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I've not said much on DU lately because I've been so busy trying to save my own life. The district court ran roughshod all over my rights and PA law and went ahead with a hearing a mere few days after I first found out my slumlord wanted to evict me. The slumlord never served a Notice to Quit on me and the court knew that and scheduled a hearing anyway. I even said this to the judge at the hearing I had no other choice but to go to and he just ignored it. He let her blab on and on slandering both me and innocent people like the plumber though he did say he didn't believe her. At least I was able to get him to see the photos of the worst of the damage but other than that he wouldn't even let me speak in my own defense even when I had evidence to refute her epic lies.
The judge got a township inspector in to inspect the property which I'd been trying to do for a week but I wasn't allowed to speak to him or point out anything he missed! During the next hearing after the inspection the judge talked about the inspector's report which I didn't get a copy of and wasn't even allowed to see! I don't even know what was being talked about concerning the report during the hearing between the slumlord and the judge. Every time it was my turn to speak he just interrupted me as soon as I opened my mouth not letting me refute a thing she said like saying I never paid a security deposit when I had proof with me with her signature of the original document she signed accounting for all the money I paid her when I signed the lease which included first and last month's rent and security deposit.
A few days later I get the judgment in the mail which I couldn't even understand. After talking to the idiot clerks in his office it looks like I can stay here but I have only 10 days from the date of the judgment to pay her around $2000 or I can appeal to the county court. By the time I got the judgment in the mail and figured out what it means I have a mere FOUR DAYS to either appeal or get this money into her hand or the constable comes to throw me out on the street and everything I own gets put on the curb and/or the slumlord gets to keep it!!!
Right after the hearing she started harassing me. I knew she was nuts but had no idea she was this psycho. I had to warn the plumber and all his workers and all the agents in the code enforcement office. The plumber already knew she was batty and called me to tell me what she was trying to do and beware. Since then it's been harassing phone calls. Yesterday I went to the police station to ask an officer for advice... really nice and helpful guy. A few hours after that came another of her phone calls that I actually answered this time to tell her that I spoke to the police and that she has to stop harassing me. True to form she went completely off her nut. Scared the hell out of me, so I called the police again and an officer came over. Different one this time, and this one I've met before from walking Yoshi around the police station since it's also a big park and his favorite place to go. Very nice guy, got me calmed down a little, gave me some more advice and said they'd keep an eye on my street and a look out for her and to report to them anything else that she does. He thought she'd done this before since what she was doing kept herself just a hair off the line from at what point they could do something and he warned me that she's likely to escalate and that he thinks Yoshi will keep her out of barging into the house.
Legal aid has been no help. They told me I should file an appeal which is what I'd prefer as it would be cheaper except that it's not cheaper. It's a lot more expensive than paying her this blood money to stay here while I try to find a job so I CAN get out. I'd probably also need an attorney since I don't know what I'm doing and don't even have the time to do it. Since I found out about the hearing I've had no time to gather all the evidence I needed (though I did get most of it) and have barely had any time to sleep much less even think about getting a job.
I desperately need help. At this point I've been beaten down so badly by both the slumlord and the court I can't even think straight anymore. I've been so mentally and emotionally battered that right now I'm really feeling like if the most fabulous job in the world dropped into my lap I wouldn't be able to handle doing it.
I don't have anywhere to go or even anywhere to store my stuff. I'm beside myself with terror about what's going to happen not just to me but to Yoshi who for so long has been the only thing forcing me out of bed every day and to keep plugging away. I can't lose him. I won't. But I won't let either of us live on the street either. Yet I have nowhere to go, not even a piece of floor to borrow from anyone, and I'm struggling as it is just to try to keep the electricity, water, phone and internet on as well as eat and have my meds, too.
OMG, I'm so scared and I just don't know what to do.
Lochloosa
(16,067 posts)librechik
(30,676 posts)they don't care about your religion, either--hope you have services nearby!
7wo7rees
(5,128 posts)Right now.
Over the course of the last day it has devolved into a nightmare. For over 24 hours the person requesting help has not responded.
All we have left ate DU'ers trying to fix something that may not be fixable.
Please everyone.
Walk away.
Lochloosa
(16,067 posts)But if it makes you feel better.
mylye2222
(2,992 posts)Can you contact an organisation that could advocate fir you for free such as an abused renters defense one? Im sorry I cant guide you. I suggest that because here in France wr have powerfull ones such as Droit au Logement (Housing Right) that helps legally renters from being evicted.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)could take care of your dog if you need to go into an emergency shelter? Once you are safely housed you can seek their counsel about what next to do.
I'm so terribly sorry you are having such awful trouble. My husband was the Director of the Homeless office within our city's Human Services division. He still serves as the voluntary head of the Homeless Commission for the city. So there are services available in such city governments that see folks like you and help. Churches are often part of that network, too.
dissentient
(861 posts)TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)Friends I don't have anymore. Working nights and weekends for a long time has a way of making you lose your friends. It was my family that was the most vicious blow. Not a one of them will offer so much as a piece of floor for me. Not a phone call, not nothing from any of them. I'd never dream of doing such a thing to any of them. No way would I let a family member be homeless. I can't stop crying about that all by itself, but I have to push it aside right now like so much else to try and save my own life.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)on Holy Week. It has to be a reminder to them for MORE charity, not less...
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)along with getting the car fixed and seeing about a few jobs. My saintly mechanic whom I've known since I was a kid said he wouldn't charge me to fix whatever the hell is wrong with all my tires.
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)Even the "find help" link they give goes to a blank page. Everything else is donation driven.
Is there something I'm missing on this site?
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I didn't get a blank page.
It instructs you to enter your zip code and go from there.
merrily
(45,251 posts)missingthebigdog
(1,233 posts)You said, "Not a one of them will offer so much as a piece of floor for me. Not a phone call, not nothing from any of them."
You don't say that you have asked them to help and they have refused.
It is terrible that they haven't offered to help you. They are your family, and they should reach out to you. But you can't just wait for an offer. You are at a point that you have to ask. Drowning people don't just silently sink into the water hoping the lifeguard will notice. YELL! Hopefully your family will do the right thing.
If they won't, you really need an exit strategy. Continuing to stay where you are is dangerous. If your landlord is as crazy as you say, she might hurt you or Yoshi.
You need to move someplace that is much less expensive. As you apparently have no ties there, why not move? Cost of living is pretty low here in Arkansas, and there are some jobs. I'm sure other DUers have suggestions as well. Pick a place, and I am sure DU will pitch in to facilitate your move.
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)For a long time I've not been particularly close to my siblings. For a number of years they've been doing family get togethers always scheduling them when they knew I couldn't go because I had to work and never giving enough notice so that I could rearrange my schedule. I've been feeling deliberately shut out for a long time. We all talk through email as a group about this and that, but even then I felt like I was being shut out... very seldom did anyone respond to anything I said or laughed at my jokes or funny photos, etc. I have no idea how this came about. Years ago I used to have REALLY long conversations with one of my brothers on the phone where we'd laugh about everything and nothing. Then somehow that just didn't happen anymore.
Still, the worst thing in all of this is that not a one of them cares a wit that I'm I hair away from being homeless. One of my brothers has not said a word. Another actually yelled at me on the phone for making him worry. My sister (who I've never gotten along with very well since she's just not a very nice person) told me her best advice was to put Yoshi in the car and drive as far south as I could because at least I wouldn't freeze to death living on the street. Another brother said he knew someone that might have advice about eviction proceedings since they did some kind of work with that. I asked him to find anything out for me that he could and let me know. He never responded and hasn't said a word since. The last brother I talked to on the phone who listened to my situation and helped a lot looking into various government resources that might help me. In hindsight I should have used that time to look for a job instead. Every one of them has been totally useless.
Never ever ever did I imagine my own family would abandon me. Last night I put out another distress call about this latest disaster with the hearing and the judge and what I found about about what this judgment meant, etc. The only response I got was from my sister saying that I was being rude mentioning that I'd never ever ever let a family member of mine be homeless. She also said that they've all been discussing me all this time none of which I knew anything about and basically comes down to their talking about me behind my back.
This is not the family I used to know, and I have no barking idea what the fuck happened. Ok, my sister was always a jerk, but I never would have expected this from my brothers. Actually, I never expected this from my sister either despite her being a jerk.
Christ, I have to push this part away or I'll never be able to salvage anything to keep clawing away. This blow from my own family already came very dangerously close to wiping me out. I can't let it. I've still got a few days for a miracle, and I have to focus everything on that or I'm finished.
irisblue
(33,012 posts)TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)Excuse me for a minute I have to call the police yet again. Oh holy shit!
mylye2222
(2,992 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Get that in under 3 hours. I'll throw in the first $50.
appalachiablue
(41,161 posts)TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)I had looked into gofundme a bit before recently when I came begging hat in hand for help here and thanks to DU's wonderful generous people the only reason I can eat, feed Yoshi and keep the electricity, etc. on is because of that help.
Can you or someone help me out with setting up a gofundme account? God, I feel like I have to be steared around by the nose for anything now... I can't even bloody think straight anymore!
appalachiablue
(41,161 posts)TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)Is there any way that this could come back to bite me concerning getting a job? I can't do anything that will hurt my job prospects.
I'm also worried about the judge. He's obviously a complete asshole (figures he's a Repuke!) and I'm worried about saying anything negative about him.
Maybe I'm just being paranoid, but life already bit me on the ass hard for not being paranoid enough concerning my slumlord.
Could you help me with what to say once I set up an account. The slumlord also cruises social sites, and I'm really worried about her finding mine. Apparently, people can leave whatever comments they want and I have no control over them. This woman already scares the shit out of me.
I also need to find out how fast you can get the money and how all that works. Since I only have a few days left it has to be fast enough to "beat the clock".
I'm sorry, but I feel like my brain went to mush weeks ago and I'm feeling like I just want to hide in the back of a closet (not that I have any closets I could do that... these houses are about 100 years old, and I guess they didn't know about closets then). Believe it or not, even toilets were an afterthought, and there used to be outhouses in the back yards!
Omaha Steve
(99,682 posts)There is NO NAME attached for anyone to see.
http://www.gofundme.com/cip3vw
There are no random replies. Only from people that donated.
And you had so many problems with Paypal last time.
It is Tuesday
(93 posts)is explain your story to the folks. Exactly what you described in the OP is perfect.
Omaha Steve was kind enough to link to the original post. You can decide to put it together.
And your #1 goal in the meantime while we are helping fund you, is to find a job that works for you. It doesn't matter if it's flipping burgers or Uber or whatever, just find a job, and fast. You will need it for your next place of residence to prove that you can fund your residence.
You need the following:
1) Security deposit, plus first month's rent in another apartment that you can afford if you make $REASONABLE_AMOUNT, and pet friendly for Yoshi.
2) An attorney specializing in eviction prevention - tenant law is what it is called - call around and find out what it would cost to retain one. Many will offer free initial consultation.
3) Lots of support to help you around - you got one of the biggest ace in the hole - the police by the park - and with continued documentation, and support knowing the slumlord is already harassing you. She has no right to do that.
4) Research on eviction law. Your landlord may have violated several aspect of that law trying to kick you out within short time. I have never heard of such evictions on a very short notice - usually a minimum of 14 days, up to 60 days in some cases with average at about 30-60 days. That's why I mentioned #2.
I'll be happy to donate on Friday when I get some money coming in. It won't be much, but it'll help in the long run.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Set up a gofundme acct
Now
You need $$:help now. Above all else.
Set up an account asap
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)Set up a gofundme account...you will be amazed at how wonderful the DU community is. And I will have a chance to pay it forward
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)stay in a place that is, according to you, almost totally uninhabitable, and with the worst landlord of all time. I do hope you get all this resolved, as no one deserves such misery.
Does your local legal aid office never have anything to do with similar landlord disputes? Is there any chance they can refer you to an attorney willing to help you pro bono?
But you should be focusing almost all your energy on getting a job, any job, and looking for another place to live, almost any other place.
Oh, and I'm going to guess you weren't given a copy of the inspector's report simply because you're not the owner of the place. Sucks, but there it is. You might try calling the office that did the inspection and ask for a copy. If it's part of the record in your case, you should be able to get a copy, although you may have to pay for having it printed up. Not sure.
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)She got me fired from my job. Like an idiot I kept paying her with all my savings that I was also living off of while looking for another job until there was just nothing left. At first because she knew it was her own fault that I lost my income she was working with me to get back to being able to pay the rent. By that time I wanted to get the hell out of here but with no income and no money I can't rent so much as a cardboard box. Then out of the blue I get the hearing notice on my door and had about three days to gather evidence for it (there were two more days but they were weekend days where I couldn't do much of anything other than get prints of the photos and I'd already done that). I also had to look up all the laws and talk to random landlord/tenant attorneys on the phone just doing free consults for clarification of the laws, etc. I had to call legal aid who were no help at all and still aren't.
All of this eviction stuff happened in a matter of days and was so dire I had to put off the job search to deal exclusively with it. Not that it mattered since the judge ended up trampling all over my rights, the state law and wouldn't even allow me to speak at the hearing! I'm still shocked by this. Jesus, he's a judge for heaven's sake! What the hell kind of judge just railroads over someone's rights, totally ignores the law and doesn't even let them speak in their own defense??? He's the only judge and the pinnacle of the district court. He can do whatever the hell he wants and there's no one to do anything about it.
I just hung up with another really nice officer since the one last night told me to call them with every incident of her harassment. This latest was the landlord going ape shit on the phone again, I told her that I'd talked with the police already (as they said I should do) and that if she doesn't stop harassing me she can be arrested. Right now I can go down to the district court and file a criminal complaint because of the harassment but I'd have to pay a filing fee I don't have and this would be before the same asshole judge. I'd actually rather that she did something they can arrest her for.
This last nice officer I talked to said that if she shows up at the property or tries to enter with her own key to call 911 and they can arrest her at that point. Like the two others I talked to this one also said to not worry about my dog and if he eats off her face trying to barge in that's her problem and to be happy I have Yoshi to protect me if she's nuts enough to try. And she is. There have already been close calls of her just barging into the backyard right up to my back door and thank heaven Yoshi just didn't happen to be lose in the yard those times. I had put the chain and lock on the back gate mostly because of her invasions. She's never understood that it could be dangerous for her to just enter the property willy nilly even if it's the back yard, so it wouldn't be surprising that she would just barge into the house with Yoshi here. Except now I'm discovering the hard way just how batshit crazy she is, and I wouldn't put it past her to either barge right into the house or send in innocent people like the plumber or other workers.
This was why the plumber called to warn me and that he knew about my dog and wouldn't have himself or any of his workers come in without my securing him first. I also had to warn all the agents at the code enforcement office that I had a big dog and she can't just let people in using her own key for their own safety. They were the ones that told me she isn't allowed to come in or let anyone in herself anyway without my knowledge and permission. Because of her being crazy I told them she's already lied to the plumber about permission I gave to let them in to do work that I knew nothing about and that if she ever says that she has permission and knowledge from me she very well may be lying and putting them in danger because of Yoshi and to always check directly with me to be sure. They were very appreciative of the info and promised that any agent will check with me first before coming in to make sure that I've given permission and secured the dog.
This last psychotic phone call she said she was coming over with workers on Saturday to fix some stuff the township is now forcing her to do. I told her Saturday was not a good day for me and that I needed to know when workers would be coming, what they'd be doing and how long they'd be in the house. She still thinks that because she owns the property she can just come in willy nilly whenever she likes. She's never once arranged convenient times to fix things with me even when I WAS working. Though some things I had to take off work for because they were emergencies and she never actually fixed forcing me to use my own money to get someone competent and take the price off the rent.
I'm hoping she does show up sometime on Saturday and tries to barge in so I can call the police and get her arrested. They think that at some point she'll escalate to that.
It is Tuesday
(93 posts)for sure... and hire an attorney specializing in evictions ASAP.
Just tell us the retainer fee, and we'll raise it, and halt the eviction proceedings.
Keep documenting the calls, and record them if you have to (evidence, evidence, evidence!!!!)
Let her know that because of her psychotic behavior, and documented police report, you are retaining an attorney and will give her hell.
Attornies costs slumlord money, and they don't like to spend on fighting a tenant... but a determined tenant have rights too.
You were railroaded by an incompetent judge. Appeal the eviction, of course.
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)The thought of paying her this fraudulent judgment makes me literally sick. But the clerk at the county courthouse told me that to file an appeal I have to pay the full amount of the judgment plus a $285 filing fee. An attorney retainer on top of that I'm guessing would be about $500. Then of course they charge for every little thing they do, so I'd have to be able to keep paying them.
If I can somehow either pay the judgment which I REALLY don't want to do but it's a whole lot cheaper or appeal I have only a few days left to do it.
Ok, now I'm going to go figure out how to set up this gofundme account...
Oh crap... I just realized I have to sign up with my real name. Is it possible that this could come back to bite me like especially with looking for a job? I'm nervous about saying anything about the judge either... would there be any kind of trouble that could get me into? I don't even know what, but I'm nervous about that. He's also an attorney at a private firm with more money than God and an elected official (yes, Republican!) that likely cares more about his votes than anything else. Shit, I really don't know what to do about that. Maybe I'm just being paranoid, but I've already had my butt kicked for not being paranoid enough. Should I talk to an attorney first?
I know I can't think straight right now. I haven't slept and barely eaten in the past couple of days with this slumlord going psycho on me on top of everything else.
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)am I confused?
If I can somehow either pay the judgment which I REALLY don't want to do but it's a whole lot cheaper or appeal I have only a few days left to do it.
Ok, now I'm going to go figure out how to set up this gofundme account...
Oh crap... I just realized I have to sign up with my real name.
I just looked at your thread from Feb in which you finally figured out how to set up a gofundme account because you were on the verge of being thrown out, and people did indeed send you money.
Why would you have to set up another account if one already exists?
Sissyk
(12,665 posts)if I am remembering correctly.
merrily
(45,251 posts)TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)There was something about it that made me nervous. I'd read some complaints people had made about not being given their money and some other stuff I don't recall... something about some uncomfortable terms you agreed to when signing up. In any case that time I just used paypal.
I've always been paranoid about using my real name anywhere on the internet. I have a rather unusual first name that makes me pretty easy to find. I've had two stalkers in my past one of whom took about four years to finally shake, but it's probably made me particularly paranoid about anything. Ever since then I've never felt at all safe without the big dog though even with one I think in the back of my mind I'm perpetually too wary.
