid to take advantage of the goodheartedness of DUers.

I am sickened.

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
244. Don't appeal and don't pay her.
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 07:44 PM
Apr 2015

You need to find out exactly when you will have to get out. From reading this thread it could be another 25 days before they throw you out.

Contact Catholic Charities and the other charitable organizations specifically mentioned in this thread.
Get your car fixed, you said someone will do it at no cost, so there's no excuse to not get that done.
Find a place for your dog. I have pets and I know how hard it'll be to be separated, but having a large dog like that will diminish the number of places you can move to.
Look on Craigslist for a room to rent.
If you don't have a gofundme set up, set it up now.
Take whatever donations you get to put down a deposit on another place.
Keep looking for a job, but the charitable organizations should be able to help you out.
And at this point you might as well look for a place to live that had more job opportunities. You're going to have to move, might as be somewhere you can get a job.

Since you are behind on rent AND haven't put that aside in an escrow account, there's no hope in staying there unless you get enough to cover all the arrears. Plus you'll stil live in a crap place. Move on.

Stop thinking you're going to stay there. You need to accept the reality of this situation and act accordingly. Start packing.

Response to TorchTheWitch (Original post)

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
263. This will be my one and only post on this subject.
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 11:50 PM
Apr 2015

1. Get your Go Fund Me page set up.

2. Forget about spending money on the appeal. Start packing.

3. Use whatever money you get to find new housing. If necessary, stay in a pet-friendly hotel for a few days while you're looking.

4. Look seriously for a job. DU is not likely to pay your rent every month.

5. When people who have donated or are thinking about donating ask how the money will be spent, do them the courtesy of answering instead of rehashing the same story over and over again.

6. I strongly suggest some counseling. You have obviously been under a lot of stress, and you are frankly making some poor decisions.

Good luck to you.

PersonNumber503602

(1,134 posts)
269. I usually do not comment on threads like this
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 04:23 AM
Apr 2015

I'm not sure if anyone suggested this, but you might seriously consider trying to find a cheap room to rent with any money you may have donated to you. I am not sure of the rental prices in your area, but if you can find something for $450 - $500/mo, that would give you some breathing room to get things going in a positive direction. Having a dog will likely make that a little bit more difficult, but I'm sure you'd be able to find one where pets are cool (a house with dogs already) I'm assuming you'd also have some furniture that will be need to be put in storage. As shitty as it might be, you might consider trying to sell some of it off. Not only will that help you with cash, but it would reduce your overall costs for moving it and storage. The furniture is probably the thing that I would find the most difficult if I was in your situation, because storage and moving it can be expensive. Whereas if you didn't have to deal with that, then you and your dog could just move into a cheap furnished room w/ utilities, TV and internet, and be fine for a few months with just a couple thousand dollars. It would be tight, but would give room to breathe.

Craigslists is usually a good place to find rooms for rent. I've done it before when I moved to a new city and needed a place to stay while looking for a more permanent situation (I hate rushing into long-term leases) If you do look into that, you'll need to move quickly because even less formal arrangements can take time to get organized.

Just some thoughts. Disregard if none of that fits into your plans or situation.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
284. TTW, you need to answer the questions that keep coming up re your many stories.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 11:07 AM
Apr 2015

If you have taken advantage of the goodness of DU, then you should be ashamed to the depths of your soul.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
295. ***Someone said almost the exact same thing to Andy back in the day***
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 12:51 PM
Apr 2015

And then he died.

Here's the thing, no one is holding a fucking gun to my head, telling me to "donate or else."

I have watched this turn very ugly over the last day and am reminded in so many ways of what happened to Andy. It's disgusting, whether I believe TTW's story in total or not. It can be as simple as trashing the thread or skipping over it. No one is demanding that you donate. No one demanded donations for Andy. Yet people spewed the exact same accusations at him and about him. It remains one of the darkest events in DU's history for me.

This has become sick.

I don't tell the vet on the street corner that he NEEDS to answer questions as a precursor to me handing him a $20. That's akin to saying someone on an EBT account NEEDS to dress like he/she needs help. I do it because I WANT to, and I certainly don't NEED a contingent of DUers doing crazy detective work on another DUer (I mean really...who the shit cares about what TTW did for a living a fucking decade ago?).

Seriously, people, take a break, take a breath and walk away if you have an issue. Jeebus.

Have a nice day DU,

Laura



 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
304. ^^This^^
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 01:02 PM
Apr 2015
I do it because I WANT to, and I certainly don't NEED a contingent of DUers doing crazy detective work on another DUer (I mean really...who the shit cares about what TTW did for a living a fucking decade ago?).


Exactly. I was fairly shocked when I saw a poster here reference his time in the police dept. when asked how he found certain information out. It's really bordering creepy to think someone's privacy may have been invaded because they didn't thank someone for a donation.



ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
313. Me too. I understand the well-intentioned worry, but the Internet sleuthing
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 01:19 PM
Apr 2015

and downright nasty is nuts. And the backpedaling from "concern trolling..." They can simply snap their wallets shut if they are so worried.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
315. These links were sent to me from other DUers.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 01:26 PM
Apr 2015

I thought they were relevant.

Feel free to alert. I'll happily take the hide.

I think the OP has been dishonest. I could be wrong, but there are so many discrepancies in this tale - as well as asking for the $2000 in as many months.

Many of us are legitimately concerned.

As has been stated in another post, the OP's paypal account is on fraud watch. I find that to be of concern even without the other red flags.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
379. I don't do alerting.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 03:30 PM
Apr 2015

I face things head on. Seeing as it's happened before (a DUer's PayPal account being put on fraud watch), I see it more as someone kicking someone who is already down. Laughing and taunting and dredging up a person's work history doesn't really strike me as concern as much as it strikes me as cruel.

Those who choose to donate, can. Freely. Those who don't, don't have to. I appreciate the very valid tough love comments some have posted here. Those aren't the ones that are troubling.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
380. Well, if you're inferring
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 03:41 PM
Apr 2015

that I had anything to do with that, you're wrong.

I wouldn't have a clue how to do something like that. I don't even have a paypal account.

I don't alert either.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
382. Why would you think that? I merely stated what can happen, that it has happened here,
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 03:44 PM
Apr 2015

and it's (PayPal fraud checks) not an indicator of anything much to me, especially where PayPal is concerned. My clients pay me through PayPal, and the platform can be infuriating as heck.

