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Octafish

(55,745 posts)
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 05:21 PM Apr 2015

Was Hillary Clinton, While Secretary of State, Running a Secret Spy Network?

AllGov.com is among those wondering. Here is one of the documents that seems to support that contention:





I wonder to what, exactly, the parts about a "Trifecta" and an "October Surprise" refer?



Was Hillary Clinton, While Secretary of State, Running a Secret Spy Network?

A trove of emails released two years ago show that then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton had access to intelligence from a private spy network run by an old confidant.

In 2012, the email account of Sidney Blumenthal, a long-time associate of Bill and Hillary Clinton, was accessed by Romanian hacker Marcel-Lehel Lazar, who went by the name Guccifer. Blumenthal’s emails, which were posted on the internet, showed he’d had correspondence with Hillary Clinton via her private email account. They revealed that Blumenthal was providing back-channel intelligence to Clinton about Libya’s civil war in the run-up to the Benghazi disaster, according to a report from ProPublica and Gawker.

One of the emails pointed out the deteriorating security situation right before the Benghazi consulate was stormed, citing “an extremely sensitive source” who pointed out the numerous bombings and kidnapping of aid workers and diplomats by those thought to be loyal to the late Libyan Prime Minister Muammar Gaddafi, ProPublica reported. Despite the information gathered by Clinton’s network, she said after the Benghazi attacks of September 2012 that U.S. intelligence officials had had no advance warning of the threat.

The reports Blumenthal sent to Clinton appear to have been compiled by Tyler Drumheller, a former chief of the Central Intelligence Agency’s (CIA) clandestine service in Europe. Drumheller left the CIA in 2005 and started his own security business.

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http://www.allgov.com/news/top-stories/was-hillary-clinton-while-secretary-of-state-running-a-secret-spy-network-150330?news=856096



We talked a bit on it on DU over the last week or so:

Private Emails Reveal Ex-Clinton Aide’s Secret Spy Network

and here...

Private Emails Reveal Ex-Clinton Aide’s Secret Spy Network
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Was Hillary Clinton, While Secretary of State, Running a Secret Spy Network? (Original Post) Octafish Apr 2015 OP
It figures... it was from "Sid" jberryhill Apr 2015 #1
Sidney Blumenthal? Rex Apr 2015 #3
Sid Dithers jberryhill Apr 2015 #4
Sid Dithers? Rex Apr 2015 #5
Hopefully, we can check the IP addresses. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #31
No need. Sid is everywhere! Rex Apr 2015 #32
He's everywhere. ..like Elvis.... msanthrope Apr 2015 #42
I Knew it Ellipsis Apr 2015 #22
:rofl: Electric Monk Apr 2015 #6
Because nothing says ''Democracy'' like Secret Government. Octafish Apr 2015 #8
That 11/2/14 post by Peter looks awfully familiar to this leveymg Apr 2015 #11
Connecting Dots takes brains, imagination and daring. Octafish Apr 2015 #17
The wonderfully creative aspect of connecting dots is that LanternWaste Apr 2015 #37
Sidney Blumenthal sure as hell was. AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #2
''Tinker. Tailor. Soldier. Creep.'' Octafish Apr 2015 #7
pretty much the begining of Hitchens' move to the neo con dark side arely staircase Apr 2015 #9
The Clintons really attract bottom-feeders: Blumenthal, Lanny Davis, & Mark Penn to name a few. AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #10
Carville ?nt clarice Apr 2015 #35
Phil Gramm? Octafish Apr 2015 #43
"...., and forced Washington media insiders to choose their loyalty between two unpleasant men." Guy Whitey Corngood Apr 2015 #16
K&R woo me with science Apr 2015 #12
Ex-Gen. David Petraeus: New Poster Boy for Government Corruption Octafish Apr 2015 #19
been reading the Globe again have we? nt msongs Apr 2015 #13
Only just come to appreciate Gawker, but Pro Publica has long been a first-rate outfit. Octafish Apr 2015 #20
If she wasn't, would we be outraged at her lack of competitiveness? Electric Monk Apr 2015 #14
The pressures she has been under are unimaginable. Octafish Apr 2015 #21
Is this pic from when they ran drugs through Mena, AR under HW Bush? TheNutcracker Apr 2015 #36
Michael Beschloss checked it out... Octafish Apr 2015 #44
kick woo me with science Apr 2015 #15
The NSA Search Engine is a Keyhole to You Octafish Apr 2015 #23
Doesn't every Secretary of State? yardwork Apr 2015 #18
Spies aren't suppose to be exposed. DeSwiss Apr 2015 #26
Tell Valerie Plame. /nt yardwork Apr 2015 #38
Good example. DeSwiss Apr 2015 #47
I think this story implies something outside of the normal CIA channels within the state department. Ichingcarpenter Apr 2015 #27
Ah... The Joys Of Privatization... Private Security Forces, Spying... Who Gets Held Accountable ??? WillyT Apr 2015 #28
K&R DeSwiss Apr 2015 #24
Where do you see a connection to a "spy network?" Renew Deal Apr 2015 #25
One sided conversation with speculations... Historic NY Apr 2015 #29
The spy who loved me. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #30
Kickin' Faux pas Apr 2015 #33
This entire witch hunt hinges on the use of the term "sensitive source." BainsBane Apr 2015 #34
No pathos at all. A private intelligence operation is un-democratic. Octafish Apr 2015 #46
Where's the evidence for the "secret spy network"? I don't see it here. pnwmom Apr 2015 #39
... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #40
wouldn't any 'spy network' be secret by definition? nt arely staircase Apr 2015 #41
kick woo me with science Apr 2015 #45
As if the BFEE would give her permission to run a spy network. mathematic Apr 2015 #48