Strangely enough I actually felt safe with this landlord for years. For a long time I thought she was great, and looking back she purposely worked at that. Now I think a lot of that has to do with the fact that she's female. I also had a landlord in my past (married guy, too) that terrified the shit out of me. Thank the gods I had the big dog then even though he was still not yet full grown. Kato saved me from him. As far as I know he's still in jail though I doubt it was because of that particular incident. I still haven't gone back to that town ever since. I actually thought I'd forgotten about him until very recently when the memory came back to haunt me because of the psycho landlord I have now that I had no clue was this batshit crazy until the harassment crap. I guess I dealt with the incident with that guy by not dealing with it. That was actually the place I rented to hide from the bad stalker. I ended up jumping from the frying pan into the fire though.
Damn, it's only been in the last week or so that I've so much as thought about any of this. I never did tell anyone about the violent guy landlord. It was pretty soon after I moved in, so in a lot of ways I'd not even really unpacked yet. I was really lucky then that I'd just gotten a good job I really liked at the time and had a home opportunity that popped up at pretty much the same time, so I packed back up and left. I just pushed all that away and went forward never even thinking about it again until about a week so ago when it came creeping back into my head.
I liked the place I moved to. Nice landlord, and I had the first floor of an old Victorian house for dirt cheap. Free heat in the winter, too. I even had a fireplace though I never used it. After about a year and half the landlord decided he had to sell the place though. Whoever bought it plowed it right down to the ground and built some really ugly squat house in it's place. They also cut down the two ancient huge oak trees and just plopped pots of nasty looking plastic flowers on the bare stumps. Hideous. If that landlord hadn't had to sell I'd likely still be there now.
OMG, I just realized that the inside of this place reminds me a bit of that old apartment! There's the same archway between the living and dining rooms, the same old radiators making strange gurgling noises that once you get used to are actually kind of comforting, the same kind of old decorative moldings that are a pain in the ass to dust and clean, etc. Maybe I was a bit drawn to this house because of it being a little reminiscent of that old apartment. Wow, that never once dawned on me before.
Cripes, I have to get Yoshi back inside and try to sleep again.
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)and you're right. You didn't use Gofundme. You used Paypal.
So why not do it again?
Also, I have sat here reading through that thread and this one, scratching my head in puzzlement over the fact that a grown adult person would not come up with a Plan B to get herself out of a situation that will, in all likelihood, only get worse.
I'm disturbed by the appearance that everything that's happened has always been someone else's fault.
The landlady got you fired. No hot water so you couldn't go to work and you got fired. Nobody in your family will help you. The judge is against you. The landlady is psycho. There was a previous psycho violent landlord guy. etc., etc., etc.
Some people have expressed skepticism over your story and they've been blasted, as if there's something wrong with being skeptical. Especially when good people want to help out a fellow human being but maybe have been screwed over in the past. I don't know about anyone else here, but I live on a fixed income. I like to help whenever I can, but I don't want to be fooled so that some other deserving person or charity doesn't get whatever I could have donated.
Also, and most importantly...
Before I would donate, I want to know what plans the person I'm donating to has for getting him/her self out of the situation s/he is in.
What are your short and long-term plans for extricating yourself from what you yourself have called an intolerable situation?
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)a charity, business plan or an entreprenurial gofundme request, but is not good when someone is in crisis mode like TTW.
It is unrealistic to expect someone in an extreme crisis to have the time, energy, or mental capacity to focus on developing longer range plans than ones that what will get them out of the immediate crisis situation (former crisis line volunteer here).
Why don't you come back after TTW has been helped out of crisis mode by other DUers to see if you can get more info in order to decide if any money you give to her would be a good "investment." Of course by then, you probably will justify not donating because she won't be in a crisis and therefore not worthy of your money.
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)I know from her other OP on this from February that she was doing just great there for 9 years until all of a sudden last year the landlord just refused to fix things.
That's when things started going downhill.
So in March of last year she wasn't in crisis.
Nor April. Nor May.
Nor June, July, August, etc.
Plenty of time to assess the situation and, without being under pressure or in crisis, to come up with a Plan B.
Did that happen? No. Or it sure doesn't sound like it anyway.
Instead of contacting DUers about that situation (whereupon she would get some very good advice about documenting living conditions, withholding rent and putting into escrow or whatever else is legal in her state), she waits till the last minute and is suddenly in crisis.
Once...OK.
But twice???
This situation did NOT come on overnight.
People are giving some goddamn good advice in other parts of this thread and it looks like most of it other than collecting cash from DUers is getting pooh-poohed.
"Here, do this"
"Oh I can't do that because....blah blah blah"
"OK then, here's a suggestion"
"No, that won't work because...blah blah blah"
How many times does someone have to "be in crisis" before people get tired of being enablers? Enablers think they're being so damned noble but they're not. They're merely making it possible for someone to stay stuck in the same dysfunctional behavior patterns.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Those who donated during the last "fund drive) asked for some sort of progress report or an accounting for where the money went.
They never received an answer.
sunnystarr
(2,638 posts)Maybe others are afraid to say it. Your story doesn't ring true. Judges don't evict without an eviction notice and 30 days notice and even then it takes a bit more time to force evacuation. Plus you're required to let your landlord in to make repairs. It's not at your convenience. That's just for starters but enough for me.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I don't understand that.
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)It started with the sewage pipe and from there it was one fiasco after another. The sewage pipe, the leak in the ceiling, the toilet fiasco, and the last straw with my old boss was the hot water heater that I couldn't make the beast fix for a year while it had a small leak and eventually blew up all together last year in March.
By the event of the water heater blowing up (last year in March) was when when my old boss got fed up with all the house falling down issues and sacked me. Though I surely miss the income I sure don't miss the job. I had to take it though since it was reasonably full time and I needed a job. This can be a really shitty business. Places close without telling anyone, or change ownership or management that sack everyone across the board and bring in their own hirelings you have no way of knowing anything about. I've not been one of the lucky few that get to work in a nice place that's fairly decent to its workers. My old boss was a coke-head who inherited the business and had not a clue how to run it. Basically, it was a really tiny dump that was pretty much a 7/11 for the buyers and sellers of illegal drugs. During the day it wasn't so bad (when I worked) since it was mostly blue collar workers. Very few people at all though during the day most of the time though.
I love the job in general - working as a bartender I mean. Even in this dump I met a number of very cool people and laughed a lot. I still miss some of those customers. I think the one I miss the most was the giant guy that was in construction that had worked as a bartender in his youth and taught me some great bar tricks. Most of them were pretty rude, but funny as hell. 101 gross tricks to do with a basic square paper bar napkin.
I have to try getting some sleep again. I can't seem to shut my brain off though it's probably turned to mush my now.
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)house issues have anything to do with your job?
cwydro
(51,308 posts)And staying put despite the fact the "slumlord" caused the firing.
Texasgal
(17,046 posts)and water is flooding your laundry room or house or whatever it's not like you can just head off to work. It needs to be dealt with.
I recently had bad spigot in my laundry room that flooded my kitchen and dining room. I got up to make coffee and get ready for my day at work and I was standing in 2 inches of water. I had to call in to get a plumber out and someone to suck up all the water that had collected underneath my faux wood flooring.
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)you do what you can and if there's nothing you CAN do about it, what the hell is staying around to watch the devastation going to help?
Even if you have to stay home and shut off the water valve, it takes all of five minutes or less. You call into work and tell them you'll be a little late, take care of business, and then go to work.l
If the landlord wants to send someone over to take care of the problem while you're out, s/he should have a key and then be there to supervise while the work is done.
Boudica the Lyoness
(2,899 posts)Her hot water heater wasn't working and so she said she couldn't take a shower. This resulted in her not going to work and getting fired.
I remember this because at the time I was stunned that it didn't occur to her to boil some water in a kettle or pot and have a wash that way.
No matter what - you go to work.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Not sure why she didn't look for a place then, she had only a month to month lease. Or joined a gym to use for showers if she was dead set on staying there. Seems like she is still dead set on staying there, ignoring all encouragement and help to get her out.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)At first I was just doubtful, but now it stinks to high heaven.
Apparently her paypal account is now on fraud watch (posted by OS in thread), so this tells me something.
The evil slumlord, the asshole judge, the idiot clerk, the violent previous landlord, the uncaring family - I wonder if these are all fiction.
I fear they are.
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)about boiling the water.
I've had to do it enough times myself.
If there's not enough time in the morning for something like that, you do it the night before. One day isn't going to turn someone into a stink pit.
Hekate
(90,758 posts)Sure you end up smelling like Johnson and Johnson's baby lotion, but you're clean. That is neither difficult to figure out nor to do.
I have stayed far far away from this thread, because it reminds me too much of a couple of former DUers who spun endless dramas about their lives. Many people here tried to help them. Many. A collection was taken up for a laptop computer. Offers of housing were made. Prayers were posted. People tried to locate them in person.
Either you remember them or you don't. But past a certain point, some people cannot be helped from here.
I hope there is a resolution for the OP, one way or another.
noella17
(48 posts)Greasy hair would be quite embarassing in the workplace, I would imagine. I don't see how peope can shrug off some of these things but on the other hand, I can't see myself paying all that money for a place when there are clearly places for half that amount without holes in the ceiling.
In any case, this lady must need something from this community. I don't know if it's truly monetary. Maybe she just wanted sympathy--someone to care. I think it's a bit harsh to call her a scammer or insinuate as much. Even those who lie about illnesses and other "dire" situations are trying to fill a need. The least we can do is have empathy for that.
Boudica the Lyoness
(2,899 posts)Many of us here have been in terrible pickles and many have been without hotwater heaters.
My house was gutted by fire 35 years ago, in mid-Winter. I had a little boy in first grade, a dog, two cats and a horse. I didn't drive and either took the bus or rode my bike to work. My nearest relative was over 5,000 miles away. I never asked anyone for help. I stayed a few nights a motel until I could find a place to rent. For three months I walked four miles, twice a day, sometimes through deep snow, to feed and water my horse who was still in his pasture next to my home. Soon as my house was re-built I moved back in.
I NEVER MISSED ONE DAY OF WORK.
Sure I was young and healthy back then, but not going to work while you still have a roof over your head and somewhere to boil or heat up water stuns me.
noella17
(48 posts)I don't need to defend this woman but I am choosing to do so because some folks just don't understand that not everyone functions perfectly under stress. Yes, even when you have kids. I have no kids and I can't imagine how people even do it under the best circumstances. Life seems so hard already. But good for you that you were able to manage. I just want you to stretch the boundaries of your ability to understand another human being outside of yourself.
Boudica the Lyoness
(2,899 posts)You need to understand why I wrote that. If that same thing happened to me today, what happened 35 years ago, I would be in trouble. My health is very bad and I have been rendered useless. Lucky for me I now have a husband and adult sons to look after me.
I take offense that you wrote that I need to "stretch the boundaries of your ability to understand another human being outside of yourself". You are judging me even though you don't know me.
Let me make this clear, it doesn't take much energy, good health or commonsense to put the kettle on, heat some water, wash your stinky bits and get the fuck to work. If a person wrote that they were too ill or old to do that it would be a different story. But she had a job and used the excuse that she couldn't get to work because she didn't have a functioning water heater. Blamed her landlady for getting her fired!
Hekate
(90,758 posts)Something very strange is going on here, and the longer it drags on the more divisive it becomes and the worse it looks all the way around.
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CreekDog
(46,192 posts)Not to mention, where on earth are you renting an apartment in Delaware County that's a slum for almost $2000/month?
You aren't even in center city or Bucks County.
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KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)JI7
(89,260 posts)To another place and pay that amount ?
2000 is a lot. There should be many places much less
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TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)Because he wouldn't allow me to refute the slumlord lying and saying I never paid any security deposit or last month's rent which I could have had the asshole even let me SPEAK at all during the hearing he thinks there was no security or last month's rent paid though I came to the hearing with the original receipt she signed that said I'd paid all this when I signed the lease. But I can't do a fucking thing about his judgment unless I appeal which I can't afford to do!
I have two choice now: either pay her the judgment which allows me to stay in this dump while I get a job and get together enough money to rent something else or appeal. If I don't do either of these things in the next few days since that's all the time I'm given then the constable comes and throws me out.
I have only a few hundred dollars to my name right now and that's thanks to the generosity of DUer's that's what I've been living off of. As much as I'd like to run out of hear screaming I have nowhere to go, nowhere to store everything I own, no time to even pack anything up, nowhere to put Yoshi who I simply can't live without right now seeing as he's the only thing that's made me keep fighting every day. Best case scenerio is that I can either pay that judgment in the next few days or appeal and I have no money to do either.
This evil beast of a landlord has destroyed my life and this asshole judge who ignored my rights and the law just helped her.
JI7
(89,260 posts)At least make sure the slumlord doesn't get more out of you.
Try another place.
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)I don't have anywhere to go, and no one is going to rent anything to me with no income and no money to put down. I'm STUCK here until I can get a job and the money to move.
JI7
(89,260 posts)TOwards a different place.
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)Any lordlord wouldn't let someone sign a lease without their having income to afford them the ability to pay the rent every month. Without a job right now I CAN'T rent anything. And all this shit from the slumlord and the judge has just kept me from getting out there to pound the pavement.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)You obviously have a computer - send resumes, network, check city, county, and state job openings. They all have websites.
Companies have websites too.
If you're not working, finding a job should be your primary occupation until you get one.
seveneyes
(4,631 posts)If not, a move might be the best move. Existence in the ether is often just the calm before the storm.
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)and would have done it awhile ago. I have nowhere to go. I haven't been able to get a job since she got me fired from mine. Without a job and the money to pay the up front fees to rent somewhere else this is the only roof I have keeping me from being homeless.
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Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)Sometime you can find free room and board for helping around the house, or taking care of someone who needs help. Some people need rides to doctors offices or grocery stores, or to their jobs.
Omaha Steve
(99,682 posts)Splitting the rent and utilities with others saves you $.
Liberalynn
(7,549 posts)Sending positive thoughts your way. I agree with Loch. Call Catholic Charities. Please keep us updated.
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)I wouldn't even have thought of that were it not for people here. This is holy week because of Easter, so I'm guessing they're all busy with stuff because of that. Tomorrow morning one church said to call the Monseigneur tomorrow morning because he's got nothing specific scheduled.
I didn't know about this particular catholic charities website before though.
Thank you! Hell, I could really just use some emotional support as well since I don't even have anything like that in my life and have been trying to deal with everything all by myself.
seveneyes
(4,631 posts)Emotional support is best with a nearby connection with those who can help. Sometime you have to seek them out by following your heart. It can be scary and dangerous, but to find that which you seek is worth the risks.
We are kept by our wits and it can be scary at times.
glinda
(14,807 posts)Omaha Steve
(99,682 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6221474
Going back to lurker mode.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)inanna
(3,547 posts)Just googled and it looks as though it is also available in the US:
2-1-1 is an easy to remember telephone number that, where available, connects people with important community services and volunteer opportunities. In 2013, 2-1-1 services in the United States answered more than 15.6 million calls. The implementation of 2-1-1 is spearheaded by United Ways and information and referral agencies in states and local communities. United Way Worldwide (UWW) and the Alliance for Information and Referral Systems (AIRS) are committed to providing national leadership so that every American has access to this essential service.
Link: http://www.211us.org/
I don't know if they'll have what you need, but it might be worth a try?
I'm so very sorry for your troubles.
daredtowork
(3,732 posts)I'm just going to throw this in before a bunch of people pile on to say "see TTW has help but is ignoring it!" - I found 211 completely useless for rent issues where I live. They only collate and offer the services that actually exist in your area.
Again - not testifying to what TTW is doing or not doing. Just asking people not to make assumptions about what is at her disposal.
When you are facing homelessness, you work every option available to you. (Including "asking the Internet" for help).
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(11,065 posts)It's the judgment I have to pay in order to not be thrown onto the street. Though I shouldn't have to pay anything because I paid last month's rent and security deposit when I first moved in here and brought the original receipt with her signature to court as proof, but when she said in the hearing that I never paid it the fucking judge wouldn't LET me saying anything to refute that much less show him the proof that I had paid it! This asshole ran over all my rights from the start and wouldn't even LET me defend myself at the hearing!
I have only two choices: pay the judgment or appeal. I don't want to pay that evil nest of vipers slumlord one more fucking DIME and shouldn't have to because of what I'd paid when I first came here that she lied about in the hearing and the judge refused to let me refute. I'd much rather appeal especially since I'd win based on his not following the law alone, but to appeal I have to pay the county court the full amount of the judgment plus a filing fee of almost $300. For the appeal I'd really need an attorney which I can't afford either and I already know that even if I could afford to appeal I'd have to do without an attorney and muddle through on my own which could very well cost me from winning it.
"Well off"... Jesus. Thanks. On top of everything else destroying my life I really needed that one.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)I wish I could do more for you TTW. Keep your chin up. :hug
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Moosepoop
(1,922 posts)And by the way, Dick, if you had bothered to actually read the other thread beyond that first post that was obviously typed up in a bewildered frenzy, you would have seen the actual amount of monthly rent being discussed.
Keep on sleuthing, you mighty detective, you!
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)My dad uses it all the time.
Moosepoop
(1,922 posts)I get a lot of quizzical looks from my offspring and their friends! Must be I'm getting old...
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)and yes. Of course it's the same place. My rent is $1250 a month which is CHEAP for this area and more than affordable for me until she got me fired from my job.
Anything else you'd like to crap on me about?
grasswire
(50,130 posts)What's to stop this landlord from trying worse next week? I feel like you have to get away from this situation.
One thing I don't understand is how the law isn't being followed. Normally a 30-day notice is required to evict, unless the renter is engaging in criminal or dangerous activity. And even after that time, a sheriff must post a notice and that takes many days. Normally there's a penalty for a landlord not complying with the law that protects renters.
What would you think about going to your local TV station? Or would that make matters worse for you?
Is your car strong? Would it pull a trailer? Could you put some stuff in storage or sell off the furniture quickly and re-locate somewhere where rents are cheaper? There oughta be small towns in Pennsylvania or West Virginia with more housing options.
You could pull this off in four days with some gofundme help, perhaps? Find a storage place, get some church people to help you clean out the town house. Then sell stuff and relocate.
I wonder if you could be termed a woman in danger for purposes of the special services that can be provided. Normally that's a man-woman type thing, but this is just as damaging as domestic violence.
Just some thoughts.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)unemployment if you were fired unjustly?
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ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)Are you not aware of the fucking hide thread option? Or do you enjoy posting mean shit?
Texasgal
(17,046 posts)It's clear.
What a jerk!
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)We probably have every possible economic, nationality, sexual orientation, religion, political, eft group there is. That is what makes us special.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)There are "pretty well off people" everywhere. I don't get why you would post this here.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)I thought TTW raised enough to get through.
I could be wrong. I'll go find the thread.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)I think it was $1250, which is still a large amount for an unemployed person.
PasadenaTrudy
(3,998 posts)and he's a plumber. Jobs in SoCal pay more than other parts of the country.
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)(answering "allforone"
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)As am I amazed by returning trolls-- whomever they may be.