Sometimes, hoof beats really ARE just horses and not zebras.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
384. Absolutely.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 03:46 PM
Apr 2015

Last edited Thu Apr 2, 2015, 09:01 PM - Edit history (1)

I did not know that paypal accounts could be compromised.

I apologize for misinterpreting your post.

Edited because of auto correct that was actually HILARIOUS.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
397. You completely misunderstood me if
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 05:18 PM
Apr 2015

you think I care about what her occupation was, or is.

I've had friends from all walks of life. I've had various jobs as well. Never would I judge a person on their job (or lack thereof)>

My point (and I should have made it clearer I can see now) is that the person posting did not seem ANYTHING like the OP.

I did not make it clear, and I'm sorry for that.

In a thread this large, no one will ever see this lol.

Omaha Steve

(99,682 posts)
399. LOL
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 06:24 PM
Apr 2015



To be sure I posted none of the job, life, etc info that has come up today. There are a lot of private notes flying around.

Several DUers were willing to put up the $ for a room, moving & or storing her stuff if necessary, and some seed cash.

They just want to be assured they aren't being scammed after things that started popping up yesterday.

I gave her the chance to clear her name today. As far as I know as of now, she hasn't tried to do so. It has been 24 hours since her last post.

As far as fraud, if she solicited $ for circumstances different than she told us, the amount SHE mentioned she got makes it a felony. That would be up to the individuals that donated to have Paypal take action with her local police. As somebody else mentioned, I believe others than DUers started that action.

OS

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
409. Thanks for this.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 08:19 PM
Apr 2015

I know none of her job, life, etc. info that you might have learned.

I just got suspicious. Other DUers were too, and a few pmed back and forth with me. I will not mention their names, but I did learn a lot.

I'm not internet savvy enough to be an "internet sleuth", but I'm glad those posters are.

Keep us posted.

Lol, I may have to give up on this thread because it is just too large.

Such a shame if this is a fraud. I'd actually rather be wrong...it was just that every bs radar beacon I have went off at the same time...

I was accused of being cruel; I'm not. I simply asked questions from the beginning.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
427. Another stupid alert crushed~
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 11:02 AM
Apr 2015

On Fri Apr 3, 2015, 10:47 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

LOL
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6452633

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

These accusations of fraud are over the line. The fact that this person used to work for the police department and is talking about having all of this personal information on someone and he's "giving her a chance to clear her name" is creepy as hell. If this guy has any proof at all, he should take it up with the proper authorities. Since it is specifically against DU rules to post any personal information about any DU member, this threat to reveal her information if she doesn't "clear her name today" is absolutely creepy and 100% inappropriate. This reeks of authoritarianism and honestly, it's borderline harassment, blackmail and stalking.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Apr 3, 2015, 10:58 AM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Stupid alert. The truth hurts. Let TTW respond, don't hide it. No personal info has been exposed in this post.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The alerter is wrong. OS is just trying to protect DU members from possible fraud. Very possible fraud.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Admins have not apparently vetted the original cry for help, and therefore the alerted post is okay by me. I had my own suspicions, too, and the silence of the staff hadn't helped.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The post does not say what you claim.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Silly alert, vs Omaha Steve??? REALLY? LEAVE IT!

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

I was #3

Omaha Steve

(99,682 posts)
430. I don't remember saying what the synopsis says
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 11:35 AM
Apr 2015

Thank you jurors!!!


TTW was offered a free place and expenses. They just wanted to be sure they were not being scammed was a fair comment. Close to 24 hours later no reply from her to take it. Forty hours since she has posted at all.

Never said I'd post personal info and have not done so.

"Clear her name TODAY????

Saying her account is on a fraud watch is much different than accusing of fraud. And I had nothing to do with it.

I said I had proof?

I said "IF" she solicited for $ for circumstances different than she told us.


And after several negative comments in this post about an offer for a place to stay, I doubt the sincere offer to help TTW from several DUers for a place to say etc. are still valid. So those that were so worried about helping TTW screwed it up.

OS


You decide: To be sure I posted none of the job, life, etc info that has come up today. There are a lot of private notes flying around.

Several DUers were willing to put up the $ for a room, moving & or storing her stuff if necessary, and some seed cash.

They just want to be assured they aren't being scammed after things that started popping up yesterday.

I gave her the chance to clear her name today. As far as I know as of now, she hasn't tried to do so. It has been 24 hours since her last post.

As far as fraud, if she solicited $ for circumstances different than she told us, the amount SHE mentioned she got makes it a felony. That would be up to the individuals that donated to have Paypal take action with her local police. As somebody else mentioned, I believe others than DUers started that action.

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
424. That was my take on it as well
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 10:18 AM
Apr 2015

I couldn't believe the two could be the same person.

The writing style. The cavalier attitude toward money, even something as paltry as ten dollars.

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
428. hahaha!!!
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 11:04 AM
Apr 2015

You and me both.

I don't use money, but Mr Pipi does. He leaves change in his pockets all the time, so when I find coins in the laundry I laugh like a fiend and put it into my change jar with the rest of the pennies, dimes and quarters.




 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
308. People are allowed to be interested in this, as a morality tale.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 01:10 PM
Apr 2015

I don't have an issue. I'm just interested in it as a story, as how humans interact in a given situation. Sorry you don't think I should be, Laura, but I'm going to be anyway.

One difference from your vet (or a non-vet, even) on the street corner is that he is in front of you, in person, and you have a lot more to go on as to whether you're going to give him money. You can look into his eyes, for example. Get a feel for him from his tone of voice. Unless you're admitting that all anyone has to do to get money from you is to ask. And, if that is so, may I have $20 please?

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
314. A month ago, or a decade ago?
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 01:22 PM
Apr 2015

What happened a month ago is very relevant. What happened a decade ago, and her occupation, is irrelevant.
I imagine someone ran across that $10 comment while searching to see if she had asked DU for money in the past.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
320. Here's the thing. I still don't see a gun pointed at anyone's head.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 01:31 PM
Apr 2015

Often, I hide threads. Those who are "concerned" should try it. Everyone is a grownup here.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
323. Yes, we're all grown ups. We work hard for our money.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 01:37 PM
Apr 2015

Many people want to help a fellow DUer if there is a real need, and if they think their donation will be used wisely. The fact that this happened a month ago, and there were no updates or thank yous, is troubling.

