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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWas Hillary Clinton, While Secretary of State, Running a Secret Spy Network?
AllGov.com is among those wondering. Here is one of the documents that seems to support that contention:
I wonder to what, exactly, the parts about a "Trifecta" and an "October Surprise" refer?
Was Hillary Clinton, While Secretary of State, Running a Secret Spy Network?
A trove of emails released two years ago show that then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton had access to intelligence from a private spy network run by an old confidant.
In 2012, the email account of Sidney Blumenthal, a long-time associate of Bill and Hillary Clinton, was accessed by Romanian hacker Marcel-Lehel Lazar, who went by the name Guccifer. Blumenthals emails, which were posted on the internet, showed hed had correspondence with Hillary Clinton via her private email account. They revealed that Blumenthal was providing back-channel intelligence to Clinton about Libyas civil war in the run-up to the Benghazi disaster, according to a report from ProPublica and Gawker.
One of the emails pointed out the deteriorating security situation right before the Benghazi consulate was stormed, citing an extremely sensitive source who pointed out the numerous bombings and kidnapping of aid workers and diplomats by those thought to be loyal to the late Libyan Prime Minister Muammar Gaddafi, ProPublica reported. Despite the information gathered by Clintons network, she said after the Benghazi attacks of September 2012 that U.S. intelligence officials had had no advance warning of the threat.
The reports Blumenthal sent to Clinton appear to have been compiled by Tyler Drumheller, a former chief of the Central Intelligence Agencys (CIA) clandestine service in Europe. Drumheller left the CIA in 2005 and started his own security business.
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http://www.allgov.com/news/top-stories/was-hillary-clinton-while-secretary-of-state-running-a-secret-spy-network-150330?news=856096
We talked a bit on it on DU over the last week or so:
Private Emails Reveal Ex-Clinton Aides Secret Spy Network
and here...
Private Emails Reveal Ex-Clinton Aides Secret Spy Network
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)We all know who that is.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Hmmm...nah.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Hmmm...nah.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)All our IPs belong to Sid.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Ellipsis
(9,124 posts)Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)Ok, we got that out of the way
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Ask Jimmy Carter about the Safari Club, one example of off-the-books spooks. People who care about democracy also may want to ask:
"How do Wall Street, oil companies and the shadow government agencies like the CIA and NSA really shape the global political order?"
The Deep State Plots The 1980 Defeat Of Jimmy Carter
By Peter Dale Scott
WhoWhatWhy.com on Nov 2, 2014
The Safari Club was an alliance between national intelligence agencies that wished to compensate for the CIAs retrenchment in the wake of President Carters election and Senator Churchs post-Watergate reforms. As former Saudi intelligence chief Prince Turki bin Faisal once told Georgetown University alumni,
In 1976, after the Watergate matters took place here, your intelligence community was literally tied up by Congress. It could not do anything. It could not send spies, it could not write reports, and it could not pay money. In order to compensate for that, a group of countries got together in the hope of fighting Communism and established what was called the Safari Club. The Safari Club included France, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, and Iran. (1)
After Carter was elected, the Safari Club allied itself with Richard Helms and Theodore Shackley against the more restrained intelligence policies of Jimmy Carter, according to Joseph Trento. In Trentos account, the dismissal by William Colby in 1974 of CIA counterintelligence chief James Angleton,
combined with Watergate, is what prompted the Safari Club to start working with (former DCI Richard) Helms (then U.S. Ambassador to Iran) and his most trusted operatives outside of Congressional and even Agency purview. James Angleton said before his death that Shackley and Helms began working with outsiders like Adham and Saudi Arabia. The traditional CIA answering to the president was an empty vessel having little more than technical capability.(2)
Trento adds that The Safari Club needed a network of banks to finance its intelligence operations. With the official blessing of George Bush as the head of the CIA, Adham transformed . . . the Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI), into a worldwide money-laundering machine.(3) Trento claims also that the Safari Club then was able to work with some of the controversial CIA operators who had been forced out of the CIA by Turner, and that this was coordinated by Theodore Shackley:
Shackley, who still had ambitions to become DCI, believed that without his many sources and operatives like (Edwin) Wilson, the Safari Cluboperating with (former DCI Richard) Helms in charge in Tehranwould be ineffective. . . . Unless Shackley took direct action to complete the privatization of intelligence operations soon, the Safari Club would not have a conduit to (CIA) resources. The solution: create a totally private intelligence network using CIA assets until President Carter could be replaced. (4)
During the 1980 election campaign each party accused the other of plotting an October Surprise to elect their candidate. Subsequently other journalists, notably Robert Parry, accused CIA veterans on the Reagan campaign, along with Shackley, of an arguably treasonable but successful plot with Iranians to delay return of the U.S. hostages until Reagan took office in January 1981. (5)
SNIP...