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)I hate passive-aggressive.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Note to Jurors: I will wear this hide with pride.
Texasgal
(17,046 posts)In this case I'm with you!
JanMichael
(24,890 posts)truebrit71
(20,805 posts)JanMichael
(24,890 posts)Fearless
(18,421 posts)Fuck off, idiot.
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hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)I hope mirt takes a look at you.
Moosepoop
(1,922 posts)I'm so sorry you're going through all this!!! I so wish I could help you! A number of years ago you helped me tremendously -- it was in a non-financial way and I don't know that you are even aware of how much you did for me... let me just say that you helped me see an old issue in a new light, and then to put it to rest. That was a very important thing for me, and I'll be forever in your debt for that!
I can't help financially right now (oh, how I wish I could!!!), as I'm barely hanging on by my fingernails myself at the moment. All I can do is keep this kicked, and hope that the help you need comes through!!
I don't know if you believe in prayer, but I do, and I'll be doing that, too.
Please keep us updated!!!
closeupready
(29,503 posts)I'd give if I could, and maybe I can if a gofundme link is posted. K&R
suffragette
(12,232 posts)211. As another poster noted above, this is a good place to start. It's a clearing house for social services, so they can provide you with contact to local agencies which might be able to help in various ways: housing, food, emergency utilities, etc.
This one looks like it might be in your area.
https://unitedforimpact.org/our-impact/211
http://womensresourcecenter.net/programs/information-referral-2/
From their website:
The Information and Referral Helpline is the gateway to all of Women's Resource Center's programs and services. In addition to information about our programs, you can call for access to help in your area for a wide range of issues, including legal issues, employment, mental health, parenting, relationship issues, health care, addiction, reproductive health, financial assistance, housing, and personal development.
Monday - Friday 9:00 a.m. - 4:30 p.m.
To get connected, call (610) 687-6391
Hope these can help.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)So even if she is horrible, which it sounds she is..that does not sound like it will help you
keep you in your apartment..unless I misunderstood you.
I don't know how much money you have and I am not asking you to divulge that here
yet think about what you can do short term..like store your belongs etc.
This sounds like it might be a fit for your situation..speak to them, perhaps?
In certain instances, applicants who are fleeing domestic violence situations, who are imminently homeless, or who are residing in places unfit for human habitation may apply without an agency referral. Additional documentation will be required.
http://dignityhousing.org/whatwedo/eligibility/
metroins
(2,550 posts)No offense meant, just reality.
You're poor and can't afford to sustain your current situation.
It's time to have a yard sale and sell all of your stuff on Craigslist. It's time to move into your car and get rid of your pet yoshi, likely via Craigslist or animal shelter (no kill).
Your next move is to contact social services and try to get help, while you're doing that you need to Google safe places to park your car while you sleep. Next obtain a gym membership at a 24 hour place so you can shower each day.
While you're doing that, you need to be looking for a full time job as well as putting your skills on Craigslist. You can pick up small jobs as painting, mowing lawns or other skills you may have. You can net an extra 300+ a week doing odd jobs.
While this is going on, hopefully social services has helped and you can begin the few month long journey of getting your life back together. Unless you have family you can move in with, this seems to be your best bet.
That's what I would do.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)No.
"Easy problem." Fuck that inhumane noise.
No thanks for your "advice."
Enjoy your stay.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)Seriously?
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)uppityperson
(115,677 posts)Thank you for letting me know it isn't just me reading it that way.
ScreamingMeemie
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(68,918 posts)That's it right there.
Oh yeah...
...welcome to DU.
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Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Mr./Ms. metroins won't be around for long, I think...
Texasgal
(17,046 posts)you ray of sunshine you!
She will not get rid of her pet and should not have to. Oh, and if you can read you can see that she's been looking for work! Duh!
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)Good grief. The woman has enough problems without supposed "friends on a message board" acting like complete assholes.
I really don't like to curse, but "asshole" is the only word I could find to describe such assholery.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)You feelings are right.
Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)Never had anything like this happen to you or yours have you? Getting your life unzipped by someone.
To be facing a complete liquidation of everything you own.
To have strangers argue about the 3 dollar price tag on the hand painted serving tray you got as a wedding gift 20 years ago. To have them try to talk you down on the price of a digital camera bought 4 months previously and currently set at 1/4 the price you paid for it.
I hope you never have to face that. I hope you learn compassion.
nruthie
(466 posts)Good Lord, how cold and clueless can a person be. Cruel.
Skittles
(153,171 posts)because only a sociopath would casually say something like, "GET RID OF YOUR PET"
Ellipsis
(9,124 posts)The bartender asks, who has the darkest personality out of you three? The Narcissist says me, the Psychopath says, I dont care and the Mach says its whoever I want it to be.
tblue37
(65,458 posts)our companion animals.
Also, animals transferred via Craig's List are often used as bait for fighting dogs or as experimental subjects.
Just no.
Once you accept responsibility for a living creature, you are responsible for its well-being.
daredtowork
(3,732 posts)And this is why I keep saying TTW's stress is believable. A lot of us want to believe a social safety net is there that just isn't there. TTW says she does not have a job, and so she is unable to pay her rent. She is looking homelessness down the barrel. Without a job she isn't in a stable enough situation to set up in a new place.
It's easy to say "well get a job, then". At this point she may be so stressed out that she's in a condition that no one will hire her and/or she wouldn't be able to hold down a job if she got one. That also may be too complicate to explain here. Such a situation could take months if not years to resolve.
People might be inviting TTW to stay with them, but for how long? What will happen if TTW wears out her welcome and doesn't have a job yet? This happened to a homeless woman on Daily Kos who had a dog. She ended up in Nowhere Maine, where it was next to impossible to find a job and very hard to travel out once she was there. She didn't realize she was expected to get her life back together in 3 weeks when she accepted the offer.
Social Services can probably get her out of TTW out of her car and into a shelter (though she officially has to become homeless first). There she will be subject to the rules of that shelter. Having a pet will surely be out of the question.
I don't even have a pet, and I'm trying my best to avoid that fate.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)You are a very wise and compassionate person.
During the nuclear crisis in Japan, I tried to get my brother to come back to the states. He's been living in Japan for over 30 years. He didn't have the money to come back and it was gonna take an additional three or four thousand dollars to get his dog back here with him. So he wouldn't leave. He was facing a nuclear meltdown and he wouldn't leave his dog.
People are complex. I don't find anything unbelievable about what TTW is going through. I am sad about the things being said in this thread. I can understand people being upset at not getting a thank you for helping. But is that why they were helping? So they could get a pat on the back? Do you know how many times I've given money to a stranger knowing that I'll probably never see that person again and have no idea how the person will spend that money? If you are going to give conditionally...let the person know your expectations up front. Maybe that would make it easier for all involved.
I really hope that your situation works out. I guess the reason this all upsets me so much is that I have been there. I had relatives that treated me the way TTW got treated in this thread and it just really brought back a lot of that pain. I was very young. I had a baby. My mother had just died. I didn't have a drug addiction. I wasn't mentally ill. But I was homeless for nine months and lived in my car. That was a million years ago and I'm way past that now. I am so glad that the internet didn't exist back then. I had a hard enough time asking anyone for help to begin with. And I still do.
I don't have any answers here. All I know is that some folks made it seem like they went out of their way to get information on TTW and spread it around in private messages and started making all kinds of public accusations. To me, that just seemed like cruelty stacked on top of cruelty.
I'm sorry for being so hard on those people. I'm sure in their own way they believe they are doing the right thing. It just makes me incredibly sad.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)then get a storage unit and MOVE OUT!
Go to the nearest short term stay suite that has a kitchenette (trust me you'll get enough $$ for this too) that allows pets.
Then work on getting a job. It's obvious you can't function or get a job in your current living situation. Break that cycle.
Let us help you break that cycle.
You're in a toxic situation and it's time to MOVE OUT.
Set up a GoFundMe account now.
You are loved. Trust us.
stage left
(2,965 posts)Set up a gofundme and get totally away from this psycho.
Sissyk
(12,665 posts)This, TorchtheWitch!!
Please do this just as riderinthestorm has laid it out for you.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)If I am ever in a panic, I'm am totally calling you to talk me down.
dissentient
(861 posts)which is in itself kind of strange, IMHO (that they don't want to use their real name). I'll say no more though.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)but doesn't respond to that point and obviously hasn't set up an account yet.
I'm not sure what any of us can do at this point. She seems unwilling to take any of the many, many excellent suggestions - simply continuing to repeat the details of her situation over and over...
Every day she delays taking action is losing her support here.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)is time that could be better spend elsewhere if so much has to be done.
Jefferson23
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Texasgal
(17,046 posts)OMG! This is just awful! I though for sure the judge would at least see it your way especially with all the horrendous pictures and documentation. Please re-send your e-mail and I'll see if I can help you with a few bucks.
In the meantime. Do not answer you phone to that crazy lady! Save yourself some sanity! Just do not deal with her. Second, is your car working? I hear that alot of money can be made quickly for driving for UBER. I mean in a few days even.
https://get.uber.com/cl/?city_name=washington-DC&utm_source=Bing_Brand&utm_campaign=search|desktop|drivers|washington-DC|country-1|city-8|keyword_drive%20with%20uber|matchtype_e|ad_6718621835|campaign_brand|group_uberdriver%3Eexact&utm_medium=kenid_8f027a2a-2182-4c3a-be21-359eacd85175
I hear they are offering a stipend if you sign up. It may be just enough to get you going.
PM me with your info again. I am thinking about you and Yoshi and am wishing that I was closer. You would absolutely have a warm bed and Yoshi would be just fine with my two other spoiled doggies. PA is a long way form Texas.
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)I'm still shell-shocked over what the judge did from scheduling the hearing at all ignoring the law right through to the judgment. He ran completely roughshod over me. Figures that's he's a Republican.
Right before the hearing all four tires on my car inexplicably started losing air. One of them went completely flat and I thought I just had the bad luck to run over a nail. Got that fixed in the middle of all this hearing crap by my saintly mechanic I've known since I was a kid who told me there was something wrong with the air valves on all four tires and they were all losing air. Lovely. He'll be fixing them for me for free and he's unsure about sabotage. With this psycho landlord that's been harassing me since less than an hour after the hearing it wouldn't surprise me if she did something to my tires or had someone do it. I have to keep watching them and filling them with air when they get low. I was hoping tomorrow I can finally get it in to get fixed but now I don't know. As long as I don't go far they should be ok until then.
The police have been great (I'm blessed with a fabulous police department). Because Yoshi loves to go to the police station since it's also a park I already know a lot of them. She's royally pissed at me that now the township is forcing her to fix the things she's neglected for so long and I now have a shiny new lovely pvc sewage pipe in the basement. It was the plumber who first called me to warn me that she was trying to lie to people like him that she'd gotten permission from me to come into the house for something the get fixed when he knew she hadn't though he's stuck since of course he wants to do the work and have her pay him. We've agreed to keep anything about her on the down-low and he'll call me any time she says that she has permission from me to come in.
I was already thinking about pizza delivery, etc. though my car is anything but reliable. It used to be my aunt's who gave it to me when she bought a new car. Though it has really low mileage it's a heap of rust underneath like most cars from the New England area. In hindsight I would have been better off with the car I had at the time. Lesson learned.
I got some advice from the guy that runs the bartending school that said this time of year the temp agencies are going nuts to fill "catering" bartending positions which is probably my best bet. They're one shift jobs for a wedding or some other kind of banquet or special event but the pay is really good. I'd need a tuxedo outfit but he said they can tell me what I'd need and where to buy it cheap. There's tons of these agencies but because of my iffy car I'm really nervous about going into the city for any though I'll probably have to in order to get enough work. Of course it means signing up with a few agencies and getting ready to run out the door for a job at the last minute every day, but I'm too desperate for work to care. I was hoping to finally be able to do that tomorrow but with everything else I just don't have the time... right now I'm scrambling to keep from being thrown out on the street because of this shitheaded judge. I just found out today what the hell his judgment meant and how much time I had to either appeal or pay that evil beast of a slumlord.
God, I really need to take a shower (the first one in nearly a week! eeeewww!) and get some sleep. I can't even remember anymore the last time I slept. Though I've not eaten a thing in two days I don't want to try that again since last night I spent most of the night in the bathroom turning myself nearly inside out. Fun times. Ugh.
Though it's raining Yoshi wants his walk so I better do that first.
Thank you a million times, and I really wish you weren't so far away!
Omaha Steve
(99,682 posts)You had lots of problems with PayPal getting you the $ on time 6 weeks ago.
Some people have asked questions in public & private that don't get answered and that doesn't help your situation.
Help us help you.
Yes Marta and I kicked in last time.
Texasgal
(17,046 posts)Especially since TTW has been a prolific poster here on DU. Think about Andy? I can sympathize. I would never let the jerks over at CC know my private info. They lurk and are internet bullies!
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)I also would only donate through that system.
Omaha Steve
(99,682 posts)Only what is given to the site for use.
I've given to several through DUers that posted for others.
Here is one we kicked into when a DUer asked for help for a friend: http://www.gofundme.com/f4jti0
Texasgal
(17,046 posts)Take a bath and try to rest. I'll send a few bucks tomorrow. Can't see to get into pay pal tonight for some reason.
Tomorrow is another day. Perhaps something good will come along. Stay put and do not under any circumstances talk to the nut! Just get your ducks in a row. You'll be okay... keep telling yourself that.
It is Tuesday
(93 posts)Would you know what breed he is, and a picture of him?
Texasgal
(17,046 posts)plenty of pics of Yoshi.
It is Tuesday
(93 posts)I'll mosey over there and look
It is Tuesday
(93 posts)I couldn't believe I was seeing an Akita - don't see one that often... beautiful breed!
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LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)I've managed rentals and I've evicted people. There are regional variations and some judges are assholes, but what you're describing isn't how things work anywhere. You're not going to go from a written notice to pay rent or quit to unlawful detainer court to a lockout in six weeks. The system isn't that fast at the best of times in the least complicated cases. UD courts in cities have months long backlogs in the current economy. Likewise no judge is going to refuse to look at your cancelled checks. That's just too silly to even ask people to believe.
I'd advise posters to be skeptical.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)That's your response to someone who is about to wind up out in the street???!??
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)hmmm.
I love you
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)205. this eviction seems to be going as fast as some correspondence nursing schools we've read about here
hmmm.
Go get a life, you're pittiful.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)Well, I'll be!
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darkangel218
(13,985 posts)You're not worth getting a hide over.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)harassing other DUers. I doubt you could ever pass your own tests.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Texasgal
(17,046 posts)This is a long time DU'er that has never spammed this board looking for a freebie.
I've seen some... she is not one of them.
Lex
(34,108 posts)A plea for $2,000 (a month's rent according to that post) from about 6 weeks ago?
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)you've seen her soliciting funds on a regular basis during those years?
I don't think so.
Lex
(34,108 posts)and I answered. Now you say a DU'er who hasn't "soliciting funds on a regular basis during those years" which is a bit different.
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)none say anything like that.
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ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)"DUer that has never spammed this board."
find that comment. Prove it.
I never said it, and I expect an acknowledgment of the falsehood.
Lex
(34,108 posts)I was clearly replying to Texasgal before you butted in. My deepest and sincerest apologies for attributing what Texasgal said to you. Now, are you going to be able to carry on?
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)Star Member Lex (34,040 posts) Response to ND-Dem (Reply #130)
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 09:19 PM
147. You originally said a "DU'er that has never spammed this board" and I answered. Now you say a DU'er who hasn't "soliciting funds on a regular basis during those years" which is a bit different.
Lex
(34,108 posts)but mis-attributed it to you. Clearly they were her words in the post just above, not yours. Are you like this in real life? Geez.
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)as I hadn't been talking to you at all. So why don't you quit trying to bullshit your way out and blame me for your own error?
Star Member Lex (34,040 posts) Response to ND-Dem (Reply #130)
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 09:19 PM
147. You originally said a "DU'er that has never spammed this board" and I answered. Now you say a DU'er who hasn't "soliciting funds on a regular basis during those years" which is a bit different.
Be creepy at someone else.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)Texasgal
(17,046 posts)I agree with you.
So, at this point can we discuss what constitutes "spamming" This is a DU'er that joined in 2003 and has posted ONE other thread regarding her situation. How is that spam?
There is another member here that posts MONTHLY about his issues... I mean I see it all of the time. To me that's SPAM.
Lex
(34,108 posts)I'll grant you that. But asking for $2000 a few weeks back, then again $2000 now, for a situation that is much more complicated than throwing 2K at it every month.
Of membership means this story is true?
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)has a history of asking for money.
So far as I'm able to discern, she doesn't.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)that part about the judge refusing to look at evidence is odd.
The landlord causing the job loss because of no hot water ... makes no sense.
The unemployment does not seem to be new, yet what are the future plans for rent payment?
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Two pleas for money (the same amount too) in as many months is just odd.
REP
(21,691 posts)But there are too many things that make no sense. Evictions do not work this way or the way described in the first urgent plea for money. They just don't.
And after she pays this month, what next?
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)If the inspection found that the place is uninhabitable (and any number of the issues she described would result in that) then the landlord would either have a very short time period to remedy the situation or would not be able to legally rent the unit until it was corrected, depending on local rules and the exact nature of the violation. Collecting rent while the unit is not inhabitable isn't generally allowed, but the tenant would generally have to put the money toward correcting the unit themselves or show that they were setting the money aside. You can't use the existing issues with the unit as an excuse not to pay.
I'm still not sure how issues with the property would result in losing her job, either. The landlord can let workers in, she didn't have to sit around and miss work to open the door for the plumber or something.
In short, nothing about the story makes any sense to me, and I've dealt with some obscure corners of tenancy law and even trained property managers in the weirder possibilities.
REP
(21,691 posts)That is, if the problems are something the landlord should maintain, the tenant pays rent to an escrow account until the deficiencies are remedied.
But aside from all the what the fuckery in these stories - like the police getting involved in civil matters - let's say the sky is green there. Where's the money coming from next month? The unemployment is a multi-month situation.
happyslug
(14,779 posts)Local government just refuses to crack down on them, and it is the local government that has the duty to provide such inspections and close down such housing.
The State Legislature has REFUSED to give magistrate the right to close down such housing, saying it is up to the Tenant NOT to rent such uninhabitable housing.
Now, there is a movement to crack down on such bad housing, but it includes fees for inspections and registration of rental units within Municipalities. This option is spreading but a lot of landlords oppose such licensing for most landlords are almost as poor as the people they are renting to. Being a landlord when it comes to low rental housing is NOT what the wealthy invest it, it ends up being someone not making much more money then the tenant who is renting a house, they obtain the rental units cheaply, often by inheritance, but once they own the rental unit such landlords rarely can sell it for no one wants it OR the value is so low that the closing costs exceeds the value of the rental unit.