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
8. Because nothing says ''Democracy'' like Secret Government.
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 05:49 PM
Apr 2015

Ask Jimmy Carter about the Safari Club, one example of off-the-books spooks. People who care about democracy also may want to ask:

"How do Wall Street, oil companies and the shadow government agencies like the CIA and NSA really shape the global political order?"



The Deep State Plots The 1980 Defeat Of Jimmy Carter

By Peter Dale Scott
WhoWhatWhy.com on Nov 2, 2014

The Safari Club was an alliance between national intelligence agencies that wished to compensate for the CIA’s retrenchment in the wake of President Carter’s election and Senator Church’s post-Watergate reforms. As former Saudi intelligence chief Prince Turki bin Faisal once told Georgetown University alumni,

In 1976, after the Watergate matters took place here, your intelligence community was literally tied up by Congress. It could not do anything. It could not send spies, it could not write reports, and it could not pay money. In order to compensate for that, a group of countries got together in the hope of fighting Communism and established what was called the Safari Club. The Safari Club included France, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, and Iran. (1)


After Carter was elected, the Safari Club allied itself with Richard Helms and Theodore Shackley against the more restrained intelligence policies of Jimmy Carter, according to Joseph Trento. In Trento’s account, the dismissal by William Colby in 1974 of CIA counterintelligence chief James Angleton,

combined with Watergate, is what prompted the Safari Club to start working with (former DCI Richard) Helms (then U.S. Ambassador to Iran) and his most trusted operatives outside of Congressional and even Agency purview. James Angleton said before his death that “Shackley and Helms … began working with outsiders like Adham and Saudi Arabia. The traditional CIA answering to the president was an empty vessel having little more than technical capability.”(2)


Trento adds that “The Safari Club needed a network of banks to finance its intelligence operations. With the official blessing of George Bush as the head of the CIA, Adham transformed . . . the Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI), into a worldwide money-laundering machine.”(3) Trento claims also that the Safari Club then was able to work with some of the controversial CIA operators who had been forced out of the CIA by Turner, and that this was coordinated by Theodore Shackley:

Shackley, who still had ambitions to become DCI, believed that without his many sources and operatives like (Edwin) Wilson, the Safari Club—operating with (former DCI Richard) Helms in charge in Tehran—would be ineffective. . . . Unless Shackley took direct action to complete the privatization of intelligence operations soon, the Safari Club would not have a conduit to (CIA) resources. The solution: create a totally private intelligence network using CIA assets until President Carter could be replaced. (4)


During the 1980 election campaign each party accused the other of plotting an October Surprise to elect their candidate. Subsequently other journalists, notably Robert Parry, accused CIA veterans on the Reagan campaign, along with Shackley, of an arguably treasonable but successful plot with Iranians to delay return of the U.S. hostages until Reagan took office in January 1981. (5)

SNIP...