The oil majors manipulation of domestic oil prices, combined with Carters failure to bring the hostages home, combined to cause the first defeat for an elected president running for reelection, since that of Herbert Hoover in 1932.
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http://whowhatwhy.com/2014/11/02/the-deep-state-plots-the-1980-defeat-of-jimmy-carter/
How are those wars without end for profits without cease going these days? Like gangbusters.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)post from 07/09/07 (scroll down four or five sections): http://journals.democraticunderground.com/leveymg/280
Oh well, we're all in favor of recycling these days.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)http://journals.democraticunderground.com/leveymg/280
What is Recycling to you is News to most people. Those who control its dissemination want to make Secret Government a Taboo subject for Americans -- especially those who can still Think.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)The wonderfully creative aspect of connecting dots is that so many people pretend to know the order the dots are connected. A rational person can connect the dots and draw a obvious picture whilst the irrational and paranoid often draw complex designs between a mere two dots.
No doubt, we all try to rationalize our own pictures and dismiss those of everyone else as... dissemination or propaganda.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Blumenthal is such a POS, Obama scuttled Hillary's plan to bring him to the State Dept with her.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Thank you, AtomicKitten. I had not seen that article. Wow!
Sid Blumenthal helped destroy Monica Lewinsky's reputation...
In 1998, before the Lewinsky Affair had full frothed over, Blumenthal allegedly started painting young intern Monica Lewinksy not as a victim of a philandering president, but as a sex-crazed psycho antagonist of a teen horror movie. Christopher Hitchens signed an affidavit swearing that Blumenthal was running his mouth about Lewinsky in privatecontrary to what he'd told a Senate committee under oath:
"During lunch on March 19, 1998, in the presence of myself and Carol Blue, Mr. Blumenthal stated that, Monica Lewinsky had been a 'stalker' and that the President was 'the victim' of a predatory and unstable sexually demanding young woman. Referring to Ms. Lewinsky, Mr. Blumenthal used the word 'stalker' several times. Mr. Blumenthal advised us that this version of the facts was not generally understood."
Hitchens added that he had "knowledge that Mr. Blumenthal recounted to other people in the journalistic community the same story about Monica Lewinsky that he told me and Carol Blue." The revelation ended the longtime family friendship between Hitchens and the Blumenthals, and forced Washington media insiders to choose their loyalty between two unpleasant men.
...and tried to do the same to Barack Obama...
Despite his longtime allegiance to a Democratic political dynasty, Blumenthal participated in the the right-wing defamation spree that that preceded Obama's 2008 election victory. A Huffington Post article from that year alleged that Blumenthal was circulating anti-Obama articlesregardless of how batshit they wereto a private mailing list of his many close personal journalist friends:
Almost every day over the past six months, I have been the recipient of an email that attacks Obama's character, political views, electability, and real or manufactured associations. The original source of many of these hit pieces are virulent and sometimes extreme right-wing websites, bloggers, and publications. But they aren't being emailed out from some fringe right-wing group that somehow managed to get my email address. Instead, it is Sidney Blumenthal who, on a regular basis, methodically dispatches these email mudballs to an influential list of opinion shapers including journalists, former Clinton administration officials, academics, policy entrepreneurs, and think tankers in what is an obvious attempt to create an echo chamber that reverberates among talk shows, columnists, and Democratic Party funders and activists.
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http://gawker.com/the-private-email-spook-behind-hillarys-secret-spy-netw-1694572042
Have Pen. Will Travel.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)Wasn't too long after this he was carrying their water for war in Iraq.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Ugh
clarice
(5,504 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Former Democratic Rep. and Republican Sen. Phil Gramm retired from government service and landed a gig as UBS Vice Chairman.
