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Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 06:55 PM Apr 2015

Man who won "free buffet meals for life" commits suicide after being banned for harassing women



http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/las-vegas/suicide-m-resort-blamed-loss-free-buffet-life

The day before he put a gun to his head and killed himself at an M Resort buffet on Easter Sunday, a Las Vegas man filled a box with his complaints against the resort and its employees and mailed it to the Las Vegas Review-Journal.

In his final, angry message to the world, delivered to the newspaper Monday, John Noble blamed his suicide on depression caused after the resort awarded him free meals at the buffet for life then banned him from the property for harassing some of the women working there.

“Today, I end my life due to the M Resort Spa Casino and its employees,” Noble wrote in one of two suicide notes he included with an obsessively detailed dossier on the people he blamed for destroying his life.

Noble’s hand-bound stack of notes and documents stretches on for more than 270 pages and includes a table of contents, photographs and a DVD.
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Man who won "free buffet meals for life" commits suicide after being banned for harassing women (Original Post) Miles Archer Apr 2015 OP
You've gotta wonder what's in the water there KamaAina Apr 2015 #1
Gosh commit suicide because you don't get your free 7.99 yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #8
No, not quite jmowreader Apr 2015 #9
Oh that's better. Lol. He has issues that we are not privy to yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #10
Had, anyway jmowreader Apr 2015 #11
I'd say he's had his revenge on the human race. That was an awful, awful thing to do... Hekate Apr 2015 #16
That would be pretty Go Vols Apr 2015 #25
That is detailed on p. 326 jberryhill Apr 2015 #22
Dammit! I gave up at page 323! KamaAina Apr 2015 #47
I really did laugh out loud Tom Ripley Apr 2015 #58
Human beings are such fragile creatures....... WillowTree Apr 2015 #2
It really is sad. In_The_Wind Apr 2015 #7
yes A-Schwarzenegger Apr 2015 #27
It is tragic. DawgHouse Apr 2015 #56
. herding cats Apr 2015 #3
What an incredibly articulate 13-year-old. ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #15
That's a very grown-up little girl Hekate Apr 2015 #17
I'm glad he didn't try to hurt anyone else, at least. cyberswede Apr 2015 #4
The guy had problems, Canoe52 Apr 2015 #5
Yeah this is a fucked up story on multiple levels. Initech Apr 2015 #12
He should have written an autobiography before he died. Quantess Apr 2015 #6
270 pages? I think he did! alcibiades_mystery Apr 2015 #14
All it needs now is someone to publish it! Quantess Apr 2015 #20
He must've had a lot on his plate. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2015 #13
I'm saddened, but not incredibly surprised woolldog Apr 2015 #18
I have to say A-Schwarzenegger Apr 2015 #26
I was just thinking the same thing as I read through this thread. A human being is dead, it used sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #30
Really? Because humans cope with these things in many different ways eShirl Apr 2015 #36
Thank you AuntPatsy Apr 2015 #54
Before your post #18, where did you see "jokes"? Quantess Apr 2015 #57
I hate myself for laughing at this…. dhill926 Apr 2015 #19
Take what you want, but eat what you take jberryhill Apr 2015 #23
Is that supposed to be a sexual joke? Quantess Apr 2015 #61
Uh, no Dr. Freud jberryhill Apr 2015 #63
I was wondering why Wooldog (post 18) thought people were joking. Quantess Apr 2015 #65
The expression "he must have had a lot on his plate" jberryhill Apr 2015 #66
ohmy johnnysad Apr 2015 #21
did he consider the women working there as part of the free buffet ? JI7 Apr 2015 #24
Very sad all around... jonno99 Apr 2015 #32
If he'd been banned from the casino, WTF was he doing there in the first place? tularetom Apr 2015 #28
Yea very odd that Egnever Apr 2015 #37
It's not like they ID everyone entering. Really not that hard to just walk in. jeff47 Apr 2015 #53
Too bad that someone so obviously disturbed had access to a gun. The article Tanuki Apr 2015 #29
He spent time in a psychiatric ward Major Nikon Apr 2015 #34
Very sad. My heart goes out to his family. I wish he'd have gotten help in time. davidsilver Apr 2015 #31
Oh goodie. An opportunity to make jokes about a sad depressed man. CBGLuthier Apr 2015 #33
He doesn't deserve sympathy Major Nikon Apr 2015 #35
There are a number of organic brain diseases which cause irrational behavior jberryhill Apr 2015 #38
My aren't we informed and observant Major Nikon Apr 2015 #39
It is "baseless conjecture" to rule one out jberryhill Apr 2015 #40
Sure Major Nikon Apr 2015 #42
Yeah, because brain disorders or mental illness are so fantastically rare jberryhill Apr 2015 #49
...aside from which jberryhill Apr 2015 #50
Much needed .. AuntPatsy Apr 2015 #55
My aren't we informed and observant!! AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #44
So I'm making baseless assumptions because I don't embrace baseless assumptions Major Nikon Apr 2015 #46
No, and you are smart enough to understand this jberryhill Apr 2015 #48
Were it not for Occam's razor you might have something Major Nikon Apr 2015 #51
Not sure you know how to use that razor jberryhill Apr 2015 #59
"But attempting to apply a rule of logic to what is a moral judgment is a bizarre thing" Major Nikon Apr 2015 #67
Who made jokes? Quantess Apr 2015 #60
Mental illness AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #41
Moral of the story: If you win free buffets for life, don't piss off the restaurant derby378 Apr 2015 #43
he put a curse on a casino Enrique Apr 2015 #45
Damn! Looks like he was banned just in the nick of time. (nt) stone space Apr 2015 #52
I'm sad in some ways... hunter Apr 2015 #62
on the publicness of this suicide. kwassa Apr 2015 #64
 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
8. Gosh commit suicide because you don't get your free 7.99
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 07:36 PM
Apr 2015