The oil majors’ manipulation of domestic oil prices, combined with Carter’s failure to bring the hostages home, combined to cause the first defeat for an elected president running for reelection, since that of Herbert Hoover in 1932.

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http://whowhatwhy.com/2014/11/02/the-deep-state-plots-the-1980-defeat-of-jimmy-carter/

How are those wars without end for profits without cease going these days? Like gangbusters.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
11. That 11/2/14 post by Peter looks awfully familiar to this
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 06:49 PM
Apr 2015

post from 07/09/07 (scroll down four or five sections): http://journals.democraticunderground.com/leveymg/280

Oh well, we're all in favor of recycling these days.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
17. Connecting Dots takes brains, imagination and daring.
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 09:07 AM
Apr 2015
Through the Safari Club, Trento writes, “the Saudi royal family had taken over intelligence financing for the United States” at 102. The shared cause of anticommunism justified the privatization and merger of U.S. and Saudi intelligence, but it also opened avenues for personal and political enrichment for those who would create and run a run a shadow oligarchy. It created a set of alliances and mutual obligations. It was also highly illegal under U.S. law for American intelligence officers and officials to accept private foreign cash -- whether or not this was the original intention, this ended up allowing the Saudis, Pakistanis, and other foreign members in the Safari Club blackmail and veto power over those U.S. officials involved. George H.W. Bush and those around him who had accepted the deal also had to live with it.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/leveymg/280


What is Recycling to you is News to most people. Those who control its dissemination want to make Secret Government a Taboo subject for Americans -- especially those who can still Think.
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
37. The wonderfully creative aspect of connecting dots is that
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 01:30 PM
Apr 2015

The wonderfully creative aspect of connecting dots is that so many people pretend to know the order the dots are connected. A rational person can connect the dots and draw a obvious picture whilst the irrational and paranoid often draw complex designs between a mere two dots.

No doubt, we all try to rationalize our own pictures and dismiss those of everyone else as... dissemination or propaganda.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
7. ''Tinker. Tailor. Soldier. Creep.''
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 05:42 PM
Apr 2015

Thank you, AtomicKitten. I had not seen that article. Wow!



Sid Blumenthal helped destroy Monica Lewinsky's reputation...

In 1998, before the Lewinsky Affair had full frothed over, Blumenthal allegedly started painting young intern Monica Lewinksy not as a victim of a philandering president, but as a sex-crazed psycho antagonist of a teen horror movie. Christopher Hitchens signed an affidavit swearing that Blumenthal was running his mouth about Lewinsky in private—contrary to what he'd told a Senate committee under oath:

"During lunch on March 19, 1998, in the presence of myself and Carol Blue, Mr. Blumenthal stated that, Monica Lewinsky had been a 'stalker' and that the President was 'the victim' of a predatory and unstable sexually demanding young woman. Referring to Ms. Lewinsky, Mr. Blumenthal used the word 'stalker' several times. Mr. Blumenthal advised us that this version of the facts was not generally understood."


Hitchens added that he had "knowledge that Mr. Blumenthal recounted to other people in the journalistic community the same story about Monica Lewinsky that he told me and Carol Blue." The revelation ended the longtime family friendship between Hitchens and the Blumenthals, and forced Washington media insiders to choose their loyalty between two unpleasant men.

...and tried to do the same to Barack Obama...