His home page separates the punters from the players.
It's a Buy-Partisan Who's Who:
President William J. Clinton
President George W. Bush
Robert J. McCann
James Carville
John V. Miller
Paula D. Polito
Anthony Roth
Mike Ryan
John Savercool
SOURCE: http://financialservicesinc.ubs.com/revitalizingamerica/SenatorPhilGramm.html
One of my attorney chums doesn't like to see his name on any committees, event letterhead or political campaign literature. These folks, it seems to me, are past caring.
Some of why DUers and ALL voters should care about Phil Gramm.
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,504 posts)Ok that made me laugh. The rest of the article not so funny though. More like disturbing.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)by William Boardman
The Smirking Chimp | March 21, 2015 - 9:47am
David Petraeus, 62, is the best-known military commander of his generation and a former CIA director whose polished reputation rests largely on his academic record and on glowing assessments of his commands in Iraq and Afghanistan.
David Petraeus is a well-known Washington insider who got caught shtupping another mans wife, Paula Broadwell, and giving her access to highly classified military and intelligence information to help her write a glowing, hagiographic biography of her hero, who has now pleaded guilty to a sweetheart misdemeanor deal that would keep him from serving a day in any prison anywhere, never mind in anything like any of the black sites under his command as a general and CIA director.
David Petraeus is the newest poster boy for the nexus of corrupt practices that presently pass for representative democratic government in the United States. This is a nexus of corruption that includes an unspoken agreement among its beneficiaries not to talk about it any more than cant be avoided. A search of the White House archive turns up exactly one reference to David Petraeus since his resignation-to-evade-disgrace in November 2012. That reference, shown below in its entirety, is a nice illustration of the corrupt nexus at work:
White House Press Briefing, 3/16/2015
Q And finally, theres a news report out there [in the New York Times of March 4, 2014] that the White House is getting advice on how to take on the Islamic State from former General David Petraeus. Im wondering if you can confirm that.
MR. EARNEST: Well, Olivier, obviously, General Petraeus is somebody who served for a number of years in Iraq. He commanded a large number of American military personnel in that country. Over that time, he developed strong relationships with some of his Iraqi counterparts and with some of Iraqs political leaders. He is, I think, legitimately regarded as an expert when it comes to the security situation in Iraq, so I think it makes a lot of sense for senior administration officials to, on occasion, consult him for advice.
Q And any particular security precautions that you take in this situation, given his legal entanglement?
MR. EARNEST: Not that Im aware of. (emphasis added)
Press secretary Josh Earnest says hes not aware of any special security precautions the White House may be taking when advisors talk to a man admittedly guilty of committing a totally self-serving security breach that exposed the identities of assets in the field. Earnest doesnt even offer to find out about any possible security precautions. The reporter makes no follow-up request for the information. The charade is perfectly played. Everyone seems to understand that there aregood people who breach security and they get treated well (Petraeus, Leon Panetta, John Brennan, John Deutch, Sandy Berger, et al.).
Then there are the bad people who actually share information with the American people (John Kiriakou, Chelsea Manning, Edward Snowden, Jeffrey Sterling, Stephen Kim, Thomas Drake, et al.) and they get justly lynched, according to the dominant paradigm that government belongs only to some people.
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http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/william-boardman/61469/ex-gen-david-petraeus-new-poster-boy-for-government-corruption
msongs
(67,438 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)And AllGov.com? FWIU, they've big friends at UCLA.
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)/ just sayin
// these are crazy times we're living in
Octafish
(55,745 posts)I'm not sure anyone can remain "not insane" with the 24/7/366 NSA wall-to-wall spying.
Kennebunkport, July 30, 1983: Bill Clinton, George Bush & George Wallace
Wallace and his third wife, the former Lisa Taylor, meet with Vice President George Bush and Arkansas Gov. Bill Clinton at a lobster bake at Bush's residence at Kennebunkport, Maine, July 30, 1983. The third Mrs. Wallace, whom the governor married in 1981, was 30 years his junior and half of a country-western singing duo, Mona and Lisa, who had performed during his campaign in 1968.
CREDIT: AP/Birmingham Post
SOURCE: http://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/george-wallace/13/
Sen. Frank Church was a patriot, a hero and a statesman, truly a great American.