Thus low income rental units are owned by very marginal landlords who often are one step away from abandoning the property they are renting out. You run up to much of a fee, the house will just be abandoned and the municipality will have to tear it down when the rental unit becomes to bad.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)because of the landlady. Surely if that is the case, there would be some recourse?
I'd be out and on my way to a campground with my dog. And I would have done that with the first 2 grand, not waited around for more misery.
REP
(21,691 posts)She didn't have hot water, so she couldn't wash, so she couldn't go to work. I don't know how that works, especially since in this thread she says she hasn't showered in a week.
Not having hot water suuuuuucks, but I've been there. I heated water on the stove for a bath, or to just wash pits/privates/face etc.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I don't know the time frame on this at all.
But she said she used up all her savings paying the landlord ( I assume AFTER the landlord got her fired).
I would have used up my savings finding another place. Why stay in a place that is so horrid?
REP
(21,691 posts)I would have tried to find a smaller, less expensive place and collect unemployment.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Actually looked for a job every day, also and contacted St Vincent's and ALL the charities linked here by DUers. And make sure the car is in working order since someone has offered free help. It appears none of this happened in six weeks?
Seriously, how did so many miss that she refuses to get any help - to follow up on any advice except how to get cash?
REP
(21,691 posts)And my money will go elsewhere.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Got up every morning, heated a pan of water on a hot plate, had a 'biffy bath' (as some Brits call it) and went off to work--and that lasted for six months.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I decided to live on some land my family owns in the country.
Very primitive, with no plumbing at that time. I heated water on a Coleman, put it in a sunshower bag and took outside showers. Yes, even in the winter.
I hear ya, Surya -where there's a will, there's a way. I've kind of got a compulsion about showering every day lol, and I would (and have) take a cold one if I have too. It only hurts for a bit lol.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)country lean-to here in France.
Acccck, getting up at 6 to take a cold shower! Trying to pull on your clothes with shivering fingers...
You know, cwydro, many Americans have no idea what real hardship is.
During my first 5-6 years here in France, I learned the hard way.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I actually have gotten to like cold showers lol...it's just that first bite so to speak. Has to be done FAST and then it's all good.
Here in the summer of course, it's so bloody hot that I look forward to the cold showers.
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)I'm not the only one who noticed that.
Very odd, indeed.
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)I don't know if this guy thinks he can do whatever the hell he wants just because he's the only judge and runs the district court or what. And yes, he's a Republican. Figures.
There was two hearings. The first one never should have been scheduled at all because the landlord didn't serve a Notice to Quit on me. By PA law she CAN'T file for an eviction until after the 10 days from the date of service of the Notice to Quit expires. I told the dingbat clerk this and she had absolutely no idea what the hell I was talking about. She said that when someone comes and fills out an eviction form and pays the fee she just goes ahead and schedules a hearing. The judge doesn't actually SEE anything since they rubber stamp his signature on everything, so he was Mr. Know Nothing until the hearing.
The only reason I went to the hearing is because that dumbass clerk said that I should just tell the judge during the hearing, and I could not get her to understand that the law forbids a hearing to even be scheduled until the Notice to Quit obligation is satisfied. So I went because I basically had no choice. If I didn't go he just would have made a judgment in her favor for whatever she wanted. So, there wasn't a thing I could do gut bring up the business of the Notice to Quit the first chance I got to say anything. Since she was the plaintiff she got to speak first.
The first hearing wasn't so bad. He said he couldn't accept my photos as evidence unless I had copies of them for her, and I'd thought of that already and got double prints, so she got a copy of them all and so did the judge. Most of that hearing was his letting her babble on and on, which was actually interesting since she's a pathological liar the more you let her blab the more insane her lies get. The judge actually told her he didn't believe her. I was hoping she'd do her full blown psycho screaming thing she does whenever someone says they don't believe her or actual tries to dispute her but no such luck.
There was also the fact that she never even had a license to rent the place to begin with. I found that out from the nice woman at the Code Enforcement office who explained that the reason for the license is so that a township inspector can check the whole property for anything unsafe/out of code, etc. No way in hell she would have passed that inspection. The also told me that the township had the property listed by someone with a different last name (her previous married name) and lived at the address that I rent rather than the home she lives in.
Most of that first hearing was the judge asking her questions about the license, finding out it had never been inspected as well as several problems with the lease and stuff like that. He also let me tell a very brief summary of the story like the things that happened, her not fixing them and my losing my job because of it yet I continued to pay the rent until I had next to no money at all left. The judge closed the hearing and scheduled another one for the same time in a week because he wanted a township inspector to inspect the place and give him a report.
I was thinking "YES!" since for a week I'd been trying to get a township inspector to do just that myself. But during the whole hearing every time it was my turn to speak my landlord kept interrupting me and the judge wasn't doing anything about it! I felt like I was on Jerry Springer! I kept looking toward the judge to see what the hell he was doing, and he was just sitting there watching us like we were some tv show. Afterward I convinced myself that he let that go on to see for himself how loony she is.
Right after that hearing the landlord called me and told me she wanted the plumber to come in to replace that sewage pipe she was ignoring for two damn years! Well, of course she did... she didn't want the inspector to see the one she'd been ignoring! I talked to the plumber myself and told him that I wanted him to come look at it since i know he never had before but that it wasn't getting replaced until the inspector saw it. No problem with that - he's a really nice guy.
I didn't hear anything about the township inspector coming until the afternoon before the next hearing date. I was told that the inspector would be there to do his inspection an hour before the hearing and that he'd be bringing the landlord. That inspection was a disaster. He told me I wasn't allowed to talk to him at all and that he "worked for the property owner". WTF??? He found a whole bunch of stuff that was messed up, but when it came to the major things like the sewage pipe, the falling down and leaking living room ceiling, etc. all he did was glance at it and say it had to be fixed. I swear I wanted to turn the shower on so that water leaked out of the ceiling onto their heads.
Then we had to go straight to the hearing which was a disaster. The judge wouldn't let me see the copy of the report from the inspector, so I have no idea what the hell it said. I was completely cut out of the loop concerning the inspection. The judge and the landlord talked back and forth about some things in the report that I couldn't even follow what they were talking about since they were both looking at their own copies of it and I wasn't allowed to have one.
At one point the judge asked me if I had gotten a letter from my old boss about my being fired. I tried but of course I wasn't able to. I called the bar over and over and only once someone (the bartender who likely took my place) answered. I told her I desperately needed to talk to him, she's said something like "Uh-huh" and I could tell she wasn't writing down my name or number. I have no doubt she said nothing to him about my call. I also tried calling his cell number since he's usually not ever at the bar anyway, and he either has a new one or blocked my number. I get that... he wouldn't want to have people he's fired calling his cell all the time begging for their job back or whatever. I told all this to the judge.
At another point the landlord said I'd never paid a security deposit or last month's rent, and I did and had the original receipt she signed about all the money I paid when I signed the lease and how much was for what. When I tried to refute that the judge interrupted me as soon as I opened my mouth. Every single time I tried to refute anything the landlord said while he'd let her go on and on without interruption he shut me down! I had spent hours and hours for this hearing hunting down old emails and copies of letters, etc. and printing them out that I'd brought to court and even some more photos, and he wouldn't even let me BRING UP any of it.
Then he turns to me and asks me why I was still there when all this stuff was happening, and my jaw just dropped. Had he not listened to a single word I'd said? I'm BROKE. I lost my job because of this crap! The house was suddenly falling down around my ears, I can't get the landlord to fix anything or she sends in some incompetent boob family member to "fix" something who only screws it up worse, and the stress of it all had me so beaten down if the house started burning down around me I would have likely just sat there and fried thinking "oh great, more hell piling on". At that point he ended the hearing and said we'd get his judgment in the mail. I left in tears.
Never could I have even imagined a judge this bad in my worst nightmares. This epic asshole must think it's his court and he can spit on all the laws he likes and nobody is going to even notice. And they likely don't. He's got his court SET UP to run roughshod over the law, and it's not very likely that most people would even know about it. It's ridiculously informal. Nobody gets put under oath, there's no witness chair, there's no way to know that it even is a court except for him wearing a robe. It's just a room with folding chairs and a couple of folding tables. Of course, he has his bench, and most of the time he leans back in his chair which makes only the very top of his bald head visible. Most of the time it was like listening to a talking bench with about an inch of scalp at the top. Even when sitting up you can only see about 3/4 of his head.
Odd is hardly the word for it. In my book it's criminal.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)work on setting up a GoFundMe account and getting your car fixed.
Spending this much time on DU right now isn't getting you anywhere but heartsick and stuck.
Stop the paralysis.
Go dumpster diving now for boxes and start packing. On the way check into your local library and find out what you need to do to get internet access once you leave your place.
ieoeja
(9,748 posts)"Here are the cancelled checks and a copy of the lease."
"Let me see that."
Vs.
"She's lying! That isn't at all what happened. You have to let me speak. She's been like this since the day I moved in. She's always making shit up, and...."
"That's enough."
{thinking} "But I was just trying to show him the evidence. Why wouldn't he let me show my evidence?"
Agreed.
happyslug
(14,779 posts)Under the Pennsylvania Landlord and Tenant Act of 1951 as amended in 1997, 2013 and 2014, if a tenant is behind in rent, the landlord starts the eviction procedure by posting a 10 day notice to pay up or leave on the front door of the Rental unit (or the notice may be given to the Tenant by personal service). At the end of that ten day period, the Landlord can file a Landlord and Tenant Action in Magistrate Court, which must have a hearing not less then five days form the filing, but not more then ten days. In the hearing the Magistrate only has to listen to the Landlord issue of rent due. If tenant owns rent and does NOT have the ability to pay such rent, the magistrate does NOT have to listen to anything else about the Rental unit, he will give the Tenant Ten day to move to file an appeal.
At the end of the ten day appeal period, the landlord can ask the Magistrate for an "Order for Possession" which will be issued and served on the Tenant by a Constable that the Constable will come back in ten days and removed the Tenant. If the Tenant can NOT pay the rent or the bond to file an appeal, the Tenant can be removed in 35 days in Pennsylvania.
TorchTheWitch claims the Landlord never gave her the ten day written notice and the Magistrate refused to listen to her on that issue. That would have reduced the time of eviction to 25 days. I have such a case ongoing in my office. I ended up doing a Rule to Show Cause why the Tenant should NOT be permitted to stay in the Rental unit for the failure. The Judge signed the Rule, which included the right of the Tenant to stay in the rental unit till the hearing on the Rule. On the day of the Hearing in front of a Common Pleas Court Judge the Landlord did not show up. Another attorney heard me calling they names and told me he was looking for them, for they had purchased a home from one of his clients, but failed to pay the money. When I told him the address, he told me that was the house his client had "sold". He also told me the FBI was looking for the landlords. Why he did not know. My client just wanted some time to move and the Judge decided to continue the action for 30 days. I advised my client NOT to post any bond with the Prothonotary due to the issue of who the tenants may own the money to.
Now, 35 days in the bare minimum (25 days if someone claims to have given the 10 days notice but did not). It is generally a longer time period, about six weeks to two months to remove a tenant. Just a comment that the time to remove a tenant can be shorter then six weeks depending on the State law AND who is forcing people to follow them.
In Western Pennsylvania I rarely hear of a case where a Tenant is removed if there are any question as to service. The horror stories are generally out of Philadelphia and its Suburbs. I compare it to death penalty cases. Western Pa will issue death sentences in extreme cases, but on a population basis 10-25% of death sentences handed out in Philadelphia and its suburbs. Allegheny County, the county Pittsburgh is the County seat of, has the second largest population in Pennsylvania, but is #4 when it comes to people on death role, behind Philadelphia, Berks and York Counties and barely ahead of Lancaster, Lehigh and Northumberland. Those five counties are separated from Philadelphia County, but Philly's bedroom counties of Chester, Bucks, Delaware and Montgomery Counties. Of the 186 people in death row in Pennsylvania only 22 are from counties WEST of Altoona.
I bring the death penalty up for it is one of the differences between Eastern and Western Pennsylvania. Another difference is Western PA juries rarely give out awards for "pain and suffering" but such awards are common in Eastern Pennsylvania (Same law, different results based on Jury makeup).
Philadelphia is a Democratic Base, but till the 1950s it was viewed as a GOP city. Pittsburgh ceased being a GOP city in the 1920s. Except for Obama, most of rural Western Pennsylvania voted for Democratic candidates for President (This is a result of the Coal mining history and that a lot of Coal Miners hate African Americans for African Americans were used as Strike breakers in the 1920s when the United Mine Workers tried to unionized the mines. Once ingrained it became hard to remove that hatred thus Obama lost counties in Western Pennsylvania that Kerry and Gore won easily in 2004 and 2000.
Thus I have found Eastern Pennsylvania a lot harsher on low income people then Western Pennsylvania, but Western Pennsylvania is losing jobs and population so pressure is coming from the Eastern part of the state to come down harder on Tenants and other low income people.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)lancer78
(1,495 posts)I agree, no judge anywhere, unless he or she was having an affair with the landlord or very corrupt, would totally disregard cancelled checks/receipts or refuse to allow you to show them as evidence of payment.
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)(second hand, of course) through the adventures of my BIL who owns a few apartment buildings.
It takes months for him to have non paying tenants kicked out.
So yeah...we're talking about the US here, not some second-world kangaroo court dictatorship
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LexVegas
(6,083 posts)Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)For whatever it is worth.
A little more than 3 years ago, we lost the house and 3/4 of our possessions. We were forced to liquidate and walk away from our home.
We were not in as desperate at situation as you now face. We had 60 days.
The four of us live in 1/3 the floor space. We survive because of food pantries and paper routes supplement my disability insurance.
This may sound hollow now but,
Ya do make it, it will get better at some point.
TDale313
(7,820 posts)Sorry you're going through all this. Hope it all works out for the best. Sounds like you really need to get away from this really bad situation.
happyslug
(14,779 posts)It is a harsh rule, but that is why I always tell my clients that if you are going to withhold rent to force repairs, KEEP THE RENT MONEY BACK TO POST THE BOND NEEDED TO FILE THE APPEAL AND STAY IN THE RENTAL UNIT. If you are behind in rent and can NOT pay the rent, the Magistrate does NOT have to listen to any issue about the habitability of the rental unit. It is a harsh rule, but it is the law in Pennsylvania. Thus it sounds like the magistrate was correct in not listening to you on the issue of habitability, for you were unable to pay the rent.
If you have the money to pay the rent, you can pay and stay (pay the court costs AND the rent due as determined by the Magistrate), or post the money as a bond and file the appeal. If you are low income, and it sounds like you are, you still have to post at least one month's rent as a bond AND pay the court your monthly rent till you have the hearing in front of the Judge.
If you do NOT have the money to post at least one month's rent, you will be removed from the rental unit. The procedure is simple, you have ten days from the date of the Judgement to file an appeal AND post the required bond. If you do NOT file the appeal and post the bond (or file the appeal but do NOT post the bond), the landlord, after that ten day period has expired, has the right to request the Magistrate District Judge (MDJ) to issue an order for possession that will be served on the tenant with a date, ten days after the date of service, when a constable is going to come and remove the tenant from the property.
Notice the constable will come by no sooner then 20 days after the hearing date to remove you.
I live in an area of the State where there are more rental homes available for rent then there are tenants (mostly because there are no jobs) but the rules are the same state wide.
As to the appeal, go to your Legal Aid Office to file the appeal. Pennsylvania has a controverted method of filing an appeal from a Magistrate. First you need to fill out the form to file such an appeal. The top half of the form is the actual appeal, the bottom half is a RULE on the landlord to file an complaint in Common Pleas Court.
Second, you must file the Appeal with the Prothonotary of your county along with a copy of the Magistrate's decision (Which will contain the reason for the eviction including the amount of rent due, if any). You MUST post a bond with the Prothontary equal to the Rent due, as determined by the Magistrate, or Three months rent, as determined by the Magistrate OR if you are low income, a In Forma Pauperias Form (IFP Form) and one month's rent. Once the appeal has been filed, the Prothonotary will sign the square whcih shows a Superceadeas in the eviction has been granted. To to get such a Superceadeas you MUST file within ten days of the Magistrate Judgement.
The Prothonotary will keep the top copy and depending on your county do one of two things:
1. If the county has adopted the rule, the Prothonotary can ask that you provide two envelopes with the addresses of the Landlord and the Magistrate on them, These must have a US postage stamp on them. The Prothonotary office will use those envelopes to mail the notice of appeal to the landlord and the magistrate.
2. If your county has NOT adopted that rule (My county has NOT) the Prothonotary will return all but the top copy of the appeal form to you, and you must mail copies of the appeal to the landlord and the magistrate by certified mail AND then return the next to the top copy of the form to the Prothonotary, with the back of the form filled out that you mailed the forms to the landlord and the magistrate by certified d mail. This notice of appeal MUST be signed by you AND a notary public seal on the form showing you signed the form in front of the notary public.
Once you have done the above, the Landlord has 20 days to file a complaint with the Prothonotary. To that Written Complaint you MUST file a Written Answer.
Rent must be paid monthly as to the amount of rent due each month, if rent is not paid the landlord by a simple letter can have the Superceadeas revoked and the tenant removed.
This is under the Landlord and Tenant Act of 1951 as amended in 1997.
Please note, in 2012 the State Legislature amended the Landlord and Tenant Act of 1951. This was amended again in 2014 effective December 22, 2014. The law in 2015 says that any property left in a rental unit AFTER a tenant has left the unit OR the tenant has been removed by a Constable, is viewed as "Abandoned" property. If the Tenant asks the Landlord within 10 days of the eviction, the landlord must store the property for 30 days, but at the expense of the tenant. If the Tenant does NOT ask within the 10 day period OR the property is left for more then 30 days after the Tenant made a request to recover the property, the personal property becomes the property of the landlord NOT the Tenant.
This is all coming out of Philadelphia, no real pressure from the rest of the State, but from Philadelphia and its suburbs.
It is Tuesday
(93 posts)Can she retain you, pro-bono to help her with her case?
happyslug
(14,779 posts)Torchthewitch lives in a Philly suburb, I work in Johnstown, five to six hours away one way. There is no way I can help her. She has to go to her local Legal Aid Office and see what they can do. If she is behind in rent, there is NOT much that can be done for Pennsylvania has a rule that if rent is due and can NOT be paid, habitability of the rental unit is not considered. It is a harsh rule, but it is the law in Pennsylvania.