You can follow your own advice and hide the thread.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
337. Relieve yourself from attitude patrol.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 02:11 PM
Apr 2015

Go ahead and take your own advice. Take a breath, hide the thread, and move on.


Other opinions don't bother me, so I have no need to hide the thread.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
360. if the current posting style is different from the past it is relevant
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 02:45 PM
Apr 2015

furthermore, if you ask for money here, expect people to ask questions or don't ask for money in a discussion thread.

furthermore, the above times ten if you ask for money via a paypal account that has a fraud alert associated with it.

Ellipsis

(9,124 posts)
395. Perhaps she has better things to do then read a bunch of bullshit theories...
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 05:12 PM
Apr 2015

...like maybe resolving her situation.

Response to Omaha Steve (Reply #400)

Ellipsis

(9,124 posts)
411. I remember the bulk of that last time, I kinda thought she pulled in some cash too
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 09:02 PM
Apr 2015


Just sayin' she ain't here right now...

...maybe she IS playin' us, maybe she just fucked up (more then once), maybe she has drug problems, maybe other problems, dunno.

Let's see where it goes.

Perhaps she lands on the street. I'd guess not. She definitely strikes me shes playing the victim card.

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
316. You wrote, "walk away if you have an issue."
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 01:28 PM
Apr 2015

You wrote, "I don't tell the vet on the street corner that he NEEDS to answer questions as a precursor to me handing him a $20."

Am I wrong in interpreting that to mean that you disapprove of people who have questions of someone before they part with their money?

Again, if you think it is distasteful of people to be skeptical of someone on the internet, whom they can't see, who might be scamming them, and you would NEVER be so skeptical—well, may I have $20 of yours please?

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
318. I disapprove of people "sleuthing" out of "concern."
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 01:30 PM
Apr 2015

Walk away.

And no, I don't "sense" something in someone's eyes when I help someone out. I simply help them or I don't. Walk away.

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
327. So help me out. Give me $20.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 01:52 PM
Apr 2015

I haven't been sleuthing anywhere. I did read Omaha Steve's link to the OP's previous request for money, that he offered as background, as context. I watched the OP evade answering people's questions, that they asked because there were holes in her (very melodramatic) story.

You apparently give money to people based on their length of time at DU. Well, I've been here a long time. I'm not working & could use it. Give me $20.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
332. Thank you for proving the point so succinctly in this response.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 02:04 PM
Apr 2015

Cruelty.

Here's the thing, I would if I could. The only thing (since search for responses made by other DUers is a "thing&quot I've been able to offer TTW is emotional support.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
346. You're welcome.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 02:26 PM
Apr 2015

I think it is cruel to dun DUers for money under false premises.

Cruel, wrong, and just plain dishonest.

I'm not the only one doubting this "fund drive," but you seem to have attached yourself to whatever it is I post.

Perhaps YOU should take a deep breath.

At any rate, you've made your feelings clear to me. I'm allowed to post wherever I want. And I will.

Now, I will bid you good day.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
341. YOU disapprove. It's allowed behavior here, so perhaps you are the one who should walk away.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 02:20 PM
Apr 2015

Others who are casting doubt on the OP's story have the exact same privilege to post those doubts in this thread as you have to provide TTW with unwavering support.
That's part of the messiness of an unmoderated discussion board with a loose TOS.

Lex

(34,108 posts)
344. Plus when you come to an open forum and ask for money
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 02:24 PM
Apr 2015

you also open yourself up to a certain amount of scrutiny. That's not new nor unexpected.




HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
375. This thread has gone awry so I feel safe this aside about vets and vets panhandling...
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 03:27 PM
Apr 2015

I've spent a fair amount of time at the Milw VA in recent years.

And because that hospital is crowded and not really a place to let your guard down, I watch what goes on around me. As you might guess, there are vets in pretty terrible circumstances one might call them extremely challenging. I think you'd be hard pressed to find a group of people more in-tune to what it means to be knocked down and fighting to get up...

And it's my experience (admittedly I'm just one observer) that between 2009 and now vets at the Zablocki much dislike being approached on the VA sidewalk or in the hallways of the clinics for handouts.

It usually results in complaints to staff. I've never seen a $20 passing between people and I've seen a couple of guys get escorted off the campus for doing it.




HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
391. Yes, I suppose that's true, too, because all these things reflect human responses.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 04:38 PM
Apr 2015

on both the large and small scale I think this is about viewing and reacting to human need, not necessarily with money.

 

phil89

(1,043 posts)
310. Because we care
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 01:14 PM
Apr 2015

About whether we're giving to a scammer or not. All evidence points to it being a scam. Use reason not emotion

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
311. Emotion? LOL A plea for sanity is just that.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 01:17 PM
Apr 2015

This is less of a "worried about a scam" and more of a sick game. Don't donate. Move on. We're all adults here who can form our own opinions without the crazy. Those who are reasoned and actually helping TTW break out of this cycle are doing an incredible job.

Step outside. Breathe the fresh air. Do something with your day instead of imagining a gun to your head, telling you that you must donate. It's freeing.

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
325. On breaking out of the cycle...
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 01:42 PM
Apr 2015
Those who are reasoned and actually helping TTW break out of this cycle are doing an incredible job.



Just wondering how that's going.

I don't see it going anywhere, to be honest.

Tons and tons of really good suggestions/advice in this thread.

Nearly all of it being kicked to the curb. Instead, there's the same weird requests for money so someone can stay in the same rat hole of a situation.


FGS, it's not even like the OP has to actually think of a solution while being in "crisis mode", since others are doing it for her. Just freaking pick one solution and DO it.

And as far as people being a tad bit upset that they weren't thanked for last time they gave, hey...people like feeling appreciated. How difficult would it have been after the last crisis was over to say a personal "thanks" to all the people who donated? Good manners and all that.

I even expect it from my own daughter, not that I ever had to speak to her about it because she never fails to thank me for whatever I do for my grandson...whether it's to give her money for his summer clothes because he's outgrown his clothing from the previous year, or pay for his school lunches, or buy him school supplies. She always thanks me and sends me photos of what she's bought him with the money I send her.

In 2013 I found out he needed a scarf and hat so I made him one of each and gave it to him for Christmas that year. When he opened it up, he looked at it and said, "Really? Nanny made this just for me???" My daughter said he was so happy.

