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http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/las-vegas/suicide-m-resort-blamed-loss-free-buffet-life
The day before he put a gun to his head and killed himself at an M Resort buffet on Easter Sunday, a Las Vegas man filled a box with his complaints against the resort and its employees and mailed it to the Las Vegas Review-Journal.
In his final, angry message to the world, delivered to the newspaper Monday, John Noble blamed his suicide on depression caused after the resort awarded him free meals at the buffet for life then banned him from the property for harassing some of the women working there.
Today, I end my life due to the M Resort Spa Casino and its employees, Noble wrote in one of two suicide notes he included with an obsessively detailed dossier on the people he blamed for destroying his life.
Nobles hand-bound stack of notes and documents stretches on for more than 270 pages and includes a table of contents, photographs and a DVD.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)All you can eat buffet? I have heard it all.
jmowreader
(50,566 posts)He committed suicide because they wouldn't let him keep on harassing the women who worked there.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)jmowreader
(50,566 posts)The people who had to watch him blow his brains out while they tried to eat their Easter meals have the issues now.
Hekate
(90,846 posts)... and rather mitigates any sympathy I might have had for him.
Go Vols
(5,902 posts)fucked up on any day.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Tom Ripley
(4,945 posts)Nicely done
WillowTree
(5,325 posts)In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)A-Schwarzenegger
(15,596 posts)DawgHouse
(4,019 posts)herding cats
(19,568 posts)My brother and I were about (7 feet) away from him, but my grandma was about two steps from him, the Silvestri Middle School student told the Review-Journal. We heard this loud boom, and it sounded like a balloon that popped but it was too loud to be that. I was in shock I couldnt think, hear, or feel. It was like my senses just stopped working.
Sierra said she saw the man lying on the ground with a pool of blood surrounding his salt-and-pepper hair.
Families must have been terrified, she said. Kids shouldnt have to experience that, no one should.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)Hekate
(90,846 posts)Families must have been terrified, she said. Kids shouldnt have to experience that, no one should.
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)I do feel bad for the witnesses.
Canoe52
(2,949 posts)But at least he didn't take out a bunch of people first!
Initech
(100,107 posts)Thankfully it didn't end with him taking the whole restaurant out with him.
Quantess
(27,630 posts)It would have been an interesting read, I'm sure. A short story would suffice.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Quantess
(27,630 posts)I don't know.... I am halfway kidding that I would actually want to read it, but I'm sure it would be a bizzarre read.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,169 posts).
woolldog
(8,791 posts)that there are some on here who would stoop so low as to find humor in and crack jokes about suicide and mental illness.
Disgusting.
A-Schwarzenegger
(15,596 posts)thank you.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)to matter to at least those on the Left, when a suffering human being felt driven to such an extreme act.
I'm no longer of the opinion that 'our side' is any better than the 'other side'.
I hope his family, if he has anyone who loved him, does not read the comments on internet forums like this.
RIP to that poor, troubled soul!
At least he isn't hurting anymore.
And to the witnesses, I hope they can find a way to deal with they saw.
eShirl
(18,505 posts)one being dark humor.
AuntPatsy
(9,904 posts)Quantess
(27,630 posts)Last edited Tue Apr 7, 2015, 07:14 PM - Edit history (2)
Please point us to the "joke" in question.
You might be possibly talking about me and my lighthearted comment about this guy who happened to write a lot about his (presumably somewhat) odd life before committing suicide.
Edit to add: Oh you mean "he must have had a lot on his plate" was a terrible joke.
What kind of fucking mall-suburbia, based on reality-celebrity shows, full-of-false-fantasies nonsense about what life entails, does one have to have drilled into their brain, to think that some mild humor about death is shameful?!
dhill926
(16,370 posts)but laugh I did ..
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Quantess
(27,630 posts)I'm not seeing your comment as sexual at all.
Edit: Nor as a joke.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)It was a response to "he had a lot on his plate". It is an ordinary instruction commonly posted at buffets and I cannot imagine why on earth it would make anyone think of anything sexual at all.
Quantess
(27,630 posts)I did not actually see a joke, sexual or otherwise.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)In this context, the expression has a dual meaning.
It is a figure of speech which usually means that one is dealing with overwhelming issues.
Here, a buffet is involved, thus "he must have had a lot on his plate" has a literal meaning in reference to eating at a buffet - i.e. People at buffets often put a lot of food on their plates.
The sensation of "humor" is often derived from a moment of ambiguity as the mind perceives two meanings in rapid succession on both a literal and figurative level.
For example, a man walks into a hardware store and says "I would like to buy a mousetrap, and please hurry because I have to catch a bus."
The shopkeeper says, "I'm sorry but we don't have traps that large."
That is an example of the type of dual-meaning ambiguity.
My response - the buffet rule - is literally the buffet rule, but also in this context is that one should avoid obsessive behavior, which this individual appears to have exhibited.
johnnysad
(93 posts)JI7
(89,276 posts)angry over not being able to harass employees ?
jonno99
(2,620 posts)tularetom
(23,664 posts)Doesn't "banned" mean you can't go in there to eat, harass female employees, or blow your brains out?