It is Tuesday
(93 posts)I think she did mention that she did pay her rent for the month of March.
happyslug
(14,779 posts)The problem is, it looks like she does NOT have the money to pay the rent. That is the fatal problem and one no attorney can work around till she gets the money. This state has a harsh view to tenant who can not pay their rent. I do NOT know anything about her case, but what she said on this thread, but it sounds like one of a lack of money and in Pennsylvania that can be fatal
cwydro
(51,308 posts)in February and she said most of it was for the rent. That would seem she was current.
Then on March 31, she asks again?
Smh.
Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)she thought the landlord would let her stay. Without a job paying future rent is impossible, much less back rent. Nor is staying in a place when she's calling the cops on the landlord even feasible or healthy.
Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)All the other components of this story are side issues, relevant of course to her and to her mental health, but not to the question of staying in the unit without paying rent.
I am badly worried about TTW, but I don't know what to do. Not bathing and some of the other things she has written seem like she needs more help than just the rent, or maybe to get out of a situation which is too much stress to handle.
I think perhaps going to talk to some one at a charity society so that they can hook her up with additional services is important.
I don't think TTW is lying - I think she does not understand the system and is too stressed to understand and interact properly with people who are trying to help her. But the level of stress she appears to be recounting is so high that advice to get a job right now is not very practical perhaps.
The best advice she has been given here I think is to look for the motel rental unit by the week that takes pets and to talk to someone at a Catholic Charity about her entire situation, including the stress and the problems with functioning on a day by day basis. But I am not sure that TTW could handle the stress of the rental and the insecurity of that either, and I am not sure she can act on this advice.
I cannot believe that staying in this house when she is calling the cops on the landlady is good for someone in her situation. It wouldn't be good for anyone, but definitely it is not helping her. Yet I believe that she is so stressed that the thought of trying to organize herself to move out is overwhelming.
I believe she should contact her local county MH/DS office, attempt to explain the situation, and ask for help. The directory is here:
http://www.mhdspa.org/Pages/Local-Contacts.aspx
The issue is not so much the rotten landlord as the not sleeping, not eating, not bathing, and not comprehending what is going on in court and what the Legal Aid workers are trying to tell her. I think temporary disability, counseling and some services are needed to get her into a more stable situation so that she can work and rebuild her life.
To all of that. Stress does terrible things to people, and it is really, really hard to function when the world is against you. Some of the posters here need to have some empathy. The justice system is not on her side--you need money to even attempt to help yourself. If you don't understand the intricacies of the system, it is so easy to find yourself mired in a tangle of laws and regulations that make no sense and only make things worse. It is a seriously fucked up world out there, and I can't imagine trying to deal with all of that at once. Overwhelming doesn't begin to cover it.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)So, she was correct. The judge did not have to listen to her, and Pennsylvania's rules are harsh.
Perhaps we can help her drum up enough help to allow a motel rental that will accept her dog, and a way to get her belongings into storage. Salvation Army might be able to help with that.
In any event, it sounds as if (by your information) the procedure will take 10-20 days, not the four that is so fearsome.
Lex
(34,108 posts)PasadenaTrudy
(3,998 posts)Some of us are just more fragile than others and the weight of the world can be too much
REP
(21,691 posts)Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)But if she doesn't file an appeal, she is going to be evicted. But I don't see what good an appeal will do, because to stay she will have to pay the rent each month. Also she has to pay at least one month's rent to file an appeal.
REP
(21,691 posts)I agree; appealing is pointless as she has lacked the ability to pay for months. Withholding rent because of maintenance issues doesnt work as a defense against eviction anywhere as far as I know, and the real issue is the inability to pay.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)This poster was begging for help a good six weeks ago. She says she's been in an uninhabitable place for some time now, although the exact length of time has never been stated. I'm guessing she somehow lives in a place where there are no other rental units available whatsoever, which is, quite frankly, hard to believe. I can't quite figure out why in all this time she hasn't moved out, hasn't found another place to live. I can't quite figure out why she is desperate to stay in a place that isn't quite fit for human habitation, according to her.
She has also said that her dog, Yoshi, is liable to attack and do severe damage to unwanted intruders. She seems to think that's okay, that she won't be subject to any kind of legal sanctions if that occurs. I don't believe that there is a blanket amnesty for a vicious dog, just because some stranger intrudes on the property. Vicious dogs need to be restrained. They don't get a free pass at harming humans.
Is there anything else I'm missing?
Oh, yes. She set up a paypal account back in February. Or did she? What did she use the money for? To pay her rent? In which case, why is her landlady suing to get her out of there? All of her claims about not being able to get inspectors to check out the horrendous conditions somehow don't ring true.
She works nights and weekends and that's why she has no friends. Really? I've worked nights and weekends almost all of my working life, and I was able to maintain friendships, despite the inconvenient hours. Why can't TorchTheWitch? None of her family will offer her so much as a couch to sleep on, but has she asked? Is it possible that the vicious dog is an issue?
I suppose this post will be hid by jury, but I still stand by it.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)But I will gently say that it is unhelpful at this point, as some others posted here also are. Some people will step forward to help with open hands and hearts. Some people will try to make the person justify the situation or be suspicious. The reaction is a litmus test, of sorts.
Let's hope that any of us, in an overwhelming situation, will encounter calm and useful helpers. Desperation can happen to anyone.
phil89
(1,043 posts)The whole story is suspicious and this is the second instance of cyber begging for this person. She actively finds elaborate, odd reasons that nothing other than receiving cash will help.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Blew off legal aide because they weren't nice enough? What truly desperate person does that?
It's clear she wants cash, and unclear she used last infusion for rent. Sad she wasted a whole year not trying to get a job or move out, but that is her own doing. She needs more help than money at this point, but no one can force her to take it.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)And thank you for the opportunity to provide my perspective, from my system of values and moral teaching.
Those who follow the teachings of Christianity, Buddhism, and the other traditions of moral values believe in the antithesis of suspicion when meeting someone exhibiting crisis and asking for help. Indeed, the instruction is to deal with the person with compassion, generosity, and common humanity -- indeed, generosity to the point of personal sacrifice.
The fear of being scammed is rooted in Calvinism, and I will have nothing to do with a moral system that assigns relative "worth" to those in need. It is the system that brought forth teabaggery and hoarding of government resources/assets.
If someone appears to me in crisis or need, if I can I will help him/her. No questions to determine worthy-ness asked, no fear of being scammed. What's required of me is my compassion and generosity, not my judgment or suspicion. I fully believe in the concept of "grace" -- which is by definition "unmerited favor".
REP
(21,691 posts)I don't want to be part of having her stay in a dangerous, expensive apartment she cannot possibly pay for and will constantly be in a state of crisis over as she is behind in rent and cannot pay the back rent, let alone the current rent. I will not help anyone dig their own grave.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)...and I believe her best bet is to move on. That's not what I was addressing. I'm just saying that I'm not ever, ever, going to work myself up over whether a person in need is a scammer. It's not my job to punish a needy person, or judge him/her. My job is to be compassionate and as helpful as I can be.
Her troubles could befall any of us. Anyone!
Better pay forward, for that time.
Demit
(11,238 posts)Situations don't happen all of a sudden. Or at least this one didn't. It was a long time coming.
I am compassionate because I saw my situation coming & let it come, so I know what it feels like to feel helpless against the oncoming train, but that doesn't make it everyone else's fault. The OP saw the house deteriorate and yet she stayed. She saw her savings dwindle and yet she stayed. She stopped paying rent because she was out of money and still she didn't act. She let it happen. I sympathize, but. She's played out the string, and now she has to face it.
We all do. We all have to face our situations, whatever they are, and adapt to our changed circumstances, when it's no longer possible to pretend we can keep things the same as they used to be.
phil89
(1,043 posts)If it is, she's not in need and you aren't denying anyone.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)and that's a mindset that seems irregular to you, apparently. You look with suspicion, and I won't do that.
phil89
(1,043 posts)Or not and that does seem irregular to me, but to each their own.
JI7
(89,260 posts)any money people give should best be used for a new place to stay. she said she still doesn't have a job but that is true of the current situation also.
at least in a new place she could try to get one that costs less and is in better condition so she can focus on finding a job instead of legal battles with landlord which doesn't seem to be going anywhere.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)phil89
(1,043 posts)is rooted in rational thinking and an acceptance that some people are scammers. The story is absurd, it doesn't make any sense at all, and the poster is working overtime to avoid doing anything to better the situation. I certainly don't look to ancient religions based on human sacrifice to determine how to treat people. Calvinism? Give me a break not everyone takes their cues from religions.
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)but I hope that hands on help can be found in this situation. I know what it is like to be so overwhelmed that the simplest of tasks seem impossible to complete and leave one paralyzed. I was lucky enough to have family that came in and did paperwork and made necessary phone calls for me when I could not do it after my husband passed. I have always been such a competent take charge person that I was taken aback at how I completely fell apart and was not able to do even small tasks that I would have done before without a thought.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Rent help in Pittsburgh.
Rental assistance is available for Pittsburgh and Allegheny County residents. A number of agencies, churches, non-profits, and government programs focus on providing low income housing and rent help to qualified seniors, the disabled and low income and struggling families in the region.
Information is provided below on who to call and where to apply in Pittsburgh for rental assistance. Many of the agencies and programs listed have limited funding, and they will have their own separate application process, but call and ask for help. Even if the agency cant provide you or your family with emergency or ongoing rental assistance, they can usually refer you to another service that can help. Other resources may include the federal government or state of Pennsylvania rent assistance programs and resources.
Pittsburgh Presbyterian Lazarus (412-323-1400) can offer at most $250 in one time assistance to help with rental evictions, pay utility bills, and even such expenses as medical bills.
Careline from Catholic Charities is an option for emergency assistance. The main office is at 212 9th Street in Pittsburgh, PA. Call 412-456-6999. Some of the financial assistance offered can help during a short term hardship or emergency, and can, in limited circumstances, be used for housing and/or rent.
Allegheny Churches have formed a partnership known as the Allegheny Valley Association. The main office is in Natrona Heights. Dial 724-226-0606. Residents of East Deer, Brackenridge, Tarentum, , Fawn, Frazier, Harrison, Lower Burrell, Verona, New Kensington, or Arnold can apply for help. A wide variety of bills and expenses can be paid for, including rent, security deposits, food, and more.
Allegheny County Bureau of Hunger and Housing Services (phone (412) 350-4354) runs a homeless assistance program and also provides rental assistance for Allegheny county low income residents.
If you are on the verge of being evicted and therefore homeless, then the North Hills Community Outreach may be an option for you. The non-profit can provide emergency financial assistance for families or individuals who have received an eviction notice, and the goal is to prevent homelessness. Call the Allston Park agency at 412-487-6316.
Sheldon Cooper
(3,724 posts)The Pittsburgh info really won't mean much to her. although it was nice of you to put that all together.
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)I've only got a few days left to appeal or pay the judgment. Actually, if I pay the judgment it has to be in the slumlord's hand by the day it's due.
Oh holy shit, I need to talk to an attorney. I still don't know exactly on what day that 10 day count down started. The judge made the judgment on the 24th, it was mailed on the 25th and I got it in the mail on Saturday, the 28th. Then it was Monday that I found out what the damn judgment even meant. That asshole clerk at the district court told me the 10 days started from the date of the judgment, but how was I to know anything about it until I got it in the mail??? I still don't know if the 10 days started on the 24th when he made it or the 25th when it got mailed.
Fuck, fuck, fuck! Now what the hell do I do???
Ok, had a few deep breaths, done with the freaking out now. I have to find out for sure what's going on here. I can't trust what that asshole clerk told me since she didn't have a blithering clue about anything the last time I talked to her. She's rude as hell as well just as a matter of course. She's the nincompoop who actually blithely told me that the judge is biased in favor of landlords! And she said it proudly!
So, I need to talk to one of the real attorneys I asked advice from before and see if they can just explain for certain how much time I have to do what. And like an idiot never bookmarked any of them, so now I have to find them all over again.
No, I've not slept. I tossed and turned for a few hours and gave up once the sun started peeking.
Omaha Steve
(99,682 posts)Last edited Wed Apr 1, 2015, 11:46 AM - Edit history (1)
Don't pay the landlord a dime. They can't get blood out of a turnip. So you owe a dept you can't pay. No big deal. It happens.
Use your donations for a different place. We have to get you out of the cycle your in.
You had the same problems with PayPal not being able to get your $ to you any faster than gofundme. Gofundme me gets 7.9% + .30 cents per donation. DUers know how much we raise for you on the other hand. Right now that is hurting your fund raising effort here.
How was the $ raised by DU used last time? We never got any kind of a total even though we asked. We know it was well over $1,000.
What kind of job skills do you have? What are you willing to do? Without a job you will continually be at risk to lose your place to live.
Help us help you.
OS
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)maybe some underlying biochemical issues, isolation.
My heart goes out to this woman and her furbaby
but she doesn't seem capable of cutting out the unnecessary drama swirling around her right now and focusing on the next NECESSARY STEP.
I've been in denial about important stuff. The energy it takes to keep on the same unworkable course is tremendous.
So much good happens once you finally make up your mind to stop and change direction.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)There's a ton of good advice on this thread.
It seems the OP simply wants the money and no advice.
Sorry, but that's the way I see it.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)to stay.
I kept more or less silent in the thread from weeks ago and this one but it's obvious you need some tough love right now.
MOVE OUT AND START PREPARING TO DO IT.
Also, check your local library for access to computers you can use in case you can't connect using your own for a while.
THAT IS IMPORTANT. Do it today. Find out where you can get internet access at a library and try it so you know how to do it.
...
Let go of your misconception that you can somehow make things work by staying where you are.
You apparently haven't paid rent, nor put any into an escrow account. You will have to move out. No attorney can help you.
Any money raised for your benefit needs to go towards temporary housing/rent somewhere else.
So just accept you need to move out by the end of this week. Do that and other things will follow. The energy you are using to fight the inevitable is hurting you.
You don't need an attorney, you don't need to pay your landlord.
You need to start contacting all the numbers offered to you in this thread, open the gofundme page for yourself and start boxing up your stuff- weeding out what you can sell, what you can discard, what you need.
And find out where your closest library is where you can get an internet access.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)Jenny Red Eye
(53 posts)are doing a disservice to a long time member of this site.
I feel that doubters should stay out of this thread.
The reason?
We are all adults capable of doing our own due diligence and reaching our own reasoned conclusions concerning the OP.
With that in mind, we will all use are own beliefs and conclusions to, as progressives, either err on the side of compassion, or not.
Expressing disbelief of the OP on a progressive website is not the way to go, in my opinion.
Those whom do not believe the OP have the ignore or hide thread option. People can make up their own minds, and negative and disbelieving comments in this thread have the possibility of doing more harm than good.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Your opinion is certainly well and good.
Those of us who are skeptical are not telling anyone else what to do. We're simply discussing the fact that this is the second time in as many months that the OP has asked for $2000.
We "doubters" have the right to post in any thread we choose.
I know of DUers who have been burned in the past in these type posts. I also have a longtime friend with a good heart, who was taken for quite a bit of money donating to someone online, despite my advice not to. I hate scammers. Perhaps the OP is not a scammer, but there are a lot of things that don't add up here.
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)You may not know this, but scams aren't only pulled by people who have just turned up out of the blue.
I've seen some pretty outrageous stuff perpetrated by "long time members" of other sites as well. Who knows why... But lots of people who believed in these "long time members" were hurt.
Also, as I stated up above, there is absolutely nothing wrong with skepticism and doubt.
At some point, people who help want to see PROGRESS. When there doesn't appear to be any progress, I think it's perfectly acceptable to be doubtful, especially when the story just gets more and more weird.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)CreekDog
(46,192 posts)whatever she says about DU, well...
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Did they break the TOS or community standards?? They expressed their opinion, and theyre allowed to do that!
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)CreekDog
(46,192 posts)ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)phil89
(1,043 posts)Is a good thing. You should always be skeptical of people begging for money online. Posting history and length of membership have nothing to do with whether a persons claims are true. If you notice the effort put in to not being able to do anything or follow suggestions, it seems fishy. It's a classic "yes but" game.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)OP needs calm at this point. Good for you.
Jenny Red Eye
(53 posts)I agree.
Demit
(11,238 posts)People are pointing out that things are not ringing true in this situation as it is being described.
When people ask polite questionsWhat was the reason the boss fired her and why is that the direct fault of the landlord? Has she asked directly for some concrete, short-term help from her brothers & sister?the OP doesn't give a straight answer.
When people give concrete advice on how to get out of the situation (Omaha Steve and others have been doing yeoman work) the OP is unresponsive and gets vague again and lapses into another garbled & contradictory recital of the situation.
There are people trying to helpsince last night!but the OP is not listening. Maybe she is experiencing some kind of emotional event that makes her unable to move forward. I understand letting someone vent, but if she wants to get out of this predicament then she needs to stop venting and start taking what has been some very good, very sympathetic advice.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)There is too much "yes, but" in this thread from the OP.
Several DUers have posted enormously helpful information and kudos to them!
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)spare us the lectures.
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840high
(17,196 posts)do with good advice.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)In my area, when it comes to evictions, I have to have every single i dotted and t crossed. Renters have rights and the court system here respects those rights. Any judge around here who acted in the manner you are describing wouldn't last. Actions like the ones you describe cost the courts huge amounts of time and money with repeat visits and civil suits. I am terribly sorry about what you are going through. I think it is interesting that the courts in Florida seem to be more equitable in this area than courts in Pennsylvania. When it comes to non-payment these issues are normally very cut and dry.
AMAR0113
(5 posts)Does anyone know or is very close to TorchTheWitch that would be able to talk her into giving them her brother(s) or sister(s) email address? Maybe someone can talk to them on her behalf and tell them how much she is in dire need of help. Since her family doesn't seem to be listening to her and she has no friends to talk to them for her.
MineralMan
(146,324 posts)put up a GoFundMe page, and get out of that lousy place. The landlord will never fix it up and will always be a pain to deal with. I can't think of any reason to stick around there. Let DUers help you out as they see fit and be prepared to leave.
I see no other path out of your dilemma. I'd use your remaining time to prepare to leave and then leave.
phil89
(1,043 posts)About 20 paragraphs explaining Why every suggestion is impossible. This sounds fishy to me. Claiming your landlord got you fired because your boss was tired of housing problems? Absurd. And didn't you have a gofundme set up? I hope people think before blindly accepting these manic claims.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)admit that I am more than a little skeptical of the claims stated.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)The sort of problem that is not being named also creates dysfunction in a person's life and can and should also be addressed.
From a distance it's impossible to know this situation and it's complexities.
This person's best chance for meaningful help seems to be through a professional social worker who can advise and direct the soon to be evicted to meaningful assistance...for whatever problems are present and pending.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)call for money.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)You and I, deprived of history and current details really can't know beyond a doubt what's going on.
BUT...referral to a social worker who can get the facts and sort out the nature of the problem that exists can set the person on a plan to deal with it.