The guy also led the last real investigation of CIA, NSA and FBI. When it came to NSA Tech circa 1975, he definitely knew what he was talking about:
I dont want to see this country ever go across the bridge. I know the capability that is there to make tyranny total in America, and we must see it that this agency and all agencies that possess this technology operate within the law and under proper supervision, so that we never cross over that abyss. That is the abyss from which there is no return.
-- Sen. Frank Church (D-Idaho) FDR New Deal, Liberal, Progressive, World War II combat veteran. A brave man, the NSA was turned on him. Coincidentally, he narrowly lost re-election a few years later.
And what happened to Church, for his trouble to preserve Democracy:
SOURCE: http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=frank_church_1
From GWU's National Security Archives:
"Disreputable if Not Outright Illegal": The National Security Agency versus Martin Luther King, Muhammad Ali, Art Buchwald, Frank Church, et al.
Newly Declassified History Divulges Names of Prominent Americans Targeted by NSA during Vietnam Era
Declassification Decision by Interagency Panel Releases New Information on the Berlin Crisis, the Cuban Missile Crisis, and the Panama Canal Negotiations
National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 441
Posted September 25, 2013
Originally Posted - November 14, 2008
Edited by Matthew M. Aid and William Burr
Washington, D.C., September 25, 2013 During the height of the Vietnam War protest movements in the late 1960s and early 1970s, the National Security Agency tapped the overseas communications of selected prominent Americans, most of whom were critics of the war, according to a recently declassified NSA history. For years those names on the NSA's watch list were secret, but thanks to the decision of an interagency panel, in response to an appeal by the National Security Archive, the NSA has released them for the first time. The names of the NSA's targets are eye-popping. Civil rights leaders Dr. Martin Luther King and Whitney Young were on the watch list, as were the boxer Muhammad Ali, New York Times journalist Tom Wicker, and veteran Washington Post humor columnist Art Buchwald. Also startling is that the NSA was tasked with monitoring the overseas telephone calls and cable traffic of two prominent members of Congress, Senators Frank Church (D-Idaho) and Howard Baker (R-Tennessee).
SNIP...
Another NSA target was Senator Frank Church, who started out as a moderate Vietnam War critic. A member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee even before the Tonkin Gulf incident, Church worried about U.S. intervention in a "political war" that was militarily unwinnable. While Church voted for the Tonkin Gulf resolution, he later saw his vote as a grave error. In 1965, as Lyndon Johnson made decisions to escalate the war, Church argued that the United States was doing "too much," criticisms that one White House official said were "irresponsible." Church had been one of Johnson's Senate allies but the President was angry with Church and other Senate critics and later suggested that they were under Moscow's influence because of their meetings with Soviet diplomats. In the fall of 1967, Johnson declared that "the major threat we have is from the doves" and ordered FBI security checks on "individuals who wrote letters and telegrams critical of a speech he had recently delivered." In that political climate, it is not surprising that some government officials eventually nominated Church for the watch list.[10]
SOURCE: http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB441/
I wonder if Sen. Richard Schweiker (R-CT), a liberal Republican, also got the treatment from NSA?
I think that the report, to those who have studied it closely, has collapsed like a house of cards, and I think the people who read it in the long run future will see that. I frankly believe that we have shown that the [investigation of the] John F. Kennedy assassination was snuffed out before it even began, and that the fatal mistake the Warren Commission made was not to use its own investigators, but instead to rely on the CIA and FBI personnel, which played directly into the hands of senior intelligence officials who directed the cover-up. Senator Richard Schweiker on Face the Nation in 1976.
Lost to History NOT.
TheNutcracker
(2,104 posts)And why HW told Bill he could be prez but he had to SIGN NAFTA?????
Oh...I love this pic!
Octafish
(55,745 posts)My mom's favorite historian says it's genuine:
https://twitter.com/beschlossdc/status/275941914182828033
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)And it's largely owned and operated by the corporate cronies of War Inc, the BFEE.
Obese Intelligence
The NSA Search Engine
by BINOY KAMPMARK
CounterPunch, Aug. 27, 2014
The Intercept was already getting the intelligence community excited with its revelations that the National Security Agency had decided to mimic inspector Google. Through creating a search engine in the manner of those pro-transparency pioneers, the intelligence community was turning the tables on the very idea of searchable information. Why keep it the operating preserve of the public? The search engine has, as it stands, over 850 billion records about phone calls, emails, cellphone locations, and internet chats.