All you can eat buffet? I have heard it all.

jmowreader

(50,566 posts)
9. No, not quite
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 07:44 PM
Apr 2015

He committed suicide because they wouldn't let him keep on harassing the women who worked there.

jmowreader

(50,566 posts)
11. Had, anyway
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 07:48 PM
Apr 2015

The people who had to watch him blow his brains out while they tried to eat their Easter meals have the issues now.

Hekate

(90,846 posts)
16. I'd say he's had his revenge on the human race. That was an awful, awful thing to do...
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 07:59 PM
Apr 2015

... and rather mitigates any sympathy I might have had for him.

herding cats

(19,568 posts)
3. .
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 07:14 PM
Apr 2015
Sierra Abanilla, 13, was with her family in line at the buffet when the shot rang out.

“My brother and I were about (7 feet) away from him, but my grandma was about two steps from him,” the Silvestri Middle School student told the Review-Journal. “We heard this loud boom, and it sounded like a balloon that popped but it was too loud to be that. I was in shock … I couldn’t think, hear, or feel. It was like my senses just stopped working.”

Sierra said she saw the man lying on the ground with a pool of blood surrounding his salt-and-pepper hair.

“Families must have been terrified,” she said. “Kids shouldn’t have to experience that, no one should.”


Hekate

(90,846 posts)
17. That's a very grown-up little girl
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 08:01 PM
Apr 2015

“Families must have been terrified,” she said. “Kids shouldn’t have to experience that, no one should.”

Initech

(100,107 posts)
12. Yeah this is a fucked up story on multiple levels.
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 07:49 PM
Apr 2015

Thankfully it didn't end with him taking the whole restaurant out with him.

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
6. He should have written an autobiography before he died.
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 07:16 PM
Apr 2015

It would have been an interesting read, I'm sure. A short story would suffice.

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
20. All it needs now is someone to publish it!
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 08:08 PM
Apr 2015

I don't know.... I am halfway kidding that I would actually want to read it, but I'm sure it would be a bizzarre read.

 

woolldog

(8,791 posts)
18. I'm saddened, but not incredibly surprised
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 08:05 PM
Apr 2015

that there are some on here who would stoop so low as to find humor in and crack jokes about suicide and mental illness.

Disgusting.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
30. I was just thinking the same thing as I read through this thread. A human being is dead, it used
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 12:53 AM
Apr 2015

to matter to at least those on the Left, when a suffering human being felt driven to such an extreme act.

I'm no longer of the opinion that 'our side' is any better than the 'other side'.

I hope his family, if he has anyone who loved him, does not read the comments on internet forums like this.

RIP to that poor, troubled soul!

At least he isn't hurting anymore.

And to the witnesses, I hope they can find a way to deal with they saw.