I have no reason to doubt or believe that this could be housing or emotional needs or financial need or really some mixture of several or all of those...whatever it is, some help getting aimed at the correct service seems in order
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)Sorry, but I've been on the phone with so many people getting information since 9 a.m. and I swear my ears are bleeding along with what little is left of my brain.
It took ages to find any attorneys that dealt with landlord/tenant issues in the area that were actually available to talk to, but I finally found three. These were different ones than the ones I talked to before just because I never bookmarked them and couldn't find them again. I also talked to someone in legal aid again.
All of them said to appeal - no question. All were amazed and appalled by the behavior of the district judge and never heard of anything like that happening before (aren't I just so lucky to get the biggest Republican asshole judge in creation) especially considering it was a "house falling down" situation that's so bad that the township inspector is making her fix everything by X amount of time. One said that because I'm low income I might not have to pay anything more to file the appeal than that $285.50 filing fee. This bit got confusing so I called the clerk at the county court again and talked to a supervisor that was helpful.
Though I'd have to pay the $285.50 filing fee regardless there's some provision or law for low income people where they may not have to also put up the amount of the judgment - that almost $2000 judgment ($1905 and change I think) which is apparently like collateral I guess if you lose the appeal and then that money goes to the landlord. Once I come in to file an appeal I get a pamphlet they have for us low income folks and someone there decides if I have to pay all the amount of the judgment, part of it or none of it. She said since I only have tomorrow and Monday (yes! because of the court being closed Friday for the holiday I get to have Monday as another day to file!) that I should come in with all of the money equaling the judgment amount since I won't have any more days left to come back again in case whoever makes this decision decides that I have to pay all or some of it in order to file at all. I can't go to the court tomorrow because I have to get the tires on the car fixed first or I'm afraid I won't make it, so it's going to have to be Monday - the last day I have.
Back to the attorneys again... legal aid (when I called before) was actually right that appealing may be a lot cheaper than paying the landlord the judgment, and if I do decide to pay the landlord the judgment it puts me right back to the beginning again though they didn't say anything about this law or whatever it is for low income people.
I have no idea who makes the decision about what if anything I'd need to pay concerning the judgment amount or what they base it on. For all I know it could be some jerk making these decisions willy nilly. They just keep telling me to bring the whole judgment amount (cash only) just in case I end up having to pay any of it or all of it to file the appeal. This seems nuts to me, but that's how they do it.
The problem I now have is gofundme because you can't get the money donated for 5 to 7 business days which is far too late. I don't know if you can get it any faster like with paypal with giving them banking info and so forth. Does anyone know? If I end up having to pay all or part of the judgment amount to even be able to file an appeal at all if I don't have the money in hand when I go to file the appeal for that then I end up screwed and with no time left to do anything. Has anyone here actually used gofundme and is there a way to get the money faster like paypal does?
After not being able to sleep for two nights in a row again I'm just about going to slide right under my desk.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Many of us will not donate any other way. If you have a GoFundMe set up please link to it.
Bay Boy
(1,689 posts)If so, why?
metalbot
(1,058 posts)...but if you had set up a gofundme yesterday, it would be 4 to 6 days rather than 5 to 7. If you wait until next week to set up a gofundme, it will still be 5 to 7 days then.
Your situation is very bad. It will not be magically better next week.
Even if someone were to get you enough money to cover your appeal, you will owe another $1200 in 30 days, and you are unemployed with no reliable transportation. Add to that the fact that even if you get an appeal, you may not win, and you'll be so stressed out by the appeal process, you are going to have a hard time working. You are on an incredibly slippery slope that is going to get progressively worse here.
How about we not wait for a post that says "OMG, I'm being evicted right now" which is followed up with "I need money for a hotel, but it's going to take 5 to 7 days to get money through gofundme. Is there any way to get money faster?"
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)find out where the nearest library is with computer access, get boxes and start packing.
And as for Yoshi here is the website for an Akita rescue group. They will help you find a temporary foster home for Yoshi until you have another place to live and job:
http://www.bigeastakitarescue.net/
http://akita.rescueshelter.com/Pennsylvania
You aren't getting the money for an appeal. It wouldn't work cause you haven't paid your damn rent and don't have it in escrow.
No attorney or legal aid can magically produce that back rent for you and no law is going to retroactively provide that back rent for you.
It doesn't matter if it's a broken down, uninhabitable dump. It doesn't matter if you put your own money into fixing something.
YOU HAVEN'T PAID RENT.
seveneyes
(4,631 posts)For about 10 bucks you can get a few cans of "flat fix" to spray into the tires to stop the slow leaks.
Works every time.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Your current living situation is untenable. Stop throwing good money after bad.
Help us help you. I hope this time you use the money from DU to find a place that is comfortable and affordable. This constant drama cannot be good for you on any level and it's no way to live.
Best regards for a better outcome this time.
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Omaha Steve
(99,682 posts)You would just be pushing the trouble down the road for another month and coming back in an ongoing cycle. Read over the many good ideas about sharing rent with somebody that already has a place etc.
Several people didn't give last time because of unanswered questions, no gofundme, etc.
Tough love. Help us help you.
I'm going to a ball game and will be back in 5 or so hours.
OS
Omaha Steve
(99,682 posts)(NU beat UNO in an extra inning: http://www.omaha.com/sports/huskers-slip-past-mavs-in-innings/article_fe47836c-d8d8-11e4-b662-3b3891c76fe1.html)
I can't get through all the mail and respond tonight. I'm babysitting in the morning. I'll be posting on this sometime tomorrow.
OS
cwydro
(51,308 posts)and I'd be interested to know your thoughts at this point.
Omaha Steve
(99,682 posts)Last Christmas Eve Marta and I donated to 10 different individuals that sent a request for $ after this post: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025981250
Every one of them sent a personal thank you.
TorchTheWitch didn't bother to thank anyone individually after her request for $ in February. Perhaps she was too involved to have the time, unlike others that seemed more grateful.
We didn't hear from her about the $ that were raised and used after several requests for an update. In fact we didn't hear from her until over a month later to ask for more $, again at the very last minute. Still no gofundme account etc.
For over four weeks not a word. She certainly didn't take any advice from people that gave $. It makes it hard to come back to them again for more $.
She has never replied to me personally in public or private when I have asked questions. Red flag?
Any help at this point from several DUers comes with strings. No $ to help with an appeal or to stay in slum conditions. There are people with $ and a place to stay short term. She will need a photo ID and a paper trail of what she has said is going on in her life.
Maybe now she will finally answer some questions she has never answered before?
And last her PayPay account is on a fraud watch. I wonder why? Feel free to call PayPal and ask.
OS
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Very sad, but DUers who gave are good people.
It appears the OP is not.
The fraud watch makes me wonder if she is doing this elsewhere as well.
Perhaps those with direct experience should contact PayPal.
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)And last her PayPay account is on a fraud watch. I wonder why?
holy shit
Rocket_Scientist65
(30 posts)implied warranty of habitability.....It's universal almost everywhere and gives the tenants major rights when it comes to repairs. This is PA law: http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/free-books/renters-rights-book/chapter7-2.html Broken plumbing, burst hot water heaters and ceilings about to come down ALL fall under "major" repairs since these issues directly affect habitability. An emergency like a burst hot water heater would have to be dealt with pretty much immediately (like with-in 24 hours if I read the other links correctly that I googled)..... http://www.tenant.net/Other_Areas/Penn/harris/pa-part2.html
As long as you give WRITTEN notice to the landlord a tenant has the right to "withhold rent or repair and deduct". You don't wait a week to get a hot water heater fixed. If it ain't fixed in a day, you give written notice to the landlord that you're going to 1) withhold rent until it is or 2) deduct REASONABLE cost of repairs from the rent and take care of it yourself....and have all paperwork and receipts available! And no judge is going to side with the landlord if you've got documentation proving habitability of the unit is compromised. The law was even changed in recent years so that landlords could not use the withholding of rent due to needed habitability repairs as grounds for eviction.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Oh.
My.
God.
I am seriously speechless
herding cats
(19,566 posts)So they were a stripper back in what, 2006ish? What, exactly, does this have to do with anything now?
cwydro
(51,308 posts)There is an entirely different persona than being presented here.
I found it relevant that the OP would say she would "wipe her ass" with $10. Of you don't, that's fine.
herding cats
(19,566 posts)From what I could tell it was 9 years ago or so ago. I'm not sure since I couldn't find any timestamps, but that would fit with the topic of discussion pretty close. A lot can change in that length of time. I know it has in my life.
I don't see it as relevant to this discussion. If anything it just looked mean to me.
I'm not trying to detract from some of the honest questions the folks here have, but I don't think your contribution of that post means anything in regards to this situation.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)to your opinion.
Alert if you want.
What I find mean is that it appears this OP has taken advantage of the goodness of DUers.
herding cats
(19,566 posts)I just don't understand why you posted that the way you did. So, I asked. You replied, and we don't agree in this instance. Such is life on a discussion board. I'm ok with that.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)with other DUers. I'm not the only one concerned.
IF the OP is taking advantage, it can hurt a future request for money from someone who may legitimately need it.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)tammywammy
(26,582 posts)Demit
(11,238 posts)It was a way of boasting that she made a lot of money as a stripper, so winning $10 from the DUer on that thread who wanted to make a bet with her wouldn't impress her.
But I agree, the TTW persona posting throughout that thread is articulate, forms her thoughts logically, and backs up assertions with facts. Maybe nine years of meds has deteriorated her thought processes. Maybeis it possible that it's a different person altogether? Someone else has been using TTW's account?
Never thought of that.
But yes, that person sounded self assured and seemed to have some knowledge of the law.
The OP has now a persona of a naïve, innocent victim who has been taken advantage of.
It doesn't jibe.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Except now she's a (unemployed) bartender.
It's entirely plausible she's not a stripper any more though. I'd guess there's the inevitability of time that would keep that kind of career to a few years when a young woman is well, young.
She always had family issues. IIRC, (and I may be wrong - there was another stripper who posted here on DU).
pintobean
(18,101 posts)a much more pleasant person. You're not confusing the two.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)she makes mention of being a paralegal at one time.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)I guess I don't remember much about TTW and the other stripper here other than they were/are firm advocates of female agency in regards to what I believe are exploitative careers like stripping (and no I'm NOT trying to derail this thread by getting sidetracked into a convo about sex workers!)
And they were both on the outs with their family - a trivial detail that somehow resonated with me as being really sad.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Bit if she were indeed a paralegal at one time - why the naïveté in regard to the law?
Just so many questions here.
Ellipsis
(9,124 posts)pipi_k
(21,020 posts)I just sent $1.00 and it went through.
Omaha Steve
(99,682 posts)There is more to be coming out about this soon. But let's give her a chance to reply to this directly first.
https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/helpcenter/helphub/home/?action=callus#
Call us: 1-888-221-1161
Our service hours:
4:00 AM to 10:00 PM Pacific Time Monday through Friday
6:00 AM to 8:00 PM Pacific Time Saturday and Sunday
Please note that hours of operation may vary on holidays
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Go figure.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)over her Paypal account in the last day or so. Remember what those assholes did to Andy who actually had pancreatic cancer? They prevented him from getting money for hospital treatments.
All it would take is a few of the assholes to donate a dollar and then contact Paypal and claim it's fraud.
herding cats
(19,566 posts)Could it be something like some people donating a dollar and then filing a complaint?
The reason I'm asking is, I was called to a jury about someone here linking to a conversation going on over at that "hate on DU" site and it appears they're very much involved in this topic.
I'm not attempting to refute your concerns, they appear honest and not irrational at all, and I understand your wanting clarification. I'm just curious if you know more about what causes a PayPal account to be reviewed for fraud? I googled it before bothering you and couldn't find anything conclusive.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)Yes, it starts with a small donation and then a "concerned customer" calls customer service and Wham.
herding cats
(19,566 posts)I looked around the internet but there's nothing out there saying so one way or the other. At least not that I saw.
I looked at the thread which was linked in the post I juried. The Ugliness was off the hook. Which made me suspicious when I saw OS post about the fraud watch.
Thanks for the info!
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)after finding out about the fraud watch just to see if it would go through or if the account might be closed.
Apparently it went through.
After finding out about the fraud watch I went back to Paypal and asked for a cancellation of the transfer but did not file a fraud claim.
I received an email from Paypal stating that if the transfer has already gone through, I can request a refund from the other party.
I'm thinking that asking the OP for the dollar back might be sort of petty, yet OTOH, it bothers me to think that Paypal might see my very small donation as being part of whatever fraud they might be looking for in TTW's account.
tblue37
(65,458 posts)held up for some time because some RWers provoked a PayPal fraud watch on it. IOW, that in itself is not evidence of actual fraud. I have no opinion either way on this particular case. I just remember what happened with Andy's PayPal donations.
Hekate
(90,758 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)But we also select the causes in which we believe the hours of our lives (which is what wages are) will provide effective help.
The exchange rate for an hour of my life is about $18. That is the price I sell them for. When preconditions of help are in fact the root causes of the problem (a: I won't move and b: I won't adopt out my pet), donors aren't helping. At worst, they could be considered enabling.
I think a better way to help is to donate to the local no-kill shelter so that people are more willing to make necessary choices to avoid homelessness.
Demit
(11,238 posts)Time to close out this chapter of your life and go start the next one. Good luck.
dissentient
(861 posts)appeal, not in a place described as barely habitable, and with the landlord from hell.
Time to move out of that dump and hell hole. $1250 dollars a month rent, for a single person, and it is not in Los Angeles, San Francisco, or California, or New York, or some other place normally really expensive? Wow. It is hard to believe that place is a dump and not worthy of human habitation, when they charge that much.
Have you looked in Craig's list under "shared housing?" You can find many really cheap places that way, where people are offering to rent a room in a house or apartment, and with a little work, even some places will allow a pet like a dog. I promise there are rooms being offered for rent that are much cheaper than $1250 dollars a month.
But let's say you stay there, and ignore all the advice, and duers bail you out again. Then what will you do in a month's time, when the rent comes due once again? Come back to DU, and then tell another story about your desperate situation? Eventually, that well will dry up.
sunnystarr
(2,638 posts)Will it be the same next month?
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I truly now believe this is a scam.
How utterly horrid to take advantage of the goodheartedness of DUers.
I am sickened.
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)You need to find out exactly when you will have to get out. From reading this thread it could be another 25 days before they throw you out.
Contact Catholic Charities and the other charitable organizations specifically mentioned in this thread.
Get your car fixed, you said someone will do it at no cost, so there's no excuse to not get that done.
Find a place for your dog. I have pets and I know how hard it'll be to be separated, but having a large dog like that will diminish the number of places you can move to.
Look on Craigslist for a room to rent.
If you don't have a gofundme set up, set it up now.
Take whatever donations you get to put down a deposit on another place.
Keep looking for a job, but the charitable organizations should be able to help you out.
And at this point you might as well look for a place to live that had more job opportunities. You're going to have to move, might as be somewhere you can get a job.
Since you are behind on rent AND haven't put that aside in an escrow account, there's no hope in staying there unless you get enough to cover all the arrears. Plus you'll stil live in a crap place. Move on.
Stop thinking you're going to stay there. You need to accept the reality of this situation and act accordingly. Start packing.
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NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)1. Get your Go Fund Me page set up.
2. Forget about spending money on the appeal. Start packing.
3. Use whatever money you get to find new housing. If necessary, stay in a pet-friendly hotel for a few days while you're looking.
4. Look seriously for a job. DU is not likely to pay your rent every month.
5. When people who have donated or are thinking about donating ask how the money will be spent, do them the courtesy of answering instead of rehashing the same story over and over again.
6. I strongly suggest some counseling. You have obviously been under a lot of stress, and you are frankly making some poor decisions.
Good luck to you.
PersonNumber503602
(1,134 posts)I'm not sure if anyone suggested this, but you might seriously consider trying to find a cheap room to rent with any money you may have donated to you. I am not sure of the rental prices in your area, but if you can find something for $450 - $500/mo, that would give you some breathing room to get things going in a positive direction. Having a dog will likely make that a little bit more difficult, but I'm sure you'd be able to find one where pets are cool (a house with dogs already) I'm assuming you'd also have some furniture that will be need to be put in storage. As shitty as it might be, you might consider trying to sell some of it off. Not only will that help you with cash, but it would reduce your overall costs for moving it and storage. The furniture is probably the thing that I would find the most difficult if I was in your situation, because storage and moving it can be expensive. Whereas if you didn't have to deal with that, then you and your dog could just move into a cheap furnished room w/ utilities, TV and internet, and be fine for a few months with just a couple thousand dollars. It would be tight, but would give room to breathe.
Craigslists is usually a good place to find rooms for rent. I've done it before when I moved to a new city and needed a place to stay while looking for a more permanent situation (I hate rushing into long-term leases) If you do look into that, you'll need to move quickly because even less formal arrangements can take time to get organized.
Just some thoughts. Disregard if none of that fits into your plans or situation.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)If you have taken advantage of the goodness of DU, then you should be ashamed to the depths of your soul.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)And then he died.
Here's the thing, no one is holding a fucking gun to my head, telling me to "donate or else."
I have watched this turn very ugly over the last day and am reminded in so many ways of what happened to Andy. It's disgusting, whether I believe TTW's story in total or not. It can be as simple as trashing the thread or skipping over it. No one is demanding that you donate. No one demanded donations for Andy. Yet people spewed the exact same accusations at him and about him. It remains one of the darkest events in DU's history for me.
This has become sick.
I don't tell the vet on the street corner that he NEEDS to answer questions as a precursor to me handing him a $20. That's akin to saying someone on an EBT account NEEDS to dress like he/she needs help. I do it because I WANT to, and I certainly don't NEED a contingent of DUers doing crazy detective work on another DUer (I mean really...who the shit cares about what TTW did for a living a fucking decade ago?).
Seriously, people, take a break, take a breath and walk away if you have an issue. Jeebus.
Have a nice day DU,
Laura
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Exactly. I was fairly shocked when I saw a poster here reference his time in the police dept. when asked how he found certain information out. It's really bordering creepy to think someone's privacy may have been invaded because they didn't thank someone for a donation.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)and downright nasty is nuts. And the backpedaling from "concern trolling..." They can simply snap their wallets shut if they are so worried.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I thought they were relevant.
Feel free to alert. I'll happily take the hide.
I think the OP has been dishonest. I could be wrong, but there are so many discrepancies in this tale - as well as asking for the $2000 in as many months.
Many of us are legitimately concerned.
As has been stated in another post, the OP's paypal account is on fraud watch. I find that to be of concern even without the other red flags.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)I face things head on. Seeing as it's happened before (a DUer's PayPal account being put on fraud watch), I see it more as someone kicking someone who is already down. Laughing and taunting and dredging up a person's work history doesn't really strike me as concern as much as it strikes me as cruel.
