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One sentence CA water proposal: NO FRACKING until the drought is over and reserves are @125% n/t (Original Post) BobSmith4152 Apr 2015 OP
I don't live in California 99th_Monkey Apr 2015 #1
No fracking. NV Whino Apr 2015 #2
+1000 times, absolutely. mother earth Apr 2015 #4
+10,000 roody Apr 2015 #27
Ok, I'll see that +100,000 mother earth Apr 2015 #37
Yep. Scuba Apr 2015 #20
given the climate reality for CA, this is essentially 'no fracking' period Amishman Apr 2015 #31
What Californians of this day don't understand NV Whino Apr 2015 #32
This Californian agrees BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #3
How do we make it happen? BobSmith4152 Apr 2015 #18
I have contacted Governor Brown's office BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #21
One thing the Conservative Wing of our Party agree with the Republicons is fracking. rhett o rick Apr 2015 #5
recommended 2nd sentence: No private corporations bottling and selling CA water magical thyme Apr 2015 #6
I agree, and I would also like to see... ColesCountyDem Apr 2015 #7
I'm with you on that. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #8
Agricultural use is 80% of the total. "no almonds, no rice, no cotton" would make more sense (n/t) Spider Jerusalem Apr 2015 #9
Jerry what are you thinking? ruffburr Apr 2015 #10
FRACKING = POISON blkmusclmachine Apr 2015 #11
AT LEAST!!! This Californian agrees wholeheartedly! calimary Apr 2015 #12
i wonder if those who sy no fracking would be willing to pay $7-10 for gas? rdking647 Apr 2015 #13
i'd suppose chapdrum Apr 2015 #14
That's kind of the difference between D's and R's, isn't it? elias7 Apr 2015 #16
plus theres teh thousand employed in fracking who would lose jobs rdking647 Apr 2015 #22
When the water table is gone ThoughtCriminal Apr 2015 #24
what do yo do for them today????? rdking647 Apr 2015 #25
What will you do for them tomorrow? ThoughtCriminal Apr 2015 #26
Same argument as the Spotted owl some years ago elias7 Apr 2015 #39
And tens of MILLIONS will lose their lives as global warming ramps up NickB79 Apr 2015 #36
Better make sure your straw hut isn't TBF Apr 2015 #35
Up here in Maine,... MarianJack Apr 2015 #15
My condolences for the years of mental anguish and embarrassement that *man* gives all there. n/t freshwest Apr 2015 #23
Thanks! MarianJack Apr 2015 #30
Clearly. It takes between 4 and 5 MILLION gallons of water to frack one well one time. If it is PatrickforO Apr 2015 #17
frackign in california uses less water than fracking in othe states rdking647 Apr 2015 #29
It's not just a matter of using water NV Whino Apr 2015 #33
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2015 #19
k&r n/t Wilms Apr 2015 #28
Um........... duh! raven mad Apr 2015 #34
K&R! Omaha Steve Apr 2015 #38

Amishman

(5,559 posts)
31. given the climate reality for CA, this is essentially 'no fracking' period
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 10:10 AM
Apr 2015

I just don't see the water shortage just going away, California is facing a new normal. And that new normal won't let water levels to 125% of their old averages.

NV Whino

(20,886 posts)
32. What Californians of this day don't understand
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 10:18 AM
Apr 2015

Is California is a reclaimed desert. It's simply going back to its original state.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
21. I have contacted Governor Brown's office
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 10:32 PM
Apr 2015

For some reason, he won't touch fracking. But I think if we put pressure on him, there is a chance.

Also, get laws passed that bans fracking by county. Here is a list, but some are just resolutions asking the governor to ban it. Some counties have won challenges against the law.

http://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/water/fracking/anti-fracking-map/local-action-documents/#california

We have a crisis and now is the time to get people involved. We hear the dire reports daily so I can't imagine anyone but those who directly profit (the rub) will object.


 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
5. One thing the Conservative Wing of our Party agree with the Republicons is fracking.
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 07:36 PM
Apr 2015

Pres Obama said it's the bridge to a new energy future. He forgot to include, "without drinking water".

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
6. recommended 2nd sentence: No private corporations bottling and selling CA water
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 07:38 PM
Apr 2015

until drought is over and reserves are @500%!