Egnever
(21,506 posts)The M isn't all that busy most times. Maybe they had a larger crowd than normal and they were slipping.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)And as long as no one recognizes you, and then bothers to report you to security, you'll be able to wander freely.
Tanuki
(14,923 posts)didn't say anything about how he came to have it.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Yet still had access to a gun.
davidsilver
(87 posts)CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)Rev it up DU. Didn't have enough fun with the suicidal pilot so now's your chance to really turn on the insensitivity machine.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)I'm not going to make jokes about him, but it doesn't particularly bother me that someone else would. This guy was a narcissist who harassed employees and then blamed them when he got bounced from the place, including posting their pictures and personal information on facebook and then blew his brains out in front of children. Andreas Lubitz is a mass murderer who killed 149 men, women, and children. I don't think suicide is funny, but I really don't feel either of these two people deserve much consideration. They certainly didn't give it to anyone else.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)While you apparently do not believe that mental illness is a "thing", I gather if he had contracted syphilis at some point - which also causes irrational behavior - you would have the same lack of sympathy.
If that is the route you take, then you might as well feel the same way for the sufferer of any physical disease as well.
If you've ever known anyone with a severe head injury or brain tumor, how did you react to the changes in their personality?
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Thanks for your highly informed medical opinion baseless conjecture.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)You seem to be the omniscient one here.
"Baseless conjecture" is ruling out a possibility on no evidence whatsoever.
YOU are the one who has jumped to a conclusion about someone's moral condition, when you have ZERO relevant information.
So, tell me. What is the evidence that leads you to such certainty?
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)For all we know both of them are descended from royalty and have 24 toes between them. Certainly can't rule that out, so we must just assume it to be so.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)They are not low probability circumstances, Major, and your comparison is flawed.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)The guy kept a detailed notebook of personal slights against him, indicative of an obsessive disorder.
But, no, couldn't have been a mental disorder. Let's just throw out one of the paltry pieces of fact we have.
AuntPatsy
(9,904 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Thanks for your highly informed NPD diagnosis, Dr Nikon.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Brilliant!
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Mental disorders and organic brain disorders are not some kind of rare or unlikely events (pace your "royalty with 24 toes" thing).
A significant portion of the population will, at one time or another, be afflicted with one.
What you have done is reached a conclusion.
I don't know why the guy did what he did. You profess to know. You have made a judgment.
Your profession is based on having implicitly ruled out circumstances which are not at all unusual.
Yes, in order to make a judgment, as opposed to reserving it, you must make baseless assumptions.
Saying that "X or Y are competing and likely causes of something" is RESERVING judgment.
Saying "X is the cause, and Y is your baseless assumption" is ruling something out with no basis, particularly when Y has a significant probability of being the cause.
You are the one who is certain here.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)If your logic made any sense we could simply assume Hitler just wasn't that bad of a guy because his body was burned beyond recognition and we'll never know if he had some kind of physical or mental disorder that drove him to murder millions.
There's no shortage of people who feel the need to harm others when they take themselves out of this world. Certainly we could assume all sorts of baseless nonsense to try and apologize for their fucked up behavior. Well at least you can. I'm not playing.
Cheers!
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)The guy obviously had an obsessive disorder, based on the evidence.
That is the most likely explanation.
But attempting to apply a rule of logic to what is a moral judgment is a bizarre thing in the first place.
We know an awful lot about Hitler's biography and behavior over a period of years.
You know zilch about this guy, his life, or his mental or physical condition. But, again, the only thing we do know is that he obsessively took notes on perceived personal slights, which is NOT NORMAL.
So, under Occam's Razor, you throw out the facts and go with your gut. Got it.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Well there you have it. A statement like that really tells me all I need to know.
Cheers!
Quantess
(27,630 posts)Last edited Tue Apr 7, 2015, 11:01 PM - Edit history (1)
Uhh... maybe post 21 video clip. I'm not going to watch it tho.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Sucks
derby378
(30,252 posts)Geez. If I won free buffets for life, all I'd have to do is save the casino owner from an assassination attempt, and I get a free suite for life. Then I can live life the Don McLean way.
Enrique
(27,461 posts)that's the last thing a casino needs.
stone space
(6,498 posts)hunter
(38,334 posts)... even the most nastiest, the most wretched misfits of our society still deserve life.
Life is a the rarest opportunity in this universe.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)Mental health experts say high-profile, public suicides like this one are rare and troubling, because they often receive media coverage that can glamorize self-destructive behavior and lead to copycat deaths.
The next vulnerable person thinks this is a good option. Its a very real safety concern, said Misty Vaughan Allen, state suicide prevention coordinator for the Nevada Division of Public and Behavioral Health.
She said what happened in this case is unusual. Only about one-third of people who kill themselves leave behind so much as a note, let alone send notice to the media.