Despite his longtime allegiance to a Democratic political dynasty, Blumenthal participated in the the right-wing defamation spree that that preceded Obama's 2008 election victory. A Huffington Post article from that year alleged that Blumenthal was circulating anti-Obama articles—regardless of how batshit they were—to a private mailing list of his many close personal journalist friends:

Almost every day over the past six months, I have been the recipient of an email that attacks Obama's character, political views, electability, and real or manufactured associations. The original source of many of these hit pieces are virulent and sometimes extreme right-wing websites, bloggers, and publications. But they aren't being emailed out from some fringe right-wing group that somehow managed to get my email address. Instead, it is Sidney Blumenthal who, on a regular basis, methodically dispatches these email mudballs to an influential list of opinion shapers — including journalists, former Clinton administration officials, academics, policy entrepreneurs, and think tankers — in what is an obvious attempt to create an echo chamber that reverberates among talk shows, columnists, and Democratic Party funders and activists.


CONTINUED...

http://gawker.com/the-private-email-spook-behind-hillarys-secret-spy-netw-1694572042





Have Pen. Will Travel.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
9. pretty much the begining of Hitchens' move to the neo con dark side
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 05:57 PM
Apr 2015

Wasn't too long after this he was carrying their water for war in Iraq.

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
10. The Clintons really attract bottom-feeders: Blumenthal, Lanny Davis, & Mark Penn to name a few.
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 06:23 PM
Apr 2015

Ugh

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
43. Phil Gramm?
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 04:11 PM
Apr 2015

Former Democratic Rep. and Republican Sen. Phil Gramm retired from government service and landed a gig as UBS Vice Chairman.

His home page separates the punters from the players.

It's a Buy-Partisan Who's Who:

President William J. Clinton
President George W. Bush
Robert J. McCann
James Carville
John V. Miller
Paula D. Polito
Anthony Roth
Mike Ryan
John Savercool

SOURCE: http://financialservicesinc.ubs.com/revitalizingamerica/SenatorPhilGramm.html

One of my attorney chums doesn't like to see his name on any committees, event letterhead or political campaign literature. These folks, it seems to me, are past caring.

Some of why DUers and ALL voters should care about Phil Gramm.

Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,504 posts)
16. "...., and forced Washington media insiders to choose their loyalty between two unpleasant men."
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 10:23 PM
Apr 2015

Ok that made me laugh. The rest of the article not so funny though. More like disturbing.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
19. Ex-Gen. David Petraeus: New Poster Boy for Government Corruption
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 10:50 AM
Apr 2015

by William Boardman
The Smirking Chimp | March 21, 2015 - 9:47am


David Petraeus, 62, is “the best-known military commander of his generation” and a former CIA director whose polished reputation rests largely on his academic record and on glowing assessments of his commands in Iraq and Afghanistan.

David Petraeus is a well-known Washington insider who got caught shtupping another man’s wife, Paula Broadwell, and giving her access to highly classified military and intelligence information to help her write a glowing, hagiographic biography of her hero, who has now pleaded guilty to a sweetheart misdemeanor deal that would keep him from serving a day in any prison anywhere, never mind in anything like any of the black sites under his command as a general and CIA director.

David Petraeus is the newest poster boy for the nexus of corrupt practices that presently pass for representative democratic government in the United States. This is a nexus of corruption that includes an unspoken agreement among its beneficiaries not to talk about it any more than can’t be avoided. A search of the White House archive turns up exactly one reference to David Petraeus since his resignation-to-evade-disgrace in November 2012. That reference, shown below in its entirety, is a nice illustration of the corrupt nexus at work:

White House Press Briefing, 3/16/2015

Q And finally, there’s a news report out there [in the New York Times of March 4, 2014] that the White House is getting advice on how to take on the Islamic State from former General David Petraeus. I’m wondering if you can confirm that.

MR. EARNEST: Well, Olivier, obviously, General Petraeus is somebody who served for a number of years in Iraq. He commanded a large number of American military personnel in that country. Over that time, he developed strong relationships with some of his Iraqi counterparts and with some of Iraq’s political leaders. He is, I think, legitimately regarded as an expert when it comes to the security situation in Iraq, so I think it makes a lot of sense for senior administration officials to, on occasion, consult him for advice.