ColesCountyDem

(6,943 posts)
7. I agree, and I would also like to see...
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 07:51 PM
Apr 2015

I would like to see CA agriculture move in the direction of ecologically-compatible sustainability. 80% of CA's water is used by an industry that only produces 2% of your state's GDP.

ruffburr

(1,190 posts)
10. Jerry what are you thinking?
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 08:41 PM
Apr 2015

No Fracking no water bottling till drought is over and then no fracking statewide ever , Should be worldwide.

calimary

(81,429 posts)
12. AT LEAST!!! This Californian agrees wholeheartedly!
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 09:19 PM
Apr 2015

We actually don't have a choice anymore. This isn't a "want to" or "ought to" thing. This is "have to."

I thought it might be neat to go where the snow is. Look how obscenely much they had of it on the East Coast. What if we could build some sort of pipeline from east to west? Relieve buried Boston and pump that snow out west to California! Worst-case scenario: the pipeline bursts. What comes out? WATER. I also wonder why we out here aren't investing most if not all the state surplus into desalination projects or mechanisms or protocols. For Pete's sake, we've got the world's biggest water source at the wet end of the beach. Over the entire length of California! Surely there might be intakes in various places where water-creatures and the local ecology aren't horribly compromised?

 

rdking647

(5,113 posts)
13. i wonder if those who sy no fracking would be willing to pay $7-10 for gas?
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 09:23 PM
Apr 2015

fracking is a necessary evil....

elias7

(4,026 posts)
16. That's kind of the difference between D's and R's, isn't it?
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 09:49 PM
Apr 2015

Democrats will not generally see something so detrimental longterm as a necessary evil.

ThoughtCriminal

(14,047 posts)
24. When the water table is gone
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 10:49 PM
Apr 2015

they too, will lose their jobs and will have no influence over the price of gas.

ThoughtCriminal

(14,047 posts)
26. What will you do for them tomorrow?
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 12:20 AM
Apr 2015

Prolonging a few thousand doomed jobs today for a few years at the expense of hundreds of thousands or millions in the future is not wise. What will happen to California's economy when the wells suck nothing but waste products?

NickB79

(19,257 posts)
36. And tens of MILLIONS will lose their lives as global warming ramps up
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 03:21 PM
Apr 2015

Which extracting and burning fossil fuels causes.

We've driven the planet into a mass extinction event. Priorities.

MarianJack

(10,237 posts)
15. Up here in Maine,...
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 09:40 PM
Apr 2015

...our glorious governor claims that there are NO dangers associated with fracking. Of course, the legend in his own mind Paul LePage IS a whopping moron!

PEACE!

PatrickforO

(14,586 posts)
17. Clearly. It takes between 4 and 5 MILLION gallons of water to frack one well one time. If it is
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 10:10 PM
Apr 2015

between water for drinking and irrigation versus water for fracking, its a no brainer.

Except for the big oil guys and their high powered lobbyists that is.

 

rdking647

(5,113 posts)
29. frackign in california uses less water than fracking in othe states
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 06:44 AM
Apr 2015

from teh california dept of conservation:
There are other differences between the typical use of hydraulic fracturing in California and elsewhere. For instance, in other states the extraction of unconventional natural gas resources requires lengthy fracturing periods along lengthy stretches of horizontally-drilled production wells. Millions of gallons of water are injected under constant pressure, a process that may take days or weeks in order to effectively open the reservoir rock. In California, much less water is used and the period of pressurizing the reservoir rock is much shorter. In other states, the extent of fracturing in unconventional rock stretches for hundreds of yards along the horizontal well and the fractures stretch farther away from the well. In California, fracturing projects tend to use far less fluid to fracture within a narrow vertical band along a well, generally starting at a point several thousand feet underground, with the fractures extending only tens to hundreds of feet away from the well.

http://www.conservation.ca.gov/dog/general_information/Pages/HydraulicFracturing.aspx

Response to BobSmith4152 (Original post)

raven mad

(4,940 posts)
34. Um........... duh!
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 11:19 AM
Apr 2015

Wishing all of you the very best. If I could send our rain there, I'd send it. (No rain yet, still snowing, not unusual.)

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