Those who choose to donate, can. Freely. Those who don't, don't have to. I appreciate the very valid tough love comments some have posted here. Those aren't the ones that are troubling.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)that I had anything to do with that, you're wrong.
I wouldn't have a clue how to do something like that. I don't even have a paypal account.
I don't alert either.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)and it's (PayPal fraud checks) not an indicator of anything much to me, especially where PayPal is concerned. My clients pay me through PayPal, and the platform can be infuriating as heck.
Sometimes, hoof beats really ARE just horses and not zebras.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Last edited Thu Apr 2, 2015, 09:01 PM - Edit history (1)
I did not know that paypal accounts could be compromised.
I apologize for misinterpreting your post.
Edited because of auto correct that was actually HILARIOUS.
Omaha Steve
(99,682 posts)YOU must have missed that.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)you think I care about what her occupation was, or is.
I've had friends from all walks of life. I've had various jobs as well. Never would I judge a person on their job (or lack thereof)>
My point (and I should have made it clearer I can see now) is that the person posting did not seem ANYTHING like the OP.
I did not make it clear, and I'm sorry for that.
In a thread this large, no one will ever see this lol.
To be sure I posted none of the job, life, etc info that has come up today. There are a lot of private notes flying around.
Several DUers were willing to put up the $ for a room, moving & or storing her stuff if necessary, and some seed cash.
They just want to be assured they aren't being scammed after things that started popping up yesterday.
I gave her the chance to clear her name today. As far as I know as of now, she hasn't tried to do so. It has been 24 hours since her last post.
As far as fraud, if she solicited $ for circumstances different than she told us, the amount SHE mentioned she got makes it a felony. That would be up to the individuals that donated to have Paypal take action with her local police. As somebody else mentioned, I believe others than DUers started that action.
OS
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I know none of her job, life, etc. info that you might have learned.
I just got suspicious. Other DUers were too, and a few pmed back and forth with me. I will not mention their names, but I did learn a lot.
I'm not internet savvy enough to be an "internet sleuth", but I'm glad those posters are.
Keep us posted.
Lol, I may have to give up on this thread because it is just too large.
Such a shame if this is a fraud. I'd actually rather be wrong...it was just that every bs radar beacon I have went off at the same time...
I was accused of being cruel; I'm not. I simply asked questions from the beginning.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)On Fri Apr 3, 2015, 10:47 AM an alert was sent on the following post:
LOL
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6452633
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
These accusations of fraud are over the line. The fact that this person used to work for the police department and is talking about having all of this personal information on someone and he's "giving her a chance to clear her name" is creepy as hell. If this guy has any proof at all, he should take it up with the proper authorities. Since it is specifically against DU rules to post any personal information about any DU member, this threat to reveal her information if she doesn't "clear her name today" is absolutely creepy and 100% inappropriate. This reeks of authoritarianism and honestly, it's borderline harassment, blackmail and stalking.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Apr 3, 2015, 10:58 AM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Stupid alert. The truth hurts. Let TTW respond, don't hide it. No personal info has been exposed in this post.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The alerter is wrong. OS is just trying to protect DU members from possible fraud. Very possible fraud.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Admins have not apparently vetted the original cry for help, and therefore the alerted post is okay by me. I had my own suspicions, too, and the silence of the staff hadn't helped.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The post does not say what you claim.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Silly alert, vs Omaha Steve??? REALLY? LEAVE IT!
Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.
I was #3
pintobean
(18,101 posts)Omaha Steve
(99,682 posts)Thank you jurors!!!
TTW was offered a free place and expenses. They just wanted to be sure they were not being scammed was a fair comment. Close to 24 hours later no reply from her to take it. Forty hours since she has posted at all.
Never said I'd post personal info and have not done so.
"Clear her name TODAY????
Saying her account is on a fraud watch is much different than accusing of fraud. And I had nothing to do with it.
I said I had proof?
I said "IF" she solicited for $ for circumstances different than she told us.
And after several negative comments in this post about an offer for a place to stay, I doubt the sincere offer to help TTW from several DUers for a place to say etc. are still valid. So those that were so worried about helping TTW screwed it up.
OS
You decide: To be sure I posted none of the job, life, etc info that has come up today. There are a lot of private notes flying around.
Several DUers were willing to put up the $ for a room, moving & or storing her stuff if necessary, and some seed cash.
They just want to be assured they aren't being scammed after things that started popping up yesterday.
I gave her the chance to clear her name today. As far as I know as of now, she hasn't tried to do so. It has been 24 hours since her last post.
As far as fraud, if she solicited $ for circumstances different than she told us, the amount SHE mentioned she got makes it a felony. That would be up to the individuals that donated to have Paypal take action with her local police. As somebody else mentioned, I believe others than DUers started that action.
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)I couldn't believe the two could be the same person.
The writing style. The cavalier attitude toward money, even something as paltry as ten dollars.
Believe me, I'm thrilled when I find even a couple of bucks in my wash lol.
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)You and me both.
I don't use money, but Mr Pipi does. He leaves change in his pockets all the time, so when I find coins in the laundry I laugh like a fiend and put it into my change jar with the rest of the pennies, dimes and quarters.
Jenny Red Eye
(53 posts)but your thoughts generally mirror mine.
Edit: thoughts, not thought.
Demit
(11,238 posts)I don't have an issue. I'm just interested in it as a story, as how humans interact in a given situation. Sorry you don't think I should be, Laura, but I'm going to be anyway.
One difference from your vet (or a non-vet, even) on the street corner is that he is in front of you, in person, and you have a lot more to go on as to whether you're going to give him money. You can look into his eyes, for example. Get a feel for him from his tone of voice. Unless you're admitting that all anyone has to do to get money from you is to ask. And, if that is so, may I have $20 please?
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)Reread what I wrote. Thanks.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)What happened a month ago is very relevant. What happened a decade ago, and her occupation, is irrelevant.
I imagine someone ran across that $10 comment while searching to see if she had asked DU for money in the past.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)Often, I hide threads. Those who are "concerned" should try it. Everyone is a grownup here.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)Many people want to help a fellow DUer if there is a real need, and if they think their donation will be used wisely. The fact that this happened a month ago, and there were no updates or thank yous, is troubling.
You can follow your own advice and hide the thread.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)Go ahead and take your own advice. Take a breath, hide the thread, and move on.
Other opinions don't bother me, so I have no need to hide the thread.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)We're helping by keeping the thread kicked, so it's all good.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)furthermore, if you ask for money here, expect people to ask questions or don't ask for money in a discussion thread.
furthermore, the above times ten if you ask for money via a paypal account that has a fraud alert associated with it.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)CreekDog
(46,192 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)Ellipsis
(9,124 posts)...like maybe resolving her situation.
Omaha Steve
(99,682 posts)Wouldn't that resolve her situation?
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Ellipsis
(9,124 posts)Just sayin' she ain't here right now...
...maybe she IS playin' us, maybe she just fucked up (more then once), maybe she has drug problems, maybe other problems, dunno.
Let's see where it goes.
Perhaps she lands on the street. I'd guess not. She definitely strikes me shes playing the victim card.
Demit
(11,238 posts)You wrote, "I don't tell the vet on the street corner that he NEEDS to answer questions as a precursor to me handing him a $20."
Am I wrong in interpreting that to mean that you disapprove of people who have questions of someone before they part with their money?
Again, if you think it is distasteful of people to be skeptical of someone on the internet, whom they can't see, who might be scamming them, and you would NEVER be so skepticalwell, may I have $20 of yours please?
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)Walk away.
And no, I don't "sense" something in someone's eyes when I help someone out. I simply help them or I don't. Walk away.
Demit
(11,238 posts)I haven't been sleuthing anywhere. I did read Omaha Steve's link to the OP's previous request for money, that he offered as background, as context. I watched the OP evade answering people's questions, that they asked because there were holes in her (very melodramatic) story.
You apparently give money to people based on their length of time at DU. Well, I've been here a long time. I'm not working & could use it. Give me $20.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)Cruelty.
Here's the thing, I would if I could. The only thing (since search for responses made by other DUers is a "thing" I've been able to offer TTW is emotional support.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I think it is cruel to dun DUers for money under false premises.
Cruel, wrong, and just plain dishonest.
I'm not the only one doubting this "fund drive," but you seem to have attached yourself to whatever it is I post.
Perhaps YOU should take a deep breath.
At any rate, you've made your feelings clear to me. I'm allowed to post wherever I want. And I will.
Now, I will bid you good day.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)Others who are casting doubt on the OP's story have the exact same privilege to post those doubts in this thread as you have to provide TTW with unwavering support.
That's part of the messiness of an unmoderated discussion board with a loose TOS.
Lex
(34,108 posts)you also open yourself up to a certain amount of scrutiny. That's not new nor unexpected.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)I've spent a fair amount of time at the Milw VA in recent years.
And because that hospital is crowded and not really a place to let your guard down, I watch what goes on around me. As you might guess, there are vets in pretty terrible circumstances one might call them extremely challenging. I think you'd be hard pressed to find a group of people more in-tune to what it means to be knocked down and fighting to get up...
And it's my experience (admittedly I'm just one observer) that between 2009 and now vets at the Zablocki much dislike being approached on the VA sidewalk or in the hallways of the clinics for handouts.
It usually results in complaints to staff. I've never seen a $20 passing between people and I've seen a couple of guys get escorted off the campus for doing it.
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)on both the large and small scale I think this is about viewing and reacting to human need, not necessarily with money.
phil89
(1,043 posts)About whether we're giving to a scammer or not. All evidence points to it being a scam. Use reason not emotion
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)This is less of a "worried about a scam" and more of a sick game. Don't donate. Move on. We're all adults here who can form our own opinions without the crazy. Those who are reasoned and actually helping TTW break out of this cycle are doing an incredible job.
Step outside. Breathe the fresh air. Do something with your day instead of imagining a gun to your head, telling you that you must donate. It's freeing.
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)Just wondering how that's going.
I don't see it going anywhere, to be honest.
Tons and tons of really good suggestions/advice in this thread.
Nearly all of it being kicked to the curb. Instead, there's the same weird requests for money so someone can stay in the same rat hole of a situation.
FGS, it's not even like the OP has to actually think of a solution while being in "crisis mode", since others are doing it for her. Just freaking pick one solution and DO it.
And as far as people being a tad bit upset that they weren't thanked for last time they gave, hey...people like feeling appreciated. How difficult would it have been after the last crisis was over to say a personal "thanks" to all the people who donated? Good manners and all that.
I even expect it from my own daughter, not that I ever had to speak to her about it because she never fails to thank me for whatever I do for my grandson...whether it's to give her money for his summer clothes because he's outgrown his clothing from the previous year, or pay for his school lunches, or buy him school supplies. She always thanks me and sends me photos of what she's bought him with the money I send her.
In 2013 I found out he needed a scarf and hat so I made him one of each and gave it to him for Christmas that year. When he opened it up, he looked at it and said, "Really? Nanny made this just for me???" My daughter said he was so happy.
So yeah. I figure if a 9 year old kid can appreciate a stinking hat and scarf made by his old grandmother, an adult can express a little gratitude to freaking strangers who took the time to try and help. Not be hit up a second time because the person refuses to get actual help to stop the cycle of dysfunction.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)pipi_k
(21,020 posts)this reply from you to one or two other posters, one of whom said that you might want to take your own advice.
I agree.
If some of us here are so heartless and cruel, then maybe you should hide the thread and go on to greener pastures...
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)What are you talking about. This poster has been on DU for a dozen years.
Edit: Actually I don't care to know what you are talking about. But why not just trash the thread instead of trashing a person who has been a member here for over 12 years.
Read Omaha Steves posts? Ttw has a fraud watch on her PayPal account, she won't answer direct simple questions, posts manic nonsensical stories with no evidence to support them and works overtime to find ways not to help herself after being given excellent advice. The only request is money. Do the math. It's a public forum she posted on and questioning suspicious things is a good thing to do.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)The cavers did it and it contributed to his death. I'm sure they were delighted to muck with TTW, too. They love to mess with DU-ers in crisis.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)First, they described being laid off as "sacked", twice.
Is that the way a person who has always lived in the Philadelphia area, talks about getting laid off?
mariuma
(11 posts)I have no dog in this fight, but what you mention is something that baffled me too.
When I started reading TTW's thread I thought she was a Brit. Then she mentioned Philly and I thought, OK, she's a transplanted Brit. But it's weird she spells "judgment" in the American way.
Also weird that her grammar and sentence structure is really well done, paragraph after paragraph, despite the rambly, "oh god I can't cope!" stuff that makes her seem a bit uneducated. If she is so desperate, how is she able to type out superlong posts without mistakes or broken sentences? It's all very smooth, sort of prepackaged, despite the pull-your-heartstrings sobby aspects - it's a style I would call "imitation breathlessness.".
I will put my money on a new theory: this isn't the TTW that people think it is, but a scammer who has taken over her account. That's why she won't reveal her real name on goFundMe.
If anyone knows the real woman's actual address, it's worth checking to make sure she isnt in serious trouble..
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I don't know who he is or the history.
Either I've forgotten or I was not participating on DU at the time.
At any rate, I'm talking about NOW, not something that happened before.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)Is someone forcing you to donate?
Is this going to affect your life in some negative way?
No, this is just an opportunity to be cruel for some out of "concern."
Take a breath; walk away.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)if someone has taken advantage of DUers.
Is it affecting your life? I have as much right to comment as anyone.
Whoever this Andy was, perhaps this is the exact reason he was doubted - because there are so many dishonest people in the world.
I have not told one single poster not to donate. I admire the goodness of those who do.
The OP did not thank one single person who donated before, and I find that in itself just ungrateful (at best.)
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)He was much loved here, and older members can likely direct you to threads discussing that sad episode in DU history. I don't have links, and I don't recall the criticisms alluded to by Meemie, but FWIW.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)What meemie doesn't seem to understand is that people will not donate to legitimately needy folks if they see too many (or even one) rip off.
A scammer hurts more than those who donate freely. It doesn't reflect on the donors, only the scammer. And sadly, it will have repercussions in the future.
Perhaps this whole wild story is completely true. Even then, the OP seems to be living (or attempting to live) on donations on a month to month basis without making any changes in her life. That makes no sense.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)I was prepared to give her the benefit of the doubt, a priori.
However, after reading the questions you and others have posted, and seeing that she hasn't responded (and hasn't followed almost any of the practical advice members here have given her), I have to confess I'm now skeptical.
What can I say. Too much of her story, in hindsight, really does NOT add up; however, if there are legitimate reasons for her predicament, then I'd be prepared to help.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Many others have already helped, and I don't like it if they were ripped off.
Anyway, the poster that wants me to go away will soon get his/her wish lol. I hate when threads become this long.
Perhaps the OP will eventually answer and put this all to rest.
PassingFair
(22,434 posts)That much is clear.
She is obviously bogged down and not in control.
She has posted on this site for MANY YEARS.
There is absolutely no evidence of a "scam".
Please be kind to someone who is obviously struggling with overwhelming issues, quite alone and scared.
For whatever reasons.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)phil89
(1,043 posts)story is absolute nonsense from start to finish. Notice everyone, and I mean everyone in her manic story is out to get her, lying, etc from the landlord, legal aide, inspector, judge, plumber, etc. and she would not take any suggestions, but redirected everything to "send money fast", that's a sign of a scam. Sorry you can't see it. Stop presupposing any of it is true and ask yourself if it makes sense.I don't think she's "struggling" because I don't beleive the story. She evidently did the same thing a month or two ago, as pointed out in this thread. Between people saying there's "no evidence" of a scam and being told I'm skeptical because of Calvinism, it's just hard to understand how some people get by in life.
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uppityperson
(115,677 posts)locked down so it was inaccessible by yelling he was defrauding people. He was unable to get the medical care he needed because of this. And then he died.
He was an old time DUer, one of the first here, working on voting fraud. He was real and a really nice caring guy who might have lived if he was able to access the money DUers donated to pay the required upfront money for his health care.
REP
(21,691 posts)There was a delay in getting the money to the hospital, but Andy did have his Whipple procedure. Unfortunately, he became septic after the procedure and passed due to that. The sepsis was from the surgery, not the delay.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)And while they spent a lot of time removing what they could see (he was opened up from collar bone to crotch) they knew from the amount and location of tumours that they could not have gotten all of it. It was that type that spread very quickly.
People were reading him DU threads with good wishes in the end and he enjoyed it, was very grateful for the help. And very frightened. Very sad time.
I was giving the thumbnail. The delay in the funding would not have made a difference, given the type and grade of cancer, since it was days, not months. Unfortunately, nothing short of a miracle could have won that war. The sepsis post surgery stole any time the surgery may have given him and made those last days even worse.
I remember his "bean spill" threads shortly before the worst came to pass.
I also remember when he was first describing severe liver symptoms, some asses telling him to take milk thistle and bile pills. What he was describing was so horrific that "go to the ER right now!!" was the only sane response.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)having stomach issues and feeling bad. I kept saying dude, you need a doctor asap. He waited a few months until he felt worse. No insurance and fear I think. Bad combo.
Hospitals do not deny life saving care on the basis of ability to pay because that is against federal and state law everywhere.
That is the root of our ER crisis.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)it's not the same situation whatsoever. I'm pissed you'd stoop that low.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)The interesting thing about this is that Andy was a dear friend, and I rarely find myself agreeing with TTW on anything. Yes, it's the same thing, and it's not stooping low. It's calling it like I see it. It's ostracizing someone for reaching out because you don't like how they went about it. Everyone is human. I stand by every single word I've posted. Take a breath, walk away and move on.
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)to THIS DUer?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026228164
Over 900 views and only TWO damned replies.
There are lots of people bashing others for being skeptical and "cruel" here who didn't even give enough of a shit to say, "I'm sorry for your troubles" to that person.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)Speaking for myself only, it appears I made one post at 12:39 p.m.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6229689
One at 8:37 p.m.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6231812
and my last at 8:41 p.m.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6231831
It looks like the OP posted that early in the morning and it was kicked twice. What a shame. It's funny you bring that poster up because he/she had posted about a major problem not so very long ago and many were cruel at that time because the poster is ESL (English as a Second Language), so it was open season on her/his typos/misspellings/grammar usage. It was awful.
Edited to add the awfulness: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026200732
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6198486
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)the actual thread in which she spelled out her own troubles and asked for help and got exactly TWO replies from DUers who "care".
Over 900 views and two replies.
Oh, except for earlier today when people are shamed into asking how things went.
Here is what I find totally disgusting.
So-called "Progressives/Liberals" making fun of/being cruel to someone based on that person's lack of English skills. Someone in another country asking for help.