Q And any particular security precautions that you take in this situation, given his legal entanglement?

MR. EARNEST: Not that I’m aware of. (emphasis added)


Press secretary Josh Earnest says he’s “not aware” of any special “security precautions” the White House may be taking when advisors talk to a man admittedly guilty of committing a totally self-serving security breach that exposed the identities of assets in the field. Earnest doesn’t even offer to find out about any possible security precautions. The reporter makes no follow-up request for the information. The charade is perfectly played. Everyone seems to understand that there are“good” people who breach security and they get treated well (Petraeus, Leon Panetta, John Brennan, John Deutch, Sandy Berger, et al.).

Then there are the “bad” people who actually share information with the American people (John Kiriakou, Chelsea Manning, Edward Snowden, Jeffrey Sterling, Stephen Kim, Thomas Drake, et al.) and they get justly lynched, according to the dominant paradigm that government belongs only to some people.

CONTINUED...

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/william-boardman/61469/ex-gen-david-petraeus-new-poster-boy-for-government-corruption

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
20. Only just come to appreciate Gawker, but Pro Publica has long been a first-rate outfit.
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 10:52 AM
Apr 2015

And AllGov.com? FWIU, they've big friends at UCLA.

 

Electric Monk

(13,869 posts)
14. If she wasn't, would we be outraged at her lack of competitiveness?
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 08:55 PM
Apr 2015

/ just sayin

// these are crazy times we're living in

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
21. The pressures she has been under are unimaginable.
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 10:57 AM
Apr 2015

I'm not sure anyone can remain "not insane" with the 24/7/366 NSA wall-to-wall spying.

Kennebunkport, July 30, 1983: Bill Clinton, George Bush & George Wallace



Wallace and his third wife, the former Lisa Taylor, meet with Vice President George Bush and Arkansas Gov. Bill Clinton at a lobster bake at Bush's residence at Kennebunkport, Maine, July 30, 1983. The third Mrs. Wallace, whom the governor married in 1981, was 30 years his junior and half of a country-western singing duo, Mona and Lisa, who had performed during his campaign in 1968.

CREDIT: AP/Birmingham Post

SOURCE: http://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/george-wallace/13/

Sen. Frank Church was a patriot, a hero and a statesman, truly a great American.

The guy also led the last real investigation of CIA, NSA and FBI. When it came to NSA Tech circa 1975, he definitely knew what he was talking about:

“That capability at any time could be turned around on the American people and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything: telephone conversations, telegrams, it doesn’t matter. There would be no place to hide. If this government ever became a tyranny, if a dictator ever took charge in this country, the technological capacity that the intelligence community has given the government could enable it to impose total tyranny, and there would be no way to fight back, because the most careful effort to combine together in resistance to the government, no matter how privately it was done, is within the reach of the government to know. Such is the capability of this technology.

I don’t want to see this country ever go across the bridge. I know the capability that is there to make tyranny total in America, and we must see it that this agency and all agencies that possess this technology operate within the law and under proper supervision, so that we never cross over that abyss. That is the abyss from which there is no return.”

-- Sen. Frank Church (D-Idaho) FDR New Deal, Liberal, Progressive, World War II combat veteran. A brave man, the NSA was turned on him. Coincidentally, he narrowly lost re-election a few years later.


And what happened to Church, for his trouble to preserve Democracy:

In 1980, Church will lose re-election to the Senate in part because of accusations of his committee’s responsibility for Welch’s death by his Republican opponent, Jim McClure.

SOURCE: http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=frank_church_1


From GWU's National Security Archives:



"Disreputable if Not Outright Illegal": The National Security Agency versus Martin Luther King, Muhammad Ali, Art Buchwald, Frank Church, et al.

