Everything else is going to be window-dressing.

Whichever Democrat wins the primaries, they better be ready to tap Julian Castro as their running mate or we can very well lose the White House and Senate in 2016.

a $5,000 fine and/or 5 years in prison - and I'm guessing here that if he should be called out on it, he'd be fined (and his supporters would happily pay) and the threat of prison will be wiped away (courtesy of friends in high places).

Do you really want to go down the road of jailing people for answering "Hispanic"?

If my wife were to answer "Black (not Hispanic)" by mistake, instead of answering "Hispanic" or not filling the question out, should she be thrown in jail for it?

Some people would throw President Obama jail for answering "Black (not Hispanic)" instead of "Multiracial".

The word police can throw quite a lot of people in jail if we go down that route.

People will be afraid to vote.

oh, so predictable as well.

Oh, and that example about Obama is a stretch, but predictable, too.

Yes, it's an option - an option to fill out or leave blank. He chose to check the box and he signed the form afterward that all information IS CORRECT after reading the OATH, and it wasn't. That makes it a third-degree felony. DUH.

Oath:
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will protect
and defend the Constitution of the United States and
the Constitution of the State of Florida, that I am
qualified to register as an elector under the
Constitution and laws of the State of Florida, and that
all information provided in this application is true.

Jail time? Pfft. No one of his privileged class ever goes to jail. He sent Floridians to jail for less than what he happily did in college - smoking and dealing weed - so as with all the privileged White folk in this country, unless he commits the cardinal but unwritten sin - you shall not cheat of fellow elites - he'll never see the inside of a prison cell.

But he should be fined that $5,000.

from some unknown political family, is he? He had an option to not fill out the ethnicity section but he chose to do so anyway, checked the box that he was "Hispanic", and then signed it. That made it, under Floridian law, subject to a third-degree felony.

Do I want voters to be persecuted over that? Heck no. But that excuse is comparing apples to oranges since most people darn well know their ethnicity - like John Ellis Bush. He isn't exactly your run-of-the-mill voter, is he? He is the son of no less than two White American presidents with long White ancestral bloodlines, and he was friggin Governor of the State that wrote that OATH into the registration forms for chrissakes. He should know better and he should be held to account for it.

If you're a Black person, there's no ambiguity there. It's not as if you can hide it. So that's why your using President Obama mixed-race example is a stretch at best and a lame excuse in order to defend John Ellis Bush, at worst.

Just as there's no ambiguity that John Ellis Bush is NOT Hispanic.

Sheesh.

What if they answer differently than how you want them to answer? (Your opinion of how they should answer is "unambiguous", of course.)

That's pretty creepy.

Usually, it's Republicans who do that sort of stuff.

accountable under the law. Your preference to not hold him accountable is what's creepy - unsurprising, but creepy.

That could only happen to ordinary voters.

It's ordinary voters who you are attacking here, not Bush.

Bush is just a front for the real victims of your prison proposal for voters who self-identify in ways that you (or some judge whose "unambiguous" answers may or may not differ from your own "unambiguous" answer) doesn't like.

Here's a refresher: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6465640

And can you stop playing the "voter suppression" fear-mongering card? Even your make-believe scenarios can't bolster your attempts at it here.

Have a great day!

You lost the debate. You know it. I know it. Own it.

Own it.

defend John Ellis Bush. How about YOU own it?

This has absolutely nothing to do with Bush.

You even admitted that yourself.

It's about your desire to imprison ordinary voters for their race/ethnicity.

Your fear-mongering has failed in your many desperate attempts to defend John Ellis Bush. I don't post with JEBBIE supporters. Buh-bye.

That is a lie.

You are attacking ordinary voters and threatening them with prison if they self-identify differently than you (or some Judge who may agree or disagree with you) want them to self-identify.

That's racist bullshit.

This will not go well with the GOP base

and now HE can never ever ever speak about voter fraud ever ever again.

It's an optional question, and many people might chose a response that others disagree with.

Calling this "voter fraud" is designed scare people away from voting.

But surely Jeb Crow Shrub, the SMART/NICE one *can't* be CYNICAL, now can he?!1

To think I was fooled by the BUSH family’s propaganda machine, because I sort of believed them that Jeb Crow Shrub was the SMART one and the sort-of-NICE one. I knew that he, like all of the BUSH boys and their father and grandfathers and uncles for some reason have specialized in FLEECING the U.S. public monies for their own FORTUNE instead of sticking to the PRIVATE SECTOR. Each of the boys has their expertise: Shrub, fake companies he sold at a profit; Neil, the Savings & Loan scam; Jeb Crow Shrub, partnering with Cuban/CIA types to fleece MediCARE; Neil and Jeb Crow foisting “education” programs onto the public schools. Not to mention the old BUSH bankers financing HITLER’s rise to power. And DRUGS EVERYWHERE!!!! As Poppy BUSH scolded a reporter about the Shrubs FLEECING we-the-people, “My boys have a RIGHT to MAKE A LIVING!”