The revelations have a few implications, the most obvious one confirming the seamless transition between intelligence work on the one hand, and the policing function on the other. The distinction between intelligence communities whose interests are targeting matters foreign to the polity; and those who maintain order within the boundaries of a state in a protective capacity, prove meaningless in this form. The use of ICREACH makes it clear that the Drug Enforcement Administration and the Federal Bureau of Investigation are regular clients and users of the system.
A 2010 memorandum from the Chief of Liaison Support Group at the CIA titled CIA colleagues enthusiastically welcome NSA training speaks with praise about those NSA-ers embedded in CIAs workspaces. Indeed, it speaks very highly of the information sharing ethos of the NSA within the Intelligence Community, channelling Googles operating rationale within more secret spaces. Furthermore, in 2010, the relevant data base provided the NSA and second Party telephony metadata events to over 1000 analysts across 23 US Intelligence Community agencies.
Those keen on squirreling information into such a data base are no doubt thrilled by the prospects that it can be made available to the appropriate sources. ICREACH has become one of the largest, if not largest system for the internal processing and sharing of surveillance records within the United States. It is not, according to The Intercept, connected with the NSA database that stores data on Americans phone calls pursuant to s. 215 of the Patriot Act.
The difference between the two accumulated pools of data is one of scope: ICREACH is mammoth in reach, and positively defiant in its push against the law; the database gathered under s. 215 guidelines is minute in comparison, confined to the dangerously pertinent idea of combating terrorism and like threats. ICREACH exists outside the system of court orders, being a creature of Executive Order 12333. The document, instituted by President Ronald Reagan in 1981, was intended to add robustness to the intelligence gathering capabilities of the US intelligence community.
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http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/08/27/the-nsa-search-engine/
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Those "in the know" have something the rest of us -- the "Little People" -- don't have access to: Inside Information. Judging by the historical record and the revolving door between the secret government and private industry, it doesn't get shared in a way that's best for democracy. No wonder the rich get richer and the rest of the country becomes poorer. And the wars for personal profit and concentrated secret power continue without end.
yardwork
(61,701 posts)I'm floored that anybody still thinks that the State Department isn't a network of spies. I'm serious.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)Seriously.
yardwork
(61,701 posts)DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)and hints at another secret state apparatus. There was a conflict between State and the CIA as reported by the WP.... May 10, 2013
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/benghazi-e-mails-show-clash-between-state-department-cia/2013/05/10/5ac8a650-b989-11e2-b94c-b684dda07add_story.html
Now if you take that story and this one you might see some connection.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Renew Deal
(81,870 posts)Since when is third party advice "spying?"
Historic NY
(37,452 posts)de jour. This was in the wash, rinse and repeat cycle months ago.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)Faux pas
(14,690 posts)BainsBane
(53,056 posts)Last edited Fri Apr 3, 2015, 02:32 PM - Edit history (1)
Lets be very clear everyone knows this is about Benghazi. People need to have a clear sense of what the agenda here is. Benghazi. The problem with holding up a Romanian hacker as a source on the workings of the State Department in Libya are many, but among them is the clear omission of the fact that there was a clandestine CIA station at Benghazi, something that has been widely reported in the press. Naturally it wouldn't occur to the great minds of Santo Oficio that "sensitive source" could well have been a CIA agent stationed in Benghazi. Or it could refer to any number of intelligence sources. What there is not is an iota of evidence to substantiate the charges that she ran a secret intelligence network. Not even fucking close. Oh, but you only phrased it as a question, knowing full well that most people won't bother to read the article.
Then there is your rather bizarre lament for the downfall of the architect of the Iraq surge, as though that has anything to do with your unsubstantiated charges against Clinton. I'm sorry your war hero was caught with classified documents. That really does suck. It must be a woman's fault, everything, after all, is. Link it to Clinton, just for shits and giggles.
Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi. How fucking pathetic can it get.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Simple.
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)All I see are a lot of questions.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)arely staircase
(12,482 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)mathematic
(1,439 posts)So many spinning plates.