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
57. Before your post #18, where did you see "jokes"?
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 04:55 PM
Apr 2015

Last edited Tue Apr 7, 2015, 07:14 PM - Edit history (2)

Please point us to the "joke" in question.

You might be possibly talking about me and my lighthearted comment about this guy who happened to write a lot about his (presumably somewhat) odd life before committing suicide.

Edit to add: Oh you mean "he must have had a lot on his plate" was a terrible joke.

What kind of fucking mall-suburbia, based on reality-celebrity shows, full-of-false-fantasies nonsense about what life entails, does one have to have drilled into their brain, to think that some mild humor about death is shameful?!

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
61. Is that supposed to be a sexual joke?
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 07:24 PM
Apr 2015

I'm not seeing your comment as sexual at all.

Edit: Nor as a joke.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
63. Uh, no Dr. Freud
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 07:49 PM
Apr 2015

It was a response to "he had a lot on his plate". It is an ordinary instruction commonly posted at buffets and I cannot imagine why on earth it would make anyone think of anything sexual at all.

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
65. I was wondering why Wooldog (post 18) thought people were joking.
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 08:57 PM
Apr 2015

I did not actually see a joke, sexual or otherwise.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
66. The expression "he must have had a lot on his plate"
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 09:18 PM
Apr 2015

In this context, the expression has a dual meaning.

It is a figure of speech which usually means that one is dealing with overwhelming issues.

Here, a buffet is involved, thus "he must have had a lot on his plate" has a literal meaning in reference to eating at a buffet - i.e. People at buffets often put a lot of food on their plates.

The sensation of "humor" is often derived from a moment of ambiguity as the mind perceives two meanings in rapid succession on both a literal and figurative level.

For example, a man walks into a hardware store and says "I would like to buy a mousetrap, and please hurry because I have to catch a bus."

The shopkeeper says, "I'm sorry but we don't have traps that large."

That is an example of the type of dual-meaning ambiguity.

My response - the buffet rule - is literally the buffet rule, but also in this context is that one should avoid obsessive behavior, which this individual appears to have exhibited.

JI7

(89,276 posts)
24. did he consider the women working there as part of the free buffet ?
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 12:27 AM
Apr 2015

angry over not being able to harass employees ?

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
28. If he'd been banned from the casino, WTF was he doing there in the first place?
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 12:42 AM
Apr 2015

Doesn't "banned" mean you can't go in there to eat, harass female employees, or blow your brains out?

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
37. Yea very odd that
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 04:00 AM
Apr 2015

The M isn't all that busy most times. Maybe they had a larger crowd than normal and they were slipping.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
53. It's not like they ID everyone entering. Really not that hard to just walk in.
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 12:51 PM
Apr 2015

And as long as no one recognizes you, and then bothers to report you to security, you'll be able to wander freely.

Tanuki

(14,923 posts)
29. Too bad that someone so obviously disturbed had access to a gun. The article
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 12:45 AM
Apr 2015

didn't say anything about how he came to have it.

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
33. Oh goodie. An opportunity to make jokes about a sad depressed man.
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 02:36 AM
Apr 2015

Rev it up DU. Didn't have enough fun with the suicidal pilot so now's your chance to really turn on the insensitivity machine.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
35. He doesn't deserve sympathy
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 03:49 AM
Apr 2015

I'm not going to make jokes about him, but it doesn't particularly bother me that someone else would. This guy was a narcissist who harassed employees and then blamed them when he got bounced from the place, including posting their pictures and personal information on facebook and then blew his brains out in front of children. Andreas Lubitz is a mass murderer who killed 149 men, women, and children. I don't think suicide is funny, but I really don't feel either of these two people deserve much consideration. They certainly didn't give it to anyone else.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
38. There are a number of organic brain diseases which cause irrational behavior
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 07:11 AM
Apr 2015

While you apparently do not believe that mental illness is a "thing", I gather if he had contracted syphilis at some point - which also causes irrational behavior - you would have the same lack of sympathy.

If that is the route you take, then you might as well feel the same way for the sufferer of any physical disease as well.

If you've ever known anyone with a severe head injury or brain tumor, how did you react to the changes in their personality?