But Jeb Crow Shrub has such a nice demeanor! Even when he PERSECUTED the SCHIAVO family, injecting government into FAMILY PRIVATE MEDICAL DECISIONS, it was still hard to hate him because he does those SMILES AND HUGS so well! Then there’s that Mexican Catholic connection, surely there’s no cynicism in THAT!!!!!!!!!

Let’s see, he married a Mexican Catholic in 1974, lost for governor in 1994, converted to Catholicism in 1995, which is sure to be a coincidence, NOT CYNICAL, since converting to Catholicism in a state with a significant Hispanic Catholic block surely didn’t impact his subsequent WINNING run now did it. Oh, and he PERSONIFIES the old apartheid heritage of SMILING AT AND HUGGING Hispanics, who are so NEEDY that they LOVE THEIR ENEMIES. Surely enemies don’t SMILE AND HUG, now *do* they?! Not those Old white males who SLASH anything humanitarian for minorities then come on down to the minorities neighborhoods smiling and hugging on mariachis.

There was this watering hole that was Mexican-from-Mexico in clientele back when Shrub took the White House. There was an unskilled Mexican laborer who had his head down on the table from whatever he did that workday. On the t.v. the news showed Shrub at the White House celebrating Mexican Independence Day with mariachis, and Shrub hacked in Spanish, “Mi casa es su casa,” and the formerly exhausted Mexican JOLTED his head upwards to drill his eyes with LOVING fervor onto the t.v. and said with supposedly requited love, “Oi lo que dijo: Mi casa es su casa.” ("Did you HEAR what he said?!1 'My house is YOUR house!1' &quot Yaaas, that White House just BELONGED to that Mexican!


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http://gawker.com/jeb-pronounced-heb-bush-registered-as-a-hispanic-vo-1695935280
[font size=5]Jeb (Pronounced "Heb&quot Bush Registered as a Hispanic Voter in 2009[/font]

There are 14.7 million registered Hispanic voters in the United States—but only one of them is the WASP scion one of our country's foremost conservative dynasties. Yes: John Ellis "Jeb" Bush, the Connecticut-bred president's son and president's brother (and distant relative to the actual British monarchy) is—according to his voter registration form—Hispanic.

The New York Times obtained the 2009 voter application in which the potential presidential candidate inexplicably confused himself with the demographic he'd likely be counting on in the 2016 election. Inexplicably even for his own spokeswoman, who "could offer no explanation for the characterization."

This might have just been an accident—or, as Jeb might say, un accidente. His wife Columba, after all, was born in Mexico, and he himself speaks fluent Spanish.

Then again, he has absolutely no Hispanic ancestry. ¡Que vergüenza!

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At least make him pay the fine for lying.

the "false" information would have to be provided "willfully" -- in other words, the statute governing the provision of false information is not a strict liability statute. The likelihood that a judge or jury could be convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that checking the box marked hispanic was willful, rather than inadvertent, is probably nil.

It should be noted that strictly applying the false information requirement not only could catch innocent voters, it also could put those who run voter registration drives at risk of being held responsible for submitting, on behalf of voters, registration forms with inadvertent mistakes.

It's embarassing for Bush and we should enjoy it as such. But acting as if it's a criminal offense is pretty silly.

We look foolish going after this IMHO

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...folks are crossing the line when they want to throw voters in prison for a felony simply because the voter didn't answer the optional race/ethnicity self-identification question to the satisfaction of others.

That will never be applied to any Bush, and can only be viewed as an attack on ordinary voters.

If my wife, for example, were to answer that she is Black, she could be prosecuted by the identity police under this theory for being Hispanic and thrown in jail for years.

This is not right, and I can't figure out why a Democrat would support such laws. They seem specifically designed to scare voters away from the polls for fear of self-identifying in a manner that others don't like.

He is a Bush after all, and given the level of intelligence demonstrated by the Bush clan he may not have understood the question.

Besides, if Daddy Bush did not go to jail for his treason, and Junior did not go to jail for war crimes, why would you expect Jeb to get sanctioned?

OTHERS have. I only said, 'I am Marie of Roumania!!!'

but I do stand by the Bush Legacy/Bush idiocy defense.

Then nobody would care.

...would be sentenced to a multi-year prison sentence, also.

It's all about scaring voters away from the polls with the threat of prison sentences over their race/ethnicity.

and debasing the language so that the GOP can continue to mislead voters.

(same guy that did @MexicanMittRomney

https://twitter.com/yebbush