Newly Declassified History Divulges Names of Prominent Americans Targeted by NSA during Vietnam Era

Declassification Decision by Interagency Panel Releases New Information on the Berlin Crisis, the Cuban Missile Crisis, and the Panama Canal Negotiations


National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 441
Posted – September 25, 2013
Originally Posted - November 14, 2008
Edited by Matthew M. Aid and William Burr

Washington, D.C., September 25, 2013 – During the height of the Vietnam War protest movements in the late 1960s and early 1970s, the National Security Agency tapped the overseas communications of selected prominent Americans, most of whom were critics of the war, according to a recently declassified NSA history. For years those names on the NSA's watch list were secret, but thanks to the decision of an interagency panel, in response to an appeal by the National Security Archive, the NSA has released them for the first time. The names of the NSA's targets are eye-popping. Civil rights leaders Dr. Martin Luther King and Whitney Young were on the watch list, as were the boxer Muhammad Ali, New York Times journalist Tom Wicker, and veteran Washington Post humor columnist Art Buchwald. Also startling is that the NSA was tasked with monitoring the overseas telephone calls and cable traffic of two prominent members of Congress, Senators Frank Church (D-Idaho) and Howard Baker (R-Tennessee).

SNIP...

Another NSA target was Senator Frank Church, who started out as a moderate Vietnam War critic. A member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee even before the Tonkin Gulf incident, Church worried about U.S. intervention in a "political war" that was militarily unwinnable. While Church voted for the Tonkin Gulf resolution, he later saw his vote as a grave error. In 1965, as Lyndon Johnson made decisions to escalate the war, Church argued that the United States was doing "too much," criticisms that one White House official said were "irresponsible." Church had been one of Johnson's Senate allies but the President was angry with Church and other Senate critics and later suggested that they were under Moscow's influence because of their meetings with Soviet diplomats. In the fall of 1967, Johnson declared that "the major threat we have is from the doves" and ordered FBI security checks on "individuals who wrote letters and telegrams critical of a speech he had recently delivered." In that political climate, it is not surprising that some government officials eventually nominated Church for the watch list.[10]

SOURCE: http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB441/



I wonder if Sen. Richard Schweiker (R-CT), a liberal Republican, also got the treatment from NSA?

“I think that the report, to those who have studied it closely, has collapsed like a house of cards, and I think the people who read it in the long run future will see that. I frankly believe that we have shown that the [investigation of the] John F. Kennedy assassination was snuffed out before it even began, and that the fatal mistake the Warren Commission made was not to use its own investigators, but instead to rely on the CIA and FBI personnel, which played directly into the hands of senior intelligence officials who directed the cover-up.” — Senator Richard Schweiker on “Face the Nation” in 1976.

Lost to History NOT.
 

TheNutcracker

(2,104 posts)
36. Is this pic from when they ran drugs through Mena, AR under HW Bush?
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 01:25 PM
Apr 2015

And why HW told Bill he could be prez but he had to SIGN NAFTA?????


Oh...I love this pic!

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
23. The NSA Search Engine is a Keyhole to You
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 11:04 AM
Apr 2015

And it's largely owned and operated by the corporate cronies of War Inc, the BFEE.



Obese Intelligence

The NSA Search Engine

by BINOY KAMPMARK
CounterPunch, Aug. 27, 2014

The Intercept was already getting the intelligence community excited with its revelations that the National Security Agency had decided to mimic inspector Google. Through creating a search engine in the manner of those pro-transparency pioneers, the intelligence community was turning the tables on the very idea of searchable information. Why keep it the operating preserve of the public? The search engine has, as it stands, over 850 billion records about phone calls, emails, cellphone locations, and internet chats.

The revelations have a few implications, the most obvious one confirming the seamless transition between intelligence work on the one hand, and the policing function on the other. The distinction between intelligence communities whose interests are targeting matters foreign to the polity; and those who maintain order within the boundaries of a state in a protective capacity, prove meaningless in this form. The use of ICREACH makes it clear that the Drug Enforcement Administration and the Federal Bureau of Investigation are regular clients and users of the system.

