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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTeapublicans now say that cakes are “Speech”. Really. Yes, really.
https://bluntandcranky.wordpress.com/2015/04/02/teapublicans-now-say-that-cakes-are-speech-really-yes-really/Source info at the link.
Speech is the latest extraconstitutional workaround for anything illegal that Repubs want to get away with. Citizens United is the most egregious example: by defining money as speech, the Roberts Court removed almost every restriction against political spending, AKA bribery. It also means that those people with more money have more free speech.
See how it works? By sneaking something odious and corrupt under the protection of the First Amendment, Teapublicans make said odious thing almost impossible to control or even keep track of. That is how the criminal enterprise known as the GOP rolls.
So this morning, Mr. B & C was driving to The Place That Pays Him To Go There, and heard a Babtist preacher on the radio further attempt to add discriminatory practices against LGBTQ citizens as protected by the First Amendment. Specifically: he claimed that a cake was speech.
Again: Teavangelicals want wedding cakes classed as speech. Christ on a Kitchen Aid. This is ridiculous, but sadly not all that unusual. The Babtist Boyo says that a baker (or pizza maker, florist, etc.) is providing speech via their pastries and such. Thus it would be a violation of a bakers free speech rights to have to bake a cake for a gay person. Seriously, he says that. Click the link and listen for yourself.
Teapublicans clearly wouldnt know speech if it bit them on their wedding tackle. But then, they dont really care about our Constitutional rights: they want to overthrow our current system of government and replace it with a theocracy. And this is just another step on their way to that goal. Anyone other than White male Teavangelicals is at risk.
Vote the Republicans out. All of them. And that soon.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Everything old is new again.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Journeyman
(15,036 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)Shows how much I know.
unblock
(52,253 posts)their republicans' arguments sound more and more like the south's pre-civil war arguments every day.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Look into the 1851 Center and other such groups much beloved by the Roberts Five. They want a rollback to antebellum law.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)2naSalit
(86,647 posts)turns a verb into a noun... speech becomes and object, then everything can be determined to be "speech" and banks on the concept that actions speak louder than words.
We need to make this a thing of the past in a permanent way and soon or we will lose everything we thought we had.
riqster
(13,986 posts)hatrack
(59,587 posts)I've seen horse collars and potted geraniums that could have done a better job with this "interview" than Inskeep. Cake is speech . . . . and nothing even approaching a "question" from his numb lips in the way of a response.
riqster
(13,986 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)'because we say so!'? It was only a matter of time.
Meanwhile, just a couple years ago, these VERY SAME GROUPS were complaining that gay people were 'redefining' marriage.
These people are complete CLOWNS.
riqster
(13,986 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)Or even less radically, how long before liberal speech is ruled as speech which is NOT protected by the 1st Amendment?
If Scalia can pull a rabbit out of a hat and call it macaroni, he can part the Red Sea and render the Bill of Rights utterly meaningless.
TampaAnimusVortex
(785 posts)Just to play devils advocate... on a speech spectrum, where does "speech" stop and what does it turn into?
1. Picaso Art Painting
2. Picaso Art Painting painted with food dyes for paint
3. Picaso Art Painting painted with food dyes on a canvas wrapped around a small inedible cylinder
4. Picaso Art Painting painted with food dyes on a edible media wrapped around a small inedible cylinder
5. Picaso Art Painting painted with food dyes on a edible media wrapped around a small edible cylinder (cake)
Now, one can specify Picaso art, but would it matter who the artist is? Including the cake maker themselves? How much "art" needs to go into a cake to make it "art"?
Keep in mind here... I don't support this crazy lady and her ilk... but just trying to uncover where the line is?
riqster
(13,986 posts)TampaAnimusVortex
(785 posts)Governor Mike Pence and lawmakers in Indiana may have opened a can of worms with their Religious Freedom Restoration Act at least according to some Wiccans, who claim that it will give them greater freedom to enjoy polyamory, bestiality, drugs and nudity.
The Wiccan religion is a modern interpretation of paganism. Many believe in witchcraft and many practice rituals that could include sex and drugs. Wiccans are extremely open minded and highly inclusive of LGBT people. Thats why its surprising that they could be for a law that would end up discriminating.
Wiccans, though, see the other side of that law, and they see it as allowing them to express their religious beliefs, despite the fact that many Christians see Wicca as along the same lines as devil worship.
Vinca
(50,278 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)2naSalit
(86,647 posts)I know it will be a statement somewhere before long! Double-speak has become pretzel speak that loops back around to re-identify the object to make a claim more believable to the dim-witted and those so distracted by technology that they can't pay attention to reality.
riqster
(13,986 posts)yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)GoCubsGo
(32,086 posts)This one says, "Death will await you with nasty, big, pointy teeth..."
(For the record, I think their argument is B.S., for reasons others have already pointed out here.)
riqster
(13,986 posts)GoCubsGo
(32,086 posts)I see lunacy runs in the Trump family.
yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)lunch tomorrow." Or "I am a gluten free low calorie cake. I am healthy for you!" Cakes can be very persuasive.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Processed a bit, but it all starts off as plants of some sort.
Salad is made from plants.
Cake is salad. QED.
DebbieCDC
(2,543 posts)of the florist who refused to provide flowers for a gay wedding, she tried to argue it would impinge on her artistic freedom of expression AND freedom of religion to arrange flowers for gays. Of course, it was fine that these gay folks had been her clients for years and years. It was only when the dreaded "wedding" word was uttered did their business become an imposition on her "freedoms".
Obviously florist lost round 1 but no doubt the baggers (who are financing her) will push it to the next level.
riqster
(13,986 posts)My speech in such cases is not very Christian.
pansypoo53219
(20,981 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)If I'm ordering a cake with words on it, I'm the one providing the words. Not the baker. So, the preacher is right. Someone's free speech is being infringed upon and it isn't the bakers.
riqster
(13,986 posts)corkhead
(6,119 posts)Vattel
(9,289 posts)LynneSin
(95,337 posts)'Their is no God' written on them.
I said that was the world's dumbest argument because Atheists aren't low-life unintelligent people who go around getting kicks forcing people to bake cookies with 'There is no God' on them. And even if they did, anyone baking them isn't ascribing to that religious theory - they are just baking cookies. They can pray for forgiveness aftewards.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Coventina
(27,121 posts)(as I posted on the other thread of this subject)