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Behind the Aegis

(53,980 posts)
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 01:49 AM Apr 2015

Dutch police investigate 'burn the Jews' anti-Semitic chants at FC Utrect vs Ajax football match


Dutch police are investigating reports of football fans chanting anti-Semitic slogans including calls for Jews to be burned and sent “to the gas chambers” during a match at the weekend.

Videos have emerged online from FC Utrecht’s 1-1 draw with Ajax in which a group of fans can clearly be heard shouting the anti-Semitic songs and clapping.

According to Dutch media reports, the chants went on for several minutes and included a common refrain of: “Hamas, Hamas, Jews to the gas.”

Another chant, which was apparently filmed by someone in the stands and posted to YouTube, declared: “My father was in the commandos, my mother was in the SS, together they burned Jews, because Jews burn the best.”

The Dutch football association, the KNVB, has denounced the chants as “reprehensible and disgusting” and said it was currently investigating.

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Dutch police investigate 'burn the Jews' anti-Semitic chants at FC Utrect vs Ajax football match (Original Post) Behind the Aegis Apr 2015 OP
Throw the Jews Down the Well. Bonobo Apr 2015 #1
..... merrily Apr 2015 #2
Disgusting and unfortunately not uncommon in Holland LittleBlue Apr 2015 #3
There is unfortunately a certain overlap in Europe between football fandom and racism LeftishBrit Apr 2015 #4
Thanks for the additional info. Behind the Aegis Apr 2015 #5
"Let There Be Peace On Earth" William769 Apr 2015 #6
European soccer chants can get pretty disturbing. DanTex Apr 2015 #7
And we've got a DUer promoting PressTV as a reputable source in one thread... SidDithers Apr 2015 #8
There's a back story to this. It's been going on for a while. KamaAina Apr 2015 #9
 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
3. Disgusting and unfortunately not uncommon in Holland
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 02:34 AM
Apr 2015

Seems to be numerous reports every year about racist chants in Europe, with Dutch football clubs among the worst offenders.

Hopefully cameras can identify the offenders and they get life bans from the club.

LeftishBrit

(41,209 posts)
4. There is unfortunately a certain overlap in Europe between football fandom and racism
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 03:46 AM
Apr 2015

Racist parties and organizations in the UK, such as the EDL and BNP, derive a portion of their support from the football-hooligan base.

Of course, most football fans are not hooligans or racists, but there is probably more of this with regard to football than other sports.

Football players and supporters have sought to combat this through the 'Kick Racism Out of Football' campaign:

http://www.kickitout.org/

As regards anti-Semitism specifically, the Dutch fans are probably among the worst, but it goes on everywhere. In the UK it is often directed against the Spurs team and their supporters: there is a historical association between this team and the London Jewish community, though like all teams nowadays, it's pretty international in composition these days and mostly non-Jewish. Recently, West Ham fans were major offenders in this respect:

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2012/nov/26/west-ham-antisemitic-chants-sickening

Behind the Aegis

(53,980 posts)
5. Thanks for the additional info.
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 11:58 AM
Apr 2015

I have only (mainly) heard about the issues with the UK (on occasion Italy). I had no idea how bad it was in the Netherlands.

William769

(55,147 posts)
6. "Let There Be Peace On Earth"
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 12:04 PM
Apr 2015

"Let there be peace on earth
And let it begin with me.
Let there be peace on earth
The peace that was meant to be.
With God as our father
Brothers all are we.
Let me walk with my brother
In perfect harmony.

Let peace begin with me
Let this be the moment now.
With every step i take
Let this be my solemn vow.
To take each moment
And live each moment
With peace eternally.
Let ther be peace on earth,
And let it begin with me.

Let there be peace on earth
And let it begin with me.
Let there be peace on earth
The peace that was meant to be.
With god as our father
Brothers all are we.
Let me walk with my brother
In perfect harmony.

Let peace begin with me
Let this be the moment now.
With every step I take
Let this be my solemn vow.
To take each moment
And live each moment
In peace eternally.
Let there be peace on earth
And let it begin with me. "

My Church sings this hymn every Sunday without fail and as we are singing we greet each other shake hands & hug the person next to us whether we know that person or not.

And let it begin with me.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
7. European soccer chants can get pretty disturbing.
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 12:06 PM
Apr 2015

At one point a few years ago they actually had to suspend a game in Italy between Milan and Roma, two of the top teams, because the Roma fans were chanting racists slurs at Mario Balotelli, who is black.

Don't know why, but the chanting gets ugly.

It also gets violent sometimes, although I've heard it's not as bad as it used to be.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
8. And we've got a DUer promoting PressTV as a reputable source in one thread...
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 12:09 PM
Apr 2015

and subtle Holocaust denial from a DUer in another thread.

Sadly, DU appears to be not much better.

Sid

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
9. There's a back story to this. It's been going on for a while.
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 12:31 PM
Apr 2015

Ajax, an Amsterdam club, has been nicknamed "the Jews" for decades.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AFC_Ajax#Jewish_connection

Historically, Ajax was popularly seen as having "Jewish roots". Although not an official Jewish club like the city's WV-HEDW, Ajax has had a Jewish image since the 1930s when the home stadium was located next to a Jewish neighbourhood of Amsterdam-Oost and opponents saw many supporters walking through the Nieuwmarkt/Waterloopleinbuurt (de Jodenhoek) to get to the stadium. The city of Amsterdam was historically referred to as a Mokum city, Mokum (מקום ) being the Yiddish word for "place" or "safe haven", and as anti-Semitic chants and name calling developed and intensified at the old De Meer Stadion from frustrated supporters of opposing clubs, Ajax fans (few of whom are actually Jewish) responded by embracing Ajax's "Jewish" identity: calling themselves "super Jews", chanting "Jews, Jews" ("Joden, Joden&quot at games, and adopting Jewish symbols such as the Star of David and the Israeli flag.

This Jewish imagery eventually became a central part of Ajax fans' culture. At one point ringtones of "Hava Nagila", a Hebrew folk song, could be downloaded from the club's official website. Beginning in the 1980s, fans of Ajax's rivals escalated their antisemitic rhetoric, chanting slogans like "Hamas, Hamas/Jews to the gas" ("Hamas, hamas, joden aan het gas&quot , hissing to imitate the flow of gas, giving Nazi salutes, etc. The eventual result was that many (genuinely) Jewish Ajax fans stopped going to games.[102]

In the 2000s the club began trying to persuade fans to drop their Jewish image. In 2013 a documentary titled Superjews was released by NTR and Viewpoint Productions which premiered at the International Documentary Film Festival Amsterdam (IDFA). The film was directed by Nirit Peled, an Israeli living in Amsterdam, and an independent film maker who offers a very personal view into the game, the lore of Ajax and its relation to Judaism from both the supporters as well as from a Jewish perspective.




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