A 2010 memorandum from the Chief of Liaison Support Group at the CIA titled “CIA colleagues enthusiastically welcome NSA training” speaks with praise about those “NSA-ers embedded in CIA’s workspaces”. Indeed, it speaks very highly of the “information sharing” ethos of the NSA within the Intelligence Community, channelling Google’s operating rationale within more secret spaces. Furthermore, in 2010, the relevant data base provided the NSA “and second Party telephony metadata events to over 1000 analysts across 23 US Intelligence Community agencies.”

Those keen on squirreling information into such a data base are no doubt thrilled by the prospects that it can be made available to the “appropriate” sources. ICREACH has become one of the largest, if not largest system for the internal processing and sharing of surveillance records within the United States. It is not, according to The Intercept, connected with the NSA database that stores data on Americans’ phone calls pursuant to s. 215 of the Patriot Act.

The difference between the two accumulated pools of data is one of scope: ICREACH is mammoth in reach, and positively defiant in its push against the law; the database gathered under s. 215 guidelines is minute in comparison, confined to the dangerously pertinent idea of combating terrorism and like threats. ICREACH exists outside the system of court orders, being a creature of Executive Order 12333. The document, instituted by President Ronald Reagan in 1981, was intended to add robustness to the intelligence gathering capabilities of the US intelligence community.

CONTINUED...

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/08/27/the-nsa-search-engine/

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Those "in the know" have something the rest of us -- the "Little People" -- don't have access to: Inside Information. Judging by the historical record and the revolving door between the secret government and private industry, it doesn't get shared in a way that's best for democracy. No wonder the rich get richer and the rest of the country becomes poorer. And the wars for personal profit and concentrated secret power continue without end.

yardwork

(61,701 posts)
18. Doesn't every Secretary of State?
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 09:26 AM
Apr 2015

I'm floored that anybody still thinks that the State Department isn't a network of spies. I'm serious.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
26. Spies aren't suppose to be exposed.
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 11:09 AM
Apr 2015
- That way if they decide to run for President later, they won't have things like emails coming back to haunt them.

Seriously.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
27. I think this story implies something outside of the normal CIA channels within the state department.
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 11:12 AM
Apr 2015

and hints at another secret state apparatus. There was a conflict between State and the CIA as reported by the WP.... May 10, 2013
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/benghazi-e-mails-show-clash-between-state-department-cia/2013/05/10/5ac8a650-b989-11e2-b94c-b684dda07add_story.html

Now if you take that story and this one you might see some connection.




 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
28. Ah... The Joys Of Privatization... Private Security Forces, Spying... Who Gets Held Accountable ???
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 11:41 AM
Apr 2015

Historic NY

(37,452 posts)
29. One sided conversation with speculations...
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 11:42 AM
Apr 2015

de jour. This was in the wash, rinse and repeat cycle months ago.

BainsBane

(53,056 posts)
34. This entire witch hunt hinges on the use of the term "sensitive source."
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 12:55 PM
Apr 2015

Last edited Fri Apr 3, 2015, 02:32 PM - Edit history (1)

Lets be very clear everyone knows this is about Benghazi. People need to have a clear sense of what the agenda here is. Benghazi. The problem with holding up a Romanian hacker as a source on the workings of the State Department in Libya are many, but among them is the clear omission of the fact that there was a clandestine CIA station at Benghazi, something that has been widely reported in the press. Naturally it wouldn't occur to the great minds of Santo Oficio that "sensitive source" could well have been a CIA agent stationed in Benghazi. Or it could refer to any number of intelligence sources. What there is not is an iota of evidence to substantiate the charges that she ran a secret intelligence network. Not even fucking close. Oh, but you only phrased it as a question, knowing full well that most people won't bother to read the article.

Then there is your rather bizarre lament for the downfall of the architect of the Iraq surge, as though that has anything to do with your unsubstantiated charges against Clinton. I'm sorry your war hero was caught with classified documents. That really does suck. It must be a woman's fault, everything, after all, is. Link it to Clinton, just for shits and giggles.

Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi. How fucking pathetic can it get.

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
39. Where's the evidence for the "secret spy network"? I don't see it here.
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 01:39 PM
Apr 2015

All I see are a lot of questions.

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