So yeah. I figure if a 9 year old kid can appreciate a stinking hat and scarf made by his old grandmother, an adult can express a little gratitude to freaking strangers who took the time to try and help. Not be hit up a second time because the person refuses to get actual help to stop the cycle of dysfunction.

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
423. I've seen
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 10:14 AM
Apr 2015

this reply from you to one or two other posters, one of whom said that you might want to take your own advice.

I agree.


If some of us here are so heartless and cruel, then maybe you should hide the thread and go on to greener pastures...

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
312. What evidence?
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 01:19 PM
Apr 2015

What are you talking about. This poster has been on DU for a dozen years.

Edit: Actually I don't care to know what you are talking about. But why not just trash the thread instead of trashing a person who has been a member here for over 12 years.



 

phil89

(1,043 posts)
340. Have you
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 02:20 PM
Apr 2015

Read Omaha Steves posts? Ttw has a fraud watch on her PayPal account, she won't answer direct simple questions, posts manic nonsensical stories with no evidence to support them and works overtime to find ways not to help herself after being given excellent advice. The only request is money. Do the math. It's a public forum she posted on and questioning suspicious things is a good thing to do.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
386. Andy had a fraud watch on PayPal, too.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 03:52 PM
Apr 2015

The cavers did it and it contributed to his death. I'm sure they were delighted to muck with TTW, too. They love to mess with DU-ers in crisis.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
349. Yeah but this wording doesn't sound like that poster
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 02:31 PM
Apr 2015

First, they described being laid off as "sacked", twice.

Is that the way a person who has always lived in the Philadelphia area, talks about getting laid off?

 

mariuma

(11 posts)
490. Getting worried
Wed May 6, 2015, 02:39 AM
May 2015

I have no dog in this fight, but what you mention is something that baffled me too.

When I started reading TTW's thread I thought she was a Brit. Then she mentioned Philly and I thought, OK, she's a transplanted Brit. But it's weird she spells "judgment" in the American way.

Also weird that her grammar and sentence structure is really well done, paragraph after paragraph, despite the rambly, "oh god I can't cope!" stuff that makes her seem a bit uneducated. If she is so desperate, how is she able to type out superlong posts without mistakes or broken sentences? It's all very smooth, sort of prepackaged, despite the pull-your-heartstrings sobby aspects - it's a style I would call "imitation breathlessness.".

I will put my money on a new theory: this isn't the TTW that people think it is, but a scammer who has taken over her account. That's why she won't reveal her real name on goFundMe.

If anyone knows the real woman's actual address, it's worth checking to make sure she isnt in serious trouble..

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
319. Sorry, people keep mentioning Andy.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 01:30 PM
Apr 2015

I don't know who he is or the history.

Either I've forgotten or I was not participating on DU at the time.

At any rate, I'm talking about NOW, not something that happened before.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
321. I don't really care about now...or before.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 01:33 PM
Apr 2015

Is someone forcing you to donate?
Is this going to affect your life in some negative way?

No, this is just an opportunity to be cruel for some out of "concern."

Take a breath; walk away.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
326. Nope, but I find it below contempt
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 01:42 PM
Apr 2015

if someone has taken advantage of DUers.

Is it affecting your life? I have as much right to comment as anyone.

Whoever this Andy was, perhaps this is the exact reason he was doubted - because there are so many dishonest people in the world.

I have not told one single poster not to donate. I admire the goodness of those who do.

The OP did not thank one single person who donated before, and I find that in itself just ungrateful (at best.)

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
336. Andy was an original member in DU2 - he passed away in 2005, IIRC.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 02:06 PM
Apr 2015

He was much loved here, and older members can likely direct you to threads discussing that sad episode in DU history. I don't have links, and I don't recall the criticisms alluded to by Meemie, but FWIW.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
347. Thanks for the info.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 02:30 PM
Apr 2015

What meemie doesn't seem to understand is that people will not donate to legitimately needy folks if they see too many (or even one) rip off.

A scammer hurts more than those who donate freely. It doesn't reflect on the donors, only the scammer. And sadly, it will have repercussions in the future.

Perhaps this whole wild story is completely true. Even then, the OP seems to be living (or attempting to live) on donations on a month to month basis without making any changes in her life. That makes no sense.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
352. Good points. As for me, since I'm familiar with TTW's history here and share her political leanings
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 02:36 PM
Apr 2015

I was prepared to give her the benefit of the doubt, a priori.

However, after reading the questions you and others have posted, and seeing that she hasn't responded (and hasn't followed almost any of the practical advice members here have given her), I have to confess I'm now skeptical.

What can I say. Too much of her story, in hindsight, really does NOT add up; however, if there are legitimate reasons for her predicament, then I'd be prepared to help.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
355. I would be too.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 02:39 PM
Apr 2015

Many others have already helped, and I don't like it if they were ripped off.

Anyway, the poster that wants me to go away will soon get his/her wish lol. I hate when threads become this long.

Perhaps the OP will eventually answer and put this all to rest.

PassingFair

(22,434 posts)
404. EVERYTHING in her "story" adds up to a person who is under stress and is not thinking clearly.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 07:24 PM
Apr 2015

That much is clear.
She is obviously bogged down and not in control.
She has posted on this site for MANY YEARS.

There is absolutely no evidence of a "scam".

Please be kind to someone who is obviously struggling with overwhelming issues, quite alone and scared.
For whatever reasons.

 

phil89

(1,043 posts)
433. The whole 25 paragraph
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 06:49 PM
Apr 2015

story is absolute nonsense from start to finish. Notice everyone, and I mean everyone in her manic story is out to get her, lying, etc from the landlord, legal aide, inspector, judge, plumber, etc. and she would not take any suggestions, but redirected everything to "send money fast", that's a sign of a scam. Sorry you can't see it. Stop presupposing any of it is true and ask yourself if it makes sense.I don't think she's "struggling" because I don't beleive the story. She evidently did the same thing a month or two ago, as pointed out in this thread. Between people saying there's "no evidence" of a scam and being told I'm skeptical because of Calvinism, it's just hard to understand how some people get by in life.

Response to phil89 (Reply #433)

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
362. People donated to get him help he needed, pay medical bills. Cons got hold of it, got the money
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 02:50 PM
Apr 2015

locked down so it was inaccessible by yelling he was defrauding people. He was unable to get the medical care he needed because of this. And then he died.