OTOH, people here are asking some damned valid questions of someone who lives in a crisis mode mostly due to her own bad decisions, and they're getting what looks like a classic run-around but the people asking questions are being "cruel".
People have begged the OP to help them to help her. And by "help" I imagine that means not just getting her out of this crisis until the next one happens. It means getting a long-term solution so it never happens again. And in order to do that, it's necessary for the OP to be honest with lots of people...most importantly herself.
So yeah, let's talk about "cruel". Let's talk about how some people insist that everyone matters to them. It's bullshit.
Why should TTW get so much support and Mylye2222 get nothing (not in that thread, anyway)???
tblue37
(65,458 posts)MadrasT
(7,237 posts)CreekDog
(46,192 posts)Something is off.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)The whole thing just strikes me as "off." Indeed.
phil89
(1,043 posts)if you dare ask questions about this totally ridiculous paranoid fantasy of a plea for money.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)REP
(21,691 posts)Some get a little carried away in trying to show their goodness.
Well said.
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cyberswede
(26,117 posts)If it's legit, you're kicking someone who is down,.
If you don't think it's legit, don't give her any money. Other DUers can make the same choice.
There's no need to take a dump in the thread...then, or now.
phil89
(1,043 posts)Well maybe to open people's eyes and prevent them getting ripped off.
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)Demit
(11,238 posts)If you are an adult, then you're capable of understanding that other people have a point of view. And have as much right to express it as you do yours. If you're an adult, you don't tell them to go away and stop expressing their opinion because you don't like their opinion.
But maybe you're not an adult. How would I know? This is the internet.
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)phil89
(1,043 posts)I'm neither trolling nor have my sole purpose to harass anyone. I'm asking questions. Not sure why this is so mystifying to you.
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)You should self delete this.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)But, the "concern" is typically a cover/excuse to just be basically cruel. The only thing I can hope is that posts like yours make people actually question their motives. We're all grownups and can make our own decisions.
Agreed cyberswede.
Sheldon Cooper
(3,724 posts)And the need to dog pile in the name of "protecting" us poor DUers who are apparently so stupid we may get scammed. Or something.
I don't need anyone's protection here. I can make my own decisions, based on logic and reason and not "emotions" as someone else so ridiculously stated.
Look - there is obviously a mental health component at play here. It's as plain as the nose on everyone's goddamn face. If you can have some compassion for someone who is suffering, fine. If you can't, then please, keep right on kicking someone when they are CLEARLY down. You wear it well.
A couple of you crusaders for justice are WAY too involved in this. At this point, what exactly are you getting from it?
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)And a bit disheartening as well.
Texasgal
(17,046 posts)Pulling posts from fucking 2006 is the epitome of CRAP and NASTINESS!
If any of you DU'ers feel as though your being scammed you have the absolute choice to keep you wallet closed. Otherwise, kindly butt out!
It is times like this that I am reminded that I will never ask DU for any tangible advice and NEVER ask for funds or any other help! Not that I'd find myself in that kind of situation.... but God forbid people pull up my posting history from 10 years ago! UGH!!!!
If you do not believe the story, okay...but to shame and to pull up shit from 10 years ago is sad.
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Corey_Baker08
(2,157 posts)Staying where I can when I can. Now that its getting warmer I can start sleeping in my car again, thank god for it...
Stellar
(5,644 posts)ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)Corey_Baker08
(2,157 posts)tishaLA
(14,176 posts)CTyankee
(63,912 posts)times like this I really wish an admin would step in and break up the party. And I know...by posting this I am just part of the crazy...
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)I hope you are well.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)My husband had a whole career of helping homeless people in our home town New Haven. He worked for the city and as a retiree volunteers to head up the Homeless Commission so he is still involved in the issue.
I am just commenting on how this has evolved over the last couple of days...I put in my 2 cents worth of advice early like others.
Believe me, we are struggling with our own family crisis with one daughter who has been looking for work for several years and is now in crisis financially. I've been giving her money and encouragement for a while now...and I know how hard she works...it is terribly frustrating...
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)That is frustrating.
I was trying to make a funny to lighten up the sad the thread has become, but I fall flat a lot. Best wishes to your daughter.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)is serious. So thank you for your good vibes.
I guess this thread will just peter out at some point when we all get tired of seeing it in GD.
tishaLA
(14,176 posts)for something posted in this thread.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)but as I responded to him/her I truly don't know what is going on in the life of the OP.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)Since TTW has not set up a gofundme, perhaps TTW is just looking for people to talk to, vent with?
TTW, I don't know what you are taking medication for, and it's none of my business, but I do hope you are staying up-to-date on taking them.
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Ellipsis
(9,124 posts)I suggest you get 285 bones and appeal this thing, gives you more time,
Stop freaking out. Things will work out.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)Torch, if you're online, please check in, or start a new thread, or PM me if you'd like.
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)so this is not legal advise, but can't you motion to remove to a higher court? Is this in a lower court now?
phil89
(1,043 posts)nt
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Not sure if some folks in this thread have taken that possibility into account.
I sincerely hope that is not the case.
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)tblue37
(65,458 posts)noella17
(48 posts)I read somewhere that she had it taken out of her account--$79 or so--per month.
I don't see why it matters whether or not she is telling the truth. She obviously has holes in her ceiling and I assume she is also out of work. That is not scamming to me. I do think that she is paying way too much in housing since she lives alone with her dog. So even if she has to move to another town and take a smaller unit, it makes sense because even if people give her several thousands of dollars, eventually she will use it up and be in the same position whereas a smaller unit and possible disability if she qualifies will allow her to pay her bills.
Is she a senior or close to it? Does anyone know how old this lady is? I am curious if she could get into housing for 55+ that is discounted in rent? But she should NEVER be forced to give up her pet! That is too cold-hearted. How could anyone even think of suggesting that to someone who is alone, let alone attached to their pet?
tblue37
(65,458 posts)noella17
(48 posts)she states that because of the weekend, things were suspended until next week. Maybe tomorrow she goes back to court? In any case, even if a judge ordered her evicted, it doesn't work that way where you get kicked out the same day. It takes time for the sheriff to go through with it because there's a backlog! There is also public wifi if she lives in an area that is not rural. She said she lived in a suburb so I am sure she has plenty of options to have posted by now. And I don't think she has lost her Internet yet since she was not kicked out of her apt. She probably felt uncomfortable posting her because of some of the comments I have read here. But I do think she should give an update because some people expressed concern about her wellbeing. She's also gotten some good advice although the pet thing irked me.
daredtowork
(3,732 posts)If you've never been in a position of having to go before the court - especially unrepresented - it's hard to understand how stressful and often nonsensical that process is. While we all like to think of the court as the place where the truth will out, judges have very little patience for people who don't know "respect" their obscure courtroom rules. It's very eady for them to find technicalities to avoid listening to people who just want to explain what happened. And then the legal system nickel and dimes poor people on top of all that!
I think people here are also over-ambitious about some of the other options. Catholic Charities ususually offers emergency rent help....if you have a way to pay rent the following month. Temporary disability? Is that a thing in PA? SSI takes years to get, and expect TTW to discover the conundrum where she has to somehow survive during those years while not working to prove she can't work.
Ah...mental health services. Even "social work". Doesn't that sound like they will actually get something done? Mostly it will get a County worker paid and burn up TTW's time (stressing her out over getting to the appointment and paying for bus money). The saddest thing is how these "services" rarely, if ever, do the direct things that would take the stressors out of the picture: help TTW get moved to a new apt, get her car fixed, connect her with a new job (not just critiquing her resume and providing her with "job hunting tracking sheets" .
For years I've been locked in a pitched battle with the Dept of Rehab to fund a cellphone. Employers expect it. I don't have a cash income to fund my own. This is the number one most logical thing that would help me, and I might have gotten a job quickly when my health was good last summer if I'd had it. But, no. The DoR and every other agency trying to help me thought I could be tough loved into getting my own cellphone even though they knew I had no cash income and would not get one without the job I needed the phone to get! Crazyness!
THIS is what the world of social services and programs is like, and they WILL let TTW get thrown out on the street sooner than simply making the direct moves that would be most efficient to help her.
Good luck TTW - if it counts for anything, I understand how this sort of situation is one crappy thing after another, way too much for even people with a stable family and a staff of 10 to handle without feeling an avalanche of stress, and I can see why you just keep trying to do the next thing you have to do to avoid homelessness, and that's the best you can do. "Housing Crisis PTSD" may soon have its own DSM entry where I live.
I hope some DU Daddy/Mommy Warbucks paratroopers in with some people to actually help you instead of just referring you to the phonebook.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Interesting.
daredtowork
(3,732 posts)If you're questioning my motives now, one of my main ones is every time TTW has to post a separate plea for help for a situation that clearly needs large scale/systemic help, that creates some compassion fatigue that's going to sap the will to help people in a similar situation. That truly absurd thing is that this sort of problem is built into the current situation because the GOP has hollowed out services to make sure they don't actually offer anything and to make sure it takes 3 years to actually get on SSI.
But accusing TTW of being a fraud (unless you have proof)? People often just project their discomfort as "fraud", and frankly that's a reaction the GOP like to exploit. As someone who can speak from experience of these sorts of systems, TTWs experiences come across as authentic to me. If someone took TTW under their wing, it would be a nice case study in how these situations degenerate for a lot of poor people, and at the same time would free up DU's compassion pool for others.
Scruffy Rumbler
(961 posts)what I have seen my sister go through as well as so many friends.
This post could very well be it's own OP. Thanks you for telling your story and illustrating the situation so many people living in poverty have to deal with.
I hope TTW is safe and warm tonight, wherever that is and that she can post again soon.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)is that this housing situation has been going on, according to TTW herself, for several years now. Even before she lost her job (supposedly because of the landlady, which just doesn't ring true) she apparently made no effort whatsoever to find a new place. Indeed, as she represents it, she lives in a community where there are absolutely no other places for rent at all.
It's that, and her complete blaming of everyone else, that raises my bs meter to high levels. There are just too many parts of the story that don't ring true. If she really is on the verge of becoming homeless, well I am sorry, but there is nothing practical any of us can do at this distance. Especially as she hasn't responded to this thread in several days.
daredtowork
(3,732 posts)Has it been several years? I was under the impression this has been going on this past year?
The loss of job thing sounded credible to me. The landlady created a situation that stressed TTW out - which, if it wasn't a hygiene issue, probably was a short temper issue. In either case, it seems like TTW couldn't fight her landlady on the "slumlord" issues AND keep on top of things at work. It sounds like some depression is going on there.
Also nothing is more stressful than a move - packing up all your stuff and starting someplace new. So this situation can be as exactly overwhelming and exhausting as TTW describes it. Whether it WAS - I have no way to prove, but I also wouldn't doubt it out of hand either. Instead I would call this common.
But it's because I regard this as common that I'd like to see someone just address TTW's situation and perhaps vouch for it. It certainly doesn't help other poor people if they always get questioned as "likely scammers" - and this almost always happens when people ask for help on forums. But I think people do this because A) they really can't get their needs met through local resources (I'll vouch for this) and b) asking for anonymous help is less embarrassing than confronting judgmental church ladies face to face (especially if you are stressed out and depressed as it is). But where regular help, like rent, is needed - it's not possible to get enough help that way. Asking repeatedly will just make someone come across as begging all the time. So this situation is bad for everyone involved, including TTW.
Again, it would be best for these sorts of situations to be "contained" by wrap-around services, because several pieces are going to have to move at the same time for anything to change. TTW isn't going to be able to climb out of it if she continues to remain stressed by being unemployed, eviction hanging over her, ill health, etc. That same situation will go on month after month while those who helped her will grumble "I gave at the office last month...".
(From my own experience, if there has to be an order, do it this way: 1) Lift threat to housing UNEQUIVOCABLY - all other material needs are secondary to housing stress-wise, 2) Address any health issues that might sabotage work, 3) Eliminate any material obstacles to applying for work - such as access to transportation, 4) Support job hunt.)
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)back in February she said she'd been a model tenant there for ten years. And while she's a bit vague as to when all the problems started, it's clear they've been going on for quite a long time. Years it what it absolutely seems to be.
daredtowork
(3,732 posts)I'm not sure it matters whether she's been a model or tenant or not before then -what is clear is she has been living in the same place for a decade, which makes it harder to move out. When her problems getting her landlord to fix things started are not the same as when she started to ask for help here (when the legal/eviction problems started).
In regard to TTW asking for money on a forum - and again I want to do this without vouching for this particular situation - I would like to underscore the chief problem for people in similar situations is rent. This is because rent is a regular expense, and you wouldn't believe how rapidly months pass by when you don't have money for rent.
"Welfare" does not take care of rent money. It differs from place to place, but in my area it will offer a fraction of rent money, which it subtracts if you get a job to earn the rest: in other words it drives you into homelessness if you can't get a job or you get nothing if you do get a job because you repay the State from your earnings. It's basically a test to see if you were kidding about not being able to get a job or you'd be homeless. Where I live, it's even more cruel because you can only get that "fractional" money for 3 months out of a year unless you are disabled.
The expectation is you will become homeless, and that fractional money will be paid to a shelter rather than a landlord. This is something people like TTW are desperately trying to avoid: they want to maintain their personal autonomy, their possessions, perhaps a pet they've held for a long time. If they've lived in the same place for a long time, that's their home - they will try to stay there. In this situation they are also beset by a barrage of bureaucracy and hassles, so they also don't have the "bandwidth" to deal with figuring out how to start over in a new place with no savings, no job, no friends, etc.
Most people who haven't been in this situation have casual notions that there are "programs" there to help (like "Catholic Charities" . But once you are in the situation, you find that such programs will only pay for one month of rent, or will only help you if you can prove you will have a job next month, or some other criteria you can't meet. Rent is a huge expense - therefore few programs assist with this on a regular basis. This is a disaster for people waiting for SSI. The GOP view of this is all people who get in a place who can't pay their rent should "return to their families" - but this is an unreasonable expectation in a day and age where many of us come from small and even broken families. We are supposed to be on our own, and we need a social safety net to fall back on, because the family safety net isn't there.
So how are people "on welfare" or who are "waiting for SSI" or are in similar situations dealing with rent? As I complained to my local county political establishment the quiet expectation seems to be that people will fall back on unreported or illegal activity: begging on street corners (this is also unimaginable for many people hitting the eviction wall as TTW seems to be), prostitution, petty criminal activity, joining gangs and dealing drugs, day labor. Most other things will be tax reported, and it will undermine social service programs you need, such as food stamps, because they are regular and you will be able to rely on them until you can get back into the mainstream world.
Many of the "alternatives" are demeaning, humiliating, dangerous, and could result in an arrest record. So people are looking for ways to get their needs met while preserving their privacy and dignity. Of course that does open the way for scammers, like the infamous cases of people who have lied about having cancer to raise money on GoFundMe accounts. But this may have led to people being overly harsh about what's a "scam", too. A few years ago, there was a guy who claimed to be Suddenly Homeless on Daily Kos. At first this guy annoyed me because I felt he had taken advantage of my own welfare posts to ask for money, and Daily Kos had especially developed a culture of certain people "working their corner" to absorb the generosity of the whole community and overshadowing other needy people: this guy seemed to be doing that by regularly posting diaries that got a zillion recs. Then someone caught him in some lies (including sockpuppets vouching for his own posts and doing his own social media boosting), and suddenly he was a scammer who had robbed the whole community. Looking over that story in the aftermath, it was probably a little more complicated than that: yes he lied and scammed, but he also probably did need rent money month after month, and this was a more dignified way of getting it than begging on the corner.
I've been in my own situation for three years, and though I haven't been reduced to begging and scamming, people certainly give me the stink eye about it. Three years is an INCREDIBLY LONG TIME!!!! But it's not my fault. It's because I have been caught in various bureaucratic delays, snafus, procedures, and processes that actually take that long - and there has been no appropriate safety net for me while I go through all that. People don't believe it unless they have actually been through it.
The simple truth is that the safety net is inadequate, and it forces people to do all sorts of things to try to avoid homelessness. And that fear of homelessness places an incredible burden of constant stress on people. Since rent is a monthly demand, those same people keep coming back until they either get some help or they are driven into homelessness.
That's just how it is until we collectively do something to fix the social services infrastructure in this country.
Hekate
(90,758 posts)We're just in a complicated situation here, for all the reasons people have stated. No need for me to recap any of them.
daredtowork
(3,732 posts)Because I don't want to come across as personally vouching for a situation I have no way of knowing about. I'm hoping someone will get more involved in TTW's situation since she chose to reach out for help.
It just bothers me how people judged certain things as "suspicious" when they seemed like no brainers from my angle: avoid homelessness, hold on to place of 10 years, don't lose your stuff, hold on to your dog, try to get what you need to survive while you're being overwhelmed by a lot of crap... all that is valid, and all of that WILL keep coming up month after month, as long as TTW continues to be threatened by eviction.
A lot of people think it's easy to just "pivot" and "get a job" (when you look too tired and stressed to hire) or "move" (when you don't have the bandwidth to house hunt). It's not.
The worst question that was asked: "Isn't it suspicious that TTW doesn't have friends (who will let her sleep on their couch)".
Okay, I want someone else to get to the verge of homelessness just so they can try that one.
So, I'm NOT personally vouching for TTW. Just challenging the "suspicions" of her story.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)maybe what DU needs is a handful of people with some social work experience who are willing to counsel members in crisis. A cool head and no shaming or naysaying from the peanut gallery would aid in problem solving in emergency.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)If you haven't read about the diagnosis C-PTSD, do so. "Complex PTSD". Treatment for that is help stabilizing the living situation first.
Enlightenment is so far away, it seems.
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grasswire
(50,130 posts)you really want to go there?
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Fortunately, the jury's majority saw that comment with the same disgust...
daredtowork
(3,732 posts)I don't know that diagnosis, but from personal experience and from trying to work with the current housing crisis where I live, this seems true to me. If it's not already an axiom, I hope more research is done to back it up.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)I was there myself only 12 or so years ago. If you are financially in a bad spot and someone is trying to hit you with a suit or any kind of court action, your best bet is to surrender early getting the best possible terms that you can.
As sick as that sounds, because it is sick, its the truth.
There is no Democracy if the poor automatically lose in the court system and that is the reality now.
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)Texasgal
(17,046 posts)if she didn't come back after this thread.
Maybe she is indeed on the street!
DawgHouse
(4,019 posts)gwheezie
(3,580 posts)If I want to give someone $ I just do it. Unless you know the person who knows knows what is true
This is what I've done when I was homeless. Initially I slept during the day a libraries so I could be alert at night. Then I wound up at the salvation army. If I had a vehicle I think I would have used it for part of day. You can try to get a job working at night to be off the street. If there is a bathroom that helps with hygiene . you have to face your situation and save yourself people here have told you several times to cut and run it may be time to consider this.