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
39. My aren't we informed and observant
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 11:28 AM
Apr 2015

Thanks for your highly informed medical opinion baseless conjecture.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
40. It is "baseless conjecture" to rule one out
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 11:30 AM
Apr 2015

You seem to be the omniscient one here.

"Baseless conjecture" is ruling out a possibility on no evidence whatsoever.

YOU are the one who has jumped to a conclusion about someone's moral condition, when you have ZERO relevant information.

So, tell me. What is the evidence that leads you to such certainty?

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
42. Sure
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 11:38 AM
Apr 2015

For all we know both of them are descended from royalty and have 24 toes between them. Certainly can't rule that out, so we must just assume it to be so.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
49. Yeah, because brain disorders or mental illness are so fantastically rare
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 12:30 PM
Apr 2015

They are not low probability circumstances, Major, and your comparison is flawed.
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
50. ...aside from which
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 12:36 PM
Apr 2015

The guy kept a detailed notebook of personal slights against him, indicative of an obsessive disorder.

But, no, couldn't have been a mental disorder. Let's just throw out one of the paltry pieces of fact we have.
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
48. No, and you are smart enough to understand this
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 12:29 PM
Apr 2015

Mental disorders and organic brain disorders are not some kind of rare or unlikely events (pace your "royalty with 24 toes" thing).

A significant portion of the population will, at one time or another, be afflicted with one.

What you have done is reached a conclusion.

I don't know why the guy did what he did. You profess to know. You have made a judgment.

Your profession is based on having implicitly ruled out circumstances which are not at all unusual.

Yes, in order to make a judgment, as opposed to reserving it, you must make baseless assumptions.

Saying that "X or Y are competing and likely causes of something" is RESERVING judgment.

Saying "X is the cause, and Y is your baseless assumption" is ruling something out with no basis, particularly when Y has a significant probability of being the cause.

You are the one who is certain here.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
51. Were it not for Occam's razor you might have something
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 12:45 PM
Apr 2015

If your logic made any sense we could simply assume Hitler just wasn't that bad of a guy because his body was burned beyond recognition and we'll never know if he had some kind of physical or mental disorder that drove him to murder millions.

There's no shortage of people who feel the need to harm others when they take themselves out of this world. Certainly we could assume all sorts of baseless nonsense to try and apologize for their fucked up behavior. Well at least you can. I'm not playing.

Cheers!

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
59. Not sure you know how to use that razor
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 05:08 PM
Apr 2015

The guy obviously had an obsessive disorder, based on the evidence.

That is the most likely explanation.

But attempting to apply a rule of logic to what is a moral judgment is a bizarre thing in the first place.

We know an awful lot about Hitler's biography and behavior over a period of years.

You know zilch about this guy, his life, or his mental or physical condition. But, again, the only thing we do know is that he obsessively took notes on perceived personal slights, which is NOT NORMAL.

So, under Occam's Razor, you throw out the facts and go with your gut. Got it.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
67. "But attempting to apply a rule of logic to what is a moral judgment is a bizarre thing"
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 02:22 AM
Apr 2015

Well there you have it. A statement like that really tells me all I need to know.

Cheers!

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
60. Who made jokes?
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 07:20 PM
Apr 2015

Last edited Tue Apr 7, 2015, 11:01 PM - Edit history (1)

Uhh... maybe post 21 video clip. I'm not going to watch it tho.

derby378

(30,252 posts)
43. Moral of the story: If you win free buffets for life, don't piss off the restaurant
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 11:43 AM
Apr 2015

Geez. If I won free buffets for life, all I'd have to do is save the casino owner from an assassination attempt, and I get a free suite for life. Then I can live life the Don McLean way.

hunter

(38,334 posts)
62. I'm sad in some ways...
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 07:38 PM
Apr 2015

... even the most nastiest, the most wretched misfits of our society still deserve life.

Life is a the rarest opportunity in this universe.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
64. on the publicness of this suicide.
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 08:17 PM
Apr 2015
Mental health experts say high-profile, public suicides like this one are rare and troubling, because they often receive media coverage that can glamorize self-destructive behavior and lead to copycat deaths.

“The next vulnerable person thinks this is a good option. It’s a very real safety concern,” said Misty Vaughan Allen, state suicide prevention coordinator for the Nevada Division of Public and Behavioral Health.

She said what happened in this case is unusual. Only about one-third of people who kill themselves leave behind so much as a note, let alone send notice to the media.
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