He was an old time DUer, one of the first here, working on voting fraud. He was real and a really nice caring guy who might have lived if he was able to access the money DUers donated to pay the required upfront money for his health care.

REP

(21,691 posts)
398. That's not quite what happened
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 05:43 PM
Apr 2015

There was a delay in getting the money to the hospital, but Andy did have his Whipple procedure. Unfortunately, he became septic after the procedure and passed due to that. The sepsis was from the surgery, not the delay.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
415. Actually the surgery itself was not a success. It was too late, had spread everywhere in his body...
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 09:55 PM
Apr 2015

And while they spent a lot of time removing what they could see (he was opened up from collar bone to crotch) they knew from the amount and location of tumours that they could not have gotten all of it. It was that type that spread very quickly.
People were reading him DU threads with good wishes in the end and he enjoyed it, was very grateful for the help. And very frightened. Very sad time.

REP

(21,691 posts)
417. True.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 10:41 PM
Apr 2015

I was giving the thumbnail. The delay in the funding would not have made a difference, given the type and grade of cancer, since it was days, not months. Unfortunately, nothing short of a miracle could have won that war. The sepsis post surgery stole any time the surgery may have given him and made those last days even worse.

I remember his "bean spill" threads shortly before the worst came to pass.

I also remember when he was first describing severe liver symptoms, some asses telling him to take milk thistle and bile pills. What he was describing was so horrific that "go to the ER right now!!" was the only sane response.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
419. When I met him in DC he was having his first symptoms and looked jaundiced....
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 10:56 PM
Apr 2015

having stomach issues and feeling bad. I kept saying dude, you need a doctor asap. He waited a few months until he felt worse. No insurance and fear I think. Bad combo.

 

rjsquirrel

(4,762 posts)
422. Yep
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 08:16 AM
Apr 2015

Hospitals do not deny life saving care on the basis of ability to pay because that is against federal and state law everywhere.

That is the root of our ER crisis.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
351. Don't bring Andy into this argument...
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 02:35 PM
Apr 2015

it's not the same situation whatsoever. I'm pissed you'd stoop that low.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
356. You may think of me what you wish. DUers are equally important to me in times of trouble.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 02:39 PM
Apr 2015

The interesting thing about this is that Andy was a dear friend, and I rarely find myself agreeing with TTW on anything. Yes, it's the same thing, and it's not stooping low. It's calling it like I see it. It's ostracizing someone for reaching out because you don't like how they went about it. Everyone is human. I stand by every single word I've posted. Take a breath, walk away and move on.

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
381. So, what happened
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 03:43 PM
Apr 2015

to THIS DUer?


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026228164




Over 900 views and only TWO damned replies.


There are lots of people bashing others for being skeptical and "cruel" here who didn't even give enough of a shit to say, "I'm sorry for your troubles" to that person.




ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
402. "What happened"
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 07:17 PM
Apr 2015

Speaking for myself only, it appears I made one post at 12:39 p.m.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6229689

One at 8:37 p.m.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6231812

and my last at 8:41 p.m.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6231831

It looks like the OP posted that early in the morning and it was kicked twice. What a shame. It's funny you bring that poster up because he/she had posted about a major problem not so very long ago and many were cruel at that time because the poster is ESL (English as a Second Language), so it was open season on her/his typos/misspellings/grammar usage. It was awful.

Edited to add the awfulness: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026200732

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6198486

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
426. Actually I was referring to
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 10:58 AM
Apr 2015

the actual thread in which she spelled out her own troubles and asked for help and got exactly TWO replies from DUers who "care".

Over 900 views and two replies.

Oh, except for earlier today when people are shamed into asking how things went.


Here is what I find totally disgusting.

So-called "Progressives/Liberals" making fun of/being cruel to someone based on that person's lack of English skills. Someone in another country asking for help.


OTOH, people here are asking some damned valid questions of someone who lives in a crisis mode mostly due to her own bad decisions, and they're getting what looks like a classic run-around but the people asking questions are being "cruel".


People have begged the OP to help them to help her. And by "help" I imagine that means not just getting her out of this crisis until the next one happens. It means getting a long-term solution so it never happens again. And in order to do that, it's necessary for the OP to be honest with lots of people...most importantly herself.


So yeah, let's talk about "cruel". Let's talk about how some people insist that everyone matters to them. It's bullshit.


Why should TTW get so much support and Mylye2222 get nothing (not in that thread, anyway)???

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
330. Working on another 20 paragraph explanation perhaps?
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 02:02 PM
Apr 2015

The whole thing just strikes me as "off." Indeed.

 

phil89

(1,043 posts)
436. Be careful, you may be labelled a troll
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 06:55 PM
Apr 2015

if you dare ask questions about this totally ridiculous paranoid fantasy of a plea for money.

REP

(21,691 posts)
440. Welsh names *are* hard to pronounce ...
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 08:20 PM
Apr 2015


Some get a little carried away in trying to show their goodness.

Response to TorchTheWitch (Original post)

Response to TorchTheWitch (Original post)

cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
338. Why question it & give her a hard time? We're adults.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 02:17 PM
Apr 2015

If it's legit, you're kicking someone who is down,.

If you don't think it's legit, don't give her any money. Other DUers can make the same choice.

There's no need to take a dump in the thread...then, or now.

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
359. Then you're capable of withstanding what other people post.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 02:41 PM
Apr 2015

If you are an adult, then you're capable of understanding that other people have a point of view. And have as much right to express it as you do yours. If you're an adult, you don't tell them to go away and stop expressing their opinion because you don't like their opinion.

But maybe you're not an adult. How would I know? This is the internet.

 

phil89

(1,043 posts)
435. Nice lie.
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 06:52 PM
Apr 2015

I'm neither trolling nor have my sole purpose to harass anyone. I'm asking questions. Not sure why this is so mystifying to you.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
348. It really is a simple as that.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 02:30 PM
Apr 2015

But, the "concern" is typically a cover/excuse to just be basically cruel. The only thing I can hope is that posts like yours make people actually question their motives. We're all grownups and can make our own decisions.

Agreed cyberswede.

Sheldon Cooper

(3,724 posts)
366. That is EXACTLY what it is. Fucking cruelty.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 02:57 PM
Apr 2015

And the need to dog pile in the name of "protecting" us poor DUers who are apparently so stupid we may get scammed. Or something.

I don't need anyone's protection here. I can make my own decisions, based on logic and reason and not "emotions" as someone else so ridiculously stated.

Look - there is obviously a mental health component at play here. It's as plain as the nose on everyone's goddamn face. If you can have some compassion for someone who is suffering, fine. If you can't, then please, keep right on kicking someone when they are CLEARLY down. You wear it well.

A couple of you crusaders for justice are WAY too involved in this. At this point, what exactly are you getting from it?

Texasgal

(17,046 posts)
416. I agree..
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 10:08 PM
Apr 2015

Pulling posts from fucking 2006 is the epitome of CRAP and NASTINESS!

If any of you DU'ers feel as though your being scammed you have the absolute choice to keep you wallet closed. Otherwise, kindly butt out!

It is times like this that I am reminded that I will never ask DU for any tangible advice and NEVER ask for funds or any other help! Not that I'd find myself in that kind of situation.... but God forbid people pull up my posting history from 10 years ago! UGH!!!!

If you do not believe the story, okay...but to shame and to pull up shit from 10 years ago is sad.

Response to Name removed (Reply #328)

Corey_Baker08

(2,157 posts)
345. I Feel Your Pain, I Am Currently Homeless...
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 02:25 PM
Apr 2015

Staying where I can when I can. Now that its getting warmer I can start sleeping in my car again, thank god for it...

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
367. Yup. I can't believe it's still going on...
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 02:57 PM
Apr 2015

times like this I really wish an admin would step in and break up the party. And I know...by posting this I am just part of the crazy...

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
371. Oh, I take no side in this. I truly don't know the facts here...
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 03:13 PM
Apr 2015

My husband had a whole career of helping homeless people in our home town New Haven. He worked for the city and as a retiree volunteers to head up the Homeless Commission so he is still involved in the issue.

I am just commenting on how this has evolved over the last couple of days...I put in my 2 cents worth of advice early like others.

Believe me, we are struggling with our own family crisis with one daughter who has been looking for work for several years and is now in crisis financially. I've been giving her money and encouragement for a while now...and I know how hard she works...it is terribly frustrating...

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
374. It is a horrible situation these days for so many. I'm sorry your daughter is struggling.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 03:24 PM
Apr 2015

That is frustrating.

I was trying to make a funny to lighten up the sad the thread has become, but I fall flat a lot. Best wishes to your daughter.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
387. no problem. my daughter is nowhere near the OP's situation but it
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 04:03 PM
Apr 2015

is serious. So thank you for your good vibes.

I guess this thread will just peter out at some point when we all get tired of seeing it in GD.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
372. I did not even think of that...until I was told a few minutes ago...
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 03:15 PM
Apr 2015

but as I responded to him/her I truly don't know what is going on in the life of the OP.

 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
376. OK, my take.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 03:27 PM
Apr 2015

Since TTW has not set up a gofundme, perhaps TTW is just looking for people to talk to, vent with?

TTW, I don't know what you are taking medication for, and it's none of my business, but I do hope you are staying up-to-date on taking them.

Response to KMOD (Reply #376)

Ellipsis

(9,124 posts)
396. TTW, this thread has gone off the rails, lock it post a new one, with the latest updates
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 05:18 PM
Apr 2015

I suggest you get 285 bones and appeal this thing, gives you more time,

Stop freaking out. Things will work out.

 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
406. I care, and I am concerned.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 08:04 PM
Apr 2015

Torch, if you're online, please check in, or start a new thread, or PM me if you'd like.

 

lonestarnot

(77,097 posts)
421. OK. So I'm no lawyer,
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 11:05 PM
Apr 2015

so this is not legal advise, but can't you motion to remove to a higher court? Is this in a lower court now?

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
441. I really hope she didn't get thrown out on the street.
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 08:27 PM
Apr 2015

Not sure if some folks in this thread have taken that possibility into account.

I sincerely hope that is not the case.





tblue37

(65,458 posts)
468. And if she lost her internet connection, that would explain the lack of recent posts from her. nt
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 03:38 PM
Apr 2015
 

noella17

(48 posts)
469. Where does it say she was in danger of losing it?
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 03:44 PM
Apr 2015

I read somewhere that she had it taken out of her account--$79 or so--per month.

I don't see why it matters whether or not she is telling the truth. She obviously has holes in her ceiling and I assume she is also out of work. That is not scamming to me. I do think that she is paying way too much in housing since she lives alone with her dog. So even if she has to move to another town and take a smaller unit, it makes sense because even if people give her several thousands of dollars, eventually she will use it up and be in the same position whereas a smaller unit and possible disability if she qualifies will allow her to pay her bills.

Is she a senior or close to it? Does anyone know how old this lady is? I am curious if she could get into housing for 55+ that is discounted in rent? But she should NEVER be forced to give up her pet! That is too cold-hearted. How could anyone even think of suggesting that to someone who is alone, let alone attached to their pet?

 

noella17

(48 posts)
472. If you read her posts
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 04:01 PM
Apr 2015

she states that because of the weekend, things were suspended until next week. Maybe tomorrow she goes back to court? In any case, even if a judge ordered her evicted, it doesn't work that way where you get kicked out the same day. It takes time for the sheriff to go through with it because there's a backlog! There is also public wifi if she lives in an area that is not rural. She said she lived in a suburb so I am sure she has plenty of options to have posted by now. And I don't think she has lost her Internet yet since she was not kicked out of her apt. She probably felt uncomfortable posting her because of some of the comments I have read here. But I do think she should give an update because some people expressed concern about her wellbeing. She's also gotten some good advice although the pet thing irked me.

daredtowork

(3,732 posts)
442. The legal system is practically unusable to poor people
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 08:29 PM
Apr 2015

If you've never been in a position of having to go before the court - especially unrepresented - it's hard to understand how stressful and often nonsensical that process is. While we all like to think of the court as the place where the truth will out, judges have very little patience for people who don't know "respect" their obscure courtroom rules. It's very eady for them to find technicalities to avoid listening to people who just want to explain what happened. And then the legal system nickel and dimes poor people on top of all that!

I think people here are also over-ambitious about some of the other options. Catholic Charities ususually offers emergency rent help....if you have a way to pay rent the following month. Temporary disability? Is that a thing in PA? SSI takes years to get, and expect TTW to discover the conundrum where she has to somehow survive during those years while not working to prove she can't work.

Ah...mental health services. Even "social work". Doesn't that sound like they will actually get something done? Mostly it will get a County worker paid and burn up TTW's time (stressing her out over getting to the appointment and paying for bus money). The saddest thing is how these "services" rarely, if ever, do the direct things that would take the stressors out of the picture: help TTW get moved to a new apt, get her car fixed, connect her with a new job (not just critiquing her resume and providing her with "job hunting tracking sheets&quot .

For years I've been locked in a pitched battle with the Dept of Rehab to fund a cellphone. Employers expect it. I don't have a cash income to fund my own. This is the number one most logical thing that would help me, and I might have gotten a job quickly when my health was good last summer if I'd had it. But, no. The DoR and every other agency trying to help me thought I could be tough loved into getting my own cellphone even though they knew I had no cash income and would not get one without the job I needed the phone to get! Crazyness!

THIS is what the world of social services and programs is like, and they WILL let TTW get thrown out on the street sooner than simply making the direct moves that would be most efficient to help her.

Good luck TTW - if it counts for anything, I understand how this sort of situation is one crappy thing after another, way too much for even people with a stable family and a staff of 10 to handle without feeling an avalanche of stress, and I can see why you just keep trying to do the next thing you have to do to avoid homelessness, and that's the best you can do. "Housing Crisis PTSD" may soon have its own DSM entry where I live.

I hope some DU Daddy/Mommy Warbucks paratroopers in with some people to actually help you instead of just referring you to the phonebook.

daredtowork

(3,732 posts)
446. How so?
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 10:59 PM
Apr 2015

If you're questioning my motives now, one of my main ones is every time TTW has to post a separate plea for help for a situation that clearly needs large scale/systemic help, that creates some compassion fatigue that's going to sap the will to help people in a similar situation. That truly absurd thing is that this sort of problem is built into the current situation because the GOP has hollowed out services to make sure they don't actually offer anything and to make sure it takes 3 years to actually get on SSI.

But accusing TTW of being a fraud (unless you have proof)? People often just project their discomfort as "fraud", and frankly that's a reaction the GOP like to exploit. As someone who can speak from experience of these sorts of systems, TTWs experiences come across as authentic to me. If someone took TTW under their wing, it would be a nice case study in how these situations degenerate for a lot of poor people, and at the same time would free up DU's compassion pool for others.

Scruffy Rumbler

(961 posts)
447. Just wanted to say how much your experience reflects
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 11:14 PM
Apr 2015

what I have seen my sister go through as well as so many friends.

This post could very well be it's own OP. Thanks you for telling your story and illustrating the situation so many people living in poverty have to deal with.

I hope TTW is safe and warm tonight, wherever that is and that she can post again soon.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
448. What I find difficult to swallow
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 11:31 PM
Apr 2015

is that this housing situation has been going on, according to TTW herself, for several years now. Even before she lost her job (supposedly because of the landlady, which just doesn't ring true) she apparently made no effort whatsoever to find a new place. Indeed, as she represents it, she lives in a community where there are absolutely no other places for rent at all.

It's that, and her complete blaming of everyone else, that raises my bs meter to high levels. There are just too many parts of the story that don't ring true. If she really is on the verge of becoming homeless, well I am sorry, but there is nothing practical any of us can do at this distance. Especially as she hasn't responded to this thread in several days.

daredtowork

(3,732 posts)
449. I would have to go back to look at the timeline
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 12:44 AM
Apr 2015

Has it been several years? I was under the impression this has been going on this past year?

The loss of job thing sounded credible to me. The landlady created a situation that stressed TTW out - which, if it wasn't a hygiene issue, probably was a short temper issue. In either case, it seems like TTW couldn't fight her landlady on the "slumlord" issues AND keep on top of things at work. It sounds like some depression is going on there.

Also nothing is more stressful than a move - packing up all your stuff and starting someplace new. So this situation can be as exactly overwhelming and exhausting as TTW describes it. Whether it WAS - I have no way to prove, but I also wouldn't doubt it out of hand either. Instead I would call this common.

But it's because I regard this as common that I'd like to see someone just address TTW's situation and perhaps vouch for it. It certainly doesn't help other poor people if they always get questioned as "likely scammers" - and this almost always happens when people ask for help on forums. But I think people do this because A) they really can't get their needs met through local resources (I'll vouch for this) and b) asking for anonymous help is less embarrassing than confronting judgmental church ladies face to face (especially if you are stressed out and depressed as it is). But where regular help, like rent, is needed - it's not possible to get enough help that way. Asking repeatedly will just make someone come across as begging all the time. So this situation is bad for everyone involved, including TTW.

Again, it would be best for these sorts of situations to be "contained" by wrap-around services, because several pieces are going to have to move at the same time for anything to change. TTW isn't going to be able to climb out of it if she continues to remain stressed by being unemployed, eviction hanging over her, ill health, etc. That same situation will go on month after month while those who helped her will grumble "I gave at the office last month...".

(From my own experience, if there has to be an order, do it this way: 1) Lift threat to housing UNEQUIVOCABLY - all other material needs are secondary to housing stress-wise, 2) Address any health issues that might sabotage work, 3) Eliminate any material obstacles to applying for work - such as access to transportation, 4) Support job hunt.)

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
451. In her first request for money
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 01:58 AM
Apr 2015

back in February she said she'd been a model tenant there for ten years. And while she's a bit vague as to when all the problems started, it's clear they've been going on for quite a long time. Years it what it absolutely seems to be.

daredtowork

(3,732 posts)
457. Her first request for money was in February?
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 02:27 PM
Apr 2015

I'm not sure it matters whether she's been a model or tenant or not before then -what is clear is she has been living in the same place for a decade, which makes it harder to move out. When her problems getting her landlord to fix things started are not the same as when she started to ask for help here (when the legal/eviction problems started).

In regard to TTW asking for money on a forum - and again I want to do this without vouching for this particular situation - I would like to underscore the chief problem for people in similar situations is rent. This is because rent is a regular expense, and you wouldn't believe how rapidly months pass by when you don't have money for rent.

"Welfare" does not take care of rent money. It differs from place to place, but in my area it will offer a fraction of rent money, which it subtracts if you get a job to earn the rest: in other words it drives you into homelessness if you can't get a job or you get nothing if you do get a job because you repay the State from your earnings. It's basically a test to see if you were kidding about not being able to get a job or you'd be homeless. Where I live, it's even more cruel because you can only get that "fractional" money for 3 months out of a year unless you are disabled.

The expectation is you will become homeless, and that fractional money will be paid to a shelter rather than a landlord. This is something people like TTW are desperately trying to avoid: they want to maintain their personal autonomy, their possessions, perhaps a pet they've held for a long time. If they've lived in the same place for a long time, that's their home - they will try to stay there. In this situation they are also beset by a barrage of bureaucracy and hassles, so they also don't have the "bandwidth" to deal with figuring out how to start over in a new place with no savings, no job, no friends, etc.

Most people who haven't been in this situation have casual notions that there are "programs" there to help (like "Catholic Charities&quot . But once you are in the situation, you find that such programs will only pay for one month of rent, or will only help you if you can prove you will have a job next month, or some other criteria you can't meet. Rent is a huge expense - therefore few programs assist with this on a regular basis. This is a disaster for people waiting for SSI. The GOP view of this is all people who get in a place who can't pay their rent should "return to their families" - but this is an unreasonable expectation in a day and age where many of us come from small and even broken families. We are supposed to be on our own, and we need a social safety net to fall back on, because the family safety net isn't there.

So how are people "on welfare" or who are "waiting for SSI" or are in similar situations dealing with rent? As I complained to my local county political establishment the quiet expectation seems to be that people will fall back on unreported or illegal activity: begging on street corners (this is also unimaginable for many people hitting the eviction wall as TTW seems to be), prostitution, petty criminal activity, joining gangs and dealing drugs, day labor. Most other things will be tax reported, and it will undermine social service programs you need, such as food stamps, because they are regular and you will be able to rely on them until you can get back into the mainstream world.

Many of the "alternatives" are demeaning, humiliating, dangerous, and could result in an arrest record. So people are looking for ways to get their needs met while preserving their privacy and dignity. Of course that does open the way for scammers, like the infamous cases of people who have lied about having cancer to raise money on GoFundMe accounts. But this may have led to people being overly harsh about what's a "scam", too. A few years ago, there was a guy who claimed to be Suddenly Homeless on Daily Kos. At first this guy annoyed me because I felt he had taken advantage of my own welfare posts to ask for money, and Daily Kos had especially developed a culture of certain people "working their corner" to absorb the generosity of the whole community and overshadowing other needy people: this guy seemed to be doing that by regularly posting diaries that got a zillion recs. Then someone caught him in some lies (including sockpuppets vouching for his own posts and doing his own social media boosting), and suddenly he was a scammer who had robbed the whole community. Looking over that story in the aftermath, it was probably a little more complicated than that: yes he lied and scammed, but he also probably did need rent money month after month, and this was a more dignified way of getting it than begging on the corner.

I've been in my own situation for three years, and though I haven't been reduced to begging and scamming, people certainly give me the stink eye about it. Three years is an INCREDIBLY LONG TIME!!!! But it's not my fault. It's because I have been caught in various bureaucratic delays, snafus, procedures, and processes that actually take that long - and there has been no appropriate safety net for me while I go through all that. People don't believe it unless they have actually been through it.

The simple truth is that the safety net is inadequate, and it forces people to do all sorts of things to try to avoid homelessness. And that fear of homelessness places an incredible burden of constant stress on people. Since rent is a monthly demand, those same people keep coming back until they either get some help or they are driven into homelessness.

That's just how it is until we collectively do something to fix the social services infrastructure in this country.

Hekate

(90,758 posts)
482. Wow. That's a comprehensive statement, and I thank you for posting it.
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 09:52 PM
Apr 2015

We're just in a complicated situation here, for all the reasons people have stated. No need for me to recap any of them.

daredtowork

(3,732 posts)
483. I'm on the fence about it
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 10:06 PM
Apr 2015

Because I don't want to come across as personally vouching for a situation I have no way of knowing about. I'm hoping someone will get more involved in TTW's situation since she chose to reach out for help.

It just bothers me how people judged certain things as "suspicious" when they seemed like no brainers from my angle: avoid homelessness, hold on to place of 10 years, don't lose your stuff, hold on to your dog, try to get what you need to survive while you're being overwhelmed by a lot of crap... all that is valid, and all of that WILL keep coming up month after month, as long as TTW continues to be threatened by eviction.

A lot of people think it's easy to just "pivot" and "get a job" (when you look too tired and stressed to hire) or "move" (when you don't have the bandwidth to house hunt). It's not.

The worst question that was asked: "Isn't it suspicious that TTW doesn't have friends (who will let her sleep on their couch)".

Okay, I want someone else to get to the verge of homelessness just so they can try that one.

So, I'm NOT personally vouching for TTW. Just challenging the "suspicions" of her story.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
453. wise words
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 02:57 AM
Apr 2015

maybe what DU needs is a handful of people with some social work experience who are willing to counsel members in crisis. A cool head and no shaming or naysaying from the peanut gallery would aid in problem solving in emergency.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
452. absolutely agree about the PTSD
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 02:51 AM
Apr 2015

If you haven't read about the diagnosis C-PTSD, do so. "Complex PTSD". Treatment for that is help stabilizing the living situation first.

Enlightenment is so far away, it seems.

Response to grasswire (Reply #452)

daredtowork

(3,732 posts)
458. Thanks - I'll look that up!
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 02:31 PM
Apr 2015

I don't know that diagnosis, but from personal experience and from trying to work with the current housing crisis where I live, this seems true to me. If it's not already an axiom, I hope more research is done to back it up.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
488. Your description of the inability for folks in financial distress to use the legal system is spot on
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 11:50 AM
Apr 2015

I was there myself only 12 or so years ago. If you are financially in a bad spot and someone is trying to hit you with a suit or any kind of court action, your best bet is to surrender early getting the best possible terms that you can.

As sick as that sounds, because it is sick, its the truth.

There is no Democracy if the poor automatically lose in the court system and that is the reality now.

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
479. I don't worry about being scammed
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 06:49 PM
Apr 2015

If I want to give someone $ I just do it. Unless you know the person who knows knows what is true
This is what I've done when I was homeless. Initially I slept during the day a libraries so I could be alert at night. Then I wound up at the salvation army. If I had a vehicle I think I would have used it for part of day. You can try to get a job working at night to be off the street. If there is a bathroom that helps with hygiene . you have to face your situation and save yourself people here have told you several times to cut and run it may be time to consider this.

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